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Post by Tinpot on Jul 5, 2023 6:34:37 GMT 1
3 other players, but two of those are kids who are still establishing themselves and the other one had a nasty injury last season (and may be preferred at CB anyway). I wasn't bothered when he left, but I wouldn't have been horrified if we'd kept him either. True, but to me that just reinforces the need to get an improvement in that department. Someone who can help bring the youngsters on and make the position a competitive one, not just a ‘steady’ option because they’re available on the cheap. This squad was heavily criticised last year for its lack of quality, and rightly so at times, so it is just a bit worrying that we can’t improve on those players who were out of contract and let go. I’ll be happy if we now sign a decent striker and a midfielder though, two positions we definitely need to invest wisely in. To me it says we had the opportunity to shore up an area of the squad cheaply with someone reliable (albeit unspectacular). How much of the budget would you spend on a new left back when we have a Japanese international and two promising youngsters breaking through in that position? Ruffels offers an alternative, should the other 3 either not work out or be utilised elsewhere. Wouldn't that budget be better spent on getting a better striker? Or a better winger? Or a better central midfielder? |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 5, 2023 6:45:39 GMT 1
True, but to me that just reinforces the need to get an improvement in that department. Someone who can help bring the youngsters on and make the position a competitive one, not just a ‘steady’ option because they’re available on the cheap. This squad was heavily criticised last year for its lack of quality, and rightly so at times, so it is just a bit worrying that we can’t improve on those players who were out of contract and let go. I’ll be happy if we now sign a decent striker and a midfielder though, two positions we definitely need to invest wisely in. To me it says we had the opportunity to shore up an area of the squad cheaply with someone reliable (albeit unspectacular). How much of the budget would you spend on a new left back when we have a Japanese international and two promising youngsters breaking through in that position? Ruffels offers an alternative, should the other 3 either not work out or be utilised elsewhere. Wouldn't that budget be better spent on getting a better striker? Or a better winger? Or a better central midfielder? Time will tell if those players don’t arrive but to conclude that they won’t be coming in now because Ruffels has signed seems premature to me |
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Post by mosher on Jul 5, 2023 11:30:40 GMT 1
Funny how all these players seem to want to play for Warnock. I wonder how long Pritchard's cyst would have lasted if NW was manager at the time  |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 5, 2023 11:47:25 GMT 1
Funny how all these players seem to want to play for Warnock. I wonder how long Pritchard's cyst would have lasted if NW was manager at the time :D He would probably have got Ronnie to drop kick him into the kilner bank… That’s the kilner bank, as in drop kick him over the stand… Anyway, we shall have the pleasure of booing him and his cyst in a few months… |
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Post by incognito on Jul 5, 2023 13:54:33 GMT 1
A lot of water under the bridge since we purportedly beat Nottingham Forest to his signature in 2021...
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 5, 2023 14:28:07 GMT 1
A lot of water under the bridge since we purportedly beat Nottingham Forest to his signature in 2021... Another reason to hate the Tricky Twigs! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 17:55:00 GMT 1
Ruffels is 29 with 250+ league appearances in his pocket - is he really going to improve ? And let's be honest here, he was woeful during his time here bar half a dozen games under Warnock Why was he woeful? He played a lot of games last season under two very poor coaches and one very good one, with frequently altered starting 11s. His 2 goals against QPR got us 3 points on the road. He was always going to struggle filling Toffolo's shoes but I don't think he was poor. Warnock got him and the players around him playing to their strengths in an organised formation. We have young lads coming through, who I think will start more games, but his experience, and personality from what folk have said, will be a real plus. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 5, 2023 17:57:54 GMT 1
And let's be honest here, he was woeful during his time here bar half a dozen games under Warnock Why was he woeful? He played a lot of games last season under two very poor coaches and one very good one, with frequently altered starting 11s. His 2 goals against QPR got us 3 points on the road. He was always going to struggle filling Toffolo's shoes but I don't think he was poor. Warnock got him and the players around him playing to their strengths in an organised formation. We have young lads coming through, who I think will start more games, but his experience, and personality from what folk have said, will be a real plus. You've seen this guys posting. Anything below average is 'woeful', 'very poor', etc. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 5, 2023 18:34:06 GMT 1
Why was he woeful? He played a lot of games last season under two very poor coaches and one very good one, with frequently altered starting 11s. His 2 goals against QPR got us 3 points on the road. He was always going to struggle filling Toffolo's shoes but I don't think he was poor. Warnock got him and the players around him playing to their strengths in an organised formation. We have young lads coming through, who I think will start more games, but his experience, and personality from what folk have said, will be a real plus. You've seen this guys posting. Anything below average is 'woeful', 'very poor', etc. If you say so. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 5, 2023 18:34:46 GMT 1
And let's be honest here, he was woeful during his time here bar half a dozen games under Warnock Why was he woeful? He played a lot of games last season under two very poor coaches and one very good one, with frequently altered starting 11s. His 2 goals against QPR got us 3 points on the road. He was always going to struggle filling Toffolo's shoes but I don't think he was poor. Warnock got him and the players around him playing to their strengths in an organised formation. We have young lads coming through, who I think will start more games, but his experience, and personality from what folk have said, will be a real plus. Okay 👍 |
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Post by utttrooper on Jan 28, 2024 23:34:54 GMT 1
Does anyone have any clue when he'll be back because even for the few games under Moore he played he looked solid yet seems to have disappeared since the Wednesday game other than for a few brief moments.
Also it'll be good if he's back for the Leeds game to score a hatrick against them because teams do poorly after he scores against them with Middlesbrough being disappointing since then the mighty Bodmin Town struggling in 3rd last in their league and QPR taking a double hit to rapidly fall down the league and be below us
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Post by irverino on Feb 6, 2024 12:55:42 GMT 1
Ruled out till next season......Hopefully in the Championship.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 6, 2024 13:13:30 GMT 1
Ruled out till next season......Hopefully in the Championship. Bringing him back last summer and giving Ward a new contract look like awful decisions right now. Easy with hindsight but we really should have been looking for better players in the first place |
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Post by mosher on Feb 6, 2024 13:16:28 GMT 1
Ruled out till next season......Hopefully in the Championship. Bringing him back last summer and giving Ward a new contract look like awful decisions right now. Easy with hindsight but we really should have been looking for better players in the first place You can't say that, it's a criticism of King Colin and that's not allowed Much as I love NW and wish he'd stayed a bit longer, the "inside info" that came out regarding his affect on transfers and the squad make-up is starting to look more likely. |
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Post by impact on Feb 6, 2024 13:29:05 GMT 1
Ruled out till next season......Hopefully in the Championship. Bringing him back last summer and giving Ward a new contract look like awful decisions right now. Easy with hindsight but we really should have been looking for better players in the first place With Ruffels' injury, yes. But on his form last year to me it was a no beainer. He was one of our better players in the run-in and was free. |
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Post by crux on Feb 6, 2024 13:30:50 GMT 1
Ruled out till next season......Hopefully in the Championship. Bringing him back last summer and giving Ward a new contract look like awful decisions right now. Easy with hindsight but we really should have been looking for better players in the first place I don't think the Ruffels decision was that bad, obviously it looks rubbish with hindsight though 🤣. We needed a backup option to cover for Nakayama who was coming back from injury and keeping Ruffels was an OK decision. I'd have given him a one year contract, with a second year being triggered by appearances. The Ward contract was ridiculous and no-one other than Warnock would have made that decision. Again, the contract given, should have been a 1 year deal, with the second only triggered by appearances. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 6, 2024 13:42:25 GMT 1
Is Nakayama out of contract in the summer? I suspect ge might be on big wages and with Ruffles under contract it might well be that Nakayama leaves to free up wages for strengthening elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2024 20:45:08 GMT 1
Bringing him back last summer and giving Ward a new contract look like awful decisions right now. Easy with hindsight but we really should have been looking for better players in the first place I don't think the Ruffels decision was that bad, obviously it looks rubbish with hindsight though 🤣. We needed a backup option to cover for Nakayama who was coming back from injury and keeping Ruffels was an OK decision. I'd have given him a one year contract, with a second year being triggered by appearances. The Ward contract was ridiculous and no-one other than Warnock would have made that decision. Again, the contract given, should have been a 1 year deal, with the second only triggered by appearances. Headley is a decent backup option for me, and Jackson can play there as well. |
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Post by crux on Feb 6, 2024 21:18:58 GMT 1
I don't think the Ruffels decision was that bad, obviously it looks rubbish with hindsight though 🤣. We needed a backup option to cover for Nakayama who was coming back from injury and keeping Ruffels was an OK decision. I'd have given him a one year contract, with a second year being triggered by appearances. The Ward contract was ridiculous and no-one other than Warnock would have made that decision. Again, the contract given, should have been a 1 year deal, with the second only triggered by appearances. Headley is a decent backup option for me, and Jackson can play there as well. That's easy to say now, but not last June. Also, I'd say Headley is a wing-back or may even make a winger, rather than a fullback. Jackson is suffering from being a utility player, but I'd say he's more a fullback than a wing-back. Although I'm not sure what his best position is and he may be better having a season on loan somewhere to play in his best/preferred position - whatever that is! |
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Post by htafcdreams on Oct 6, 2024 21:53:20 GMT 1
Is he injured at mo and how long for?
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Post by bells ringing :) on Oct 6, 2024 22:09:06 GMT 1
Is he injured at mo and how long for? Not injured, just not getting picked. He played in the cups and looked way off it . |
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Post by crux on Oct 7, 2024 9:51:18 GMT 1
Is he injured at mo and how long for? Not injured, just not getting picked. He played in the cups and looked way off it . I'm guessing Ruffels (and Turton) was the type of player that Duff was talking about earlier on in the season, where both the player and the manager knew they weren't going to be involved in the squad and probably should move on. I thought Ruffels might be a useful backup at left sided centre half, obviously he's appears not to be up to it. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Oct 7, 2024 10:11:48 GMT 1
Not injured, just not getting picked. He played in the cups and looked way off it . I'm guessing Ruffels (and Turton) was the type of player that Duff was talking about earlier on in the season, where both the player and the manager knew they weren't going to be involved in the squad and probably should move on. I thought Ruffels might be a useful backup at left sided centre half, obviously he's appears not to be up to it. Well Duff gave Ruffels a chance at left side centre half, it completely bombed in pre season. On Turton i feel more sorry for him, as injuries seems to have really taken a tole on him. |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Oct 7, 2024 10:45:50 GMT 1
I'm guessing Ruffels (and Turton) was the type of player that Duff was talking about earlier on in the season, where both the player and the manager knew they weren't going to be involved in the squad and probably should move on. I thought Ruffels might be a useful backup at left sided centre half, obviously he's appears not to be up to it. Well Duff gave Ruffels a chance at left side centre half, it completely bombed in pre season. On Turton i feel more sorry for him, as injuries seems to have really taken a tole on him. Need both off the wages ASAP. I expect them to be gone in January. |
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Post by alexdire on Oct 7, 2024 12:49:57 GMT 1
Well Duff gave Ruffels a chance at left side centre half, it completely bombed in pre season. On Turton i feel more sorry for him, as injuries seems to have really taken a tole on him. Need both off the wages ASAP. I expect them to be gone in January. If Duff isn't going to pick them. We shouldn't keep them, they need to be playing. |
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Post by Up the Duff. on Oct 7, 2024 13:11:28 GMT 1
Not injured, just not getting picked. He played in the cups and looked way off it . I'm guessing Ruffels (and Turton) was the type of player that Duff was talking about earlier on in the season, where both the player and the manager knew they weren't going to be involved in the squad and probably should move on. I thought Ruffels might be a useful backup at left sided centre half, obviously he's appears not to be up to it. A good call by Duff. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 7, 2024 13:15:31 GMT 1
Best left back in the championship.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Oct 7, 2024 13:31:16 GMT 1
Best left back in the championship. Yes, NW certainly spouted a load of bollocks most of the time. |
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Post by joek on Oct 7, 2024 16:08:58 GMT 1
Well Duff gave Ruffels a chance at left side centre half, it completely bombed in pre season. On Turton i feel more sorry for him, as injuries seems to have really taken a tole on him. Need both off the wages ASAP. I expect them to be gone in January. We need a squad of players, particularly with all these injuries we’re picking up. Think both out of contract at end of season so that would seem to be a more likely exit for them. Ruffels played really well under Warnock and Turton shut plenty of people up on here with his performances in 2021/2022. Both have been so unlucky with injuries at just the wrong time for them (and us). They’re potentially nine months away from unemployment which is a human side to football at this level that I think many people forget. |
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Post by mosher on Oct 8, 2024 8:33:08 GMT 1
Best left back in the championship. Yes, NW certainly spouted a load of bollocks most of the time. Ssssssh, stop bashing. Giving him and Wardy extended contracts was managerial genius  |
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