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Post by Tinpot on Jul 4, 2023 13:19:38 GMT 1
Warnock said at end of last season he’d have recommended Town offering new deals to Koroma, Ward and Ruffels. Now Warnock’s staying on, he’s shown to be as good as his word. Can guarantee that Ruffels, whatever his limitations, will now run through brick walls for Warnock forever and a day. Yep, that's part of it for me as well. The rest of the squad have also just had it confirmed that NW is as good as his word which should give them that extra impetus. |
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Jul 4, 2023 13:24:05 GMT 1
Both ward and ruffles would have been binned of if our new owners had any sort of ambition. did you not see the comments from the new owner, this year will be difficult with the fair play rules. SDteady this year then 2024/25 bing bang bong  I haven’t managed to see much of what was said so what changes between this season and next that allows us to spend more brass? |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 4, 2023 13:26:34 GMT 1
htafcokay insinuates that there are idiots on this board…. Tinpot suggests htafcokay is an idiot himself…. htafcokay then does the ‘say it my face’ thing ? ! Does that make you, htafcokay, a coward as per your own definition ?? I don't hide behind faceless profiles, my identity is well known on here having been named by numerous posters. Happy to have a chat with anyone at a match. I have no idea who you are. In numerous exchanges between us though, you seem quite aggressive (needlessly so), so I'd probably give that "chat" a miss even if I did know. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 4, 2023 13:28:23 GMT 1
I don't hide behind faceless profiles, my identity is well known on here having been named by numerous posters. Happy to have a chat with anyone at a match. I have no idea who you are. In numerous exchanges between us though, you seem quite aggressive (needlessly so), so I'd probably give that "chat" a miss even if I did know. Never seen aggressive  |
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Post by hartyhtfc on Jul 4, 2023 14:31:27 GMT 1
Think it's been insinuated a few times by the new ownership crew that this year will be about stability and ensuring we have a steady base to build from. You'd imagine that means being fairly conservative with the budget, instead of a new owner rushing in to spend lots of money changing things he hasn't had time to assess yet.
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Post by 4 pts on Jul 4, 2023 15:10:14 GMT 1
Headley looked more than comfortable at this level and for me will be our main LB. Ruffels seems like a good pro and Warnock will know he won't let him down if needed. He won't be on a big wage and gives NW more money to strengthen in more important areas of the pitch
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Post by goodbet on Jul 4, 2023 15:11:29 GMT 1
Both ward and ruffles would have been binned of if our new owners had any sort of ambition. did you not see the comments from the new owner, this year will be difficult with the fair play rules. SDteady this year then 2024/25 bing bang bong We have not been spending for some time, quite the opposite as we have been a selling club since we were relegated, but I am not an expert on the rules. I would like to see some figures on this before I swallow anything that the club throw at us. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 4, 2023 15:18:29 GMT 1
did you not see the comments from the new owner, this year will be difficult with the fair play rules. SDteady this year then 2024/25 bing bang bong We have not been spending for some time, quite the opposite as we have been a selling club since we were relegated, but I am not an expert on the rules. I would like to see some figures on this before I swallow anything that the club throw at us. It's also been said we have bugger all coming in to help combat FFP. |
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Post by dirtyoldtown on Jul 4, 2023 15:28:43 GMT 1
If Warnock thinks he can do the job, then that's all that matters.
I've been a critic of Ruffels in the past. But, I'm totally at ease with giving Warnock 'carte blanche' when it comes to who stays and who goes.
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Post by 4 pts on Jul 4, 2023 15:33:39 GMT 1
Both ward and ruffles would have been binned of if our new owners had any sort of ambition. I would suggest it has nothing to do with ambition. Its about using the budget we have to build a better starting 11. Ward and Ruffels won't start the majority of games. They're both trusted to do a job when required and Warnock isn't daft, is he. He knows exactly where we need to spend and it definitely isn't about wasting big money on the bench |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 4, 2023 15:43:32 GMT 1
Worth noting that Ruffels played 90 mins in 10 out the last 12 games which coincided with our best form of the season. Not saying he's the best full back in the division but if you look at his performances under Warnock, he's integral.
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 4, 2023 15:47:36 GMT 1
To be fair, when all is said and done Ruffels isn't a 'bad' player but he ain't really championship quality either. I really rate Headley and think he will kick on and has been said we also have Nakamura back from injury as cover.
If wheeling and dealing in positions which aren't a priority means we can bring in genuine quality in areas that are then that's a good thing.
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 4, 2023 15:57:13 GMT 1
Both ward and ruffles would have been binned of if our new owners had any sort of ambition. Good opening post. Anything else to add ? |
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 4, 2023 16:10:24 GMT 1
Both ward and ruffles would have been binned of if our new owners had any sort of ambition. I would suggest it has nothing to do with ambition. Its about using the budget we have to build a better starting 11. Ward and Ruffels won't start the majority of games. They're both trusted to do a job when required and Warnock isn't daft, is he. He knows exactly where we need to spend and it definitely isn't about wasting big money on the bench Ruffels? Agreed (although he does offer competition for the LB/LWB role). Ward? Who knows? Based on the squad as it is, he'd be my first choice. I expect we'll bring someone in but if they're no good then Wardy probably will play most games. |
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 4, 2023 16:12:35 GMT 1
I would suggest it has nothing to do with ambition. Its about using the budget we have to build a better starting 11. Ward and Ruffels won't start the majority of games. They're both trusted to do a job when required and Warnock isn't daft, is he. He knows exactly where we need to spend and it definitely isn't about wasting big money on the bench Ruffels? Agreed (although he does offer competition for the LB/LWB role). Ward? Who knows? Based on the squad as it is, he'd be my first choice. I expect we'll bring someone in but if they're no good then Wardy probably will play most games. That thought is horrifying. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jul 4, 2023 16:15:56 GMT 1
Both ward and ruffles would have been binned of if our new owners had any sort of ambition. Good opening post. Anything else to add ? No he doesn't as this is a duplicate account, and is about to be deleted. |
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Post by softboy on Jul 4, 2023 16:46:45 GMT 1
It’s clear to me that NW trusts Koroma, Ward and Ruffels and to be fair to all 3 they all played a important part in staying up. He has said we need quality reinforcements further up the field and perhaps that’s were money needs to be spent. The last thing we want is to go into the last few weeks of pre season with a need to sign large numbers of players.
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Jul 4, 2023 16:52:43 GMT 1
For me we should be improving the squad and this just doesn't do that. Yes, I understand that he's sort of steady away and he did do ok when under Warnock, but nobody seemed that bothered when they thought he'd been released. Offering someone a two year deal because they're a decent option on the cheap seems a bit daft when we've got three other players here already that are capable of playing in that same position, someone coming in should surely be an improvement and be a direct contender for a first team place.
Hardly inspiring and a slight concern that we can't attract better to the club.
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Post by Spike24 on Jul 4, 2023 17:28:28 GMT 1
We have not been spending for some time, quite the opposite as we have been a selling club since we were relegated, but I am not an expert on the rules. I would like to see some figures on this before I swallow anything that the club throw at us. It's also been said we have bugger all coming in to help combat FFP. It's my understanding that Ffp isn't the reason behind the budget cap. More the fact ( as per Reading last year), the EFL have placed a budget cap on us for this season due to the financial issues of last year. As it stands I don't think it is anything to do with FFP, As to the reduced operating budget for this forthcoming season. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jul 4, 2023 17:29:32 GMT 1
nowt wrong with getting a bit carried away when a player is doing well, we're fans not objective observers Has anyone got carried away with the potential signing of Josh Ruffels? Most positive I've seen is people (me included) saying he's a sensible low cost option that allows us to put more of our budget elsewhere. I think he was referring to Koroma in the initial post |
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Jul 4, 2023 17:58:37 GMT 1
We have not been spending for some time, quite the opposite as we have been a selling club since we were relegated, but I am not an expert on the rules. I would like to see some figures on this before I swallow anything that the club throw at us. It's also been said we have bugger all coming in to help combat FFP. Didn’t we spread the Karlan Grant deal to help with that? |
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Post by thomo on Jul 4, 2023 18:19:41 GMT 1
Must admit - not a fan of Ruffels. Works hard but we're wide open when he comes up against any sort of quality. Rarely stops crosses. Maybe Headley will be first choice so as back up I guess it's reasonable although I can't imagine many other championship teams would trust him even as back up. As per Ward I get Warnock likes him personally but shouldn't be any room for sentiment in football and Warnock unlikely to be here next season therefore it should be one year as can't see anything long term about Ruffels.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 4, 2023 18:31:04 GMT 1
For me we should be improving the squad and this just doesn't do that. Yes, I understand that he's sort of steady away and he did do ok when under Warnock, but nobody seemed that bothered when they thought he'd been released. Offering someone a two year deal because they're a decent option on the cheap seems a bit daft when we've got three other players here already that are capable of playing in that same position, someone coming in should surely be an improvement and be a direct contender for a first team place. Hardly inspiring and a slight concern that we can't attract better to the club. 3 other players, but two of those are kids who are still establishing themselves and the other one had a nasty injury last season (and may be preferred at CB anyway). I wasn't bothered when he left, but I wouldn't have been horrified if we'd kept him either. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jul 4, 2023 19:19:54 GMT 1
did you not see the comments from the new owner, this year will be difficult with the fair play rules. SDteady this year then 2024/25 bing bang bong I haven’t managed to see much of what was said so what changes between this season and next that allows us to spend more brass? The EFL - fair play rules |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 4, 2023 21:19:25 GMT 1
Must admit - not a fan of Ruffels. Works hard but we're wide open when he comes up against any sort of quality. Rarely stops crosses. Maybe Headley will be first choice so as back up I guess it's reasonable although I can't imagine many other championship teams would trust him even as back up. As per Ward I get Warnock likes him personally but shouldn't be any room for sentiment in football and Warnock unlikely to be here next season therefore it should be one year as can't see anything long term about Ruffels. I don't think what you are sayingbis that unreasonable, but: 1) do you really think Warnock is someone who would let sentiment get in the way of what's best? I absolutely don't; he's probably ruthless. 2) are you that familiar with other club's squads that you are aware of the level of their second/third choice LB? |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Jul 4, 2023 21:25:40 GMT 1
For me we should be improving the squad and this just doesn't do that. Yes, I understand that he's sort of steady away and he did do ok when under Warnock, but nobody seemed that bothered when they thought he'd been released. Offering someone a two year deal because they're a decent option on the cheap seems a bit daft when we've got three other players here already that are capable of playing in that same position, someone coming in should surely be an improvement and be a direct contender for a first team place. Hardly inspiring and a slight concern that we can't attract better to the club. 3 other players, but two of those are kids who are still establishing themselves and the other one had a nasty injury last season (and may be preferred at CB anyway). I wasn't bothered when he left, but I wouldn't have been horrified if we'd kept him either. True, but to me that just reinforces the need to get an improvement in that department. Someone who can help bring the youngsters on and make the position a competitive one, not just a ‘steady’ option because they’re available on the cheap. This squad was heavily criticised last year for its lack of quality, and rightly so at times, so it is just a bit worrying that we can’t improve on those players who were out of contract and let go. I’ll be happy if we now sign a decent striker and a midfielder though, two positions we definitely need to invest wisely in. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2023 21:35:04 GMT 1
I would suggest it has nothing to do with ambition. Its about using the budget we have to build a better starting 11. Ward and Ruffels won't start the majority of games. They're both trusted to do a job when required and Warnock isn't daft, is he. He knows exactly where we need to spend and it definitely isn't about wasting big money on the bench Ruffels? Agreed (although he does offer competition for the LB/LWB role). Ward? Who knows? Based on the squad as it is, he'd be my first choice. I expect we'll bring someone in but if they're no good then Wardy probably will play most games. We have short memories about Wardys injury problems. 21/22 was a welcome blip in terms of stying injury free. |
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Post by sapphireblue on Jul 4, 2023 22:02:16 GMT 1
Maybe your colleagues feel like they work with one though. At least they'd say it to my face, rather than cowardly hiding behind faceless profiles on an internet forum. This is not aimed at you okay, just seems a good place. True story. A bloke (total knob) in the pub was bragging about still working from home, ever since lockdown. "All of my colleagues have had to go back into the office four days a week now" Hmmmmmm. |
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Post by philatrickstarbuck on Jul 4, 2023 23:30:40 GMT 1
When I came [back to Town] I know they told me he wasn’t very good, but he’s as good as any left-back I’ve had in the Championship. I think when you have an opportunity to just re-do contracts, I think you snap their hand off.”
From the Gaffer's mouth, so that will do for me...
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 5, 2023 6:05:57 GMT 1
Ruffels? Agreed (although he does offer competition for the LB/LWB role). Ward? Who knows? Based on the squad as it is, he'd be my first choice. I expect we'll bring someone in but if they're no good then Wardy probably will play most games. We have short memories about Wardys injury problems. 21/22 was a welcome blip in terms of stying injury free. Yeah, to be fair that is a concern. I still think he's a decent Plan B, but we don't as yet have a Plan A, and we can't rely on Plan B being uninjured. Plan C = Harratt/Hudlin/Phillips/Simpson. I'd be concerned if we didn't have a decent Plan A in place by the end of the window. |
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