Knockaert

[VLP Fan Club]

Apr 2, 2023 18:10:17 GMT 1 @sociallydistant said:

Apr 2, 2023 15:15:22 GMT 1 digs said:

Any news yet?

The management team don’t rate him. Simple as that.

He’s been in France for weeks.

[football]

Apr 2, 2023 18:15:48 GMT 1 VLP Fan Club said:

Apr 2, 2023 18:10:17 GMT 1 @sociallydistant said:

The management team don’t rate him. Simple as that.

He’s been in France for weeks.

And still getting paid?

[boooothy]

I thought it was a daft signing but i was really impressed with what i saw from him. Seems ridiculous if don’t at least have him in the bench when fit. I do seem to remember some disagreement with Warnock in years gone by though.

What’s the latest with Tino? Is he even still a thing?

[dbterrier32]

Apr 2, 2023 18:37:02 GMT 1 football said:

Apr 2, 2023 18:15:48 GMT 1 VLP Fan Club said:

He’s been in France for weeks.

And still getting paid?

Compassionate leave. think its the least an employer can do is pay the employee whilst off for it.

the length he has been off clearly shows it is a serious issue.

[dbterrier32]

Apr 2, 2023 21:18:09 GMT 1 boooothy said:

I thought it was a daft signing but i was really impressed with what i saw from him. Seems ridiculous if don’t at least have him in the bench when fit. I do seem to remember some disagreement with Warnock in years gone by though.

What’s the latest with Tino? Is he even still a thing?

think he'll be involved over the next couple of games. i agree when he has come off the bench despite not being fully fit (what we've been told) he has looked good. 50% AK walks into our team.

[3Pipe]

Apr 2, 2023 22:09:53 GMT 1 dbterrier32 said:

50% AK walks into our team.

But we need them to be able to run.

[aideybabes]

Apr 3, 2023 6:46:06 GMT 1 3Pipe said:

Apr 2, 2023 22:09:53 GMT 1 dbterrier32 said:

50% AK walks into our team.

But we need them to be able to run.

A nice bit of Monday morning sarcasm 😂

[hthp]

Have we missed him?

[themanfromatlantis]

Apr 3, 2023 9:14:41 GMT 1 hthp said:

Have we missed him?

Might have been 7-2 on Sat… 😉

[Porrohman]

Apr 3, 2023 9:14:41 GMT 1 hthp said:

Have we missed him?

So far he's run around a bit and passed a ball to JK, who then did what JK does and cut onto his right and buried it. That's the sum total of his time here

[hthp]

Apr 3, 2023 12:13:48 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Apr 3, 2023 9:14:41 GMT 1 hthp said:

Have we missed him?

So far he's run around a bit and passed a ball to JK, who then did what JK does and cut onto his right and buried it. That's the sum total of his time here

Seem to remember him having a shocker against Birmingham, giving the ball away in stupid positions.

[royrace]

Apr 3, 2023 12:47:19 GMT 1 hthp said:

Apr 3, 2023 12:13:48 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

So far he's run around a bit and passed a ball to JK, who then did what JK does and cut onto his right and buried it. That's the sum total of his time here

Seem to remember him having a shocker against Birmingham, giving the ball away in stupid positions.

He wasnt great in that game, looked excellent on his debut though, could be a real asset, hoping he'll soon be match fit and ready. 

[mallyb]

Apr 2, 2023 22:07:51 GMT 1 dbterrier32 said:

Apr 2, 2023 18:37:02 GMT 1 football said:

And still getting paid?

Compassionate leave. think its the least an employer can do is pay the employee whilst off for it.

the length he has been off clearly shows it is a serious issue.

It’s great isn’t it it coming up with all the new ways to get paid for not doing anything. Talk about entitled. It may be a serious issue but why is it the employers responsibility? Not only the employers responsibility but ‘the least they can do’ as if it’s somehow their fault as the employer.

[onesteviekindon]

I wonder how much we had to pay his agent? Great work if you can get it!

[rockwall]

Apr 3, 2023 16:23:27 GMT 1 mallyb said:

Apr 2, 2023 22:07:51 GMT 1 dbterrier32 said:

Compassionate leave. think its the least an employer can do is pay the employee whilst off for it.

the length he has been off clearly shows it is a serious issue.

It’s great isn’t it it coming up with all the new ways to get paid for not doing anything. Talk about entitled. It may be a serious issue but why is it the employers responsibility? Not only the employers responsibility but ‘the least they can do’ as if it’s somehow their fault as the employer.

Before making comments like 'entitled', let's wait and see what the issue is. Very harsh. I am sure if you had personal reasons that made you fly back home you would want some form of pay? Who is to say he is getting full pay?

[Macduff]

Should this thread be renamed "AK confirmed sighting"?

[duncfost01]

Yes he didn’t play great against Birmingham. Up till then I thought he looked decent. He also instigated the subs running to the corner after headley scored. So he looks up for it to me. We can never guess what injuries may happen before the end of the season. I think he will have a Part to play. Certainly better than a Scott high.

Give him chance.

UTFT

[Deleted]

Warnock said in the Boro presser "Anthony Knockaert is back with the group, but it might be asking a bit much for Saturday, I'm yet to speak to him."

So that is where we are. I have no idea what the compassionate leave was for but I hope he is OK.

[mallyb]

Apr 3, 2023 19:32:17 GMT 1 rockwall said:

Apr 3, 2023 16:23:27 GMT 1 mallyb said:

It’s great isn’t it it coming up with all the new ways to get paid for not doing anything. Talk about entitled. It may be a serious issue but why is it the employers responsibility? Not only the employers responsibility but ‘the least they can do’ as if it’s somehow their fault as the employer.

Before making comments like 'entitled', let's wait and see what the issue is. Very harsh. I am sure if you had personal reasons that made you fly back home you would want some form of pay? Who is to say he is getting full pay?

My comment was aimed at the poster not AK. I am sure it is legitimate and serious but a temp been brought on for 4 months and spent 1 of them injured then another on compassionate leave seems excessive and part of a culture in society now that is entitled. Why should an employer have to stump up money to pay wages for compassionate leave? It’s not a thing, it’s not like maternity leave or sick pay. It’s the most an employer can do not the least, the least is literally nothing, including no time off!!!!

[Deleted]

Apr 4, 2023 18:40:12 GMT 1 mallyb said:

Apr 3, 2023 19:32:17 GMT 1 rockwall said:

Before making comments like 'entitled', let's wait and see what the issue is. Very harsh. I am sure if you had personal reasons that made you fly back home you would want some form of pay? Who is to say he is getting full pay?

My comment was aimed at the poster not AK. I am sure it is legitimate and serious but a temp been brought on for 4 months and spent 1 of them injured then another on compassionate leave seems excessive and part of a culture in society now that is entitled. Why should an employer have to stump up money to pay wages for compassionate leave? It’s not a thing, it’s not like maternity leave or sick pay. It’s the most an employer can do not the least, the least is literally nothing, including no time off!!!!

How much use do you think a grieving employee is? How motivated are they likely to be later if they aren’t supported? They may be well paid professionals but they are also human beings.

[bells ringing :)]

AK should defo be included on friday , as Hungbo can't play.

[mosher]

Apr 4, 2023 19:50:30 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

Apr 4, 2023 18:40:12 GMT 1 mallyb said:

My comment was aimed at the poster not AK. I am sure it is legitimate and serious but a temp been brought on for 4 months and spent 1 of them injured then another on compassionate leave seems excessive and part of a culture in society now that is entitled. Why should an employer have to stump up money to pay wages for compassionate leave? It’s not a thing, it’s not like maternity leave or sick pay. It’s the most an employer can do not the least, the least is literally nothing, including no time off!!!!

How much use do you think a grieving employee is? How motivated are they likely to be later if they aren’t supported? They may be well paid professionals but they are also human beings.

I kind of agree with mallyb in a sense although I get what you mean by motivation.

The last firm I worked for didn't have any such thing as compassionate leave; if you wanted time off for something not covered by sick, maternity or whatever you had to book a holiday.

I lost 7 friends and relatives (including my 16 month old Goddaughter) during my employment there and had to use my holidays JUST to go to the funeral(s).  

That company had the attitude of bare legal minimum when it came to employees and many companies do.

I agree that a fair proportion of society nowadays feel it's an employer's obligation to cover every single eventuality and it really isn't.

Edit: Just to add for my Granddad's funeral my previous employers wanted me to go to work, take a couple of hours for the funeral then go back to work, wankers.  Because I didn't have any hols left to book and they didn't want to agree to an unpaid day off.  Complete and utter wankers my previous employers after they became too big for their boots.  Were great when they were "just" a family company and were the complete opposite to how I've described above.  Then turnover became into tens of millions and suddenly the family company side of things disappeared.

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Apr 5, 2023 8:53:35 GMT 1 mosher said:

Apr 4, 2023 19:50:30 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

How much use do you think a grieving employee is? How motivated are they likely to be later if they aren’t supported? They may be well paid professionals but they are also human beings.

I kind of agree with mallyb in a sense although I get what you mean by motivation.

The last firm I worked for didn't have any such thing as compassionate leave; if you wanted time off for something not covered by sick, maternity or whatever you had to book a holiday.

I lost 7 friends and relatives (including my 16 month old Goddaughter) during my employment there and had to use my holidays JUST to go to the funeral(s).  

That company had the attitude of bare legal minimum when it came to employees and many companies do.

I agree that a fair proportion of society nowadays feel it's an employer's obligation to cover every single eventuality and it really isn't.

It isn't an obligation but smart employers look after their staff. As you have shown, as a long term employee who wants to hold onto their job, you take the crap that gets chucked at you. AK has no allegiance to Town. He is here, temporarily, to see out the end of the season. Any ways to make him feel supported and want to do his best for us has to be the right thing to do.

Town do try to be a good employer as far as I can see, unless you are an under achieving manager.

[mosher]

Apr 5, 2023 9:04:08 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

Apr 5, 2023 8:53:35 GMT 1 mosher said:

I kind of agree with mallyb in a sense although I get what you mean by motivation.

The last firm I worked for didn't have any such thing as compassionate leave; if you wanted time off for something not covered by sick, maternity or whatever you had to book a holiday.

I lost 7 friends and relatives (including my 16 month old Goddaughter) during my employment there and had to use my holidays JUST to go to the funeral(s).  

That company had the attitude of bare legal minimum when it came to employees and many companies do.

I agree that a fair proportion of society nowadays feel it's an employer's obligation to cover every single eventuality and it really isn't.

It isn't an obligation but smart employers look after their staff. As you have shown, as a long term employee who wants to hold onto their job, you take the crap that gets chucked at you. AK has no allegiance to Town. He is here, temporarily, to see out the end of the season. Any ways to make him feel supported and want to do his best for us has to be the right thing to do.

Town do try to be a good employer as far as I can see, unless you are an under achieving manager.

Yeah, like I put in my edit, to start with they were great.  Then they moved to a bigger place in Bradford (rather than Saviletown), turnover increased, staff increased and it was no longer the family atmosphere.  My current employer used to work there too (my apprentice to start with lol) and is the complete opposite.  When Arriva struck at 2am the other month he came from Bradford to pick me up in Hecky to drop me at the office back in Bradford.  Not many bosses would do that.  He refused to dock my wages (I offered to take an unpaid holiday as I'd run out) when my mate passed away, paid me for the full day of the funeral.

Your first line: "smart employers look after their staff" is one of the first things they teach you on any business management course.  A lot of managers/owners/employers seem to forget that truism.  I'd do anything for my current employer, because I know he's got my back and would do anything (within reason I suppose) to help me out in times of need.  FFS he brought forward employing me by two years partly because I was on the dole and he wanted to help out.  With a caveat that he wanted to spend less time doing office shit anyway 

[townian]

Apr 5, 2023 9:04:08 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

Apr 5, 2023 8:53:35 GMT 1 mosher said:

I kind of agree with mallyb in a sense although I get what you mean by motivation.

The last firm I worked for didn't have any such thing as compassionate leave; if you wanted time off for something not covered by sick, maternity or whatever you had to book a holiday.

I lost 7 friends and relatives (including my 16 month old Goddaughter) during my employment there and had to use my holidays JUST to go to the funeral(s).  

That company had the attitude of bare legal minimum when it came to employees and many companies do.

I agree that a fair proportion of society nowadays feel it's an employer's obligation to cover every single eventuality and it really isn't.

It isn't an obligation but smart employers look after their staff. As you have shown, as a long term employee who wants to hold onto their job, you take the crap that gets chucked at you. AK has no allegiance to Town. He is here, temporarily, to see out the end of the season. Any ways to make him feel supported and want to do his best for us has to be the right thing to do.

Town do try to be a good employer as far as I can see, unless you are an under achieving manager.

I had what I imagine was a similar experience (we don’t know exactly what happened with Knockaert) some years ago. My baby Grandson died suddenly and my priority became looking after my family. I hadn’t much holiday left so I asked the owner of the business if I could take unpaid leave for two or three weeks until after the funeral. He said ‘yes, of course, take as long as you need, and we’ll still pay you’. As a result I felt more loyalty to that man and that company than anyone I worked for throughout my career. 

As far as Knockaert is concerned, we don’t know whether he got paid or not. It’s also worth considering the fact that he is looking for a club for next season. If the new regime fancy him, and plenty of Championship clubs will, any humanity shown by Town now will have done our chances no harm at all. 

[onesteviekindon]

Apr 5, 2023 8:53:35 GMT 1 mosher said:

Apr 4, 2023 19:50:30 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

How much use do you think a grieving employee is? How motivated are they likely to be later if they aren’t supported? They may be well paid professionals but they are also human beings.

I kind of agree with mallyb in a sense although I get what you mean by motivation.

The last firm I worked for didn't have any such thing as compassionate leave; if you wanted time off for something not covered by sick, maternity or whatever you had to book a holiday.

I lost 7 friends and relatives (including my 16 month old Goddaughter) during my employment there and had to use my holidays JUST to go to the funeral(s).  

That company had the attitude of bare legal minimum when it came to employees and many companies do.

I agree that a fair proportion of society nowadays feel it's an employer's obligation to cover every single eventuality and it really isn't.

Edit: Just to add for my Granddad's funeral my previous employers wanted me to go to work, take a couple of hours for the funeral then go back to work, wankers.  Because I didn't have any hols left to book and they didn't want to agree to an unpaid day off.  Complete and utter wankers my previous employers after they became too big for their boots.  Were great when they were "just" a family company and were the complete opposite to how I've described above.  Then turnover became into tens of millions and suddenly the family company side of things disappeared.

I agree that employers should support their staff as much as possible, but loyalty is a two way thing. Before I retired one of my staff asked for compassionate leave to attend the funeral of grandparents on SIX separate occasions! In the end offered unpaid leave and received dog's abuse as a result.

[wildhogg]

Apr 5, 2023 9:30:18 GMT 1 townian said:

Apr 5, 2023 9:04:08 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

It isn't an obligation but smart employers look after their staff. As you have shown, as a long term employee who wants to hold onto their job, you take the crap that gets chucked at you. AK has no allegiance to Town. He is here, temporarily, to see out the end of the season. Any ways to make him feel supported and want to do his best for us has to be the right thing to do.

Town do try to be a good employer as far as I can see, unless you are an under achieving manager.

I had what I imagine was a similar experience (we don’t know exactly what happened with Knockaert) some years ago. My baby Grandson died suddenly and my priority became looking after my family. I hadn’t much holiday left so I asked the owner of the business if I could take unpaid leave for two or three weeks until after the funeral. He said ‘yes, of course, take as long as you need, and we’ll still pay you’. As a result I felt more loyalty to that man and that company than anyone I worked for throughout my career. 

As far as Knockaert is concerned, we don’t know whether he got paid or not. It’s also worth considering the fact that he is looking for a club for next season. If the new regime fancy him, and plenty of Championship clubs will, any humanity shown by Town now will have done our chances no harm at all. 

I wouldn't touch him with a bargepole as far as a permanent contract goes. Although the lad's current struggles aren't his fault, we'd most likely be lumbered with a player on a pretty high wage who would be unavailable for half the season due to either injuries or personal reasons.

[mosher]

Apr 5, 2023 9:32:29 GMT 1 onesteviekindon said:

Apr 5, 2023 8:53:35 GMT 1 mosher said:

I kind of agree with mallyb in a sense although I get what you mean by motivation.

The last firm I worked for didn't have any such thing as compassionate leave; if you wanted time off for something not covered by sick, maternity or whatever you had to book a holiday.

I lost 7 friends and relatives (including my 16 month old Goddaughter) during my employment there and had to use my holidays JUST to go to the funeral(s).  

That company had the attitude of bare legal minimum when it came to employees and many companies do.

I agree that a fair proportion of society nowadays feel it's an employer's obligation to cover every single eventuality and it really isn't.

Edit: Just to add for my Granddad's funeral my previous employers wanted me to go to work, take a couple of hours for the funeral then go back to work, wankers.  Because I didn't have any hols left to book and they didn't want to agree to an unpaid day off.  Complete and utter wankers my previous employers after they became too big for their boots.  Were great when they were "just" a family company and were the complete opposite to how I've described above.  Then turnover became into tens of millions and suddenly the family company side of things disappeared.

I agree that employers should support their staff as much as possible, but loyalty is a two way thing. Before I retired one of my staff asked for compassionate leave to attend the funeral of grandparents on SIX separate occasions! In the end offered unpaid leave and received dog's abuse as a result.

There's swinging the lead and then there's taking the piss.

I'd never do that, too much like bad karma for me, like wishing them dead or something.

The majority of people (I hope) wouldn't do that if their employer is a good un as you sound to be.  I'd feel guilty as hell pulling anything like that currently, but you'll always get people who are tits I suppose.

[ldr]

AK is the type of player who could score a couple of worldies, win a penalty or two and provide some assists during our run in. If that happens and we stop up, then our careful and compassionate handling of the player would be seen as a master stroke.

[Tinpot]

Apr 3, 2023 16:23:27 GMT 1 mallyb said:

Apr 2, 2023 22:07:51 GMT 1 dbterrier32 said:

Compassionate leave. think its the least an employer can do is pay the employee whilst off for it.

the length he has been off clearly shows it is a serious issue.

It’s great isn’t it it coming up with all the new ways to get paid for not doing anything. Talk about entitled. It may be a serious issue but why is it the employers responsibility? Not only the employers responsibility but ‘the least they can do’ as if it’s somehow their fault as the employer.

Yeah. Same at our place.

One of my employees' wife died and he wanted the afternoon off to go to the funeral.

Out of the generosity of my heart I would have said ok if I'd been the one that killed her, but it wasn't my fault, so I told the entitled prick to report to his desk as usual.