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Post by harris on Feb 15, 2023 23:22:50 GMT 1
We’re all desperate for you to say Chicho is shit for the 63rd time Do you think these last two performances, that he's overseen, have been good? Have you been able to work out what system or what tactics he's employing? Can you understand why he's playing a goalkeeper that needs a wheelchair, or a centre half at right back when there's a right back on the bench? There's opinions and all the rest of it, but I'm hardly wide of the mark about his capabilities, am I? You’re not wide of the mark, I agree with you based on what we’ve seen. But you’ve already told us many, many, many times. |
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Post by jakeg on Feb 15, 2023 23:24:07 GMT 1
We are clearly very low mentally, still think we have a chance because it’s tight and the leagues not very good but it’ll be tough. It’s really disappointing how we’ve lost the ability to do the basics, and how injuries continue to kick us while we’re down. Warnock is the right man for the challenge though, he’s done it multiple times before, sure he’s got plenty to think about after tonight. Do we have any Warnock type players though? I really can't see what his tactics are going to be with no real pace, height up front or genuine quality in attacking areas. Hasn't even got a decent central midfielder to work with. Be interesting to see what he does. Try and get the experienced players up.to their normal standard, instilling confidence and trusting them or going with the younger players and trying to set them free. With pretty much anyone else I'd reluctantly say we look doomed but this league is crap....its still possible to be 4th worst |
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Post by hthp on Feb 15, 2023 23:24:18 GMT 1
Do you think these last two performances, that he's overseen, have been good? Have you been able to work out what system or what tactics he's employing? Can you understand why he's playing a goalkeeper that needs a wheelchair, or a centre half at right back when there's a right back on the bench? There's opinions and all the rest of it, but I'm hardly wide of the mark about his capabilities, am I? You’re not wide of the mark, I agree with you based on what we’ve seen. But you’ve already told us many, many, many times. Noted. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 15, 2023 23:24:30 GMT 1
We are clearly very low mentally, still think we have a chance because it’s tight and the leagues not very good but it’ll be tough. It’s really disappointing how we’ve lost the ability to do the basics, and how injuries continue to kick us while we’re down. Warnock is the right man for the challenge though, he’s done it multiple times before, sure he’s got plenty to think about after tonight. Do we have any Warnock type players though? I really can't see what his tactics are going to be with no real pace, height up front or genuine quality in attacking areas. Hasn't even got a decent central midfielder to work with. We've got a few of the type he signed in his first season, you know, non league players |
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Post by hgterrier on Feb 15, 2023 23:24:30 GMT 1
We are actually hilariously bad though aren't we.
Loved that free kick we got in the 2nd half on the half way line. I think we were 2 behind at the time. So we decided the best option there was to turn and whack the free kick all the way back to that cripple we had in goal.
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Post by philatrickstarbuck on Feb 15, 2023 23:25:33 GMT 1
Feck me sideways, backwards & up...I will leave it there... Get a grip man 🤣 🔵⚪🔵 |
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Post by impact on Feb 15, 2023 23:25:36 GMT 1
We have struggled all season to create chances in open play. I honestly think Neil's best chance is to pick the tallest players we have, i.e Camara in midfield, Hudlin & Simpson up front, whack every ball to the corner flag & try to push the opposition into giving away corners & free kicks. It doesn't matter how shit Hudlin & Simpson are, no striker gets any service anyway, as our only chance of scoring is set pieces, let's increase our chances by picking a big team Which would work if we hadn't let our best set piece taker leave on loan. |
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Post by linson on Feb 15, 2023 23:25:38 GMT 1
What a disgrace we have become. You reap what you sow and we fully deserve this.
We dismantled a reasonable team last year and didn’t fight to keep a decent manager. We rolled the dice with too many players, back room staff and the new manager(s). We’ve skirted with relegation so many times and yet we don’t learn.
The signings from January have been uninspired. Vaclik dodgy, Kalembi can’t get on the pitch despite the fact that Waghorn is an empty shirt, Knockaert doesn’t look fit, Lowton has lost it… The only decent one is Hungbo.
The sooner we have a decent owner the better. Watching that tonight has full on rug pulled town for me. Absolute rubbish.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 15, 2023 23:26:05 GMT 1
It might surprise many on here to realise that was our biggest league defeat this season.
That said, regardless of what the result is on Sat, we then play Burnley at Turf Moor, which could be embarrassing unless NW has started to work some magic.
Here’s hoping this remains our biggest defeat… 🤞🤞
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Post by rugbyterrier on Feb 15, 2023 23:33:30 GMT 1
It might surprise many on here to realise that was our biggest league defeat this season. That said, regardless of what the result is on Sat, we then play Burnley at Turf Moor, which could be embarrassing unless NW has started to work some magic. Here’s hoping this remains our biggest defeat… 🤞🤞 Only because we have been so defensive all season. How many games have we failed to score in. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Feb 15, 2023 23:34:26 GMT 1
Do we have any Warnock type players though? I really can't see what his tactics are going to be with no real pace, height up front or genuine quality in attacking areas. Hasn't even got a decent central midfielder to work with. Hopefully an emergency loan or two There's no loan window, it's shut. Free agents at best but how fit are they going to be? |
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Post by lankystreak on Feb 15, 2023 23:37:56 GMT 1
Harsh. At least we scored under MF. Still deserved sacking though. Outrageous from lanky. At least under MF we tried to compete. Last two games we’ve gone down with a whimper Viewed as a response to that one quote it may be, but this guy just spouts constant bollocks about Fotheringham |
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Post by crux on Feb 15, 2023 23:39:14 GMT 1
Even worse, we only miss Boyle for 1 game 🤬 Nowhere near as bad as having Lees available for every game. Don't get the hatred for Boyle, when I'm not sure he's the worst centre half we've got. Pearson and Helik would be my first choice pairing, but I'd pick Boyle over Lees based on this season. |
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Post by bleaklow on Feb 15, 2023 23:40:02 GMT 1
Couldn't believe the team selection tonight High not good enough for any other team in the Championship. H the only player that troubled Wigan
doesn't start. Kasumu who tries to drive forward should have started. The goalie doesn't inspire any confidence. warnock should have been brought in
ages ago so he could have had a say in the transfer window. The 'Top' people at Town are ruining the club, unless Warnock is a miracle worker. Boyle should have been taken off when he was on a yellow card, and Pearson is certainly not a right back.
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Post by ACW on Feb 15, 2023 23:40:14 GMT 1
It might surprise many on here to realise that was our biggest league defeat this season. That said, regardless of what the result is on Sat, we then play Burnley at Turf Moor, which could be embarrassing unless NW has started to work some magic. Here’s hoping this remains our biggest defeat… 🤞🤞 It might be the heaviest defeat, but it's far from the first time we've failed to score and failed to create any worthwhile chances. Stoke happened to score 3 goals tonight, but teams don't need to score 3 to beat us. One is usually enough. The fact that we have not been stuffed much this season has been brought up before. Doesn't really matter because we will still go down if we continue to be beaten (narrowly or otherwise). At the moment I can't see us winning another game. |
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Post by mrg on Feb 15, 2023 23:42:37 GMT 1
Do we have any Warnock type players though? I really can't see what his tactics are going to be with no real pace, height up front or genuine quality in attacking areas. Hasn't even got a decent central midfielder to work with. Be interesting to see what he does. Try and get the experienced players up.to their normal standard, instilling confidence and trusting them or going with the younger players and trying to set them free. With pretty much anyone else I'd reluctantly say we look doomed but this league is crap....its still possible to be 4th worst All he can do is pray he can get Pearson Lees and Hogg playing anything like and work something out from there. Midfield and attack is shockingly poor. If we could get Yuta back it would be a start, losing the wing back replacements is desperate stuff along with the rest of the shambles. As has been said we've reaped what we've sowed here and deans permanent 1 year plan has come unglued. If warnock can rescue this it will be Jesus level stuff. |
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Post by detox on Feb 15, 2023 23:45:24 GMT 1
Even worse, we only miss Boyle for 1 game 🤬 Gayle had stood over him a few minutes before and wound him up,but even then it wasn't a 2nd yellow..Gayle crashed into him, Boyle spread his arms to balance himself and the ref said that was a delibeate swipe in Gayle's face...the ref was pretty garbage all game but seemed happy enough with 3-0 at the end as he laughed and joked with the Stoke players... Nobody loves us, and we're sh*t... What we need is for Lowton to get a red and miss 15 games... |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 15, 2023 23:45:26 GMT 1
He tries and he gets involved. That's more than most of our midfield do. High runs around but doesn't touch the ball or tackle, at least rudoni gets it and gives it away ! High occupies a shirt and mooches around. I can do that, you can do that. Hogg is still the 'pivot', that was always going nowhere. Think Rudoni was game but didnt seem to know exactly what he was supposed to be doing and where?? Waghorn?? Might have done better with koroma, knockheart and Hungbo as a front three? Clearly Kasumu instead of High and gone with trying to play our way up the pitch rather than boot it somewhere, anywhere. |
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Post by HalifaxTerrier on Feb 15, 2023 23:48:17 GMT 1
We have struggled all season to create chances in open play. I honestly think Neil's best chance is to pick the tallest players we have, i.e Camara in midfield, Hudlin & Simpson up front, whack every ball to the corner flag & try to push the opposition into giving away corners & free kicks. It doesn't matter how shit Hudlin & Simpson are, no striker gets any service anyway, as our only chance of scoring is set pieces, let's increase our chances by picking a big team I’m usually against long ball tactics but it really would be nice to see us try something different now. We are creating absolutely naff all, so why not just get the big men up and get crosses in at any opportunity? Some utterly bizarre decisions in this interim period from Narcis. No Diarra, dropping Hungbo, bringing in High, Pearson right back, replacing left back for left at 0-1 down, bringing on Mahoney and then playing with no strikers, the list just goes on and on, it’s all really odd. Remember that Cardiff match earlier in the season where he did go a bit more direct, no fannying around at the back, just do the basics and get up the pitch. What happened to that train of thought? |
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Post by flevans on Feb 15, 2023 23:48:50 GMT 1
Feck me sideways, backwards & up...I will leave it there... Get a grip man 🤣 🔵⚪🔵 Another enthralling thread reaches its fantastic climax |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Feb 15, 2023 23:50:39 GMT 1
We are a team that have given up. We are ground down, deflated, broken. Warnock should be running away from this shitstorm. I really don’t know where he begins. It’s horrible. We were literally all over the place in that game and the fight is gone. How the hell do we turn this shambles around? The only good news is that he’s done this loads of times before, probably in even worse states and reckons he can do it again. It’s a big outside shout, but he hasn’t failed often in the past. Think it’ll be a much simpler game plan from now on in. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 15, 2023 23:51:23 GMT 1
Thumbless Bolton mate doesn't think they'll be playing us at all next season.
They've won both their last two games 5-0 and he reckons they'll take our place in the Championship.
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Post by willo on Feb 16, 2023 0:02:17 GMT 1
Our season reboots tomorrow. We were crap tonight but I pretty much expected more of the same before ko. Jepson will leave Warnock under no illusion after witnessing tonight’s performance the size of the task that awaits. It’s now on the players. Warnock should be (and will be) ripping into them if they continue to perform like that, and I’d expect the fans to give them a rough ride too if we get more of the same. It’s going to take a monumental effort to get out of this and I’m at the point now where anything other than a win on Saturday and Neil Warnock or not, I think we’re likely going down.
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 16, 2023 0:02:59 GMT 1
Do we have any Warnock type players though? I really can't see what his tactics are going to be with no real pace, height up front or genuine quality in attacking areas. Hasn't even got a decent central midfielder to work with. Hopefully an emergency loan or two We can only get an emergency loan if Vaclik, Smith, Bilo and Chapman are all injured or suspended. And only goalkeepers are available. |
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Post by willo on Feb 16, 2023 0:04:48 GMT 1
We have struggled all season to create chances in open play. I honestly think Neil's best chance is to pick the tallest players we have, i.e Camara in midfield, Hudlin & Simpson up front, whack every ball to the corner flag & try to push the opposition into giving away corners & free kicks. It doesn't matter how shit Hudlin & Simpson are, no striker gets any service anyway, as our only chance of scoring is set pieces, let's increase our chances by picking a big team I’m usually against long ball tactics but it really would be nice to see us try something different now. We are creating absolutely naff all, so why not just get the big men up and get crosses in at any opportunity? Some utterly bizarre decisions in this interim period from Narcis. No Diarra, dropping Hungbo, bringing in High, Pearson right back, replacing left back for left at 0-1 down, bringing on Mahoney and then playing with no strikers, the list just goes on and on, it’s all really odd. Remember that Cardiff match earlier in the season where he did go a bit more direct, no fannying around at the back, just do the basics and get up the pitch. What happened to that train of thought? Agreed. Don’t know if Narcis has taken a bump to the head but his team selection these last 2 games has been utterly baffling. |
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Post by ldr on Feb 16, 2023 0:08:40 GMT 1
Hopefully an emergency loan or two We can only get an emergency loan if Vaclik, Smith, Bilo and Chapman are all injured or suspended. And only goalkeepers are available. . Does Vaclik been unable to jump or even walk constitute injured? I’ve seen fitter paraplegics. |
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Post by space hardware on Feb 16, 2023 0:10:28 GMT 1
We can only get an emergency loan if Vaclik, Smith, Bilo and Chapman are all injured or suspended. And only goalkeepers are available. . Does Vaclik been unable to jump or even walk constitute injured? I’ve seen fitter paraplegics. Harsh but fair. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Feb 16, 2023 0:13:13 GMT 1
Hopefully an emergency loan or two We can only get an emergency loan if Vaclik, Smith, Bilo and Chapman are all injured or suspended. And only goalkeepers are available. Today was another 'trial' starting 11 for me. Round pegs from now, with a few directions to get us in and keep us in a game. Fotheringham seemed to have a simple approach but then looked to change his mind like a lass getting ready for a big night out. |
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 16, 2023 0:14:15 GMT 1
We can only get an emergency loan if Vaclik, Smith, Bilo and Chapman are all injured or suspended. And only goalkeepers are available. . Does Vaclik been unable to jump or even walk constitute injured? I’ve seen fitter paraplegics. Apparently not. I wonder if you have to be actually dead in order to qualify as unavailable. (That said, he was a 5/10 tonight imo, which made him one of our better players) |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 16, 2023 1:03:10 GMT 1
I was only watching a bit half heartedly on the red button, but even then it was obvious that this new keeper doesn’t command his area any better than Schofield did.
Even if he is a good keeper when fit, these games are coming thick & fast, versus opponents who are going to be approaching games in a more positive, play-off bound type mentality.
However, on the whole, this just typifies our season. It’s been a bit of a disaster from the off, our luck has been virtually zero (Hawkeye anyone?), injuries and 2 poor managerial appointments. I’m not suggesting we’ve not been shite on the field, but everything that could go wrong has pretty much gone wrong.
A win v Brum is an absolute must. It still wouldn’t move us out of the relegation zone, but on paper it’s going to be one of the ‘easiest’ games we have left. Everything else is lined up for Saturday as well, I just hope Warnock reads these lads the bloody riot act.
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