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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 16:05:13 GMT 1
Hopefully there is a reaction to Warnock being appointed, hes not in charge but if he is at the game they need to be trying to impress him. Maybe it leads to a better performance and a point at least.
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 15, 2023 16:16:32 GMT 1
Hopefully there is a reaction to Warnock being appointed, hes not in charge but if he is at the game they need to be trying to impress him. Maybe it leads to a better performance and a point at least. He won't be at the game. He's out of the country. |
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Post by Htfc65 on Feb 15, 2023 16:57:05 GMT 1
No Hudlin with the B team He's been poorly. |
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Post by Htfc65 on Feb 15, 2023 17:00:10 GMT 1
No Hudlin with the B team Smith & Diarra both playing which suggests they won't be involved tonight. Maybe Valick's recovered or Chapman's preferred on the bench. Vaclik is back for tonight. Headley, High and Koroma set to start and Jones on the bench. |
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Post by boooothy on Feb 15, 2023 17:04:43 GMT 1
Smith & Diarra both playing which suggests they won't be involved tonight. Maybe Valick's recovered or Chapman's preferred on the bench. Vaclik is back for tonight. Headley, High and Koroma set to start and Jones on the bench. I didn’t expect to see Vaclik play again this season. Wouldn’t have expected the other 3 to start either. |
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Post by Htfc65 on Feb 15, 2023 17:07:09 GMT 1
Vaclik is back for tonight. Headley, High and Koroma set to start and Jones on the bench. I didn’t expect to see Vaclik play again this season. Wouldn’t have expected the other 3 to start either. Be prepared to be surprised. |
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Post by boooothy on Feb 15, 2023 17:11:23 GMT 1
Well i’m delighted if the keeper is fit and it’d be good to see Koroma play. Don’t know who that would mean dropping out, maybe knockheart to the bench saved for the last 30 minutes.
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 15, 2023 17:12:43 GMT 1
Smith & Diarra both playing which suggests they won't be involved tonight. Maybe Valick's recovered or Chapman's preferred on the bench. Vaclik is back for tonight. Headley, High and Koroma set to start and Jones on the bench. Jones on the Bench is a surprise. I would have expected him to have more minutes with the B Team and Training with the first team before being back in the squad. Let's hope his Hamstrings don't go again |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on Feb 15, 2023 17:14:12 GMT 1
Good that Vaclik is back. I know he doesn’t look in the best shape but we sank further and further back went he went off at weekend.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 15, 2023 17:15:47 GMT 1
Smith & Diarra both playing which suggests they won't be involved tonight. Maybe Valick's recovered or Chapman's preferred on the bench. Vaclik is back for tonight. Headley, High and Koroma set to start and Jones on the bench. If true, can't see us getting anything if High is playing. Like playing with 10 men. |
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Post by Htfc65 on Feb 15, 2023 17:16:42 GMT 1
Well i’m delighted if the keeper is fit and it’d be good to see Koroma play. Don’t know who that would mean dropping out, maybe knockheart to the bench saved for the last 30 minutes. Hungbo |
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Post by terriers2000 on Feb 15, 2023 17:19:50 GMT 1
Hopefully High plays well tonight, I'm not the biggest fan of him but he has the potential to be a great player for us plus captain but no one has really seen his potential yet, hopefully tonight is the night
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Post by terriers2000 on Feb 15, 2023 17:21:30 GMT 1
90 minutes of watching tom lees play  |
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Post by boooothy on Feb 15, 2023 17:24:05 GMT 1
Well Knockhaert and Koroma smells like goals to me.
If that’s the case i’m alright with Scott Fuckin High playing offering legs, and it’s his birthday 🥳
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Post by Dan on Feb 15, 2023 17:25:56 GMT 1
So....
Vaclik
Lowton Pearson Lees Headley
High Hogg
Koroma Knockaert Rudoni
Waghorn
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Post by bells ringing :) on Feb 15, 2023 17:41:29 GMT 1
May i ask a very honest question, that some more in the know posters may know?
What is the club fixation with Scott High, they seem adament that he will not only play, but become a major player and captain of our club?
I have watched almsot every game that High has played for us to date, i imply do not see anything that shows why the club have such confidence.
He may well be a lovely lad, i am not questioning that, but as a footballer is he really ever going to be good enough ?
How long is the club going to give him, to "develop" all he seems to do at the moment, is get the ball either get caught or pass backwards.He has an engine, but he is also very much lightweight and gets knocked off the ball a heck of a lot.
When he gets time on the ball , he also seems to panic and give it a away a lot.
The only way i can see him making it above league 2, or even lower is by putting probs a stone to stone and half on and becomming a sitting midfielder who tackles and passses a bit like Hogg is now.
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Post by exberlinerterrier on Feb 15, 2023 18:12:52 GMT 1
May i ask a very honest question, that some more in the know posters may know? What is the club fixation with Scott High, they seem adament that he will not only play, but become a major player and captain of our club? I have watched almsot every game that High has played for us to date, i imply do not see anything that shows why the club have such confidence. He may well be a lovely lad, i am not questioning that, but as a footballer is he really ever going to be good enough ? How long is the club going to give him, to "develop" all he seems to do at the moment, is get the ball either get caught or pass backwards.He has an engine, but he is also very much lightweight and gets knocked off the ball a heck of a lot. When he gets time on the ball , he also seems to panic and give it a away a lot. The only way i can see him making it above league 2, or even lower is by putting probs a stone to stone and half on and becomming a sitting midfielder who tackles and passses a bit like Hogg is now. I’ll try to give my view of him, and hope that what I say might reflect the club’s view in some way. I should say as a disclaimer that I was disappointed that he was sent on loan, and have been disappointed with him since he’s been back. I’m looking forward to seeing him work under Warnock. I think Scott High has the potential to be a decent footballer at this level. I think we’ve not seen him display all the qualities he possesses at the same time, so it might be fair to say that his game lacks a bit of balance. On occasions I think he has shown that he has a really good range of passes. He’s there, for me, technique wise. I’d like to see him take the game by the scruff of it’s neck a little bit more. Dictate tempo and try to be a bit more adventurous or risk taking. For a young player, I think his positioning is solid. I think he’s quick enough when carrying the ball, and has a good work rate. I think he has shown himself to press well. I don’t really think it’s possible to compare High to Mooy, Hoggy or LOB, three popular centre mids at town in recent years. He‘s certainly not as talented on the ball as Mooy, as lively as LOB, or as defensively composed as Hoggy. I do wonder though, if there’s a decent mix of all three of those in his game, and town‘s faith in him is as much about hoping as believing that they can tease out that potential to be a really decent allrounder. It is possible that I‘m being too kind to him, or seeing potential when it’s not there, but I guess i find his case quite intriguing, and that faith that various coaches have put in him must mean that there’s something there. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Feb 15, 2023 18:21:53 GMT 1
Why? He was one of our best players last time out against Wigan. Seems strange to me, didn't look injured. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Feb 15, 2023 18:23:47 GMT 1
Why? He was one of our best players last time out against Wigan. Seems strange to me, didn't look injured. he will need "resting" as he has played a lot of games recently its the usual stuff they talk about. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on Feb 15, 2023 18:24:41 GMT 1
Why? He was one of our best players last time out against Wigan. Seems strange to me, didn't look injured. Exactly, looked the only guy who was really trying |
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Post by willo on Feb 15, 2023 18:24:46 GMT 1
Sadly can’t see beyond another defeat tonight, certainly not if Narcis has us set up like last Saturday. Anything tonight is a bonus, our season gets a reboot on Saturday.
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Post by rockwall on Feb 15, 2023 18:29:48 GMT 1
May i ask a very honest question, that some more in the know posters may know? What is the club fixation with Scott High, they seem adament that he will not only play, but become a major player and captain of our club? I have watched almsot every game that High has played for us to date, i imply do not see anything that shows why the club have such confidence. He may well be a lovely lad, i am not questioning that, but as a footballer is he really ever going to be good enough ? How long is the club going to give him, to "develop" all he seems to do at the moment, is get the ball either get caught or pass backwards.He has an engine, but he is also very much lightweight and gets knocked off the ball a heck of a lot. When he gets time on the ball , he also seems to panic and give it a away a lot. The only way i can see him making it above league 2, or even lower is by putting probs a stone to stone and half on and becomming a sitting midfielder who tackles and passses a bit like Hogg is now. I’ll try to give my view of him, and hope that what I say might reflect the club’s view in some way. I should say as a disclaimer that I was disappointed that he was sent on loan, and have been disappointed with him since he’s been back. I’m looking forward to seeing him work under Warnock. I think Scott High has the potential to be a decent footballer at this level. I think we’ve not seen him display all the qualities he possesses at the same time, so it might be fair to say that his game lacks a bit of balance. On occasions I think he has shown that he has a really good range of passes. He’s there, for me, technique wise. I’d like to see him take the game by the scruff of it’s neck a little bit more. Dictate tempo and try to be a bit more adventurous or risk taking. For a young player, I think his positioning is solid. I think he’s quick enough when carrying the ball, and has a good work rate. I think he has shown himself to press well. I don’t really think it’s possible to compare High to Mooy, Hoggy or LOB, three popular centre mids at town in recent years. He‘s certainly not as talented on the ball as Mooy, as lively as LOB, or as defensively composed as Hoggy. I do wonder though, if there’s a decent mix of all three of those in his game, and town‘s faith in him is as much about hoping as believing that they can tease out that potential to be a really decent allrounder. It is possible that I‘m being too kind to him, or seeing potential when it’s not there, but I guess i find his case quite intriguing, and that faith that various coaches have put in him must mean that there’s something there. Thing with High is that he has played 42 games and is 22. I have not seen any improvement at all. If anything, he has got worse. We are not in a position to be 'developing or giving people a chance. If Hungbo is on the bench tonight that is horrendous. Probably the only positive from Wigan. The only changes should be Kasumu for Camara. Lowton for Turton and a huge call, but I would play Boyle over Lees based on Lees current form. |
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Post by runner76 on Feb 15, 2023 18:32:35 GMT 1
Sadly can’t see beyond another defeat tonight, certainly not if Narcis has us set up like last Saturday. Anything tonight is a bonus, our season gets a reboot on Saturday. Be happy with a point |
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Post by sabailand on Feb 15, 2023 18:42:04 GMT 1
May i ask a very honest question, that some more in the know posters may know? What is the club fixation with Scott High, they seem adament that he will not only play, but become a major player and captain of our club? I have watched almsot every game that High has played for us to date, i imply do not see anything that shows why the club have such confidence. He may well be a lovely lad, i am not questioning that, but as a footballer is he really ever going to be good enough ? How long is the club going to give him, to "develop" all he seems to do at the moment, is get the ball either get caught or pass backwards.He has an engine, but he is also very much lightweight and gets knocked off the ball a heck of a lot. When he gets time on the ball , he also seems to panic and give it a away a lot. The only way i can see him making it above league 2, or even lower is by putting probs a stone to stone and half on and becomming a sitting midfielder who tackles and passses a bit like Hogg is now. Dont know mate but i cant imagine playing in what so far has been a poor team helps any kind of development, confidence and enthusiasm rubs off, but when senior players have been lacking it cant help at all. |
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Post by goodbet on Feb 15, 2023 18:45:30 GMT 1
We have been that poor I would accept a narrow defeat if we started having a shape and the players looked like they are trying to get on the front foot.
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Post by exberlinerterrier on Feb 15, 2023 19:04:13 GMT 1
I’ll try to give my view of him, and hope that what I say might reflect the club’s view in some way. I should say as a disclaimer that I was disappointed that he was sent on loan, and have been disappointed with him since he’s been back. I’m looking forward to seeing him work under Warnock. I think Scott High has the potential to be a decent footballer at this level. I think we’ve not seen him display all the qualities he possesses at the same time, so it might be fair to say that his game lacks a bit of balance. On occasions I think he has shown that he has a really good range of passes. He’s there, for me, technique wise. I’d like to see him take the game by the scruff of it’s neck a little bit more. Dictate tempo and try to be a bit more adventurous or risk taking. For a young player, I think his positioning is solid. I think he’s quick enough when carrying the ball, and has a good work rate. I think he has shown himself to press well. I don’t really think it’s possible to compare High to Mooy, Hoggy or LOB, three popular centre mids at town in recent years. He‘s certainly not as talented on the ball as Mooy, as lively as LOB, or as defensively composed as Hoggy. I do wonder though, if there’s a decent mix of all three of those in his game, and town‘s faith in him is as much about hoping as believing that they can tease out that potential to be a really decent allrounder. It is possible that I‘m being too kind to him, or seeing potential when it’s not there, but I guess i find his case quite intriguing, and that faith that various coaches have put in him must mean that there’s something there. Thing with High is that he has played 42 games and is 22. I have not seen any improvement at all. If anything, he has got worse. We are not in a position to be 'developing or giving people a chance. If Hungbo is on the bench tonight that is horrendous. Probably the only positive from Wigan. The only changes should be Kasumu for Camara. Lowton for Turton and a huge call, but I would play Boyle over Lees based on Lees current form. Might it be fair to say that his getting worse as you put it could reflect the deterioration in the quality of coaching. Corberan - Schofield - Fotheringham, and perhaps with Warnock we might see an improvement in his performances? |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 15, 2023 19:13:54 GMT 1
Here’s hoping this is another game v Stoke C that triggers a dramatic run to avoiding the drop. 🤞🤞
UTT!!!
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Post by bells ringing :) on Feb 15, 2023 19:14:40 GMT 1
i understand the point above re High, regarding playing in a poor team wont be helping.
LOB played under the cowleys, in a relegation battling season, he stood out due to him showing what atrributes he has.
High is 22 years old, this guy is not a youngster anymore , you can get away with "o he is developing" when either you are 17/18/19/20 etc , but not at 22 for a centre mid with energy, this is suppose to be where you start to show .In addition he has played 40 odd games for us, games for Shrewsbury and rotherham, but has yet to impress or stand out in any single game. This worries me as he has dropped down a level, or played in teams who loaned him and has been sent back.
I am yet to see any improvments in his game, due to these loans or playing games. He seems to still do the same things and he also looks the same, in terms of small and very lightweight.
Town need to get him weight training and eating some proper food it seems,
in 40 odd games for us, he has played one decent pass forward, the rest of the time he seems determined to go backwards .
What type of midfeilder is High , what type would he class himself even?
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Post by workshyfop on Feb 15, 2023 19:22:13 GMT 1
Surely Rhodes has to play. We need someone who can score a goal.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Feb 15, 2023 19:22:44 GMT 1
Please name me more than one match where Holmes has "made things happen in the final third" - either since he returned or when he was first here. Not looking at his first spell, I didn’t rate him then but I think he’s been noticeably better (to me at least) since he came back. I agree with the OP he often looks like the only player trying to make things happen. Obviously in true HTFC fashion a few still have the knives out for him This season Rotherham (goal) Luton (goal) Stoke ( 2 assists) Last season Hull (goal) Bristol (goal) Derby (goal) Forest (goal) Fulham (goal) It's not a case of anyone having knives out for him, surely you realise that your stats show that he is blatantly not good enough for the creative job he's supposed to be doing for a Championship club? In over a season & a half (including a full season where we finished 3rd in the league) 7 goals & 2 assists isn't the end product of a prolific Championship attacking player. |
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