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Post by Dan on Jun 5, 2023 11:49:11 GMT 1
Oh good, hthp has found someone to have his argument with again
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Post by Mastercracker on Jun 5, 2023 12:04:16 GMT 1
Calm down Janet. If you can’t see that we had a small club mentality under Hoyle then I’m afraid I can’t help you there. The club openly stated itself as a stepping stone club. Although that was I would add part of a successful business model which established us in the championship (Coady, Clayton, Butterfield) the board under Hoyle unfortunately never shifted away from a small club mindset and have never seen ourselves as big hitters in this league. And that’s a DATM fact. I think it’s all relative. If you look at Brighton for example, Bissouma, White, Cucurella, Trossard have all moved on to what most would call bigger clubs, so in that sense Brighton is a stepping stone club. Ive no problem being a stepping stone club if it means attracting players good enough to play at a higher level, it can only benefit the team short term, and short term is pretty much all that matters in football. Their DOF was on Sky Sports before the Man City game and he literally said "we understand that we aren't always the destination club" and "you shouldn't be afraid to sell players". So even the club who just finished 6th understand and embrace that. The key difference is when they sell someone they usually have the replacement already in the building or at least know who that replacement is going to be. They also only sell for big money and to a club genuinely higher in the food chain. Too often especially pre premier league we've sold to peers in the same league, not replaced people/had no idea how to or seemingly let people go at the first sign of a couple of £m.
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Post by pinstripe on Jun 5, 2023 12:29:33 GMT 1
Curious that a rumor seemed to always exist that Huddersfield was one of the ‘biggest towns in the world’, which of course is absolute bollocks. But what must be quite a few of the same people who have grown up with that concept also believe that we’ve always been a small football club..
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 5, 2023 12:41:45 GMT 1
Curious that a rumor seemed to always exist that Huddersfield was one of the ‘biggest towns in the world’, which of course is absolute bollocks. But what must be quite a few of the same people who have grown up with that concept also believe that we’ve always been a small football club.. The myth was that Huddersfield is the biggest town in Europe. However, it's never actually been true.
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 5, 2023 13:22:32 GMT 1
I don't know, but imo it's not a bad strategy for attracting promising players with the potential to go higher. The thing is, aren’t 90% plus of clubs in England in the same boat to some extent. There’s not many who aren’t a stepping stone to the ambition of youngsters who want to end up in the top six of the Premier League. Then reality kicks in To some extent, sure. However, some will go more for the "tried & tested" route, others are more the "develop & sell" route. If you've got a big budget relative to the division you're in, you're more likely to go down the former route than the latter. Hence us spending a decent wedge (for the level we were at) in Lg1.
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 5, 2023 13:35:52 GMT 1
Some right bollocks being written on here about fans accepting we’re a L1 club, small club mentality etc. All it seemed to need to trigger those opinions was a tweet from a loan player we had for half a season. Nowt as strange as folk… It's not bollocks. There's a lot of our fans who seem to think we are a League One club. Look at our attitude in the Premier League, "happy to be here", "we are the smallest club EVER in the PL", "don't care if we lose every game" and so on. Even this season during one of the Fotheringham's games, I was stood having a piss and overheard some guy saying "Oh well, back to normality next season, League One". Back to normality? We haven't been there for 11 years and even when we were there, it was only for eight years. In fact, out of the last 30 years, we've spent more time out of League One (third tier) than in it yet we still seem to have this mentality that we "belong" there. 2 of the last 30 years in top tier. 15 of the last 30 years in 2nd tier. 12 of the last 30 years in 3rd tier. 1 of the last 30 years in 4th tier. On average then, we're a poor 2nd tier side. But sod "where you belong". You get as high up as you can regardless of where you've been before.
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 5, 2023 13:39:15 GMT 1
Before our first game in the Premier League David Wagner said something along the lines of "we are the smallest club ever in the Premier League". It was bollocks then and is still bollocks now, I hated that mentality from the club, the management and the fans as well, they certainly played their part in it. I don't tend to buy into the idea of "big" clubs. But for those that do, since when were Oldham Athletic, Blackpool & Swindon Town "bigger" than us?
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 5, 2023 13:39:48 GMT 1
Before our first game in the Premier League David Wagner said something along the lines of "we are the smallest club ever in the Premier League". It was bollocks then and is still bollocks now, I hated that mentality from the club, the management and the fans as well, they certainly played their part in it. I don't tend to buy into the idea of "big" clubs. But for those that do, since when were Oldham Athletic, Blackpool & Swindon Town "bigger" than us? No idea, ask Mr. Wagner and the fans that were swallowing that bollocks.
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Post by Wingman on Jun 5, 2023 13:41:48 GMT 1
I don't tend to buy into the idea of "big" clubs. But for those that do, since when were Oldham Athletic, Blackpool & Swindon Town "bigger" than us? No idea, ask Mr. Wagner and the fans that were swallowing that bollocks. It’s the past Lee. Let’s hope Mr Nagle uses some of the typical American spirit and pumps up our self-belief and standing. Plus don’t forget most Town fans are Yorkshire folk; unassuming, and humble but proud, rarely blowing their own trumpet too hard.
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Post by dm on Jun 5, 2023 13:52:49 GMT 1
Before our first game in the Premier League David Wagner said something along the lines of "we are the smallest club ever in the Premier League". It was bollocks then and is still bollocks now, I hated that mentality from the club, the management and the fans as well, they certainly played their part in it. I don't tend to buy into the idea of "big" clubs. But for those that do, since when were Oldham Athletic, Blackpool & Swindon Town "bigger" than us? I hate the idea of big club/small club. Who decides who falls into which category? Its obvious Manchester United are a 'big club' and Leyton Orient are tiny in comparison. Who decides for clubs in between, e.g. Norwich or Scunthorpe? I pay little attention to it - if somebody thinks club X are big or small, that's their opinion and nothing more.
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 5, 2023 14:16:12 GMT 1
No idea, ask Mr. Wagner and the fans that were swallowing that bollocks. It’s the past Lee. Let’s hope Mr Nagle uses some of the typical American spirit and pumps up our self-belief and standing. Plus don’t forget most Town fans are Yorkshire folk; unassuming, and humble but proud, rarely blowing their own trumpet too hard. You would if you could though.
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Post by richhtfc on Jun 5, 2023 14:34:37 GMT 1
Curious that a rumor seemed to always exist that Huddersfield was one of the ‘biggest towns in the world’, which of course is absolute bollocks. But what must be quite a few of the same people who have grown up with that concept also believe that we’ve always been a small football club.. The myth was that Huddersfield is the biggest town in Europe. However, it's never actually been true. I always heard it as “biggest Town in England” which isn’t true either.
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Post by Sio on Jun 5, 2023 14:50:37 GMT 1
The small dog mentality worked for us in the promotion season (even though it was nonsense, except budget) but unfortunately it embedded itself and has done us nothing but harm since.
I think Wagner genuinely did believe we were a small club but that had to stem from lack of knowledge (understandable) and probably encouragement from the board. But even when we got promoted to the Championship in 2012, Hoyle was already pedalling the 'small fish' lines - likely to protect himself from our lack of excessive spending and comparatively lower budget, which is fair.
Whatever our individual feelings on it, it's time for a new chapter and hopefully Nagle's understanding of Town is from a fresh perspective and not shaped by those before him. We need to think bigger, regardless of what it brings us.
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Post by Wingman on Jun 5, 2023 15:09:56 GMT 1
It’s the past Lee. Let’s hope Mr Nagle uses some of the typical American spirit and pumps up our self-belief and standing. Plus don’t forget most Town fans are Yorkshire folk; unassuming, and humble but proud, rarely blowing their own trumpet too hard. You would if you could though. I’m not flexible enough… I get our lass to do it for me. When she’s in a good mood. 😮
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Post by detox on Jun 5, 2023 15:13:01 GMT 1
The small dog mentality worked for us in the promotion season (even though it was nonsense, except budget) but unfortunately it embedded itself and has done us nothing but harm since. I think Wagner genuinely did believe we were a small club but that had to stem from lack of knowledge (understandable) and probably encouragement from the board. But even when we got promoted to the Championship in 2012, Hoyle was already pedalling the 'small fish' lines - likely to protect himself from our lack of excessive spending and comparatively lower budget, which is fair. Whatever our individual feelings on it, it's time for a new chapter and hopefully Nagle's understanding of Town is from a fresh perspective and not shaped by those before him. We need to think bigger, regardless of what it brings us. The Terrier is a small dog, which is what Wagner meant, a small dog but with fight and a bite...
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Post by Sio on Jun 5, 2023 15:16:02 GMT 1
The small dog mentality worked for us in the promotion season (even though it was nonsense, except budget) but unfortunately it embedded itself and has done us nothing but harm since. I think Wagner genuinely did believe we were a small club but that had to stem from lack of knowledge (understandable) and probably encouragement from the board. But even when we got promoted to the Championship in 2012, Hoyle was already pedalling the 'small fish' lines - likely to protect himself from our lack of excessive spending and comparatively lower budget, which is fair. Whatever our individual feelings on it, it's time for a new chapter and hopefully Nagle's understanding of Town is from a fresh perspective and not shaped by those before him. We need to think bigger, regardless of what it brings us. The Terrier is a small dog, which is what Wagner meant, a small dog but with fight and a bite... Nah, he said we were the smallest ever team in the Premier League. He thought, or was told, that we were a small club.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jun 5, 2023 15:41:22 GMT 1
Bournemouth, Oldham, Barnsley, Bradford, Swindon, Luton, Swansea, Brentford, Wigan, Wimbledon - all smaller clubs than Town IMO that have been or will be in the Premier League.
A few others in the Watford, Cardiff type of category you could argue as well.
The underdog mentality served us well under Wagner, but it meant we saw promotion as 'our moment in the sun.' Seem to recall us knocking our framed photos with that horrible line on. Like we were tourists coming for a brief visit and a few mementoes.
I think playing down the club as smaller, underdog etc has also been used by Hoyle to manage expectations, principally around investment into the club. Just my take on it. He probably didn't have the desire and/or the pockets to try and really establish us in the top flight like Tony Bloom has done with Brighton, or Matthew Benham has done for Brentford.
He's laid some strong foundations though and has ultimately left the club in a far better position than he found it. I'd like to think that Nagle will have more ambition and will have (either himself or through potential business partners) the pockets to try and give us a Brentford type platform. Which is obviously a huge undertaking that took both Brighton and Brentford many years to realise.
But anyway back on topic, let's sign Hungbo please. Seems like a lovely lad, good character, and exactly the mould of winger that we should be looking for - strong, quick, skilful and scores goals.
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Post by CowshedJack on Jun 5, 2023 15:56:29 GMT 1
The myth was that Huddersfield is the biggest town in Europe. However, it's never actually been true. I always heard it as “biggest Town in England” which isn’t true either. 14th on that list, with Reading in first, just for interest.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jun 5, 2023 16:16:06 GMT 1
The Terrier is a small dog, which is what Wagner meant, a small dog but with fight and a bite... Nah, he said we were the smallest ever team in the Premier League. He thought, or was told, that we were a small club. Wagner said at some point either when he first arrived or not long after that he'd never heard of Huddersfield Town. Which I remember thinking was faintly ridiculous as I dont think you could name a German club in the top 4 tiers, especially one that had won the top flight multiple times, that I hadn't heard of. However, if you're to take his words at face value there's two conclusions to draw; 1) His knowledge of the game outside Germany wasn't very good! 2) His knowledge of HTFC came almost entirely from what he was told from above.
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Post by sabailand on Jun 5, 2023 16:42:12 GMT 1
Before our first game in the Premier League David Wagner said something along the lines of "we are the smallest club ever in the Premier League". It was bollocks then and is still bollocks now, I hated that mentality from the club, the management and the fans as well, they certainly played their part in it. Agree with this post, the commentary just after Schindler scored the winning pen was cringeworthy, absolutely fkn embarrassing and cringworthy, we're a famous club with a fine tradition that have actually got major honours in the locker.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jun 5, 2023 17:02:47 GMT 1
Before our first game in the Premier League David Wagner said something along the lines of "we are the smallest club ever in the Premier League". It was bollocks then and is still bollocks now, I hated that mentality from the club, the management and the fans as well, they certainly played their part in it. Agree with this post, the commentary just after Schindler scored the winning pen was cringeworthy, absolutely fkn embarrassing and cringworthy, we're a famous club with a fine tradition that have actually got major honours in the locker. The funny thing is remember in the early to mid 90s especially after we moved ground we we're often spoken about in the media as a 'sleeping giant'. It's like we went from one extreme to the other purely because we were never in the top flight in the 90s/early 2000s which seems to be a strange be all and end all amongst a lot of folk these days.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Jun 5, 2023 17:29:25 GMT 1
I remember reading a tweet from someone like Ian Darke that referred to us as a sleeping giant when we got promoted.
We acted like uninvited oiks embarrassed to share the establishment's table when we got promoted and I think it opened us up to being a bit of a meek punching bag from a PR perspective. 85% of football clubs in england would kill for our history, including some pretty big ones. Some bold and confident marketing would've given us a much better reputation.
Given the above I think it's pretty ironic the perception that Nagle seems to have of our potential and history as a club - "one of the most storied football clubs in england" or something i think he said. Could imagine him saying that to all his network if he goes to big fancy shindigs. He must've been fed that by Baldwin, or our sales pitch to investors. Let's start talking about ourselves like that as a club in this new era - I can easily imagine some cool videos listing some of our achievements.
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 5, 2023 17:37:12 GMT 1
I remember reading a tweet from someone like Ian Darke that referred to us as a sleeping giant when we got promoted. We acted like uninvited oiks embarrassed to share the establishment's table when we got promoted and I think it opened us up to being a bit of a meek punching bag from a PR perspective. 85% of football clubs in england would kill for our history, including some pretty big ones. Some bold and confident marketing would've given us a much better reputation. Given the above I think it's pretty ironic the perception that Nagle seems to have of our potential and history as a club - "one of the most storied football clubs in england" or something i think he said. Could imagine him saying that to all his network if he goes to big fancy shindigs. He must've been fed that by Baldwin, or our sales pitch to investors. Let's start talking about ourselves like that as a club in this new era - I can easily imagine some cool videos listing some of our achievements. Reminds me of what Steve Kindon said on The Final Whistle VHS. "Huddersfield Town in the Fourth Division? What a nonsense".
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Post by sabailand on Jun 5, 2023 17:44:43 GMT 1
You would if you could though. I’m not flexible enough… I get our lass to do it for me. When she’s in a good mood. 😮 Fnarr fnarr yik yik yik.
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Post by tepidterrier on Jun 5, 2023 17:44:47 GMT 1
I remember reading a tweet from someone like Ian Darke that referred to us as a sleeping giant when we got promoted. We acted like uninvited oiks embarrassed to share the establishment's table when we got promoted and I think it opened us up to being a bit of a meek punching bag from a PR perspective. 85% of football clubs in england would kill for our history, including some pretty big ones. Some bold and confident marketing would've given us a much better reputation. Given the above I think it's pretty ironic the perception that Nagle seems to have of our potential and history as a club - "one of the most storied football clubs in england" or something i think he said. Could imagine him saying that to all his network if he goes to big fancy shindigs. He must've been fed that by Baldwin, or our sales pitch to investors. Let's start talking about ourselves like that as a club in this new era - I can easily imagine some cool videos listing some of our achievements. Reminds me of what Steve Kindon said on The Final Whistle VHS. "Huddersfield Town in the Fourth Division? What a nonsense". I'm too young to have seen the Buxton years, but Kindon's narration of that part of the video is so good that it brought it to life. The production quality of the video as a whole is superb and it's a shame that it's not available anywhere aside from a couple of snippets. I wonder if the rights holder would donate a copy of it to the heritage project? I would've thought the club would've put it on Youtube by now if they owned it. It's probably the most valuable secondary source regarding the club's history.
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Post by nicovaesen on Jun 5, 2023 17:47:03 GMT 1
Huddersfield Town will fucking rise again!!!!!! I’d buy that video.
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Post by JG Mellor on Jun 5, 2023 18:41:36 GMT 1
Before our first game in the Premier League David Wagner said something along the lines of "we are the smallest club ever in the Premier League". It was bollocks then and is still bollocks now, I hated that mentality from the club, the management and the fans as well, they certainly played their part in it. There won't have been many smaller finance-wise. I think it even Bradford had more clout when they were promoted. Barnsley probably not.
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Post by saintlyterrier on Jun 5, 2023 18:53:35 GMT 1
In the meantime.... Does anone have any news about Hungbo?
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Post by ldr on Jun 5, 2023 18:59:37 GMT 1
No idea, ask Mr. Wagner and the fans that were swallowing that bollocks. It’s the past Lee. Let’s hope Mr Nagle uses some of the typical American spirit and pumps up our self-belief and standing. Plus don’t forget most Town fans are Yorkshire folk; unassuming, and humble but proud, rarely blowing their own trumpet too hard. The myth here is that you should try to play a trumpet hard. Rather, you play it with control. From the diaphragm, never the cheeks. Power comes from control. And never underestimate the power of the tongue. Sorry for sounding like Swiss Tony. 😂
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Post by Wingman on Jun 5, 2023 20:37:09 GMT 1
It’s the past Lee. Let’s hope Mr Nagle uses some of the typical American spirit and pumps up our self-belief and standing. Plus don’t forget most Town fans are Yorkshire folk; unassuming, and humble but proud, rarely blowing their own trumpet too hard. The myth here is that you should try to play a trumpet hard. Rather, you play it with control. From the diaphragm, never the cheeks. Power comes from control. And never underestimate the power of the tongue. Sorry for sounding like Swiss Tony. 😂 Never apologise for sounding like Swiss Tony. Never.
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