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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Mar 5, 2023 11:08:35 GMT 1
im not and yes they have a right to leave but some spit there dummy’s out and yes it was very poor in the seccond half I stand by my comments utt It is their not there you thick buffoon Harsh mate. People fighting their own battles. |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 5, 2023 11:09:40 GMT 1
Simpson. Is our plan to kill games off by having someone pacey when the other team are tiring? If so, maybe that needs a rethink? I’d agree with giving him a start, you’d think he’d be chomping at the bit to have a go from the off. It’s a shit or bust game on Tuesday whichever way you dress it up. Hope we read the script… 🤞 hope those who walked out early find there dummy’s before Tuesday!!? I walked away with 20 minutes to go. That's the 2nd time, the other was PNE in the Carabao Cup, in the same season I felt compelled to do so. In my previous 43 years I have only walked away with more 10 minutes to go once. This on a wet night in Tranmere when we were 4-1 down. On both occasions this season, as I never do, I didn't rant and I didn't boo. I just walked away quietly feeling disheartened and despondent at what I had seen. I'm also pretty sure I didn't leave my dummy in someone's disregarded pie foil. I'm sorry Prepare but you do post some incredibly foolish and ill thought through things. |
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Post by Orinoco on Mar 5, 2023 11:13:12 GMT 1
Get 48 points, if we still go down, well tough titties Not a chance. Dreamland Have to agree, would be interested to see which games these 17 points are coming from!!. |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 5, 2023 11:14:31 GMT 1
I just don't see where we go from here, yesterday was a real huge hammer blow, the players arengood enough, if Warnock can't get a tune out of them then we're fooked. If Warnock finds a way to get the points required from this group it will be his best ever achievement in management. I have seldom seen such ineptitude from a group of Town players. The lack of base ability, required at this level, was genuinely shocking. I know we have been poor all season but yesterday laid bear how utterly hopeless we are, and our situation is. Where do we go from here? League One is the obvious destination, and we'll deserve it. It requires a real footballing miracle for this to turn round. |
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Post by foxtrot666 on Mar 5, 2023 11:17:44 GMT 1
Had trouble sleeping last night, I was so angry at the spineless performance. That's because fans care where as I'm sure the players all had a great nights sleep because no matter how shit they are they still get paid a shed load of money |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 5, 2023 11:18:05 GMT 1
I just don't see where we go from here, yesterday was a real huge hammer blow, the players arengood enough, if Warnock can't get a tune out of them then we're fooked. If Warnock finds a way to get the points required from this group it will be his best ever achievement in management. I have seldom seen such ineptitude from a group of Town players. The lack of base ability, required at this level, was genuinely shocking. I know we have been poor all season but yesterday laid bear how utterly hopeless we are, and our situation is. Where do we go from here? League One is the obvious destination, and we'll deserve it. It requires a real footballing miracle for this to turn round. It still blows my mind that anyone can claim this is a decent squad of players. If anything, it actually got worse and more unbalanced with the weird January signings. We'd lose to several teams from the National League if we played like we did yesterday against them. |
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Post by detox on Mar 5, 2023 11:21:51 GMT 1
I'm no fan of Ward belive me, but I thought we'd seen a reborn player against Birmingham, in fact a reborn team...higher tempo further up the pitch , lots of running and supporting each other and some nice inter-passing. yesterday you could tell from the 1st minute we were slow and cumbersome.
In the calm of the day after, when you look at how we played..starting at the back. Keeper should have saved the 2 goals from narrow angle, Helik giveaway shouldn't have happened... The back 4 were awful..mainly the distribution or clearances they made...mist of it high aimless balls upfield ..a high ball to Ward is no good, he can not win a header against a 6ft 3"cb, so why oh why keep launching high balls at him. The back 4 accuracy of passing must have been 15% I reckon, which immediately puts us under pressure.
The midfield, never in the game at all as a collective engine room..Hogg was back to his worst with sideways and backwards (and wayward)passing throughout until he was subbed. The rest of the midfield played as individuals rather than as a unit, we created nothing through midfield at all.
I don't need to say any more, yes we had a bit of decent wing play, some decent crosses even albeit no one was anywhere near them.
From a team point of view, the collective ineptness yesterday was the worst I have seen from Town in a long time. I don't know why, it just seems every player was in panic mode to get rid of the ball asap. we continually lofted high balls up the field and Coventry just gobbled up 90% of them and regained possession...they won all the headers all over the pitch it seemed apart from maybe those in our own box.
All 11 players were inferior to the opposite number on the day..abd my biggest bugbear, where are the leaders on the pitch. Hogg, as captain, is no leader of men...but where were the more senior players who'd sat through the pre match instructions and just watched the chaos in front of them without saying a word ?
I know the blend of the team is rubbish, with has beens and B team players, it just hasn't gelled all season..something is fundamentally wrong, obviously. I can't believe that yesterday was a Warnock performance ..he's better than that..so what happened ? I just don't get the chaos on the pitch we've all witnessed.
Come Tuesday, all could change..a nice 3-0 win might restore our wilted faith a bit..I hope so, but at this moment it's just so depressing ..
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 5, 2023 11:27:37 GMT 1
I just don't see where we go from here, yesterday was a real huge hammer blow, the players arengood enough, if Warnock can't get a tune out of them then we're fooked. If Warnock finds a way to get the points required from this group it will be his best ever achievement in management. I have seldom seen such ineptitude from a group of Town players. The lack of base ability, required at this level, was genuinely shocking. I know we have been poor all season but yesterday laid bear how utterly hopeless we are, and our situation is. Where do we go from here? League One is the obvious destination, and we'll deserve it. It requires a real footballing miracle for this to turn round. It requires the first 10 minutes yesterday to be replicated for longer. It was simple closing, workrate and support of the ball in posession. No idea why we then back off to the halfway line and allow the opposition to start every attack from there without a challenge.? We really do need to get the first goal if we are going to drop off whatever. I know Hungbo and Diarra lose the ball but its further up the pitch, it rarely involves a backward pass or the third square pass that eventually gets picked off. We didnt lose badly yesterday by being too brave, its usually a poor pass which didnt need making or poor control/out muscled from one negative pass too many. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 5, 2023 11:50:04 GMT 1
I agree with the comments re playing the long ball.
What’s pertinent in my view, is that we have failed to sign a proper target man for years.
It’s disheartening watching us not been able to compete for headers up front.
I bet we are the only team in the Championship who are not able to adopt this tactic.
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Post by hthp on Mar 5, 2023 12:04:48 GMT 1
We have a strikeforce of Danny Ward, Jordan Rhodes, Tyreece Simpson and Martyn Waghorn and we wonder why we're bottom of the table?
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 5, 2023 12:11:36 GMT 1
I don't wonder why we're bottom of the table, we're fucking 95% shite.
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Post by ram on Mar 5, 2023 12:15:17 GMT 1
I have a poster over my kitchen door,it is a quote from Bill Shankley "Some think that football is a matter of life and death,I can assure them it is far more serious than that"..This should be etched onto the foreheads of our so called footballers. ..and incidentally the plural of Dummy is d Dummies.  |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Mar 5, 2023 12:33:05 GMT 1
Did Ward win any aerial duels yesterday? Why did we constantly hit it long to him? Their defence must have been rubbing their hands when they saw what we were trying to do over and over again. He's 5'11" so common sense says he'll lose out most of the time against big defenders. He's not a target man FFS!
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Post by Moooooy on Mar 5, 2023 12:35:04 GMT 1
We have a strikeforce of Danny Ward, Jordan Rhodes, Tyreece Simpson and Martyn Waghorn and we wonder why we're bottom of the table? And a midfield of Hogg, High, Rudoni, Kasumu and Camara. One of the worst to ever grace the Championship. |
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Post by prepare on Mar 5, 2023 12:37:01 GMT 1
individual errors cost us there was no lack of effort we just lack the quality that is needed and that is another story !! No lack of effort? Seriously? Don't get me wrong, effort has been evident this season. But yesterday, there was zero apart from Hungbo. You set a really low bar I'm afraid. I don’t but it’s all about opinions utt |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2023 12:40:28 GMT 1
Have to agree, would be interested to see which games these 17 points are coming from!!. Yep, not a chance can we go from accruing 0.9 points a game to 1.4. |
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Post by jackandjillupthehill on Mar 5, 2023 12:42:11 GMT 1
kamberi whats happened to him
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Post by Jack on Mar 5, 2023 12:50:10 GMT 1
Looking on the bright side from yesterday.... yes, really.
Bilko - not really at fault for any of the goals. Looks a promising keeper. Distribution is improving and always looking to release it quickly. No qualms if he replaces Nichols regardless of what league we're in next year.
Lees/Pearson/Helik - all solid players, haven't turned into bad footballers overnight. Just need a ball playing DCM or some decent full backs to distribute it to. Not sure I like seeing all 3 on the field at the same time mind.
Camara - need this kid in over High. Offers much more creativity.
Headley - definitely some good potential here.
Hungbo - looks lively. Class above other players.
Diarra - rough around the edges but things happen when he gets the ball. An unpolished diamond. Good option as an impact sub last 20 minutes.
Ward - tireless running, just needs the service/support.
Simpson - definitely gives another option. Would like to see him start Tuesday alongside Ward/Rhodes. Shake things up a bit.
Knockart - still to really come into the side. Will only improve us.
Team for Tuesday....
Bilko
Lowton
Pearson/Lee's
Helik
Headley/Ruffels
Hogg/Kasumu
Camara
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Knockart
Simpson
Rhodes/Ward
Bench: Rudomi, Diarra, etc..
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Post by wildhogg on Mar 5, 2023 12:56:56 GMT 1
Looking on the bright side from yesterday.... yes, really. Bilko - not really at fault for any of the goals. Looks a promising keeper. Distribution is improving and always looking to release it quickly. No qualms if he replaces Nichols regardless of what league we're in next year. Lees/Pearson/Helik - all solid players, haven't turned into bad footballers overnight. Just need a ball playing DCM or some decent full backs to distribute it to. Not sure I like seeing all 3 on the field at the same time mind. Camara - need this kid in over High. Offers much more creativity. Headley - definitely some good potential here. Hungbo - looks lively. Class above other players. Diarra - rough around the edges but things happen when he gets the ball. An unpolished diamond. Good option as an impact sub last 20 minutes. Ward - tireless running, just needs the service/support. Simpson - definitely gives another option. Would like to see him start Tuesday alongside Ward/Rhodes. Shake things up a bit. Knockart - still to really come into the side. Will only improve us. Team for Tuesday.... Bilko Lowton Pearson/Lee's Helik Headley/Ruffels Hogg/Kasumu Camara Hungbo Knockart Simpson Rhodes/Ward Bench: Rudomi, Diarra, etc.. At the moment, Knockaert is proving to be an absolute waste of a signing. Recruited in early January yet he's played minimal minutes, missed a series of games and has no goals/no assists on his record. A great player 5 years ago, but he's clearly washed up (he wouldn't be here if he wasn't) and I can't see him making a greater contribution than current before the end of the season. Not the lad's fault, but the fault of the people/person who signed him. As for Kamberi, well....him and Knockaert are just indictments of what's been an utter disaster of a season. |
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Post by uw2ba on Mar 5, 2023 13:00:07 GMT 1
Looking on the bright side from yesterday.... yes, really. Bilko - not really at fault for any of the goals. Looks a promising keeper. Distribution is improving and always looking to release it quickly. No qualms if he replaces Nichols regardless of what league we're in next year. Lees/Pearson/Helik - all solid players, haven't turned into bad footballers overnight. Just need a ball playing DCM or some decent full backs to distribute it to. Not sure I like seeing all 3 on the field at the same time mind. Camara - need this kid in over High. Offers much more creativity. Headley - definitely some good potential here. Hungbo - looks lively. Class above other players. Diarra - rough around the edges but things happen when he gets the ball. An unpolished diamond. Good option as an impact sub last 20 minutes. Ward - tireless running, just needs the service/support. Simpson - definitely gives another option. Would like to see him start Tuesday alongside Ward/Rhodes. Shake things up a bit. Knockart - still to really come into the side. Will only improve us. Team for Tuesday.... Bilko Lowton Pearson/Lee's Helik Headley/Ruffels Hogg/Kasumu Camara Hungbo Knockart Simpson Rhodes/Ward Bench: Rudomi, Diarra, etc.. At the moment, Knockaert is proving to be an absolute waste of a signing. Recruited in early January yet he's played minimal minutes, missed a series of games and has no goals/no assists on his record. A great player 5 years ago, but he's clearly washed up (he wouldn't be here if he wasn't) and I can't see him making a greater contribution than current before the end of the season. Not the lad's fault, but the fault of the people/person who signed him. As for Kamberi, well....him and Knockaert are just indictments of what's been an utter disaster of a season. Didn't he set up koroma Vs Blackpool? He's done more in the little time he's played than rudoni has all season |
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Post by drumriggend on Mar 5, 2023 13:14:29 GMT 1
Was surprised by the Lack of atmosphere in the stadium yesterday..
Full away end making lots of noise but seemed to be no energy in the home crowd??
Limp performance by the team too..
Everything just seemed flat..
Walked out when the 3rd goal went in..
Can’t see how we come back from this..
Embarrassing performance ..
Poor owld Colin must wish he’d stopped on holiday..
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 5, 2023 13:23:42 GMT 1
Did Ward win any aerial duels yesterday? Why did we constantly hit it long to him? Their defence must have been rubbing their hands when they saw what we were trying to do over and over again. He's 5'11" so common sense says he'll lose out most of the time against big defenders. He's not a target man FFS! He did fuck all on the ground as well. Had a chance laid on a plate for him 10 yards out and couldn't even hit the target. He's had one good season for us but this season he's been crap. Time to ditch. |
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Post by CurlyWurly on Mar 5, 2023 13:29:52 GMT 1
I'm going to say it, because no one else will.
We've got worse since Fotheringham left.
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Post by dezzly on Mar 5, 2023 13:34:15 GMT 1
I'm going to say it, because no one else will. We've got worse since Fotheringham left. Attacking wise I’d say the very tiniest minute improvement.Defensively absolutely all over the gaff |
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Post by Moooooy on Mar 5, 2023 13:53:54 GMT 1
I'm going to say it, because no one else will. We've got worse since Fotheringham left. To be fair Fotheringham had 4 months with them, including a month long World Cup break, and we were bloody awful. Warnock was brought in 6 weeks too late, if he'd been brought in before January we would have had a much better chance, he could have got some of his own players in for a start. He had to change things to try and get us out of it but we just don't have the players capable of winning games regularly at this level. The blame does not lie with Schofield, Fotheringham, or Warnock, it is with the owner, the recruitment team, and the players who have been nothing short of a disgrace under 3 different managers. |
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Post by belvoirterrier15 on Mar 5, 2023 14:20:10 GMT 1
With the club a total shambles both on and off the field at the moment don't be surprised if Town stay in League One for only a single season before sinking in to League two. I am old enough to remember when we last fell down the leagues in rapid succession, it was hard to bare. Yesterday was totally and utterly unacceptable. The fact there was little or no booing and a mass silent walkout after 60 minutes confirms that many of the Town faithful, including myself, have had enough. Without a total clear out,both on and off the field this is only going to end one way. It is hard to believe that we are in this position having been in the playoff final less than a year ago. It has become very hard to take and is embarrassing how our club has become a laughing stock and an embarrassment. It is hard to see where another win is going to come from this season and how we can prevent ending the season at the bottom of the League table. Had NW been brought in at the start of our winnable fixtures like Blackpool, Hull and Wigan, even with this shower we might have been able to limp over the line. after yesterday however I feel our fate is well and truly sealed.
On a happier note however, happy birthday to Jimmy Nicholson my favourite player when I was first taken to see Town in the 60's.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 5, 2023 14:24:19 GMT 1
Just seen a quote from Robins.
“Huddersfield looked short of confidence and were there for the taking”
I’d normally be annoyed by that but he sums it up perfectly.
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Post by jqhtfc on Mar 5, 2023 14:40:38 GMT 1
Just seen a quote from Robins. “Huddersfield looked short of confidence and were there for the taking” I’d normally be annoyed by that but he sums it up perfectly. Robins said after his side’s 2-0 win on Saturday afternoon: “I thought it was a physical game in patches, but we saw these train in Spain, they were on the next pitch to us, and the way they train…they run.” World Cup break used wisely as well 🙄 |
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Post by onesteviekindon on Mar 6, 2023 6:33:36 GMT 1
The same thing happened back in the '70s. Won promotion to the top flight and then dropped like a stone to the bottom of division 4. I can see us going all the way once again. Never mind, by 2030 we will find another Mick Buxton to kick start the long road back. Was it irony, or an omen that Buxton did the h/t draw? I think they said most of the 79/80 team were guests in the White Rose club today as well. Glad we put on a show they’d have been proud of… 😂 We'd have done better by asking that lot to take the field. At least they knew how to try. |
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Post by 65terrier on Mar 6, 2023 6:41:01 GMT 1
Was it irony, or an omen that Buxton did the h/t draw? I think they said most of the 79/80 team were guests in the White Rose club today as well. Glad we put on a show they’d have been proud of… 😂 We'd have done better by asking that lot to take the field. At least they knew how to try. |
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