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Post by westislandterrier on Mar 2, 2023 0:15:13 GMT 1
The Times reckon they're facing a 12 point deduction if found guilty. Well hopefully they’re correct... And it’ll be a case of - The Times They Are A Changin’ - in The Championship points tallies and positions ! 👍 |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 2, 2023 1:04:14 GMT 1
Fans getting a chub on, thinking that a rival team being deducted points might help us stay in the league that we were 90 minutes away from leaving the right way less than a year ago?
Cheers DEANO 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 2, 2023 7:50:06 GMT 1
Surely if you get a six point deduction for your first offence then you get a bigger punishment for committing the same offence for a second time? That was my initial thought. The report suggests another 6 points but as you say, if you've continued cheating, then surely the penalty goes up to reflect that? That's what I'm hoping for with Birmingham |
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Post by rockwall on Mar 2, 2023 9:28:22 GMT 1
Would bring even more embarrassment to this season if it happened and meant we stayed up.
I would rather be known for staying up on our own merit than staying up because of another team deductions.
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Post by Dan on Mar 2, 2023 9:34:33 GMT 1
Would bring even more embarrassment to this season if it happened and meant we stayed up. I would rather be known for staying up on our own merit than staying up because of another team deductions. I honestly couldn't give a shit how we stay up as long as we do. Whether it's Reading being deducted 12 points for overspending, Cardiff and Swansea getting deducted 20 points for being Welsh or Rotherham losing 6 points down the back of the sofa. The season has been an absolute shitshow from one bad decision to another. Don't think we're in a position to pick and choose how we stay up, merit or not. |
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Post by rockwall on Mar 2, 2023 9:36:16 GMT 1
Would bring even more embarrassment to this season if it happened and meant we stayed up. I would rather be known for staying up on our own merit than staying up because of another team deductions. I honestly couldn't give a shit how we stay up as long as we do. Whether it's Reading being deducted 12 points for overspending, Cardiff and Swansea getting deducted 20 points for being Welsh or Rotherham losing 6 points down the back of the sofa. The season has been an absolute shitshow from one bad decision to another. Don't think we're in a position to pick and choose how we stay up, merit or not. If the points deduction keeps us up then I'm happy. Be nicer to do it on merit though wouldn't it? |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Mar 2, 2023 9:44:27 GMT 1
Would bring even more embarrassment to this season if it happened and meant we stayed up. I would rather be known for staying up on our own merit than staying up because of another team deductions. I wouldn’t |
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Post by runner76 on Mar 2, 2023 9:45:18 GMT 1
If its 6 and not 12 then I don’t think it makes any real difference to us. Unless they collapse because of it and drop into the bottom 3…..but don’t think they will
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Mar 2, 2023 10:08:50 GMT 1
If its 6 and not 12 then I don’t think it makes any real difference to us. Unless they collapse because of it and drop into the bottom 3…..but don’t think they will They have a pretty awful run in. Could easily be in the thick of it by Easter. Imagine if the last day is a winner stays up scenario 🤮 |
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Post by ruggedivy on Mar 2, 2023 10:14:21 GMT 1
If it is 12 points then im sure it won't be added until after the season is over and won't have an impact on relegation I’m sure Wigan got hit with a points deduction later on in the season than we are now! Suppose we’re clutching at any straws we can get hold of! 12 off would be lovely though! Wigans was a automatic one as they went into administration. This one is likely not as clear cut and may lead to arbitration |
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Post by softboy on Mar 2, 2023 10:19:58 GMT 1
If we stay up due to any other club getting a points deduction then I really don't mind at all.
Weren't Reading deducted 12 points last season for breaching rules with 6 suspended to be applied if they broke the rules again. If they now have then surely the 6 suspended is applied automatically as it is last years punishment and any new infringements subject to a new and seperate points deduction?
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 2, 2023 10:21:00 GMT 1
Would bring even more embarrassment to this season if it happened and meant we stayed up. I would rather be known for staying up on our own merit than staying up because of another team deductions. If Reading get a points deduction its because they've been cheating...ergo they wouldn't be where they are in the table if they hadnt cheated to be there. Maybe a 12 point deduction just puts them where they would have been without the cheating, so theres no 'merit' lost if that moves them below you IMO. |
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Post by rockwall on Mar 2, 2023 10:29:15 GMT 1
Would bring even more embarrassment to this season if it happened and meant we stayed up. I would rather be known for staying up on our own merit than staying up because of another team deductions. If Reading get a points deduction its because they've been cheating...ergo they wouldn't be where they are in the table if they hadnt cheated to be there. Maybe a 12 point deduction just puts them where they would have been without the cheating, so theres no 'merit' lost if that moves them below you IMO. Didn't think of it like that! |
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Post by Dan on Mar 2, 2023 10:32:21 GMT 1
If we stay up due to any other club getting a points deduction then I really don't mind at all. Weren't Reading deducted 12 points last season for breaching rules with 6 suspended to be applied if they broke the rules again. If they now have then surely the 6 suspended is applied automatically as it is last years punishment and any new infringements subject to a new and seperate points deduction? Exactly this. Can't see any way in which it will be 6. The 6 points suspended from last time plus any new points for the latest rule breach... |
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Post by ram on Mar 2, 2023 10:40:40 GMT 1
I will go out now and rob a bank.I will negotiate with the bank and police to keep half the money. Does this work in real life?
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 2, 2023 11:01:36 GMT 1
I doubt 'negotiations' is probably the right term for what Reading will be doing.
More 'pleading their case'... explaining what they see as any mitigating circumstances as to why theyre still over spending, cheating, etc.
You would think at last years hearing that the punishment if they did not put right what they were doing wrong, would have been made perfectly clear to them.
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Post by Tez on Mar 2, 2023 11:51:49 GMT 1
We shall see soon enough what the points deductions but in the mean time let’s start winning games Town!
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Mar 2, 2023 11:59:01 GMT 1
12 point deduction they’d still be fucking above us.
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Post by Tez on Mar 2, 2023 12:45:49 GMT 1
12 point deduction they’d still be fucking above us. Yep shows how crap we have been 🤣🤦🏼♂️😬 |
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Post by runner76 on Mar 2, 2023 14:12:47 GMT 1
12 point deduction they’d still be fucking above us. ..but then completely in the mix for relegation...... |
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Post by boooothy on Mar 2, 2023 15:20:51 GMT 1
Would bring even more embarrassment to this season if it happened and meant we stayed up. I would rather be known for staying up on our own merit than staying up because of another team deductions. That’s actually exactly what i’d like to happen (stay up by default ) i’d want those in charge to know they got us relegated, that they failed and what their decisions should have lead to. |
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Post by boooothy on Mar 2, 2023 15:22:29 GMT 1
12 point deduction they’d still be fucking above us. We only need to be within 3 points of them before the last game of the season. |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Mar 2, 2023 15:57:34 GMT 1
12 point deduction they’d still be fucking above us. We only need to be within 3 points of them before the last game of the season. Aye, what a turnaround that'd be - could be a relegation decider to Div 3 between the same teams who played for a place in the Premier League 6 years earlier! |
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Post by tockyterrier on Mar 4, 2023 0:17:10 GMT 1
As long as there is no monetary relationship to where you finish, other than promoted or relegated, I think the whole points deduction is a bit arbitory. Basically, if you are cheating and are doing well enough from doing so, there is only a slim chance that you will get a punishment of any consequence.
Where as if you cut you cloth accordingly and play to the rules, there is a very real chance indeed that you will get relegated.
Until, the punishment is straight relegation, there is no real deterant to an owner that is happy to splash the cash, regardless of whether they have the cash in the first place.
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Post by ram on Mar 4, 2023 11:05:53 GMT 1
Drowning man syndrome {clutching at straws}... The players need to buck their ideas up to save the club from Lge1
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 4, 2023 11:19:26 GMT 1
We only need to be within 3 points of them before the last game of the season. Aye, what a turnaround that'd be - could be a relegation decider to Div 3 between the same teams who played for a place in the Premier League 6 years earlier! Dont say Division 3 ever.😔 The First Division is First😃 |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Mar 4, 2023 11:37:18 GMT 1
As long as there is no monetary relationship to where you finish, other than promoted or relegated, I think the whole points deduction is a bit arbitory. Basically, if you are cheating and are doing well enough from doing so, there is only a slim chance that you will get a punishment of any consequence. Where as if you cut you cloth accordingly and play to the rules, there is a very real chance indeed that you will get relegated. Until, the punishment is straight relegation, there is no real deterant to an owner that is happy to splash the cash, regardless of whether they have the cash in the first place. Agree in principle, but makes me think about another point: clubs whose owners splash money about underhandedly seems only to affect teams who end up in a relegation struggle, but not so much clubs going for promotion. I wonder why that is? I mean plenty of teams get relegated after points deductions, but not many have a championship, promotion or a play-off place taken away through a points deduction. Seems that way to me at any rate. I think Leeds still managed to get to the Div 3 play-offs a few years ago despite a big points deduction (15 points, but can't remember whether they still went up or not), but can't think of any more examples. Will be interesting to see what happens Man City of course.. |
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Mar 4, 2023 11:39:04 GMT 1
Aye, what a turnaround that'd be - could be a relegation decider to Div 3 between the same teams who played for a place in the Premier League 6 years earlier! Dont say Division 3 ever.😔 The First Division is First😃 Is it OK to mention Leeds in Division 3, like I have just done coincidentally in my last post?  |
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Post by sabailand on Mar 4, 2023 11:42:42 GMT 1
Aye, what a turnaround that'd be - could be a relegation decider to Div 3 between the same teams who played for a place in the Premier League 6 years earlier! Dont say Division 3 ever.😔 The First Division is First😃 I often use the term third tier nowadays. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Mar 4, 2023 11:50:09 GMT 1
Aye, what a turnaround that'd be - could be a relegation decider to Div 3 between the same teams who played for a place in the Premier League 6 years earlier! Dont say Division 3 ever.😔 The First Division is First😃 It’s bloody confusing the way they constantly rebrand The Leagues ! When I started off supporting Town in 1980 it was... Division 1, Division 2, Division 3, Division 4, (Champions HTAFC) 🏆 - Simple And easy to describe - 👍 Then it went to... The Premiership, Division 1, Division 2, Division 3 -
And now it’s... The Premier League, The Championship, League 1, League 2 - Is it easier to now say... Top Tier, Second Tier, Third Tier, Fourth Tier - I don’t know and when I’m in Huddersfield, I usually try to assess the age of The HTAFC fans that I’m talking to and use what I think the branding was around when they’d be supporting Town to describe the Tier we were in... Must be a nightmare for the book writers how to best describe the chronological order of the League histories of recent years - but I think it was The Truly Excellent ‘99 Years and Counting’ or it’s sister publication that made the best effort that I’ve seen of what must be a nightmare to describe in print ! |
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