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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Mar 10, 2023 8:41:55 GMT 1
Pay day next week at which point I'll be putting an offer in
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Post by terriers321 on Mar 10, 2023 9:02:17 GMT 1
Seen is post and tweets about , Matt Southall, Christian Cordoba and mani Lopez are looking to purchase the club with Paul Richardson (the guy who fucked Birmingham over), the money is borrowed from a hedge fund in the states that is funded by a South American hedge fund. I think it’s totally bollocks especially with what Richardson did at Birmingham at the start of the season Not interested You might not be. Doesn't mean the idiots running the show arnt. What a complete shitshow this club is. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Mar 10, 2023 9:03:59 GMT 1
You might not be. Doesn't mean the idiots running the show arnt. What a complete shitshow this club is. To be fair i bet brum were cheap, if Hoyle wants all his money back we defo are not cheap. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 10, 2023 9:53:36 GMT 1
People willingly choose to have children. Doesnt mean that when the child starts screaming and bleating that their trainers only cost £30 and billy down the road's cost £100 and how unfair that is, that they arent out of order does it? Doubt many on here would put up with that from their kid but thats how they act when it comes to Hoyles money. he put himself up to be the owner ( thankfully and the clubs had a great spell in its history as a result ).. well how much of his money do you think that entitles the club to? Is there a figure on that or is it just a perpetual 'lots more' ? Last summer he should have offered to double his input if the fans agreed to do the same... because the football club is entitled to the fans money aswell !
Take the same business to back to where you found it but with an added in big debt included you will be very lucky to get out with anything.
You really have taken the "entitled" thing to heart. Thats exactly whats happened isnt it.. except the profit line, he never wanted or attempted that. many fans dont seem happy to go along with that principle though. They think its his duty to them and the club to leave his money in the club as a gift and to continue pumping in much more of his money annually on top of that, whilst they continually abuse him about it not being enough and for mistakes hes made. he chose to get involved.. no one forced him.....and that apparently means the club ,according to some of its fans.. the poor suffering victims shall we call them,,, , are entitled to however much of his money it takes to make their hobby more enjoyable. and that he possesses a time machine to ensure he doesnt make any bad decisions. The fans all chose to get involved too...no one forced them either. Lets all pay double what we do so the club can buy a better player?? Yeah right, join the long queue for that one! Think certain others have taken the entitled thing to heart.. its why they bitterly bring it up every other day. |
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Post by bradley1985 on Mar 10, 2023 10:05:46 GMT 1
A lot of us have seen town in the basement and were content with that life. From Huddersfield support Huddersfield, as my father and grandfather did, and always will. I don’t give two sh*ts who the chairman is, nor have I ever. I just want a successful football team to follow. Certainly not entitled and it’s offensive that the fan base is being painted like this. The vast majority of us had our best days following town in divisions lower than this.
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Post by ambryboy on Mar 10, 2023 10:09:44 GMT 1
I have read the posts on this thread and looking at the amount of money that has been reported by some as passing through the club it just seems incredible that we are in the position we are in today. The actual figures and the accuracy will be open to argument, but the figures once clarified will not make for happy reading for us fans. Some posters say that Dean is "entitled" to his money back, so I have been giving this a little thought. Dean bought a company and invested some money in it and took it to new hights. Since then he has taken this company back to where he found it, but now it has a large debt that the company can no longer manage on its new much lower turnover. On this basis I can not see how he can get his money back if we do return to League 1, if he is "entitled" to it or not. So how can he get his money back if this is where we end up? The only way I can think he will be able to do that is to invest in the club and get it back in to the Championship. This can be done but is not guaranteed and based on our last visit to League 1 it can take years to do this and the desire for someone to purchase a championship club in 10years may be dramatically different to what it is currently. The danger would be if the top six clubs in the Premiership disappear in to some European competitive league. If the most greedy of the greedy league do disappear the knock effect on value of Championship clubs would be for them to take a big dive in perceived value and lower TV money. For Dean to get his money back will not depend on his "entitlement" but down to hard commercial realism of the business world and a lot of luck. Steady on, someone will be along later to Slapp you down for such heresy. I do agree however that Hoyle has presided over a declining business and must therefore accept the financial consequences of that. |
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Post by Sio on Mar 10, 2023 10:21:20 GMT 1
Give it up slaps, you buy a business and then build it up and improve it you can expect to get a profit.
Take the same business to back to where you found it but with an added in big debt included you will be very lucky to get out with anything.
You really have taken the "entitled" thing to heart. Thats exactly whats happened isnt it.. except the profit line, he never wanted or attempted that. many fans dont seem happy to go along with that principle though. They think its his duty to them and the club to leave his money in the club as a gift and to continue pumping in much more of his money annually on top of that, whilst they continually abuse him about it not being enough and for mistakes hes made. he chose to get involved.. no one forced him.....and that apparently means the club ,according to some of its fans.. the poor suffering victims shall we call them,,, , are entitled to however much of his money it takes to make their hobby more enjoyable. and that he possesses a time machine to ensure he doesnt make any bad decisions. The fans all chose to get involved too...no one forced them either. Lets all pay double what we do so the club can buy a better player?? Yeah right, join the long queue for that one! Think certain others have taken the entitled thing to heart.. its why they bitterly bring it up every other day. I'm actually convinced you're Dean Hoyle. |
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Post by k1man999 on Mar 10, 2023 10:40:37 GMT 1
Give it up slaps, you buy a business and then build it up and improve it you can expect to get a profit.
Take the same business to back to where you found it but with an added in big debt included you will be very lucky to get out with anything.
You really have taken the "entitled" thing to heart. Thats exactly whats happened isnt it.. except the profit line, he never wanted or attempted that. many fans dont seem happy to go along with that principle though. They think its his duty to them and the club to leave his money in the club as a gift and to continue pumping in much more of his money annually on top of that, whilst they continually abuse him about it not being enough and for mistakes hes made. he chose to get involved.. no one forced him.....and that apparently means the club ,according to some of its fans.. the poor suffering victims shall we call them,,, , are entitled to however much of his money it takes to make their hobby more enjoyable. and that he possesses a time machine to ensure he doesnt make any bad decisions. The fans all chose to get involved too...no one forced them either. Lets all pay double what we do so the club can buy a better player?? Yeah right, join the long queue for that one! Think certain others have taken the entitled thing to heart.. its why they bitterly bring it up every other day. Thing is if the club had been run properly after we got to prem DH would not be needing to lose/pump more money into the club It's because of his decisions that we are where we are. Yes he put money in to get us there (although he did say whilst doing this he didn't expect the money back) If he wanted the money back he should of taken it then, then he and the club could have started from a positive position ie deano got his cash town didn't owe anyone So any outstanding monies earned would have been the clubs. We seem to be in a position of being royally fkd by people who claim to be fans. Just hope Colin can perform a Jesus type miracle coz I fear for us. |
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Post by ram on Mar 10, 2023 11:06:39 GMT 1
A lot of us have seen town in the basement and were content with that life. From Huddersfield support Huddersfield, as my father and grandfather did, and always will. I don’t give two sh*ts who the chairman is, nor have I ever. I just want a successful football team to follow. Certainly not entitled and it’s offensive that the fan base is being painted like this. The vast majority of us had our best days following town in divisions lower than this. There are 2 posters on here who,when I see their avatars,I just scroll past them.I am "entitled" to do exactly that. Not you of course Bradley. |
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Post by efesodje23 on Mar 10, 2023 11:14:12 GMT 1
Do you think we can get back to discussing administration or are we all going to carry on filling each page with squabbles that 5 year olds would do
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Post by htfc1908 on Mar 10, 2023 11:20:57 GMT 1
Pay day next week at which point I'll be putting an offer in To quote one of Dean's favoutite phrases he'll have 'had your pants down' if you pay more than £3.50 |
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Post by jackandjillupthehill on Mar 10, 2023 11:22:06 GMT 1
that captainslapper talks utter shite,just ignore
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Post by goodbet on Mar 10, 2023 11:22:26 GMT 1
Give it up slaps, you buy a business and then build it up and improve it you can expect to get a profit.
Take the same business to back to where you found it but with an added in big debt included you will be very lucky to get out with anything.
You really have taken the "entitled" thing to heart. Thats exactly whats happened isnt it.. except the profit line, he never wanted or attempted that. many fans dont seem happy to go along with that principle though. They think its his duty to them and the club to leave his money in the club as a gift and to continue pumping in much more of his money annually on top of that, whilst they continually abuse him about it not being enough and for mistakes hes made. he chose to get involved.. no one forced him.....and that apparently means the club ,according to some of its fans.. the poor suffering victims shall we call them,,, , are entitled to however much of his money it takes to make their hobby more enjoyable. and that he possesses a time machine to ensure he doesnt make any bad decisions. The fans all chose to get involved too...no one forced them either. Lets all pay double what we do so the club can buy a better player?? Yeah right, join the long queue for that one! Think certain others have taken the entitled thing to heart.. its why they bitterly bring it up every other day. He certainly has not gone for the profit line even though he had the opportunity we are led to believe when we were in the Premier League and towards the end of last season. He has reduced any funds he can receive from selling as a result of reducing his investment year on year in the club. This year when we took a giant step backwards really put the kibosh on any profit I would guess. I have to admit the entitled thing became really boring and just appeared to be a statement that could be brought out for a lack of a decent argument. The fans were excited and I can only say that I was as well. I was astonished when I saw how much we paid for full back, I thought that we would have to pay £8M to possibly £10M to get him. As for the rest of them I had never heard of them before and was like most fans quite shocked to see how they turned out. Wagner's first shot at bringing in players appears to have been thought out, we did not just cover the positions we needed we brought in 3 players that were club captains where we got them from. We seemed to have thought about pace and strength as well. Since that window we seen to have gone back to finding a round peg for a round hole, no thought seems to be given to the teams pace, strength or leadership. We also fell right away from following the Brentford model and even worse kept on buying old players way past their best with no sell on value. As for buying ex-Town players we seem to be totally mental. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Mar 10, 2023 11:31:41 GMT 1
Why does Hoyle feel he is entitled to the club’s money that we made via promotion to the PL + parachute payments? He spunked and wasted his own cash on Diakhaby and Mbenza’s galore, selling them for nothing. Not the club’s fault, but IMO he is entitled for wanting the club’s money.
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Post by townarentbest on Mar 10, 2023 11:44:22 GMT 1
Seen is post and tweets about , Matt Southall, Christian Cordoba and mani Lopez are looking to purchase the club with Paul Richardson (the guy who fucked Birmingham over), the money is borrowed from a hedge fund in the states that is funded by a South American hedge fund. I think it’s totally bollocks especially with what Richardson did at Birmingham at the start of the season What did he actually do? The snippets I read - he'd actually started funding Birmingham (despite not finalising a takeover) - and during the due diligence they uncovered an ongoing investigation into the current ownership structure, and challenges around them wanting to keep an umbrella holding company listed on the Hong Kong stock exchange. He couldn't work around that - so withdrew. (and then the EFL have charged them with something to do with him 'acting as a relevant person' without EFL approval - a bit like if a near future owner of Town was chucking money in and influencing operations of the club today). (I wonder if Dean is a 'relevant person' and has EFL approval, and I wonder if thats a partial reason as to why a CEO was appointed to take the business responsibility day-to-day) |
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Post by townarentbest on Mar 10, 2023 11:50:47 GMT 1
Why does Hoyle feel he is entitled to the club’s money that we made via promotion to the PL + parachute payments? He spunked and wasted his own cash on Diakhaby and Mbenza’s galore, selling them for nothing. Not the club’s fault, but IMO he is entitled for wanting the club’s money. Why do you think he feels that entitlement? He set up a structured repayment plan of his loans when the club unexpectedly reached a position where he could be repaid without any expected impediment to the ongoing competitiveness of the club on the football pitch. And then when that unexpected position was no longer the case, he stopped taking repayments, and actually started putting more IN to the club - to try and keep it viably operating whilst the hunt for new ownership could get underway. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2023 11:55:07 GMT 1
Why does Hoyle feel he is entitled to the club’s money that we made via promotion to the PL + parachute payments? He spunked and wasted his own cash on Diakhaby and Mbenza’s galore, selling them for nothing. Not the club’s fault, but IMO he is entitled for wanting the club’s mone Why does Hoyle feel he is entitled to the club’s money that we made via promotion to the PL + parachute payments? he doesn’t, he wants a fair amount back based on the extra he has had to put in to keep us in business. especially the money since PH had to pull out.
He spunked and wasted his own cash on Diakhaby and Mbenza’s galore, selling them for nothing. No he didn’t he spent the clubs money on Diakhaby and Mbenza and yes in hindsight it was a bad move and the people advising that these two would be good at the time were wrong, DH is not a player expert he employs people to do this job who failed.
Not the club’s fault, but IMO he is entitled for wanting the club’s money it is the clubs fault, doesn’t matter who the owner is the club is spending this money based on group decisions admittedly sanctioned by DH, Dean would be the first to admit he would do the premier league different if he could go back in time, however at the time the potential to establish ourselves as a top tier club was worth the risk and it was all calculated at the time. The problem now is nothing to do with Premier league but to do with PH and the money owed to PURE companies that is stopping us moving forward, DH has made a good offer to all concerned to sort this mess out and the ADMINS are refusing to take this offer or negotiate at this time, the only step now is admin for HTAFC unless the pure admins actually wake up and have some common sense and accept the deal on the table as for sure it will be better than they will get from Admin of HTAFC, the ball is in their court and time is running out.
Once DH writes his book or does an interview at some point when all is sorted and he can speak more freely many on here will change there minds and work out they were wrong.
Mistakes have been made this is not in doubt, every football club owner makes mistakes but I am 100% sure that none of the mistakes are made on purpose and number 1 for DH has always been safeguarding the future of HTAFC. There comes a time when you cant continue to throw money at it though especially when there is another option that will speed the whole process up without another penny being spent.
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Post by tepidterrier on Mar 10, 2023 11:59:27 GMT 1
Seen is post and tweets about , Matt Southall, Christian Cordoba and mani Lopez are looking to purchase the club with Paul Richardson (the guy who fucked Birmingham over), the money is borrowed from a hedge fund in the states that is funded by a South American hedge fund. I think it’s totally bollocks especially with what Richardson did at Birmingham at the start of the season doesn't sound dodgy at all that! American funds have tons of dirty investments in South America |
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Post by turbo2 on Mar 10, 2023 12:02:57 GMT 1
Why does Hoyle feel he is entitled to the club’s money that we made via promotion to the PL + parachute payments? He spunked and wasted his own cash on Diakhaby and Mbenza’s galore, selling them for nothing. Not the club’s fault, but IMO he is entitled for wanting the club’s money. Why do you think he feels that entitlement? He set up a structured repayment plan of his loans when the club unexpectedly reached a position where he could be repaid without any expected impediment to the ongoing competitiveness of the club on the football pitch. And then when that unexpected position was no longer the case, he stopped taking repayments, and actually started putting more IN to the club - to try and keep it viably operating whilst the hunt for new ownership could get underway. Sorry. He set up the claw back after we had received the first 200m and blown the lot and were left with a huge wage bill of utter shite unsellable dross. If he’d taken 20m first season within the budget and then when we stayed up done it again then fair dos. But he did it when we were in no real position to pay it back. |
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Post by prepare on Mar 10, 2023 12:03:07 GMT 1
A lot of us have seen town in the basement and were content with that life. From Huddersfield support Huddersfield, as my father and grandfather did, and always will. I don’t give two sh*ts who the chairman is, nor have I ever. I just want a successful football team to follow. Certainly not entitled and it’s offensive that the fan base is being painted like this. The vast majority of us had our best days following town in divisions lower than this. if you are a true fan you support them in any division on that there is no argument |
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Post by Sparrow on Mar 10, 2023 12:03:31 GMT 1
@htafc35 may I ask who the people were who advised DH on Diakhaby, Mbenza and others? From memory we have no DoF of HoF and our transfers were done by a Transfer Committee. I'd be interested to know who these advisers were and what their roles were at Town.
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Post by Huddy Town Black Sox on Mar 10, 2023 12:09:03 GMT 1
@htafc35 may I ask who the people were who advised DH on Diakhaby, Mbenza and others? From memory we have no DoF of HoF and our transfers were done by a Transfer Committee. I'd be interested to know who these advisers were and what their roles were at Town. Diakhaby, Mbenza and Lolo were from the book of the ex Celtic fella who didnt stay long and am sure he had left before we signed them ? I cant remember his name, Moss, maybe ? |
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Post by boooothy on Mar 10, 2023 12:12:27 GMT 1
We should just copy and paste a thread about Hoyle and Potless. I’m beyond caring who did what, i just want it sorted.
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Post by runner76 on Mar 10, 2023 12:16:46 GMT 1
We should just copy and paste a thread about Hoyle and Potless. I’m beyond caring who did what, i just want it sorted.  also, just to focus on what is in front of us and see if we can architect staying up whatever does or does not happen with admin, seeing as no points would be deducted this season anyway..... |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 10, 2023 12:22:38 GMT 1
Why does Hoyle feel he is entitled to the club’s money that we made via promotion to the PL + parachute payments? He spunked and wasted his own cash on Diakhaby and Mbenza’s galore, selling them for nothing. Not the club’s fault, but IMO he is entitled for wanting the club’s mone Why does Hoyle feel he is entitled to the club’s money that we made via promotion to the PL + parachute payments? he doesn’t, he wants a fair amount back based on the extra he has had to put in to keep us in business. especially the money since PH had to pull out.
He spunked and wasted his own cash on Diakhaby and Mbenza’s galore, selling them for nothing. No he didn’t he spent the clubs money on Diakhaby and Mbenza and yes in hindsight it was a bad move and the people advising that these two would be good at the time were wrong, DH is not a player expert he employs people to do this job who failed.
Not the club’s fault, but IMO he is entitled for wanting the club’s money it is the clubs fault, doesn’t matter who the owner is the club is spending this money based on group decisions admittedly sanctioned by DH, Dean would be the first to admit he would do the premier league different if he could go back in time, however at the time the potential to establish ourselves as a top tier club was worth the risk and it was all calculated at the time. The problem now is nothing to do with Premier league but to do with PH and the money owed to PURE companies that is stopping us moving forward, DH has made a good offer to all concerned to sort this mess out and the ADMINS are refusing to take this offer or negotiate at this time, the only step now is admin for HTAFC unless the pure admins actually wake up and have some common sense and accept the deal on the table as for sure it will be better than they will get from Admin of HTAFC, the ball is in their court and time is running out.
Once DH writes his book or does an interview at some point when all is sorted and he can speak more freely many on here will change there minds and work out they were wrong.
Mistakes have been made this is not in doubt, every football club owner makes mistakes but I am 100% sure that none of the mistakes are made on purpose and number 1 for DH has always been safeguarding the future of HTAFC. There comes a time when you cant continue to throw money at it though especially when there is another option that will speed the whole process up without another penny being spent.
I think there are some very fair points in here and I would be the first to accept that the mistakes were in no way malicious or negligent. They were however mistakes that could, in my view, have been avoided with some better planning and a longer term view. Has Harry Truman famously said "the buck stops here". To some degree I can accept that DH in ensuring the club is kept going is accepting that "buck" but the consequences of the poor decisions is far reaching. There is so much that could have been done differently/better. Some will say it is hindsight but some of us were expecting a structure that would have seen a more stable future for a number of seasons. The fact that didn't happen is the biggest mistake, in my view anyway. I think you also need to play the level of frustration there is in what has happened this season. We were two awful decisions from being back in the Premier League. We had very saleable assets in the team, that could have been offset against any proportional investment in replacing the players we lost. It was possible, in a sensible way, to support Carlos and see what he could do. The likelihood of taking that strategy would have been to be comfortably in the Championship (I don't think a top 6 challenge could be readily expected) and a much easier club to sell. It is true the issue with the Pure admins would have still been in place. If however you can attract a better offer for the club would that have not helped resolve that issue? (NB: I am speculating). For all our debate/disagreement/rancour this is, unfortunately, the situation we find ourselves in. As it stands none of us is certain when, or how, this will end. Whatever anyone's take on all this is it is absolutely not the fault of those who support Town. I make that point again because we are continually ignored and treated like we don't matter. This rhetoric that "we've had a good ride/had cheap tickets" is patronising nonsense. We are all feeling the relative pain of what we are witnessing. If we were trusted a bit more, like we used to be, and someone took time to explain why we are in the mess we are there maybe a more sympathetic/empathetic mindset. As it stands we are watching the train crash and can do absolutely nothing to stop it. |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 10, 2023 12:25:10 GMT 1
A lot of us have seen town in the basement and were content with that life. From Huddersfield support Huddersfield, as my father and grandfather did, and always will. I don’t give two sh*ts who the chairman is, nor have I ever. I just want a successful football team to follow. Certainly not entitled and it’s offensive that the fan base is being painted like this. The vast majority of us had our best days following town in divisions lower than this. if you are a true fan you support them in any division on that there is no argument I am sorry mate that is a bit naive. How many people want to support the team but currently feel alienated from the club? I have never felt so disheartened by what I have witnessed this season. I want to support the team, and show solidarity with my fellow fans, but I am disenfranchised with the club. |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 10, 2023 12:29:52 GMT 1
@htafc35 may I ask who the people were who advised DH on Diakhaby, Mbenza and others? From memory we have no DoF of HoF and our transfers were done by a Transfer Committee. I'd be interested to know who these advisers were and what their roles were at Town. There is enough evidence in the past few years in DH having a significant say in who we sign and not e.g. Lambert, not giving Gary Roberts a contract (both he admitted were mistakes). I make the point only to outline surely you employ football people to make football decisions and hold them to account? DH made the statement that he believed that at the start of the season this squad could achieve top 6. I don't think anyone agreed with that at the time, and so it has proved. For me it is a lesson he doesn't seem to have learned or he can't resist dabbling in matters he should have delegated. |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 10, 2023 12:31:09 GMT 1
Why does Hoyle feel he is entitled to the club’s money that we made via promotion to the PL + parachute payments? He spunked and wasted his own cash on Diakhaby and Mbenza’s galore, selling them for nothing. Not the club’s fault, but IMO he is entitled for wanting the club’s money. Why do you think he feels that entitlement? He set up a structured repayment plan of his loans when the club unexpectedly reached a position where he could be repaid without any expected impediment to the ongoing competitiveness of the club on the football pitch. And then when that unexpected position was no longer the case, he stopped taking repayments, and actually started putting more IN to the club - to try and keep it viably operating whilst the hunt for new ownership could get underway. So, whether he was "owed" it or not, taking £35m (or whatever it was) out of the football club would not impede its competitiveness on the pitch? That makes no sense at all. |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 10, 2023 12:32:06 GMT 1
You might not be. Doesn't mean the idiots running the show arnt. What a complete shitshow this club is. “This club” - replace that for Dean Hoyle and Phil Hodgkinson. Huddersfield Town FC is a fantastic club. Unfortunately a pair of shysters have left their grubby handprints all over it and caused untold damage. They aren't "shysters" but they are a couple of blokes who have lost sight of being custodians of the club and have allowed themselves to become more important (than the club). |
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Post by tepidterrier on Mar 10, 2023 12:42:46 GMT 1
@htafc35 may I ask who the people were who advised DH on Diakhaby, Mbenza and others? From memory we have no DoF of HoF and our transfers were done by a Transfer Committee. I'd be interested to know who these advisers were and what their roles were at Town. There is enough evidence in the past few years in DH having a significant say in who we sign and not e.g. Lambert, not giving Gary Roberts a contract (both he admitted were mistakes). I make the point only to outline surely you employ football people to make football decisions and hold them to account? DH made the statement that he believed that at the start of the season this squad could achieve top 6. I don't think anyone agreed with that at the time, and so it has proved. For me it is a lesson he doesn't seem to have learned or he can't resist dabbling in matters he should have delegated. Jack Hunt not coming back on loan because of Hoyle's personal grievances towards him is another. |
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