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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 27, 2023 9:45:26 GMT 1
I have disliked Dean Hoyle personally since he came on the radio and blamed the fans for the demise of Mark Robins in 2014. He lost me from that moment because the demise of Robins was purely down to him.However, I could distinguish the person from the chairman and always recognised what he'd done. The best chairman we've ever had, but not a particularly likeable person. I do think he changed, he was a breath of fresh air in 2008 and I believe that he had no ego, but the power and status helped him develop an ego. I also think his near death experience in 2018 made him into a hardened, bitter person. Not Robins or the players then? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 27, 2023 9:49:15 GMT 1
I would love to know the outcome of a poll, with a Hate D.H, or a Love D.H, with nothing inbetween. Would certainly be interesting. It would be 100% love wouldn't it surely? Even the ones who've been very critical of him would hate that way Id have thought. Any town fan voting hate must have some serious issues of their own IMO. |
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Post by hthp on Mar 27, 2023 9:59:57 GMT 1
I have disliked Dean Hoyle personally since he came on the radio and blamed the fans for the demise of Mark Robins in 2014. He lost me from that moment because the demise of Robins was purely down to him.However, I could distinguish the person from the chairman and always recognised what he'd done. The best chairman we've ever had, but not a particularly likeable person. I do think he changed, he was a breath of fresh air in 2008 and I believe that he had no ego, but the power and status helped him develop an ego. I also think his near death experience in 2018 made him into a hardened, bitter person. Not Robins or the players then? Nope. Hoyle didn't back Robins, in my opinion and just prior to the start of the 2014-15 season, Hoyle sacked all his backroom staff and hoisted Steve Thompson on him as assistant manager. It was clear the writing was on the wall then and Hoyle should have grown some bollocks and sacked him. But instead, he blamed the fans. |
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Post by DuffMan on Mar 27, 2023 10:03:48 GMT 1
Not Robins or the players then? Nope. Hoyle didn't back Robins, in my opinion and just prior to the start of the 2014-15 season, Hoyle sacked all his backroom staff and hoisted Steve Thompson on him as assistant manager. It was clear the writing was on the wall then and Hoyle should have grown some bollocks and sacked him. But instead, he blamed the fans. Robins quit 😂 how is that hoyles fault? |
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Post by hthp on Mar 27, 2023 10:06:06 GMT 1
Nope. Hoyle didn't back Robins, in my opinion and just prior to the start of the 2014-15 season, Hoyle sacked all his backroom staff and hoisted Steve Thompson on him as assistant manager. It was clear the writing was on the wall then and Hoyle should have grown some bollocks and sacked him. But instead, he blamed the fans. Robins quit 😂 how is that hoyles fault? As I've just explained. He didn't back him, he sacked all his backroom staff and we went into a new season with a squad that was so threadbare we had to play a midfielder at centre-half. Robins did indeed quit, how is that the fans' fault? |
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Post by DuffMan on Mar 27, 2023 10:07:13 GMT 1
Robins quit 😂 how is that hoyles fault? As I've just explained. He didn't back him, he sacked all his backroom staff and we went into a new season with a squad that was so threadbare we had to play a midfielder at centre-half. Robins did indeed quit, how is that the fans' fault? steve thompsons take “I had bumped into Mark Robins a few times towards the latter end of the season and when I heard that the Club was having a bit of a restructure, I got in touch with him and asked if there was anything that I could help him with,” he said. “We had played together at Leicester so we knew each other well and on the back of that call we got together and had a chat. “We spent three or four hours together during which he showed me around the impressive PPG Canalside and we struck up a relationship straight away; our ideas on the way that the game should be played are very similar. We have both got a rough idea of what system and way that we want the team to play next season. It was a very positive meeting and we both hope that we can bring success to a fantastic club.” Hoisted on him aye! |
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Post by hthp on Mar 27, 2023 10:07:41 GMT 1
Nope. Hoyle didn't back Robins, in my opinion and just prior to the start of the 2014-15 season, Hoyle sacked all his backroom staff and hoisted Steve Thompson on him as assistant manager. It was clear the writing was on the wall then and Hoyle should have grown some bollocks and sacked him. But instead, he blamed the fans. Robins quit 😂 how is that hoyles fault? here is steve thompsons take on what happened... “I had bumped into Mark Robins a few times towards the latter end of the season and when I heard that the Club was having a bit of a restructure, I got in touch with him and asked if there was anything that I could help him with,” he said. “We had played together at Leicester so we knew each other well and on the back of that call we got together and had a chat. “We spent three or four hours together during which he showed me around the impressive PPG Canalside and we struck up a relationship straight away; our ideas on the way that the game should be played are very similar. We have both got a rough idea of what system and way that we want the team to play next season. It was a very positive meeting and we both hope that we can bring success to a fantastic club.” Hoisted on him aye!Did Hoyle sack his backroom staff. Yes or no? |
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Post by DuffMan on Mar 27, 2023 10:08:30 GMT 1
Robins quit 😂 how is that hoyles fault? here is steve thompsons take on what happened... “I had bumped into Mark Robins a few times towards the latter end of the season and when I heard that the Club was having a bit of a restructure, I got in touch with him and asked if there was anything that I could help him with,” he said. “We had played together at Leicester so we knew each other well and on the back of that call we got together and had a chat. “We spent three or four hours together during which he showed me around the impressive PPG Canalside and we struck up a relationship straight away; our ideas on the way that the game should be played are very similar. We have both got a rough idea of what system and way that we want the team to play next season. It was a very positive meeting and we both hope that we can bring success to a fantastic club.” Hoisted on him aye!Did Hoyle sack his backroom staff. Yes or no? I don't know, why would I know. I doubt you know the whole truth either. |
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Post by hthp on Mar 27, 2023 10:09:21 GMT 1
Did Hoyle sack his backroom staff. Yes or no? I don't know, why would I know. I doubt you know the whole truth either. Well you seem to be the expert seeing as though you've decided to get involved? |
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Post by DuffMan on Mar 27, 2023 10:11:16 GMT 1
I don't know, why would I know. I doubt you know the whole truth either. Well you seem to be the expert seeing as though you've decided to get involved? I'm not an expert I simply googled steve thompson huddersfield on the back of your claim he was hoisted on robins and quickly found evidence that it wasn't the whole truth. If hoyle wanted robins out he would have just sacked him, never did he have a problem sacking a manager |
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Post by hthp on Mar 27, 2023 10:13:09 GMT 1
Well you seem to be the expert seeing as though you've decided to get involved? I'm not an expert I simply googled steve thompson huddersfield on the back of your claim he was hoisted on robins and quickly found evidence that it wasn't the whole truth. If hoyle wanted robins out he would have just sacked him, never did he have a problem sacking a manager Maybe you can Google about Hoyle sacking Steve Taylor and Darren Robinson? |
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Post by goodbet on Mar 27, 2023 10:14:02 GMT 1
As I've just explained. He didn't back him, he sacked all his backroom staff and we went into a new season with a squad that was so threadbare we had to play a midfielder at centre-half. Robins did indeed quit, how is that the fans' fault? steve thompsons take “I had bumped into Mark Robins a few times towards the latter end of the season and when I heard that the Club was having a bit of a restructure, I got in touch with him and asked if there was anything that I could help him with,” he said. “We had played together at Leicester so we knew each other well and on the back of that call we got together and had a chat. “We spent three or four hours together during which he showed me around the impressive PPG Canalside and we struck up a relationship straight away; our ideas on the way that the game should be played are very similar. We have both got a rough idea of what system and way that we want the team to play next season. It was a very positive meeting and we both hope that we can bring success to a fantastic club.” Hoisted on him aye! What do you think someone is going to say I thought that Robin's was bobbins and I thought he was a complete dead loss. Career over for Steve. Did we have Canalside then? |
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Post by DuffMan on Mar 27, 2023 10:15:15 GMT 1
steve thompsons take “I had bumped into Mark Robins a few times towards the latter end of the season and when I heard that the Club was having a bit of a restructure, I got in touch with him and asked if there was anything that I could help him with,” he said. “We had played together at Leicester so we knew each other well and on the back of that call we got together and had a chat. “We spent three or four hours together during which he showed me around the impressive PPG Canalside and we struck up a relationship straight away; our ideas on the way that the game should be played are very similar. We have both got a rough idea of what system and way that we want the team to play next season. It was a very positive meeting and we both hope that we can bring success to a fantastic club.” Hoisted on him aye! What do you think someone is going to say I thought that Robin's was bobbins and I thought he was a complete dead loss. Career over for Steve. Did we have Canalside then? I don't know it is off the official site 😂 |
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Post by ram on Mar 27, 2023 10:15:58 GMT 1
If,as stated elsewhere, Dean Hoyle is not getting anything from the sale,what exactly have the new owners bought? has anyone mentioned how much he got for the shares yet ? That information is for GHQ only to know it seems. |
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Post by hthp on Mar 27, 2023 10:16:00 GMT 1
steve thompsons take “I had bumped into Mark Robins a few times towards the latter end of the season and when I heard that the Club was having a bit of a restructure, I got in touch with him and asked if there was anything that I could help him with,” he said. “We had played together at Leicester so we knew each other well and on the back of that call we got together and had a chat. “We spent three or four hours together during which he showed me around the impressive PPG Canalside and we struck up a relationship straight away; our ideas on the way that the game should be played are very similar. We have both got a rough idea of what system and way that we want the team to play next season. It was a very positive meeting and we both hope that we can bring success to a fantastic club.” Hoisted on him aye! What do you think someone is going to say I thought that Robin's was bobbins and I thought he was a complete dead loss. Career over for Steve. Did we have Canalside then? Yeah. "Dean has appointed me because the chairman has sacked his previous assistant". |
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Post by DuffMan on Mar 27, 2023 10:18:02 GMT 1
I'm not an expert I simply googled steve thompson huddersfield on the back of your claim he was hoisted on robins and quickly found evidence that it wasn't the whole truth. If hoyle wanted robins out he would have just sacked him, never did he have a problem sacking a manager Maybe you can Google about Hoyle sacking Steve Taylor and Darren Robinson? Here we go, apologies you are right, but as this was not trying to force him out have you embellished that bit? Hoyle remembered: “I remember I was actually on holiday and Nigel (then-chief executive Nigel Clibbens) gave me a ring and said ‘Dean, Mark’s gone’. I said ‘where’s Mark gone?’, he says ‘he’s just walked out, he’s just went’. “But that summer we made him get rid of his number two because it wasn’t working. It was mates, it wasn’t right. Steve Thompson was fine but it just unsettled Mark, he just couldn’t handle it. “To be fair to Mark, I really rate Mark as a technical manager, but it just didn’t work out for us.” |
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Post by hthp on Mar 27, 2023 10:21:45 GMT 1
Maybe you can Google about Hoyle sacking Steve Taylor and Darren Robinson? Hoyle remembered: “I remember I was actually on holiday and Nigel (then-chief executive Nigel Clibbens) gave me a ring and said ‘Dean, Mark’s gone’. I said ‘where’s Mark gone?’, he says ‘he’s just walked out, he’s just went’. “But that summer we made him get rid of his number two because it wasn’t working. It was mates, it wasn’t right. Steve Thompson was fine but it just unsettled Mark, he just couldn’t handle it. “To be fair to Mark, I really rate Mark as a technical manager, but it just didn’t work out for us.” I never said that. I said that Hoyle didn't back him. Sacking his backroom staff isn't backing the manager, in my opinion. Even in your quote, Hoyle acknowledges that Steve Thompson's appointment unsettled Robins and that Hoyle sacked the previous assistant. I'll ask again, how were the fans to blame for this? |
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Post by DuffMan on Mar 27, 2023 10:25:37 GMT 1
I don't think we were to blame for it personally, but if someone has that opinion it wouldn't surprise me nor would it offend me as we are a hard bunch to please.
I think Robins realised he'd probably (barring a miracle) taken us as far as he could with the budget he had, the fans, Dean Hoyle, the budgets etc will have all had an influence on his decision.
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Post by detox on Mar 27, 2023 10:29:37 GMT 1
has anyone mentioned how much he got for the shares yet ? That information is for GHQ only to know it seems. well I'll have a little guess that he's received around £10m-£20m for the 100% shareholding...a club with no debt doesn't get sold for £1. |
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Post by RickDangerous on Mar 27, 2023 10:33:23 GMT 1
Robins quit 😂 how is that hoyles fault? As I've just explained. He didn't back him, he sacked all his backroom staff and we went into a new season with a squad that was so threadbare we had to play a midfielder at centre-half. Robins did indeed quit, how is that the fans' fault? He didnt have to do that, that was purely to try make a point. I agree with the other stuff but we had other centre backs available that day. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 27, 2023 10:47:55 GMT 1
When you say Hoyle didnt back Robins... during his time we smashed our transfer record to buy Nikki Wells for £1.3m or something,,, bought Vaughan from Norwich for about £700k , bought Stead back.. Lolley for £350k, Hammill from wolves...Hogg for £600k.. the list goes on.
Players of note we lost were Hunt..and Clayton in the summer of 2014..( we hadn't replaced Clayton with Butterfield by the time Robins resigned )
Dont think its accurate to say Robins hadnt been backed. Not in terms of players anyway.
As for the coaching team, maybe Robins also thought they needed a change? Sounds like he selected the replacement.
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Post by hthp on Mar 27, 2023 10:52:39 GMT 1
When you say Hoyle didnt back Robins... during his time we smashed our transfer record to buy Nikki Wells for £1.3m or something,,, bought Vaughan from Norwich for about £700k , bought Stead back.. Lolley for £350k, Hammill from wolves...Hogg for £600k.. the list goes on. Players of note we lost were Hunt..and Clayton in the summer of 2014..( we hadn't replaced Clayton with Butterfield by the time Robins resigned ) Dont think its accurate to say Robins hadnt been backed. Not in terms of players anyway. As for the coaching team, maybe Robins also thought they needed a change? Sounds like he selected the replacement. Okay. Despite Hoyle admitting that the club made Robins get rid of the backroom team, he's still completely blameless in the situation according to you and it was Robins that instigated it! Your fierce defence of the man on literally every single matter is quite tiresome. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 11:05:55 GMT 1
When you say Hoyle didnt back Robins... during his time we smashed our transfer record to buy Nikki Wells for £1.3m or something,,, bought Vaughan from Norwich for about £700k , bought Stead back.. Lolley for £350k, Hammill from wolves...Hogg for £600k.. the list goes on. Players of note we lost were Hunt..and Clayton in the summer of 2014..( we hadn't replaced Clayton with Butterfield by the time Robins resigned ) Dont think its accurate to say Robins hadnt been backed. Not in terms of players anyway. As for the coaching team, maybe Robins also thought they needed a change? Sounds like he selected the replacement. I think the original premise may be a bit simple. Relationships at football clubs can be complicated. Getting rid of someone’s number 2 is pretty severe though, and quite unusual. It reflects on the manager when his chosen assistant isn’t deemed good enough. Unusual for them not to both go. We, as fans, have been unhappy with managers and players over the years, and we usually let them know. It may have been a combination of things but Dean obviously had doubts about them. Football can be a funny old game though. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 11:08:04 GMT 1
When you say Hoyle didnt back Robins... during his time we smashed our transfer record to buy Nikki Wells for £1.3m or something,,, bought Vaughan from Norwich for about £700k , bought Stead back.. Lolley for £350k, Hammill from wolves...Hogg for £600k.. the list goes on. Players of note we lost were Hunt..and Clayton in the summer of 2014..( we hadn't replaced Clayton with Butterfield by the time Robins resigned ) Dont think its accurate to say Robins hadnt been backed. Not in terms of players anyway. As for the coaching team, maybe Robins also thought they needed a change? Sounds like he selected the replacement. Okay. Despite Hoyle admitting that the club made Robins get rid of the backroom team, he's still completely blameless in the situation according to you and it was Robins that instigated it! Your fierce defence of the man on literally every single matter is quite tiresome. It is possibly a reaction to all the shit that gets thrown at him now. There is rarely a post where Hoyle doesn’t get a mention, and it is usually a dig. Perhaps Captain is trying to get some balance. |
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Post by DuffMan on Mar 27, 2023 11:11:11 GMT 1
When you say Hoyle didnt back Robins... during his time we smashed our transfer record to buy Nikki Wells for £1.3m or something,,, bought Vaughan from Norwich for about £700k , bought Stead back.. Lolley for £350k, Hammill from wolves...Hogg for £600k.. the list goes on. Players of note we lost were Hunt..and Clayton in the summer of 2014..( we hadn't replaced Clayton with Butterfield by the time Robins resigned ) Dont think its accurate to say Robins hadnt been backed. Not in terms of players anyway. As for the coaching team, maybe Robins also thought they needed a change? Sounds like he selected the replacement. Okay. Despite Hoyle admitting that the club made Robins get rid of the backroom team, he's still completely blameless in the situation according to you and it was Robins that instigated it! Your fierce defence of the man on literally every single matter is quite tiresome. I agree with that point that some defend Hoyle tirelessly and it stifles debate, on the other side of the coin some are going for him relentlessly and in the end the truth is somewhere in between. I have posted the quote from Hoyle he did make him change his backroom staff but I also think it is a jump to make him sole to blame. Blaming the fans is a jump too, I think given that we played a team in bournemouth with 3 times our budget or something that season it is to be expected it would be a tough game but to lose 4-0 and not put up much of a fight the fans were well within their rights to boo or voice their disdain. I liked robins you could see what he was trying to do with the team but I knew plenty fans who thought it was dull under him, if only we'd known what was coming after him you could have classed robins style as gung ho! |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 27, 2023 11:11:17 GMT 1
When you say Hoyle didnt back Robins... during his time we smashed our transfer record to buy Nikki Wells for £1.3m or something,,, bought Vaughan from Norwich for about £700k , bought Stead back.. Lolley for £350k, Hammill from wolves...Hogg for £600k.. the list goes on. Players of note we lost were Hunt..and Clayton in the summer of 2014..( we hadn't replaced Clayton with Butterfield by the time Robins resigned ) Dont think its accurate to say Robins hadnt been backed. Not in terms of players anyway. As for the coaching team, maybe Robins also thought they needed a change? Sounds like he selected the replacement. £400k for Hogg, £600k for Vaughan |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 27, 2023 11:12:27 GMT 1
Pretty sure Hogg was £600k
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 27, 2023 11:15:03 GMT 1
Pretty sure Hogg was £600k The figures I've quoted was what our Lord and Saviour(😉) gave at a Q&A at Canalside. |
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Post by goodbet on Mar 27, 2023 11:15:11 GMT 1
Okay. Despite Hoyle admitting that the club made Robins get rid of the backroom team, he's still completely blameless in the situation according to you and it was Robins that instigated it! Your fierce defence of the man on literally every single matter is quite tiresome. It is possibly a reaction to all the shit that gets thrown at him now. There is rarely a post where Hoyle doesn’t get a mention, and it is usually a dig. Perhaps Captain is trying to get some balance. Captain & Balance  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 27, 2023 11:20:20 GMT 1
When you say Hoyle didnt back Robins... during his time we smashed our transfer record to buy Nikki Wells for £1.3m or something,,, bought Vaughan from Norwich for about £700k , bought Stead back.. Lolley for £350k, Hammill from wolves...Hogg for £600k.. the list goes on. Players of note we lost were Hunt..and Clayton in the summer of 2014..( we hadn't replaced Clayton with Butterfield by the time Robins resigned ) Dont think its accurate to say Robins hadnt been backed. Not in terms of players anyway. As for the coaching team, maybe Robins also thought they needed a change? Sounds like he selected the replacement. Okay. Despite Hoyle admitting that the club made Robins get rid of the backroom team, he's still completely blameless in the situation according to you and it was Robins that instigated it! Your fierce defence of the man on literally every single matter is quite tiresome. Im just pointing out all the players Robins was backed with, which was a lot. And that he himself chose the coaching replacement rather than Hoyle 'hoisting' one on him like you said. If someone challenging your claims is tiresome then DATM might not be for you. After a great start Robins came within a cock hair of taking us down.. seemed to have lost the dressing room and started the next season by being thumped at home. the players were clearly not on board with him for whatever reason and to his credit Robins decided the best thing was to part company. But claiming he wasnt backed is nonsense. |
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