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Post by rockwall on May 1, 2023 13:34:44 GMT 1
Really hope we don't keep Ruffels. It will be a clear indicator of what sort of investment we're looking at He's done ok since Warnock came in but does far too many amateur things which you just can't be doing at this level. His awful play lead to the corner from which they scored yesterday, it should never have happened and could have been so costly after looking so comfortable Or we just defend the corner better...
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 1, 2023 13:35:10 GMT 1
Next seasons team should look something like this for me. (Based on us playing similar to now). Nichols Pearson Helick [new CB] Turton. [New CDM] Headley Rudoni. [New CM] [New Cam] [New CF] Bilo Hogg Lees Kasumu Jones Simpson/Harratt Diarra Bench has to be better than that. If that's our first choice back up then we'll once again be fighting relegation if we suffer a few injuries
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Post by CurlyWurly on May 1, 2023 13:56:13 GMT 1
Next seasons team should look something like this for me. (Based on us playing similar to now). Nichols Pearson Helick [new CB] Turton. [New CDM] Headley Rudoni. [New CM] [New Cam] [New CF] Bilo Hogg Lees Kasumu Jones Simpson/Harratt Diarra Bench has to be better than that. If that's our first choice back up then we'll once again be fighting relegation if we suffer a few injuries Yeah fair point. Hopefully there's some investment as you're already looking at 5 starting players before you even look at the bench
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Post by exberlinerterrier on May 1, 2023 14:33:14 GMT 1
Next seasons team should look something like this for me. (Based on us playing similar to now). Nichols Pearson Helick [new CB] Turton. [New CDM] Headley Rudoni. [New CM] [New Cam] [New CF] Bilo Hogg Lees Kasumu Jones Simpson/Harratt Diarra I think the starting XI and squad will have to be much stronger than that in order to not have a repeat of this season.
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Post by crux on May 1, 2023 14:34:12 GMT 1
Bench has to be better than that. If that's our first choice back up then we'll once again be fighting relegation if we suffer a few injuries Yeah fair point. Hopefully there's some investment as you're already looking at 5 starting players before you even look at the bench I hope Nakayama is fit for the start of the season, because Headley has done nothing yet to justify being picked!
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Post by Wingman on May 1, 2023 15:04:56 GMT 1
Clear the decks in the main of the out of contract lads.
Maybe look at Koroma on a years deal with a years option? Go for Hungbo, he could be decent with a run of games.
Can see Nicholls going so I’d be looking to a stopper to vie with Bilopakic for the starters jersey. Vaclik will go.
Try move on Sulky Sorba and Rhodes (if his wages are a blocker to signings) but if not, he’s good to have around.
Yuta, could see him going to free up wages. Would be a shame but possible.
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Post by rockwall on May 1, 2023 15:22:28 GMT 1
Next seasons team should look something like this for me. (Based on us playing similar to now). Nichols Pearson Helick [new CB] Turton. [New CDM] Headley Rudoni. [New CM] [New Cam] [New CF] Bilo Hogg Lees Kasumu Jones Simpson/Harratt Diarra I think the starting XI and squad will have to be much stronger than that in order to not have a repeat of this season. We need to be buying players for our 1st 11 now. None of this 'one for the future' or 'great squad player' Our bench should be made up of the players starting games now.
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Post by rockwall on May 1, 2023 15:23:10 GMT 1
Clear the decks in the main of the out of contract lads. Maybe look at Koroma on a years deal with a years option? Go for Hungbo, he could be decent with a run of games. Can see Nicholls going so I’d be looking to a stopper to vie with Bilopakic for the starters jersey. Vaclik will go. Try move on Sulky Sorba and Rhodes (if his wages are a blocker to signings) but if not, he’s good to have around. Yuta, could see him going to free up wages. Would be a shame but possible. Don't get why people think Nicholls will be going? This is the highest level where he has been the main keeper. He loves it here too.
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Post by Teddington Ted on May 1, 2023 15:47:38 GMT 1
Not sure. Clubs paying silly money to have a competent keeper sat on the bench. Such as Danny Ward for £12m. It would depend on if he thinks he’s reached a pinnacle and fancies a final pay day, could t blame him for doing so.
I can’t remember a summer where we had such uncertainty over funds available and calibre of signings we will be looking at. Im sure we’ll all moan whatever transpires!
Interesting to see Bromby sat next to Hoyle yesterday, presumably a sign that he’s still in the circle of trust.
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Post by omegasupreme on May 1, 2023 16:14:47 GMT 1
Really hope we don't keep Ruffels. It will be a clear indicator of what sort of investment we're looking at He's done ok since Warnock came in but does far too many amateur things which you just can't be doing at this level. His awful play lead to the corner from which they scored yesterday, it should never have happened and could have been so costly after looking so comfortable I agree. You have to consider that under Warnock, its very likely that he's currently playing as good as he is ever going to get (steady/ok). Also worth factoring in that with Jackson, Headley and Nakayama potentially coming back, do we really need him?
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Post by omegasupreme on May 1, 2023 16:17:55 GMT 1
Koroma gets a deal for me (year plus option). Ward also gets a year. Other than that, they can all go for me. A good chance to clear the decks, especially as a large number of them don't play! Ward is a tricky one. Wouldn't mind him as a 3rd or 4th choice option, but we absolutely cannot be so reliant on him like the last couple of seasons. Would really like to see significantly better striker signed if we are serious about improving.
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Post by Headless Chicken on May 1, 2023 16:32:43 GMT 1
Yeah fair point. Hopefully there's some investment as you're already looking at 5 starting players before you even look at the bench I hope Nakayama is fit for the start of the season, because Headley has done nothing yet to justify being picked! Nakayama isn't really a left back, rather a CB, even if LB is what he was primarily bought for. He's far better as left CB of a three. Personally thought Headley was looking really promising pre-injury and Warnock must rate him, putting him straight back in, and in attacking role over genuine attackers.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 1, 2023 16:39:25 GMT 1
Would be nice if Ruffells, Koroma and Hungbo stay, the rest can go to be honest.
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Post by pterrier on May 1, 2023 17:07:06 GMT 1
Yeah fair point. Hopefully there's some investment as you're already looking at 5 starting players before you even look at the bench I hope Nakayama is fit for the start of the season, because Headley has done nothing yet to justify being picked! Can you not remember how awful Nakayama was?
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on May 1, 2023 18:53:57 GMT 1
I hope Nakayama is fit for the start of the season, because Headley has done nothing yet to justify being picked! Can you not remember how awful Nakayama was? In fairness he never worked under a coach who knew what they were doing.
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Post by ldotm on May 1, 2023 18:54:04 GMT 1
Players that won't be here Next Season Ruffels Boyle Mahoney Aarons Vaclik Rhodes Ward All loanees apart from maybe Hungbo I’d keep Aaron’s and Mahoney, both been world class for us. Reliable, Consistent, Quality.
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Post by bluestripe on May 1, 2023 19:11:12 GMT 1
Not one of ours, but Sinani out of contract at Norwich. I know I'd be in the minority, but I wouldn't be averse to him coming back.
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Post by leroy212 on May 1, 2023 19:16:44 GMT 1
Not sure. Clubs paying silly money to have a competent keeper sat on the bench. Such as Danny Ward for £12m. It would depend on if he thinks he’s reached a pinnacle and fancies a final pay day, could t blame him for doing so. I can’t remember a summer where we had such uncertainty over funds available and calibre of signings we will be looking at. Im sure we’ll all moan whatever transpires! Interesting to see Bromby sat next to Hoyle yesterday, presumably a sign that he’s still in the circle of trust. That circle disappears when takeover is done though
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 1, 2023 19:43:32 GMT 1
I hope Nakayama is fit for the start of the season, because Headley has done nothing yet to justify being picked! Nakayama isn't really a left back, rather a CB, even if LB is what he was primarily bought for. He's far better as left CB of a three. Personally thought Headley was looking really promising pre-injury and Warnock must rate him, putting him straight back in, and in attacking role over genuine attackers. I'm not sure whether the comment by Crux is a serious one,if it is, I'd have to say he's been watching a different Headley to me. The lad does not look out of place in the starting 11.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 1, 2023 19:46:15 GMT 1
Clear the out of the out of contract players, loanees go back but I certainly would make enquiries about Hungbo, he's certainly worth bringing in full time. I would also offer Vaclik 1 year and loan out Bilokapic, get a years experience under his belt.
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Post by richhtfc on May 1, 2023 19:51:01 GMT 1
Players that won't be here Next Season Ruffels Boyle Mahoney Aarons Vaclik Rhodes Ward All loanees apart from maybe Hungbo No surprises really, see Ward has been linked with a return to Bolton. Hopefully we are trying to keep Koroma.
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Post by htafcokay on May 1, 2023 19:51:02 GMT 1
If we keep the vast majority of this squad, then don't be surprised if we're reappointing Warnock in February 2024.
There's a reason why we've been bottom of the table for the majority of the season and that's because the players aren't good enough. Don't be fooled into thinking that the likes of Koroma, Ward and Ruffels are brilliant players. They aren't, they never have been and never will be, Warnock has used his knack of making bad players average, and average players good.
What has Koroma done to deserve a new contract? He's been here four years and we've had about nine months out of him, we don't want to fall into the Simon Baldry trap here. Same as Ruffels, he's not very good and was a very poor replacement for Toffolo. Danny Ward is and always will be a very poor centre-forward who's had two good seasons in his whole career.
Hopefully the new owner has his head screwed on, or appoints someone who does, and we clear the decks and bring in a mostly new playing squad. Otherwise, we'll be struggling again next season.
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Post by htafc on May 1, 2023 19:51:39 GMT 1
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 1, 2023 19:58:50 GMT 1
Not one of ours, but Sinani out of contract at Norwich. I know I'd be in the minority, but I wouldn't be averse to him coming back. No thanks. Didn't rate him last season and got stick for it. Popping up with an assist or goal usually masked very poor performances where he would give the ball away far too easily. Corberan liked his defensive work which was decent to be fair. Norwich didn't rate him and Wigan haven't used him much either which supports what my eyes were telling me last season
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Post by Tinpot on May 1, 2023 21:49:40 GMT 1
Players that won't be here Next Season Ruffels Boyle Mahoney Aarons Vaclik Rhodes Ward All loanees apart from maybe Hungbo Mahoney still has another year on his contract. Who is going to take him?
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Post by Tinpot on May 1, 2023 21:51:47 GMT 1
If we keep the vast majority of this squad, then don't be surprised if we're reappointing Warnock in February 2024. There's a reason why we've been bottom of the table for the majority of the season and that's because the players aren't good enough. Don't be fooled into thinking that the likes of Koroma, Ward and Ruffels are brilliant players. They aren't, they never have been and never will be, Warnock has used his knack of making bad players average, and average players good. What has Koroma done to deserve a new contract? He's been here four years and we've had about nine months out of him, we don't want to fall into the Simon Baldry trap here. Same as Ruffels, he's not very good and was a very poor replacement for Toffolo. Danny Ward is and always will be a very poor centre-forward who's had two good seasons in his whole career. Hopefully the new owner has his head screwed on, or appoints someone who does, and we clear the decks and bring in a mostly new playing squad. Otherwise, we'll be struggling again next season. Given reason to believe that he has got over the issues that caused him to be shite for 18 months and developed into someone who is currently one of our best players.
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Post by Detective Boyle on May 1, 2023 21:56:12 GMT 1
Looks like I might be in the minority here but Hungbo has scored a couple of great goals but had many more poor matches than good. As a loan signing his impact hasn't been that great. It's just against the other disaster loans that he looks a great success. Me too. A lot of raw potential but there have been many games where he has not done a right lot and looked way off the pace.
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Post by htafcokay on May 1, 2023 23:02:50 GMT 1
If we keep the vast majority of this squad, then don't be surprised if we're reappointing Warnock in February 2024. There's a reason why we've been bottom of the table for the majority of the season and that's because the players aren't good enough. Don't be fooled into thinking that the likes of Koroma, Ward and Ruffels are brilliant players. They aren't, they never have been and never will be, Warnock has used his knack of making bad players average, and average players good. What has Koroma done to deserve a new contract? He's been here four years and we've had about nine months out of him, we don't want to fall into the Simon Baldry trap here. Same as Ruffels, he's not very good and was a very poor replacement for Toffolo. Danny Ward is and always will be a very poor centre-forward who's had two good seasons in his whole career. Hopefully the new owner has his head screwed on, or appoints someone who does, and we clear the decks and bring in a mostly new playing squad. Otherwise, we'll be struggling again next season. Given reason to believe that he has got over the issues that caused him to be shite for 18 months and developed into someone who is currently one of our best players. Yet in the first game of the season he was an absolute disgrace. He was also pretty rubbish at Portsmouth earlier in the season and a division below. There's only one reason why he's playing well right now and that's Neil Warnock.
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Post by linson on May 1, 2023 23:07:24 GMT 1
Hungbo Koroma Ruffels Knockaert Vaclik
Would be happy to see these guys stay
I don't get the Mahoney hate, I thought he looked alright when he's got on, I feel like there's something that's happened behind the scenes
Aarons though... Has to be up there amongst the worst signings ever.
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Post by crux on May 1, 2023 23:08:32 GMT 1
Nakayama isn't really a left back, rather a CB, even if LB is what he was primarily bought for. He's far better as left CB of a three. Personally thought Headley was looking really promising pre-injury and Warnock must rate him, putting him straight back in, and in attacking role over genuine attackers. I'm not sure whether the comment by Crux is a serious one,if it is, I'd have to say he's been watching a different Headley to me. The lad does not look out of place in the starting 11. It was a serious comment. He has all the appropriate attributes as you've stated, but lacks the experience at this level to use them properly yet. A full season at League 1 level would be a good move for him as I can't see him being first choice with us and he needs to play first team football somewhere to continue his development. He's playing as a secondary full back at the moment covering for Ruffels, so it is an unusual position for him to play. But he's making mistakes that other players like Scott High would be crucified for, in the first half on Sunday he played a blind pass inside when 20 yards in his own half that nearly let Cardiff in. I think he'll probably make it, but I can't see him being first choice for a full season in a Championship side just yet.
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