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Post by Amigo on May 1, 2023 23:46:52 GMT 1
Koroma we should be trying to keep, he has the ability he had a severe drop in confidence after his injury but he does seem to have a very good attitude as well and seems to be a good lad to have in the squad from what I've seen on the pitch and also clips behind the scenes.
Also agree we should be looking at Hungbo I think he'll only get better with more game time.
Out of the rest, maybe Vaclik as back up to Nicholls.
Nobody else though, a few others could go as well although we might be hard pushed to get rid of some of them.
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Post by melbourneterrier on May 2, 2023 5:06:05 GMT 1
Depends which league we are in.
If Championship
Vaclik Koroma if we can get a good deal Hungbo (although I feel he may go to better side if there is interest)
If League 1
Ward Vaclik Ruffells Koroma Knockaert (I am wondering what's happened to him?) Tino (given how long he has missed in the last 2 seasons, maybe a season in league one is needed?)
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Post by terrier17 on May 2, 2023 7:05:38 GMT 1
Next seasons team should look something like this for me. (Based on us playing similar to now). Nichols Pearson Helick [new CB] Turton. [New CDM] Headley Rudoni. [New CM] [New Cam] [New CF] Bilo Hogg Lees Kasumu Jones Simpson/Harratt Diarra Turton is a back up for me as is Headley. Full back has been one of weak points this season and both flanks need investment for sure.
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Post by Tinpot on May 2, 2023 7:38:29 GMT 1
Given reason to believe that he has got over the issues that caused him to be shite for 18 months and developed into someone who is currently one of our best players. Yet in the first game of the season he was an absolute disgrace. He was also pretty rubbish at Portsmouth earlier in the season and a division below. There's only one reason why he's playing well right now and that's Neil Warnock. Comes down to whether you expect him to continue in his current good form or revert back to what we saw for 18 months. You clearly believe the latter. I believe the former. It certainly seems like he's a player that benefits from handling a certain way but the main reason for my optimism is that he's not just regained his form. He's reinvented himself. Even when he was good in Carlos's first season he was a one trick pony. Now he's figured out a way to be dangerous coming in from the right. He's figured out a way of crossing and shooting with both feet. He's no longer predictable. I think he'll be superb next season, wherever he is and whoever his head coach/manager is. I just hope that's with us.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2023 7:56:59 GMT 1
Ward - Doesn't score enough, 1 year older, injury prone, probably big wages. Much rather have Harrat/Simpson Vaclik - too small, too injured, probably big wages as was a desperate signing Ruffells - not good enough for championsip, cheap "replacement" for toff Aarons - disgraceful signing Koroma - Worth a year extension if he will go for it Knockaert - disgraceful signing Kamberi - disgraceful signing Tino - either ridiculous signing or just we were incredibly unluckly Smith - ridicolous signing Waghorn - disgraceful signing Lowton - Played out of position, needs taking to the glue factory Hungbo - Wouldn't be paying good wages for him on a longer deal
Nakayama was appalling whenever I saw him; neither a LB, LWB nor CB. Terrible distribution. Small and weak.
I've been very impressed with Headley under Warnock; powerful, pacey and a threat going forward. I'd be happy with him LWB and Sorba RWB. Out form has picked up drastically since Headley has played.
If we can get Simpson firing we could have a good attacking presence.
I'd also be keen on Sinani on a free, especially if Holmes is on his way out the door.
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Post by ClaytonwestRobin on May 2, 2023 8:21:03 GMT 1
I agree with all you said Potless, with the exception of Juta. I though he was a solid left sided player who when played was always in a different position, give him a chance and I think there’s a decent player there.
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Post by mids on May 2, 2023 8:34:37 GMT 1
Including loans, this is the full list due to leave unless offered deals: Ward Vaclik Ruffells Aarons Koroma Knockaert Kamberi Tino Smith Waghorn Lowton Hungbo With nobody having a clue if we've been taken over by someone who is going to throw money at it or run us on a shoestring, it is difficult to say who is worth keeping. Get Hungbo. bye bye to the rest. We need a re-boot.
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Post by mids on May 2, 2023 8:36:32 GMT 1
I hope Nakayama is fit for the start of the season, because Headley has done nothing yet to justify being picked! Can you not remember how awful Nakayama was? He wasn't awful. Not even close to being. He looked pretty good, the bit we saw of him.
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on May 2, 2023 8:52:05 GMT 1
Happy to wait and see, but, no mention of the players out on loan? Are they all still contracted? Daly’s must be up, for one.
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Post by Teddington Ted on May 2, 2023 8:56:20 GMT 1
Town fans from August to April,
‘The squad is terrible. No manager could have got a tune out of them. Bromby should be sacked. None of them are fit to wear the shirt.’
Town fans in May,
‘I’d offer half of them new contracts as they played alright last week. Keep this bunch together, add a bit of quality and we could be champions by November!’
The stuff of legend.
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Post by htafcokay on May 2, 2023 8:58:29 GMT 1
Town fans from August to April, ‘The squad is terrible. No manager could have got a tune out of them. Bromby should be sacked. None of them are fit to wear the shirt.’ Town fans in May, ‘I’d offer half of them new contracts as they played alright last week. Keep this bunch together, add a bit of quality and we could be champions by November!’ The stuff of legend. As I've said earlier in the thread, there's only one reason why these players are looking half-decent and that's Neil Warnock. If Warnock was 10 or even five years younger, I'd be signing him up. It's such a shame he's 74 years old and probably doesn't have the stomach to take it on for one or two seasons.
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Post by k1man999 on May 2, 2023 9:15:18 GMT 1
Town fans from August to April, ‘The squad is terrible. No manager could have got a tune out of them. Bromby should be sacked. None of them are fit to wear the shirt.’ Town fans in May, ‘I’d offer half of them new contracts as they played alright last week. Keep this bunch together, add a bit of quality and we could be champions by November!’ The stuff of legend. I think you will find some of us were saying we were not a bottom three squad either and the players needed a proper manager (Warnock was mentioned) with a game plan and bit of confidence. We've never had players to try play tippy tappa Carlos leaned that so changed how he wanted to play to something that suited the players. That said I do think to move on a over haul is needed I'd only look at koroma as one I'd offer a new contract to as there has always been a player there and now with direction and confidence he is showing more to his game.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 2, 2023 9:16:03 GMT 1
Including loans, this is the full list due to leave unless offered deals: Ward Vaclik Ruffells Aarons Koroma Knockaert Kamberi Tino Smith Waghorn Lowton Hungbo With nobody having a clue if we've been taken over by someone who is going to throw money at it or run us on a shoestring, it is difficult to say who is worth keeping. Get Hungbo. bye bye to the rest. We need a re-boot. Much rather keep Koroma than Hungbo myself.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 2, 2023 9:22:03 GMT 1
Town fans from August to April, ‘The squad is terrible. No manager could have got a tune out of them. Bromby should be sacked. None of them are fit to wear the shirt.’ Town fans in May, ‘I’d offer half of them new contracts as they played alright last week. Keep this bunch together, add a bit of quality and we could be champions by November!’ The stuff of legend. The summer transfer business by bromby was disgraceful, a disaster according to many....yet the only two players being discussed for POTS are 2 players we signed last summer. Maybe if Yuta had stayed fit he'd have been a third as I thought he was improving as he got up to speed with the football in this division?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 2, 2023 9:32:04 GMT 1
Town fans from August to April, ‘The squad is terrible. No manager could have got a tune out of them. Bromby should be sacked. None of them are fit to wear the shirt.’ Town fans in May, ‘I’d offer half of them new contracts as they played alright last week. Keep this bunch together, add a bit of quality and we could be champions by November!’ The stuff of legend. You do need a squad and some of them would be solid back up players, it's when you start all of the buggers in one starting 11 week after week does it become problem and and the lack of quality shines through. I'm no fan of Ruffels but as back up, he would be fine, others too Holmes fine. I think getting the right manager in is a huge huge priority this time.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 2, 2023 9:50:15 GMT 1
The right manager is by far the biggest priority. Were seeing it now, that this pool of players who've been struggling at the bottom all season, are actually good enough to compete at the top end if theyre managed well enough.
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Post by Up the Duff. on May 2, 2023 13:58:02 GMT 1
The list shows how shit our transfer dealings were in January.. offer koroma a deal and that's it for me.
Ward is good enough but I think we need to be looking at other options for first choice. Might be too expensive for a bench position.
I still have hopes Harratt might come good.
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Post by Up the Duff. on May 2, 2023 14:10:30 GMT 1
Hungbo Koroma Ruffels Knockaert Vaclik Would be happy to see these guys stay I don't get the Mahoney hate, I thought he looked alright when he's got on, I feel like there's something that's happened behind the scenes Aarons though... Has to be up there amongst the worst signings ever. The lesson here is..do not sign out of contract or loan players you wouldn't be prepared to pay a transfer fee for. Aarons Mahoney Kamberi Knockaert Lowton Smith
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Post by htafcokay on May 2, 2023 14:15:46 GMT 1
Hungbo Koroma Ruffels Knockaert Vaclik Would be happy to see these guys stay I don't get the Mahoney hate, I thought he looked alright when he's got on, I feel like there's something that's happened behind the scenes Aarons though... Has to be up there amongst the worst signings ever. The lesson here is..do not sign out of contract or loan players you wouldn't be prepared to pay a transfer fee for. Aarons Mahoney Kamberi Knockaert Lowton Smith Boyle.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on May 2, 2023 14:20:31 GMT 1
The who we keep and who we release debate is interesting but is all secondary to two issues, one which we have failed to address since relegation, and one which we have held off the need to address for a while but can't any longer.
1. We need a striker capable of 15-20 goals a season. 2. Hoggy can't keep going forever.
We don't have any answers within the squad to either. Kasumu or Camara could be the answer to 2, but not yet.
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Post by ldotm on May 2, 2023 14:29:39 GMT 1
Town fans from August to April, ‘The squad is terrible. No manager could have got a tune out of them. Bromby should be sacked. None of them are fit to wear the shirt.’ Town fans in May, ‘I’d offer half of them new contracts as they played alright last week. Keep this bunch together, add a bit of quality and we could be champions by November!’ The stuff of legend. The summer transfer business by bromby was disgraceful, a disaster according to many....yet the only two players being discussed for POTS are 2 players we signed last summer. Maybe if Yuta had stayed fit he'd have been a third as I thought he was improving as he got up to speed with the football in this division? Bromby did have a disaster in summer, his managerial appointments are the biggest reason we are in the position we are. The only reason we are now potentially out of said disaster is because of Baldwin’s move to get Warnock. Bromby didn’t get every decision wrong, but he got the most crucial ones horrendously wrong.
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Post by Flowerdisco on May 2, 2023 14:30:42 GMT 1
Never mind this league one nonsense, when we survive in the championship I'd be looking to give Koroma a one year deal if he will accept it. I'd be tempted to let the rest go, maybe put a cheeky bid in for Hungbo. We need a bit of a clear out imo
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Post by Tinpot on May 2, 2023 14:37:21 GMT 1
Town fans from August to April, ‘The squad is terrible. No manager could have got a tune out of them. Bromby should be sacked. None of them are fit to wear the shirt.’ Town fans in May, ‘I’d offer half of them new contracts as they played alright last week. Keep this bunch together, add a bit of quality and we could be champions by November!’ The stuff of legend. The summer transfer business by bromby was disgraceful, a disaster according to many....yet the only two players being discussed for POTS are 2 players we signed last summer. Maybe if Yuta had stayed fit he'd have been a third as I thought he was improving as he got up to speed with the football in this division? I concur on Yuta. As regards the transfer business done in the summer: for me the players we brought in weren't bad as such - there just didn't seem to be much of a structured approach to building the squad. Last season it was balanced with each player making up for the weaknesses of another. LoB's mobility making up for Jon Russell's lack of it probably being the most stark example, but also Toffolo bringing an attacking threat from LB and Levi Colwill's pace making up for the lack of it elsewhere in the back line. The squad was greater than the sum of its parts. Business was done early so the players had time to bed in. Compare that to this season. They're not necessarily bad players individually, but the best squads aren't necessarily the ones with the best individual players.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 2, 2023 15:51:45 GMT 1
The summer transfer business by bromby was disgraceful, a disaster according to many....yet the only two players being discussed for POTS are 2 players we signed last summer. Maybe if Yuta had stayed fit he'd have been a third as I thought he was improving as he got up to speed with the football in this division? Bromby did have a disaster in summer, his managerial appointments are the biggest reason we are in the position we are. The only reason we are now potentially out of said disaster is because of Baldwin’s move to get Warnock. Bromby didn’t get every decision wrong, but he got the most crucial ones horrendously wrong. Presuming those were his decisions, then yes its fair to say he failed miserably.
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Post by bluestripe on May 2, 2023 18:59:49 GMT 1
The who we keep and who we release debate is interesting but is all secondary to two issues, one which we have failed to address since relegation, and one which we have held off the need to address for a while but can't any longer. 1. We need a striker capable of 15-20 goals a season. 2. Hoggy can't keep going forever. We don't have any answers within the squad to either. Kasumu or Camara could be the answer to 2, but not yet. Sorry to be pernickety, but Grant was in the first category for a season, but we rightly flogged him.
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Post by ruggedivy on May 2, 2023 19:10:33 GMT 1
I'd be happy if we cleared the decks. All on the list are either inconsistent, over the hill or just plain shit. Only concern will be that we can't really start planning for next season yet until we have the new owner cleared. We may offer a few players contracts purely so we don't have to do a major overhaul in 6 weeks!
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Post by Drew Peacock on May 2, 2023 19:15:26 GMT 1
The who we keep and who we release debate is interesting but is all secondary to two issues, one which we have failed to address since relegation, and one which we have held off the need to address for a while but can't any longer. 1. We need a striker capable of 15-20 goals a season. 2. Hoggy can't keep going forever. We don't have any answers within the squad to either. Kasumu or Camara could be the answer to 2, but not yet. Sorry to be pernickety, but Grant was in the first category for a season, but we rightly flogged him. But for injury Koroma would have hit 15-20 a couple of seasons ago too
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 2, 2023 20:59:28 GMT 1
Yeah fair point. Hopefully there's some investment as you're already looking at 5 starting players before you even look at the bench I hope Nakayama is fit for the start of the season, because Headley has done nothing yet to justify being picked!Headley has been far better than we could have hoped, I think he has been very good in his performances so far, he's a real threat going forward, is athletic, quick, strong & does not look overawed in any sense. Of course he misplaces some passes, they all do. To say he has done nothing yet to justify being picked is crazy in my opinion. He's far from the finished article but Harrogate fans loved him & I think he's shown us exactly why he's been picked, he's certainly not looked out of place, in the sense that someone like Mahoney has. His superb goal alone surely justifies being picked, even if you don't agree he's contributed anything else?
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Post by crux on May 2, 2023 22:45:29 GMT 1
I hope Nakayama is fit for the start of the season, because Headley has done nothing yet to justify being picked!Headley has been far better than we could have hoped, I think he has been very good in his performances so far, he's a real threat going forward, is athletic, quick, strong & does not look overawed in any sense. Of course he misplaces some passes, they all do. To say he has done nothing yet to justify being picked is crazy in my opinion. He's far from the finished article but Harrogate fans loved him & I think he's shown us exactly why he's been picked, he's certainly not looked out of place, in the sense that someone like Mahoney has. His superb goal alone surely justifies being picked, even if you don't agree he's contributed anything else? Picked to play some games, yes. But as 'the' left back for next season, no. I did reply to someone else on the thread somewhere, it's not that I don't rate him, it's that he's quite a way from a Championship full back starter at the moment. I'm not even convinced full back is his position, wing back or even an old fashioned winger might be a better use of his physical attributes.
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Post by philatrickstarbuck on May 2, 2023 23:14:03 GMT 1
Defo need to keep Warnock to lead us into the so called "Promise Land" next season (if/when we stop up) including Koroma & Hungbo & maybe Thomas who he should be able get a tune out of. Plus the other incomings that Sir(potentially) Warnock has got in his little black book 🔵⚪️🔵
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