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Post by philatrickstarbuck on May 2, 2023 23:15:18 GMT 1
Defo need to keep Warnock to lead us back into the so called "Promise Land" next season (if/when we stop up) including Koroma & Hungbo & maybe Thomas who he should be able get a tune out of. Plus the other incomings that Sir(potentially)Warnock has got in his little black book. Wishful thinking...
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Post by space hardware on May 2, 2023 23:15:49 GMT 1
Town fans from August to April, ‘The squad is terrible. No manager could have got a tune out of them. Bromby should be sacked. None of them are fit to wear the shirt.’ Town fans in May, ‘I’d offer half of them new contracts as they played alright last week. Keep this bunch together, add a bit of quality and we could be champions by November!’ The stuff of legend. Plenty were saying that the squad was good, at the start of the season. It wasn't.
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Post by stevvy on May 2, 2023 23:31:02 GMT 1
Yup. Was clear just looking at the teamsheet for that first game (let alone the performance in said game) that the squad wasn't good enough and that we were going to have a season of struggle
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 3, 2023 7:16:31 GMT 1
I'd look to retain Koroma
Ward as well if we can move Rhodes on. He'd have to take none first team wages
Mahoney (not worked out and behind Diarra and Jones), Boyle (blocking Ayina or Crichlow's pathway), Rhodes (starting player wages for a sub doesn't make sense) on the transfer list. Rowe as well as he's not took his opportunity
Need to promote some from the B Team. That would be Diarra, Headley and one of Ayina/ Crichlow. Maybe Austerfield as well depending on his preseason. Need to decide whether to loan out Jackson, Jones and High or keep in the first team squad
Leaves plenty of scope for a new owner and manager to shape the team.
You build a successful team on a strong spine; Nicholls. Helik/Pearson, new signing in midfield (Hogg getting older) and a new striker
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on May 3, 2023 9:15:49 GMT 1
The who we keep and who we release debate is interesting but is all secondary to two issues, one which we have failed to address since relegation, and one which we have held off the need to address for a while but can't any longer. 1. We need a striker capable of 15-20 goals a season. 2. Hoggy can't keep going forever. We don't have any answers within the squad to either. Kasumu or Camara could be the answer to 2, but not yet. Sorry to be pernickety, but Grant was in the first category for a season, but we rightly flogged him. without an adequate replacement.... we've since identified two but been outbid by Luton both times. Luton.
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Post by Floyds on May 3, 2023 9:41:23 GMT 1
Yup. Was clear just looking at the teamsheet for that first game (let alone the performance in said game) that the squad wasn't good enough and that we were going to have a season of struggle We replaced our better players from the season before with either their back up or signings from L1 or L2 along with a novice manager. Fairly obvious it would be a season of struggle (which plenty said at the time). I said on 7th July, success for the season was "Survival...with one of the lowest wage bills and a rookie manager". We might still not, but we'd definitely not have survived with Schofield or Fotheringham in charge.
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Post by artysid on May 3, 2023 9:50:21 GMT 1
Sorry to be pernickety, but Grant was in the first category for a season, but we rightly flogged him. without an adequate replacement.... we've since identified two but been outbid by Luton both times. Luton. Clearly we lost out, but I'm not even sure we were "outbid" as such in the first case, just negotiated badly.
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Post by bluestripe on May 3, 2023 10:00:56 GMT 1
Sorry to be pernickety, but Grant was in the first category for a season, but we rightly flogged him. without an adequate replacement.... we've since identified two but been outbid by Luton both times. Luton. Incidentally one of those was Adebayo, who hit your performance target last year with 16 goals, but managed only 7 this year. And that's in a good side over that period. NB. Sorry don't know who the other was.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 3, 2023 10:18:21 GMT 1
Luton with a very similar income to us and on the edge of London where most players would much rather live than be around huddersfield?
Its a bit 'Sheff Weds Massive' to be making out losing a player to luton ( if we did ) is somehow beneath us isnt it?
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Post by ambryboy on May 3, 2023 10:23:08 GMT 1
without an adequate replacement.... we've since identified two but been outbid by Luton both times. Luton. Incidentally one of those was Adebayo, who hit your performance target last year with 16 goals, but managed only 7 this year. And that's in a good side over that period. NB. Sorry don't know who the other was. Morris?
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Post by Big Ern on May 3, 2023 11:15:34 GMT 1
Luton with a very similar income to us and on the edge of London where most players would much rather live than be around huddersfield? Its a bit 'Sheff Weds Massive' to be making out losing a player to luton ( if we did ) is somehow beneath us isnt it? Luton is an absolute bizzhole in the middle of Hertfordshire with a capacity stadium of a grand 10,356. There is no way they should be able to pay top dollar for anyone compared to others in this league. They are where they are because their owners are invested in the club and recognise that to compete you can't do it on a league 1/2 budget
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Post by Tiro on May 3, 2023 11:19:17 GMT 1
Luton with a very similar income to us and on the edge of London where most players would much rather live than be around huddersfield? Its a bit 'Sheff Weds Massive' to be making out losing a player to luton ( if we did ) is somehow beneath us isnt it? Similar income without the overheads and an owner in administration.....
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Post by Tiro on May 3, 2023 11:27:48 GMT 1
Luton with a very similar income to us and on the edge of London where most players would much rather live than be around huddersfield? Its a bit 'Sheff Weds Massive' to be making out losing a player to luton ( if we did ) is somehow beneath us isnt it? Luton is an absolute bizzhole in the middle of Hertfordshire with a capacity stadium of a grand 10,356. There is no way they should be able to pay top dollar for anyone compared to others in this league. They are where they are because their owners are invested in the club and recognise that to compete you can't do it on a league 1/2 budget Ah, one of footballs biggest mirths: that place is shit hole so they should be shit. And one of it's biggest myths; geography breeds success. They haven't paid 'top dollar' on anyone by any any stretch of the imagination. They just have more to spend, than us, (because they dont have to spend as such on infrastructure, wages and loans) and have an owner with deeper pockets; it's not that we have owner that is not prepared to spend, we just had an owner with nothing to spend!
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Post by Captainslapper on May 3, 2023 11:44:52 GMT 1
Luton with a very similar income to us and on the edge of London where most players would much rather live than be around huddersfield? Its a bit 'Sheff Weds Massive' to be making out losing a player to luton ( if we did ) is somehow beneath us isnt it? Luton is an absolute bizzhole in the middle of Hertfordshire with a capacity stadium of a grand 10,356. There is no way they should be able to pay top dollar for anyone compared to others in this league. They are where they are because their owners are invested in the club and recognise that to compete you can't do it on a league 1/2 budget Luton is largely a shithole but I doubt the players live there. If they have more or less the same income to Town ( and as their fans pay much more than us to watch their team, they will ) , then why do you think its unacceptable they can compete for players with us? All things being equal most players would rather live on the outskirts of London than around Huddersfield. So would their girlfriends Id imagine... especially a player like Adebeyo who is from London and all his family and mates live there. Why would Huddersfield be a bigger lure for a player like that if we dont have a magic money tree to make money do it?
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Post by irverino on May 3, 2023 12:18:42 GMT 1
Luton with a very similar income to us and on the edge of London where most players would much rather live than be around huddersfield? Its a bit 'Sheff Weds Massive' to be making out losing a player to luton ( if we did ) is somehow beneath us isnt it? Luton is an absolute bizzhole in the middle of Hertfordshire with a capacity stadium of a grand 10,356. There is no way they should be able to pay top dollar for anyone compared to others in this league. They are where they are because their owners are invested in the club and recognise that to compete you can't do it on a league 1/2 budget Hertfordshire is a lot nicer place than Bedfordshire........Where I'm sure Luton is (Bedford/Luton Vans Hq).
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Post by mosher on May 3, 2023 12:24:34 GMT 1
Luton is an absolute bizzhole in the middle of Hertfordshire with a capacity stadium of a grand 10,356. There is no way they should be able to pay top dollar for anyone compared to others in this league. They are where they are because their owners are invested in the club and recognise that to compete you can't do it on a league 1/2 budget Hertfordshire is a lot nicer place than Bedfordshire........Where I'm sure Luton is (Bedford/Luton Vans Hq). Beat me to it. Herts has loads of rolling countryside, leafy suburbs and the like. Bedfordshire is a shithole Before anyone says it I know there are nice places in Bedfordshire, shouldn't judge the whole county on Luton
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Post by Porrohman on May 3, 2023 12:25:42 GMT 1
Town fans from August to April, ‘The squad is terrible. No manager could have got a tune out of them. Bromby should be sacked. None of them are fit to wear the shirt.’ Town fans in May, ‘I’d offer half of them new contracts as they played alright last week. Keep this bunch together, add a bit of quality and we could be champions by November!’ The stuff of legend. The summer transfer business by bromby was disgraceful, a disaster according to many....yet the only two players being discussed for POTS are 2 players we signed last summer. Maybe if Yuta had stayed fit he'd have been a third as I thought he was improving as he got up to speed with the football in this division? Tbf we only signed Helik cos we were in the shit, it's not like we'd signed him in the summer.
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Post by Big Ern on May 3, 2023 13:01:38 GMT 1
Luton is an absolute bizzhole in the middle of Hertfordshire with a capacity stadium of a grand 10,356. There is no way they should be able to pay top dollar for anyone compared to others in this league. They are where they are because their owners are invested in the club and recognise that to compete you can't do it on a league 1/2 budget Hertfordshire is a lot nicer place than Bedfordshire........Where I'm sure Luton is (Bedford/Luton Vans Hq). No you are right and I did mean Bedfordshire! I was on a course there last year hence my knowledge of the area!
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Post by Wingman on May 3, 2023 13:18:45 GMT 1
Luton are planning a new stadium too, so have decent ambitions and have consistently been pushing for the top eight. They play to their strengths. Don’t forget they will have trousered £m’s in compo twice for the Twitchy Goblin (TM) also.
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Post by Drew Peacock on May 3, 2023 13:34:41 GMT 1
We weren't outbid for Adebayo anyway, it was common knowledge at the time that we pulled out of the deal.
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Post by ponteterrier on May 3, 2023 14:20:06 GMT 1
I'd keep koroma and hungbo (if available). Possibly Ruffels although I'm not sure he can improve.
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Post by goodbet on May 4, 2023 16:39:37 GMT 1
The right manager is by far the biggest priority. Were seeing it now, that this pool of players who've been struggling at the bottom all season, are actually good enough to compete at the top end if theyre managed well enough. I agree that we need the right manager and let him have some input into the transfers that we bring in. As for the squad we have, they have been poor all season and we have found some goals and results at the end of the season, but if we plan to start next season with this squad I will give the season a miss. We need a couple of strikers and strengthening all the way around. The issue is we have no idea what the budget for next season will be, I think that we all assume that someone taking over the club will intend to build on what we have but with the fair play rules this may well be limited. We may look to clear out the older players, especially the ones on the higher wages even if we have to give them away.
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Post by tepidterrier on May 4, 2023 17:01:25 GMT 1
Luton are a top end championship side, like it or not. They were only ever in non league due to a 30 point deduction, and have spent plenty of time in the top two divisions the last few decades.
We should know better than to look down on teams (and towns!) for being unfashionable. It plays into this idea of a natural order of things which is ridiculous in a sporting context. And just snooty above all.
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Post by bluesandtwos on May 4, 2023 17:25:36 GMT 1
From the list, these are ours:
Ward Vaclik Ruffells Aarons Koroma
I would keep these three but I would want a younger first choice striker as well:
Ward Ruffells Koroma
These are loans and only Hungbo would be worth pursuing:
Knockaert Kamberi Tino Smith Waghorn Lowton Hungbo
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 4, 2023 22:25:53 GMT 1
Koroma is going to have some cracking offers on the table if anyone was watching him second half Sunday and second half tonight.
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Post by htafc on May 4, 2023 22:53:34 GMT 1
Keep Koroma and ward.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2023 9:17:47 GMT 1
Lets not be overly generous with contracts this summer and hamstring ourselves; we're already stuck with Rhodes for another year.
With that said I don't think we should give Ward another year.
It's time for Harratt and Simpson to step up and still spend money on a proper striker.
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Post by Drew Peacock on May 5, 2023 9:21:08 GMT 1
Lets not be overly generous with contracts this summer and hamstring ourselves; we're already stuck with Rhodes for another year. With that said I don't think we should give Ward another year. It's time for Harratt and Simpson to step up and still spend money on a proper striker. Really like what I've seen of Harratt so far, his movement last night was excellent, and but for a better first touch he could even have notched a couple of goals.
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Post by Drew Peacock on May 5, 2023 9:22:35 GMT 1
Seems to have been lost in the excitement of staying up last night, but if that's to be Danny Wards last goal in a Town shirt then what a way to sign off, absolute pearler!
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 5, 2023 9:30:17 GMT 1
Ward is a tricky one. When you’re a striker in a side that’s struggled in midfield for most of the season you’re going to look a bit poor.
I think he’s been one our most tireless players all season. Many strikers would have tailed off before last night’s game, but it was very pleasing for him to get a cracker of a goal that supporters of clubs he’s played for know he’s capable of. I think that says a lot about his character.
We’ve still some decent lads to come back from injury, and let’s see if we can do some good business in the loan market. The Blades hit the jackpot with those 2 lads from Man C, we need to try and do the same, even though such transfers create bigger headaches further down the line.
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