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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2023 10:11:30 GMT 1
Lets not be overly generous with contracts this summer and hamstring ourselves; we're already stuck with Rhodes for another year. With that said I don't think we should give Ward another year. It's time for Harratt and Simpson to step up and still spend money on a proper striker. Really like what I've seen of Harratt so far, his movement last night was excellent, and but for a better first touch he could even have notched a couple of goals. Agreed, he looks sharp and would look better with a run of games.
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Post by sapphireblue on May 5, 2023 10:14:56 GMT 1
Town fans from August to April, ‘The squad is terrible. No manager could have got a tune out of them. Bromby should be sacked. None of them are fit to wear the shirt.’ Town fans in May, ‘I’d offer half of them new contracts as they played alright last week. Keep this bunch together, add a bit of quality and we could be champions by November!’ The stuff of legend. As I've said earlier in the thread, there's only one reason why these players are looking half-decent and that's Neil Warnock. If Warnock was 10 or even five years younger, I'd be signing him up. It's such a shame he's 74 years old and probably doesn't have the stomach to take it on for one or two seasons. This new king is 74 and his career is only just starting.
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Post by sapphireblue on May 5, 2023 10:18:07 GMT 1
Hertfordshire is a lot nicer place than Bedfordshire........Where I'm sure Luton is (Bedford/Luton Vans Hq). No you are right and I did mean Bedfordshire! I was on a course there last year hence my knowledge of the area! I hope it wasn't a geography course. 😉
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Post by upthetown on May 5, 2023 10:30:06 GMT 1
Keep Koroma Keep (sign) Hungbo Keep Ward (but as backup)
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Post by Torquayterrier on May 5, 2023 10:36:35 GMT 1
The dilemma with keeping Ward is we still have Rhodes on the books. This was always going to be an issue and why my first reaction when we signed Rhodes was that it was a very generous deal. Maybe he wouldnt have signed for a 1 year deal but to give 3 was always going to leave a big overlap between him and Ward. I'd be reasonably happy to go forward next season with one of them still here but not both. Harratt may be the future he may not we won't know until he gets some regular starts but if we need to sign a proven striker then we could do with either Rhodes or Ward moving on.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on May 5, 2023 10:50:42 GMT 1
Quite damning of Lowton that he was brought in for his experience, but deemed not to have what it takes to be relied upon.
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Post by Kenny irons on May 9, 2023 11:24:47 GMT 1
Including loans, this is the full list due to leave unless offered deals: Ward Vaclik Ruffells Aarons Koroma Knockaert Kamberi Tino Smith Waghorn Lowton Hungbo With nobody having a clue if we've been taken over by someone who is going to throw money at it or run us on a shoestring, it is difficult to say who is worth keeping. For me out of that list I'd offer Koroma a new deal and sign up Hungbo. The rest can go. We need to start building again
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2023 11:46:52 GMT 1
Quite damning of Lowton that he was brought in for his experience, but deemed not to have what it takes to be relied upon. He'd been bombed out by Kompany at Burnley, makes you wonder if he'd done anything to keep himself match sharp as he was clearly off the pace and struggled to kick a ball straight at times which was astonishing for someone who'd played regular EPL football for 6-7 years until last summer.
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Post by tepidterrier on May 9, 2023 12:25:13 GMT 1
Should be making a big effort to keep Koroma and sign Hungbo. Ruffels surprisingly I think has earned an extra year on the same terms. Ward would need to be on less money to be worth it I think. But I can see Harratt filling his remit fairly well and we have too many strikers as it is
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Post by Mastercracker on May 9, 2023 12:27:51 GMT 1
Quite damning of Lowton that he was brought in for his experience, but deemed not to have what it takes to be relied upon. He'd been bombed out by Kompany at Burnley, makes you wonder if he'd done anything to keep himself match sharp as he was clearly off the pace and struggled to kick a ball straight at times which was astonishing for someone who'd played regular EPL football for 6-7 years until last summer. 25 Premier League apps last season. Absolutely unreal how quickly he's declined. Not that I'm bothered but he must surely be contemplating retirement after how this spell has gone.
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Post by Mastercracker on May 9, 2023 12:40:20 GMT 1
The dilemma with keeping Ward is we still have Rhodes on the books. This was always going to be an issue and why my first reaction when we signed Rhodes was that it was a very generous deal. Maybe he wouldnt have signed for a 1 year deal but to give 3 was always going to leave a big overlap between him and Ward. I'd be reasonably happy to go forward next season with one of them still here but not both. Harratt may be the future he may not we won't know until he gets some regular starts but if we need to sign a proven striker then we could do with either Rhodes or Ward moving on. Agree, tough one this. I think it's fairly obvious we need a new 1st choice striker this summer. Not a project, not a loan but 100% our own prime first choice man. We haven't done this since we signed Mounie 6 summers ago. I think the ideal would be to keep Ward as a backup and sell Rhodes...but is anyone paying JR enough for him to leave? He's 33 and I think his race is run at Championship level, but he's got another year of championship wages to go. Guess it depends on how much he wants to play football but he's barely got on the pitch under Warnock. Certainly don't want them both at the club still next season.
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Post by bigtruck on May 9, 2023 12:41:12 GMT 1
As much as NW has shown the players were better than DS & MF had them playing, we're still a team that battled relegation so if the core of this years team is still the core next year then shouldn't we expect a similar result? I'm not bought on Koroma getting another contract despite him being quality these last few weeks, but he didnt show that at the beginning or whilst on loan. I'll happily take Hungbo on loan again but having been stung before signing previous loan players on perm deals (and yes i know the positive with Mooy) i'm not sure we should risk it, would depend on the finances. If the money is there and we can get business done quickly then id be looking at a large overhaul. If not, add a couple in needed positions and add again in January. But theres nothing i've seen in those out of contract that would have me fighting to offer any a new deal.
2 for each position has us looking like..
GK - Nichols/Bilo RB - Turton/REG CB - Pearson/Lees/Helik LB - Yuta/Headley CM - Hogg/Kasumu/Rudoni FW - Rhodes/Simpson/Harratt
Theres youngsters to add to that in Spencer, Jones, Camara and obviously the Thomas Saga to sort but strength needed all round i feel bar GK
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 9, 2023 12:49:25 GMT 1
I know this is about out of contract players, but there’s a definite need for a striker, plus a creative midfielder.
I still think we’re in a good position if the youth in the squad can start to mature in the next couple of seasons. We do have some good kids in there who should be all the better for experiencing so much change this season.
Get a decent Mgr who can work with some of NW’s characteristics and build from there.
Maybe these lads enjoyed working for a more mature Mgr? Maybe they respected him more because of his age & experience?
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Post by Dan on May 9, 2023 13:11:19 GMT 1
From the examiner:
"Warnock revealed that he had told Nagle that he should sign all the out-of-contract players who had played a part for him in rescuing the club from relegation late on in the season, and went on to say the conversation was ‘just general chat’."
That's Ward, Koroma and Ruffels potentially being offered new deals then...
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Post by boooothy on May 9, 2023 13:19:41 GMT 1
Stating the obvious but it’s down to wages. Ruffels will be on peanuts (relatively speaking) Ward will be on 10k so he’d have to take a pay cut. To get Koroma to sign i imagine he’d have to become the top earner which seems a little unfair on the other players.
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Post by duncfost01 on May 9, 2023 13:29:25 GMT 1
What on earth do we do with Mahoney ? Presumably he has another year left.
Boyle ? - didn’t feature at all under warnock.
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Post by townohiofan on May 9, 2023 13:34:15 GMT 1
From the examiner: "Warnock revealed that he had told Nagle that he should sign all the out-of-contract players who had played a part for him in rescuing the club from relegation late on in the season, and went on to say the conversation was ‘just general chat’." That's Ward, Koroma and Ruffels potentially being offered new deals then... We have an option to extend Ruffels for one more year so no need for a new contract. link
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Post by VLP Fan Club on May 9, 2023 13:35:29 GMT 1
What on earth do we do with Mahoney ? Presumably he has another year left. Boyle ? - didn’t feature at all under warnock. Both should have plenty suitors in league 1&2 but the fee we would receive would be low.
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Post by Dan on May 9, 2023 13:38:12 GMT 1
What on earth do we do with Mahoney ? Presumably he has another year left. Boyle ? - didn’t feature at all under warnock. Boyle is a back up centre half, there was no need for him to feature as the centre halves we had were all fit and playing well. He's done okay whenever he's had to fill in. No need to move him on in my opinion.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 9, 2023 13:43:03 GMT 1
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Post by Mastercracker on May 9, 2023 13:47:13 GMT 1
From the examiner: "Warnock revealed that he had told Nagle that he should sign all the out-of-contract players who had played a part for him in rescuing the club from relegation late on in the season, and went on to say the conversation was ‘just general chat’." That's Ward, Koroma and Ruffels potentially being offered new deals then... We have an option to extend Ruffels for one more year so no need for a new contract. linkWouldnt be the first time we've said we have an option on someone and its wrong
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on May 9, 2023 13:50:36 GMT 1
Surprised how many seem to think Vaclik (first choice for his national team) would be happy to be second choice in a second-tier league. Realistically the only way he'll sign is if we accept a bumper bid for Nicholls.
I'd offer Koroma a deal, enquire about Hungbo, not sure on the rest.
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Post by workshyfop on May 9, 2023 16:38:17 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 9, 2023 16:43:54 GMT 1
Shame really, we'd have had 2 very good keepers on the books.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 9, 2023 17:12:55 GMT 1
Shame really, we'd have had 2 very good keepers on the books. I think the young lad will be taking a big lead from Nicholls, so I think we’re OK in this area for now. TV deserves a big round of applause because he was crucial in earning the points that kept us up.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 9, 2023 17:15:14 GMT 1
Shame really, we'd have had 2 very good keepers on the books. I think the young lad will be taking a big lead from Nicholls, so I think we’re OK in this area for now. TV deserves a big round of applause because he was crucial in earning the points that kept us up. Oh yeah, no issue with Bilokapic, but they seem to like to send em out on a seasons loan before they get 1st team action. What's happened to Schofield any road?
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Post by workshyfop on May 9, 2023 17:15:45 GMT 1
Shame really, we'd have had 2 very good keepers on the books. I think the young lad will be taking a big lead from Nicholls, so I think we’re OK in this area for now. TV deserves a big round of applause because he was crucial in earning the points that kept us up. Yep, Bilo looks a decent prospect. Played well enough when he came in.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on May 9, 2023 17:30:59 GMT 1
I think the young lad will be taking a big lead from Nicholls, so I think we’re OK in this area for now. TV deserves a big round of applause because he was crucial in earning the points that kept us up. Oh yeah, no issue with Bilokapic, but they seem to like to send em out on a seasons loan before they get 1st team action. What's happened to Schofield any road? Schofield has been on loan at Crawley. He played a couple of times for them but was poor in one of them and was dropped for Corey Addai, who isn’t entirely popular either. He’s been on the bench since and hasn’t impressed. I’ve seen Crawley three times in the last couple of months but he was on the bench.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on May 9, 2023 17:35:18 GMT 1
Oh yeah, no issue with Bilokapic, but they seem to like to send em out on a seasons loan before they get 1st team action. What's happened to Schofield any road? Schofield has been on loan at Crawley. He played a couple of times for them but was poor in one of them and was dropped for Corey Addai, who isn’t entirely popular either. He’s been on the bench since and hasn’t impressed. I’ve seen Crawley three times in the last couple of months but he was on the bench. Decent shot stopper Schofield but any time the ball comes near him from out wide he looks like the landlord from a pub whose been chucked in net.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 9, 2023 17:59:08 GMT 1
Vaclik made a major contribution to our survival. He must have been some GK before his injuries & you have to admire the man's attitude in continuing to play as long as he can.
Thanks Tomas, all the very best.
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