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Post by richhtfc on Nov 12, 2023 20:21:02 GMT 1
Third game till a win. We lost 3-1 away to Wednesday first game but you could see we were trying to play. We then lost 0-2 to Middlesbrough at home, but everyone there was impressed wit how we played, we battered them and went off to a standing ovation. His first win was a 0-2 win away at Birmingham. We followed that up with a loss at home to Bristol which I’d forgotten about completely. The first home game was brilliant, despite the scoreline. You could sense something was changing. I just don't think it's correct to say Wagner united everyone immediately, because he didn't. He couldn't have done, because we'd never heard of him! It was fairly mixed most of that first half season he had, but you could tell he was building an identity. It’s just so hard to telll the relative strength of the squad at the moment to that one, I suspect it’s a fair bit weaker. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Nov 12, 2023 20:21:08 GMT 1
A post full of sense as usual. I totally understand actually why some people wouldn’t want DW back. But I ask myself this question. “ in all my years of watching Town, have I ever witnessed such unity, such a bond between club and fans as I did when DW was here “ after 1 game! Notwithstanding the great work carried out by NW, the answer is a resounding NO. I want that feeling back even though I’m sure it will never happen again in my lifetime. It was the second game wasn't it? Certainly wasn't the first. Whereas Warnock united the fans in an instant earlier this year. I can’t remember if it was game 1 or game 2 but it was Middlesbrough at home. We lost. And pretty much got a standing ovation after 90 minutes. |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 12, 2023 20:22:53 GMT 1
The first home game was brilliant, despite the scoreline. You could sense something was changing. I just don't think it's correct to say Wagner united everyone immediately, because he didn't. He couldn't have done, because we'd never heard of him! It was fairly mixed most of that first half season he had, but you could tell he was building an identity. It’s just so hard to telll the relative strength of the squad at the moment to that one, I suspect it’s a fair bit weaker. I agree. His first two years in charge were fantastic, but for me, he completely lost it after that. And that squad was better than this one, I don't think we've ever had a weaker squad at this level. |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 12, 2023 20:23:13 GMT 1
It was the second game wasn't it? Certainly wasn't the first. Whereas Warnock united the fans in an instant earlier this year. I can’t remember if it was game 1 or game 2 but it was Middlesbrough at home. We lost. And pretty much got a standing ovation after 90 minutes. Game 2, at home to Middlesbrough. |
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Post by drumriggend on Nov 12, 2023 20:25:34 GMT 1
Third game till a win. We lost 3-1 away to Wednesday first game but you could see we were trying to play. We then lost 0-2 to Middlesbrough at home, but everyone there was impressed wit how we played, we battered them and went off to a standing ovation. His first win was a 0-2 win away at Birmingham. We followed that up with a loss at home to Bristol which I’d forgotten about completely. The first home game was brilliant, despite the scoreline. You could sense something was changing. I just don't think it's correct to say Wagner united everyone immediately, because he didn't. He couldn't have done, because we'd never heard of him! Feckin he’ll you are tiresome.. You are now trying to correct all our memories.. Please feck off you boring kunt.. 🍻 |
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Post by richhtfc on Nov 12, 2023 20:26:05 GMT 1
It was fairly mixed most of that first half season he had, but you could tell he was building an identity. It’s just so hard to telll the relative strength of the squad at the moment to that one, I suspect it’s a fair bit weaker. I agree. His first two years in charge were fantastic, but for me, he completely lost it after that. And that squad was better than this one, I don't think we've ever had a weaker squad at this level. Hard to disagree. I think with everyone fit we can give most teams a game but more often than not we’ll lose and we are bottom half/relegation candidates. With injuries we are in deep trouble because we’ve no squad depth at all. |
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Post by royrace on Nov 12, 2023 20:26:52 GMT 1
He did as well as could be expected yes and had us playing reasonably well in a totally different formation despite being provided with players not even good enough for the league below. No manager on earth would or could have done better so it isn't classed as a failure. He left before the asset stripping commenced, he'd seen the future and didn't want to be part of it, understandably. No. He didn't want a relegation on his CV. Because let's stop pretending otherwise, we were going down under him anyway. What is it with Town fans and rewriting history? We won two games between August and January under him, TWO GAMES! I never said we weren't going down anyway. My point is he can't be blamed for that in any way shape or form. |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 12, 2023 20:31:40 GMT 1
The first home game was brilliant, despite the scoreline. You could sense something was changing. I just don't think it's correct to say Wagner united everyone immediately, because he didn't. He couldn't have done, because we'd never heard of him! Feckin he’ll you are tiresome.. You are now trying to correct all our memories.. Please feck off you boring kunt.. 🍻 Does it make you feel better abusing me? |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 12, 2023 20:32:17 GMT 1
No. He didn't want a relegation on his CV. Because let's stop pretending otherwise, we were going down under him anyway. What is it with Town fans and rewriting history? We won two games between August and January under him, TWO GAMES! I never said we weren't going down anyway. My point is he can't be blamed for that in any way shape or form. The manager can't be blamed for us losing every week? Yet you're having a go at Moore every week? |
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Post by workshyfop on Nov 12, 2023 20:46:40 GMT 1
Yeah, he wasn’t right good. I preferred the other managers that got us promoted to the Premier League …
Hilariously, one criticism of Corberan is he didn’t get us to the Premier League. In my opinion, what he achieved was even better than DW as we finished third on more points, positive GD and worse/cheaper squad.
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 12, 2023 20:50:38 GMT 1
Yeah, he wasn’t right good. I preferred the other managers that got us promoted to the Premier League … Hilariously, one criticism of Corberan is he didn’t get us to the Premier League. In my opinion, what he achieved was even better than DW as we finished third on more points, positive GD and worse/cheaper squad. Have you conveniently ignored the part where I said his first two years were brilliant? |
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Post by workshyfop on Nov 12, 2023 21:11:21 GMT 1
Yeah, he wasn’t right good. I preferred the other managers that got us promoted to the Premier League … Hilariously, one criticism of Corberan is he didn’t get us to the Premier League. In my opinion, what he achieved was even better than DW as we finished third on more points, positive GD and worse/cheaper squad. Have you conveniently ignored the part where I said his first two years were brilliant? Not aimed specifically at you. I just think we, as supporters and a club, don’t realise the value of good coaching/management. Wagner, Corberan and Warnock all got a hell of a lot more out of the players at their disposal or with the budget they worked within than they are given credit for. This is partly why we’ve ended up in such a mess. The results have masked the poor quality and those who you’d like to think know better have seemingly thought the players are better than they are (with CC and NW in particular). |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 12, 2023 21:14:14 GMT 1
Have you conveniently ignored the part where I said his first two years were brilliant? Not aimed specifically at you. I just think we, as supporters and a club, don’t realise the value of good coaching/management. Wagner, Corberan and Warnock all got a hell of a lot more out of the players at their disposal or with the budget they worked within than they are given credit for. This is partly why we’ve ended up in such a mess. The results have masked the poor quality and those who you’d like to think know better have seemingly thought the players are better than they are (with CC and NW in particular). I think in Warnock's case, most of the fans were well aware of how he was getting more out of this squad than he had any right to. However, and crucially, I don't think Nagle and his lot did. I think they naively thought the players were better than what they are, judging by the two games they watched last season. |
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Post by wigster on Nov 12, 2023 21:19:36 GMT 1
He did as well as could be expected yes and had us playing reasonably well in a totally different formation despite being provided with players not even good enough for the league below. No manager on earth would or could have done better so it isn't classed as a failure. He left before the asset stripping commenced, he'd seen the future and didn't want to be part of it, understandably. No. He didn't want a relegation on his CV. Because let's stop pretending otherwise, we were going down under him anyway. What is it with Town fans and rewriting history? We won two games between August and January under him, TWO GAMES! You can't really argue with those statistics can you, nor with what we actually watched for those very painful months. I don't know anyone who didn't class our second season in the Premier league as a failure, one which at times was embarrassing. I remember being patronised quite frequently on "Match of the Day", and rightly so. And in addition didn't Hoyle alledgedly tell us that Wagner kept coming to him saying that he would only stay if he got paid more money ? That second season, and the main protagonists involved, sowed the seeds for so many of our woes in the years following and we are STILL suffering. |
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Post by Melc on Nov 12, 2023 21:22:10 GMT 1
The first home game was brilliant, despite the scoreline. You could sense something was changing. I just don't think it's correct to say Wagner united everyone immediately, because he didn't. He couldn't have done, because we'd never heard of him! Feckin he’ll you are tiresome.. You are now trying to correct all our memories.. Please feck off you boring kunt.. 🍻 Nothing like getting straight to the point! |
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Post by wigster on Nov 12, 2023 21:22:34 GMT 1
The first home game was brilliant, despite the scoreline. You could sense something was changing. I just don't think it's correct to say Wagner united everyone immediately, because he didn't. He couldn't have done, because we'd never heard of him! Feckin he’ll you are tiresome.. You are now trying to correct all our memories.. Please feck off you boring kunt.. 🍻 Why oh why do we have to have this aggression and this language ? |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 12, 2023 21:26:56 GMT 1
Feckin he’ll you are tiresome.. You are now trying to correct all our memories.. Please feck off you boring kunt.. 🍻 Why oh why do we have to have this aggression and this language ? Because it's me  |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Nov 12, 2023 21:28:19 GMT 1
A post full of sense as usual. I totally understand actually why some people wouldn’t want DW back. But I ask myself this question. “ in all my years of watching Town, have I ever witnessed such unity, such a bond between club and fans as I did when DW was here “ after 1 game! Notwithstanding the great work carried out by NW, the answer is a resounding NO. I want that feeling back even though I’m sure it will never happen again in my lifetime. It was the second game wasn't it? Certainly wasn't the first. Whereas Warnock united the fans in an instant earlier this year. How many games did it take NW to unite the fan base in his FIRST spell in charge? You seem to be comparing different scenarios. |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 12, 2023 21:30:16 GMT 1
It was the second game wasn't it? Certainly wasn't the first. Whereas Warnock united the fans in an instant earlier this year. How many games did it take NW to unite the fan base in his FIRST spell in charge? You seem to be comparing different scenarios. Getting to Wembley in March 1994 is probably what won the fans over in the end. But I'm not talking about his first spell? |
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Post by space hardware on Nov 12, 2023 21:33:55 GMT 1
Not aimed specifically at you. I just think we, as supporters and a club, don’t realise the value of good coaching/management. Wagner, Corberan and Warnock all got a hell of a lot more out of the players at their disposal or with the budget they worked within than they are given credit for. This is partly why we’ve ended up in such a mess. The results have masked the poor quality and those who you’d like to think know better have seemingly thought the players are better than they are (with CC and NW in particular). I think I Warnock's case, most of the fans were well aware of how he was getting more out of this squad than he had any right to. However, and crucially, I don't think Nagle and his lot did. I think they naively thought the players were better than what they ate, judging by the two games they watched last season. I don't think they realised what a shocking squad we had last season. The only reason we stayed up was Warnock's ability to turn water into wine. Even then, there were some absolutely abysmal performances mixed in, like Cov at home and the non event at Burnley, where we essentially threw the game. What makes it worse is that they've deliberately weakened the squad, in numbers and quality, then fired the only man who could conceivably have turned the shambles around! Not only that, they've then appointed a guy who has only had "success" with big budget squads, rather than weak, shitty ones. And even better than that, they've tried to gaslight the fan base into thinking it was all a grand plan, where we had to pounce on this managerial hot property before he was snapped up by a competitor. Classic Huddersfield Town |
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Post by royrace on Nov 12, 2023 21:45:50 GMT 1
No. He didn't want a relegation on his CV. Because let's stop pretending otherwise, we were going down under him anyway. What is it with Town fans and rewriting history? We won two games between August and January under him, TWO GAMES! You can't really argue with those statistics can you, nor with what we actually watched for those very painful months. I don't know anyone who didn't class our second season in the Premier league as a failure, one which at times was embarrassing. I remember being patronised quite frequently on "Match of the Day", and rightly so. And in addition didn't Hoyle alledgedly tell us that Wagner kept coming to him saying that he would only stay if he got paid more money ? That second season, and the main protagonists involved, sowed the seeds for so many of our woes in the years following and we are STILL suffering. Agree on all points except the pay rise part which sounds unlikely but I don’t think Wagner was at fault for any of it. |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 12, 2023 21:47:49 GMT 1
You can't really argue with those statistics can you, nor with what we actually watched for those very painful months. I don't know anyone who didn't class our second season in the Premier league as a failure, one which at times was embarrassing. I remember being patronised quite frequently on "Match of the Day", and rightly so. And in addition didn't Hoyle alledgedly tell us that Wagner kept coming to him saying that he would only stay if he got paid more money ? That second season, and the main protagonists involved, sowed the seeds for so many of our woes in the years following and we are STILL suffering. Agree on all points except the pay rise part which sounds unlikely but I don’t think Wagner was at fault for any of it. Sounds incrediblely likely, seeing as though Hoyle had to give him three pay rises in the promotion season to stop him going to Villa, Leicester and Wolfsburg. |
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Post by Dan on Nov 12, 2023 21:57:45 GMT 1
Agree on all points except the pay rise part which sounds unlikely but I don’t think Wagner was at fault for any of it. Sounds incrediblely likely, seeing as though Hoyle had to give him three pay rises in the promotion season to stop him going to Villa, Leicester and Wolfsburg. Not a bad few years from starting off at Town on £100-150k, and I’m sure I remember him being the 6th/7th best paid manager in the PL at the time he left on around £5 million p/a |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Nov 12, 2023 21:59:50 GMT 1
There’s no guarantees with any manager.
Could be worth a punt bringing Wagner back. Since we’re already heading to the third division the worst he could do would be to equal that.
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Post by ACW on Nov 12, 2023 22:11:04 GMT 1
There’s no guarantees with any manager. Could be worth a punt bringing Wagner back. Since we’re already heading to the third division the worst he could do would be to equal that. If nothing else, watching our current players attempt Wagner's gegenpressing style would be sadistically entertaining. |
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Post by royrace on Nov 12, 2023 22:12:21 GMT 1
Agree on all points except the pay rise part which sounds unlikely but I don’t think Wagner was at fault for any of it. Sounds incrediblely likely, seeing as though Hoyle had to give him three pay rises in the promotion season to stop him going to Villa, Leicester and Wolfsburg. Entirely understandable and believable when he was working miracles! Less so when heading towards relegation! I don’t care either way though tbh, irrelevant. If I’d have seen the state of the shyte they brought in for that second season I’d probably just have walked. Hamer, diabolical, Mbenza and Sobhi … for the PL  |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 12, 2023 22:17:14 GMT 1
Sounds incrediblely likely, seeing as though Hoyle had to give him three pay rises in the promotion season to stop him going to Villa, Leicester and Wolfsburg. Entirely understandable and believable when he was working miracles! Less so when heading towards relegation! I don’t care either way though tbh, irrelevant. If I’d have seen the state of the shyte they brought in for that second season I’d probably just have walked. Hamer, diabolical, Mbenza and Sobhi … for the PL And this is why I don't want him back, because this is all we'd get from fans like you. Wagner would be untouchable and that isn't right. No manager should be untouchable or beyond criticism. The bloke left us nine points adrift at the bottom of the league in January and you're saying he did a good job that season. I'm baffled. |
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Post by townrwe on Nov 12, 2023 22:25:27 GMT 1
Bring him home.
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 12, 2023 22:30:00 GMT 1
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Post by royrace on Nov 12, 2023 22:35:19 GMT 1
Entirely understandable and believable when he was working miracles! Less so when heading towards relegation! I don’t care either way though tbh, irrelevant. If I’d have seen the state of the shyte they brought in for that second season I’d probably just have walked. Hamer, diabolical, Mbenza and Sobhi … for the PL And this is why I don't want him back, because this is all we'd get from fans like you. Wagner would be untouchable and that isn't right. No manager should be untouchable or beyond criticism. The bloke left us nine points adrift at the bottom of the league in January and you're saying he did a good job that season. I'm baffled. Would he bollocks be untouchable  …and you’ll be relieved to know I wouldn’t be doing the hiring and firing! Im not sure why you’d be baffled if you look at the back drop to that season and the events. I’m saying nobody would have done any better. |
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