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Post by onesteviekindon on May 3, 2023 16:35:57 GMT 1
Good timing maybe??
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on May 3, 2023 16:48:33 GMT 1
I can't say I blame Norwich and after his dismal performance at Norwich with such a high quality squad, it's a deffo no from me.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on May 3, 2023 17:01:08 GMT 1
For what? Coming back? No thanks; a big NO. |
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Post by Stewpot on May 3, 2023 17:08:53 GMT 1
It was a moment in time, albeit a great one. Time to leave it in the past, and move on. Started well at Norwich, but gone rapidly downhill lately.
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Post by impact on May 3, 2023 17:08:59 GMT 1
He started very well and dropped off massively recently.
If they've hired him as short term and won't give him a transfer window to get players in for how he wants to play then why hire him in the first place? If it was shit or bust this year there were better choices around. His appointment had to be a longer term project, surely?
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Post by Tinpot on May 3, 2023 17:15:59 GMT 1
For what? Coming back? No thanks; a big NO. Reluctantly agreed. I think a big part of his success was due to him spotting something that British clubs weren't doing, regarding double training sessions, taking account of circadian rhythms etc. then doing it before anyone else. Unfortunately, everyone else was able to copy it. A hugely influential chap and I love him for what he did here last time but it's a no from me. |
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Post by ruggedivy on May 3, 2023 17:27:10 GMT 1
Think his tactics (along with Klopps) are starting show some
fatigue. Teams have worked how to play against him and he's not really evolved. He'd certainly not be on my shortlist
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Post by Captainslapper on May 3, 2023 17:31:11 GMT 1
No..a legend and will always be a legend,, but no.
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Post by townarentbest on May 3, 2023 17:36:35 GMT 1
For what? Coming back? No thanks; a big NO. Reluctantly agreed. I think a big part of his success was due to him spotting something that British clubs weren't doing, regarding double training sessions, taking account of circadian rhythms etc. then doing it before anyone else. Unfortunately, everyone else was able to copy it. A hugely influential chap and I love him for what he did here last time but it's a no from me. ... and having a set up that had the confidence to dip into the German leagues to pick up undervalued talent - a pool of players that is simply no longer available because of UK working visa regulations. And just after we'd somehow worked out that there appears to be value in picking up French youngsters too  |
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Post by exberlinerterrier on May 3, 2023 17:40:28 GMT 1
Was surprised he took the job in the first place. Solid team at this level, but nothing more than that with their squad. Overhaul of their playing staff needed, as well as a bit of a shake up higher up.
I don’t know how much to read into the job he has done there. I think it probably reflects their need for something new as much as it does his ability as a coach.
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Post by impact on May 3, 2023 17:42:24 GMT 1
For what? Coming back? No thanks; a big NO. Reluctantly agreed. I think a big part of his success was due to him spotting something that British clubs weren't doing, regarding double training sessions, taking account of circadian rhythms etc. then doing it before anyone else. Unfortunately, everyone else was able to copy it. A hugely influential chap and I love him for what he did here last time but it's a no from me. I am (very reluctantly) coming around to the same view. It's actually the Leeds fans with Bielsa recently that made me realise. There are so many parallels. As soon as teams worked Bielsa out they were so so easy to play against. 1 pass through the press and you're in. I didn't get how they still fawned over him. Just like I ignore everything after 17/18 with Wagner, they ignore that last season with Bielsa when he was taking them down. In reality, I think they both brought something very novel to England but both have become outdated and now fairly comfortable to play against. |
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Post by digs on May 3, 2023 17:43:39 GMT 1
He got lucky at Town,he's not really that good
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Post by pterrier on May 3, 2023 17:45:13 GMT 1
Can’t believe we are considering a coach like Wagner as not being good enough to manage us, baffled. This is the same club who have recently appointed Jan Siewert, the Cowley brothers, Danny Schofield and Mark Fotheringham … if that doesn’t give you an indication about the quality we are used to then I despair. For me, we’d be very lucky to have Wagner back; he’s the type of manager who suits a club like ours. He’ll train an average set of players hard to make them better, we don’t have the finances to go out there and spend big; we have to create the players themselves and Wagner has proven he can do that, I’m sure he could do it again.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on May 3, 2023 17:47:35 GMT 1
He got lucky at Town,he's not really that good This. Very hard for so many on here to swallow, but it's the truth.  |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 3, 2023 17:48:52 GMT 1
Can’t believe we are considering a coach like Wagner as not being good enough to manage us, baffled. This is the same club who have recently appointed Jan Siewert, the Cowley brothers, Danny Schofield and Mark Fotheringham … if that doesn’t give you an indication about the quality we are used to then I despair. For me, we’d be very lucky to have Wagner back; he’s the type of manager who suits a club like ours. He’ll train an average set of players hard to make them better, we don’t have the finances to go out there and spend big; we have to create the players themselves and Wagner has proven he can do that, I’m sure he could do it again. Sometimes a Manager fits with just one club. I agree with your points. That list you quote confirms an absolute catalogue of errors. |
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Post by dm on May 3, 2023 17:49:51 GMT 1
Utter legend for Town but has pretty much failed everywhere since Premier League season 2. I'd look elsewhere. I still love DW though.
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Post by pterrier on May 3, 2023 17:50:39 GMT 1
He got lucky at Town,he's not really that good This. Very hard for so many on here to swallow, but it's the truth. He got lucky?! What an absolute load of twaddle. Luck doesn’t get u promoted with the third smallest budget in the league and keep you in the premier league the following season. |
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Post by impact on May 3, 2023 17:53:34 GMT 1
He got lucky at Town,he's not really that good He didn't get lucky, not a chance. He turned a club around, implemented something totally new and took a club with one of the lowest budgets in the league to the top flight. He pushed the top 2, one of whom smashed the wage record in the championship and around 8x our bill. He then kept us up the year after with the smallest budget by miles. It wasn't luck. It was brilliant coaching. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on May 3, 2023 17:53:50 GMT 1
He got lucky at Town,he's not really that good This. Very hard for so many on here to swallow, but it's the truth. Sorry, but it isn’t the truth. I don’t think he could do it again but to brush off a quite remarkable chapter of our history as “lucky” is ridiculous. He pretty much overhauled the culture of the club, made marvellously astute signings and planned a campaign of near perfection against the odds. The shine began to fade when faced with the mountainous PL challenge, but he scaled that height too. I don’t want him back and don’t think he will ever get the stars to align as magically ever again but it wasn’t luck. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on May 3, 2023 17:55:56 GMT 1
We do not know where the new owner/Owners want to take the club. They may well change the model of what we are currently doing or stick with it, it remains to be seen. However I do feel Wagner should have come back, when given the chance, but this is the third job he has not jsut failed at , but spectuarley failed at that.
Out of Coberan and Wagner , if i had my choice of who to return, i know who i would pick and its not DW - I respect what he achieved here, but his career has taken a nose dive, that he seems hard pressed to get himself out of anytime soon.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 3, 2023 17:56:09 GMT 1
He got lucky at Town,he's not really that good He didn't get lucky, not a chance. He turned a club around, implemented something totally new and took a club with one of the lowest budgets in the league to the top flight. He pushed the top 2, one of whom smashed the wage record in the championship and around 8x our bill. He then kept us up the year after with the smallest budget by miles. It wasn't luck. It was brilliant coaching. Of course it was. How the hell can you be lucky for that length of time. He transformed our club, put us back on the football map and made us all smile for 2 whole years. |
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Post by ball on May 3, 2023 18:00:11 GMT 1
Think him coming back moment has passed, if he’d of returned instead of MF it felt right and was so desperate for that to happen when it was being rumoured. When the American owners got announced it slightly crossed my mind about his potential return but now feels like a clean break start from Hoyle etc and I think that needs a new face. Hopefully whoever it is can connect us like he, and Warnock lately, did
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Post by rockwall on May 3, 2023 18:00:59 GMT 1
Some clubs are just made for certain people.
Nathan Jones prime example. Class in 2 spells at Luton but absolute dross at Stoke and Southampton.
But I wouldn't want him back. Potential to tarnish his reputation here.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on May 3, 2023 18:06:41 GMT 1
He got lucky at Town,he's not really that good Nobody has ever won promotion to the premier by being lucky |
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Post by Captainslapper on May 3, 2023 18:07:05 GMT 1
He got lucky at Town,he's not really that good This. Very hard for so many on here to swallow, but it's the truth. I dont think it is. he didnt 'luckily' bring in load of players, from Germany mainly, and transform a struggling side into a team that could go up into the PL. theres a lot more to doing that than luck! He found a system that worked,, brought in the right players to play it ,, inspired them, and inspired the crowd to support them... and the whole thing was very successful...until it wasnt. And that where he flounders.. when things start to go wrong. He doesnt seem to be able to change things and make them go right again. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on May 3, 2023 18:14:18 GMT 1
He got lucky at Town,he's not really that good This. Very hard for so many on here to swallow, but it's the truth. I don't suppose you have any empirical evidence to back up this "truth" of yours ? |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on May 3, 2023 18:14:37 GMT 1
Will always be a legend but should have taken the job (or been offered the job) when Schofield left. Too late now.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on May 3, 2023 18:20:24 GMT 1
He got lucky at Town, he's not really that goodThis. Very hard for so many on here to swallow, but it's the truth. Apologies to all who have responded; I had meant to highlight that section of digs' comment. I don't think that he was lucky either, but I also believe that his time at Town was a 'blip', his 'Golden Hour', his '15 minutes of fame'. He's never come close to repeating it anywhere else. But let's not rake over the coals all over again - I simply wouldn't want him back. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 3, 2023 18:23:01 GMT 1
Lucky my arse, noone can have that amount of luck over 2 seasons. He turned our club around, to the extent that his methods were copied by loads of Championship teams.
We were garbage when he came in, perennial relegation scrappers. He quickly assessed what was needed & he gave us a team of champs not chumps.
It may have been the perfect storm &, as a result, luck was involved but how any Town fan can claim Wagner got us to where he did by luck alone is just plain wrong. I can't even understand any Town fan would say that, they must be on the wind up.
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Post by paulmat on May 3, 2023 18:24:00 GMT 1
And that where he flounders.. when things start to go wrong. He doesnt seem to be able to change things and make them go right again. I don't think this is true either, not with Town anyway. We had an awful run in the promotion season (Oct and Nov) with 1 win in 8 and 5 defeats. We responded really well. We also ended the regular season badly but won the play offs. We had runs of 4 and 5 succesive defeats in the 1st premier league season and managed to bounce back. Even in the relegation season we responded from a bad start to be 14th after Wolves. With Schalke he couldn't turn it round but nor could 4 managers after he left, and at Young Boys he didn't get much time after things started going wrong. If he gets next season at Norwich that will be a real test of where he is at. |
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