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Post by willo on May 3, 2023 18:24:05 GMT 1
He got lucky at Town,he's not really that good Nobody has ever won promotion to the premier by being lucky Totally agree. You may be able to win a cup with a bit of luck but never promotion, not in so many games over a whole season. By your argument, Ranieri got lucky when he led Leicester City to the Premier League title.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 3, 2023 18:25:34 GMT 1
This. Very hard for so many on here to swallow, but it's the truth. Apologies to all who have responded; I had meant to highlight that section of digs' comment. I don't think that he was lucky either, but I also believe that his time at Town was a 'blip', his 'Golden Hour', his '15 minutes of fame'. He's never come close to repeating it anywhere else. But let's not rake over the coals all over again - I simply wouldn't want him back. Fair enough
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Post by Metch on May 3, 2023 18:25:37 GMT 1
Wagner got lucky with Aaron Mooy but everything else he earnt. But would we have been promoted without Mooy, probably not.
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Post by Melc on May 3, 2023 18:28:15 GMT 1
Where does it say he is facing the sack?
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on May 3, 2023 18:29:18 GMT 1
Nobody has ever won promotion to the premier by being lucky Totally agree. You may be able to win a cup with a bit of luck but never promotion, not in so many games over a whole season. By your argument, Ranieri got lucky when he led Leicester City to the Premier League title. I wouldn't argue against that claim. Yes, he did really well, and yes, he had some great players in Vardy, Mahrez, Schmeichel, et alia, but... This was a season which featured a perfect storm, when each of the Big Six kept beating one another, and none of them could get much of a run going. It hadn't happened before and it's never happened since - fluke? Quite possibly...
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on May 3, 2023 18:31:46 GMT 1
Where does it say he is facing the sack? "The Canaries knew that a victory would have given them an outside chance of edging into sixth place, but Wallace's goal prompted calls for the head of manager David Wagner, who has won just seven out of 19 league games since he took charge in January."www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65356904
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 3, 2023 18:31:54 GMT 1
I really couldn't give a shit what he did or didn't do for anyone else. The man is right up there in managerial royalty for me. In my 50 years of watching Town he gave me the best Town team I've seen & managed to unite our club. He can do no wrong for me - he got my boys truly invested in Town, for that alone, I will always love him.
Would I want him back? I'm actually torn, what he achieved first time was a miracle, could he do it again? Probably not but who could?
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Post by bluestripe on May 3, 2023 18:47:14 GMT 1
This. Very hard for so many on here to swallow, but it's the truth. Sorry, but it isn’t the truth. I don’t think he could do it again but to brush off a quite remarkable chapter of our history as “lucky” is ridiculous. He pretty much overhauled the culture of the club, made marvellously astute signings and planned a campaign of near perfection against the odds. The shine began to fade when faced with the mountainous PL challenge, but he scaled that height too. I don’t want him back and don’t think he will ever get the stars to align as magically ever again but it wasn’t luck. Definitely not luck what was achieved. We were lucky that he was right place right time.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 3, 2023 18:50:33 GMT 1
Luck goes hand in hand with success. You can’t have success and be unlucky! Luck was a factor in the promotion season but a very, very distant second to superb coaching and culture. What he did in the top flight first season was an even greater achievement with pretty much zero luck.
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Post by crux on May 3, 2023 18:52:27 GMT 1
Where does it say he is facing the sack? "The Canaries knew that a victory would have given them an outside chance of edging into sixth place, but Wallace's goal prompted calls for the head of manager David Wagner, who has won just seven out of 19 league games since he took charge in January."www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65356904But the report was bullshit. The supporters weren't calling for the sacking of Wagner they were calling for the sacking of the Director of Football Stuart Webber and have been for quite a while.
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Post by henryc on May 3, 2023 18:59:26 GMT 1
Wagner back with Warnock hanging around in some kind of role would certainly get the hairs up on the back of my neck.
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Post by Das Jackpot on May 3, 2023 19:02:09 GMT 1
A lot are looking at his tenure here with obvious fondness for the guy and rightly so. Would I want him back no... for two reasons 1/ Like some have pointed out he hasn't achieved anything since leaving. 2/ On a personnel level for him I wouldn't want the fans on his back if things went belly up Leave it consigned to history, the guy will always be welcome in Huddersfield but not on a managerial level for me. Good luck to him forthe future whatever that may hold.
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Post by ldr on May 3, 2023 19:04:25 GMT 1
Wow! Wagner got lucky! You think you’ve heard it all about Town, then you hear something totally, utterly and profoundly wrong as this. In other news, Jackson lacked charisma and Buxton was fucking useless!
Saying that, I would not want him back now or any time in the near future. I think the Norwich job was a real test to see if he still has ‘it’. I’m not totally sure what ‘it’ is but he clearly doesn’t have it any more. With regret, it’s a no from me but I still love the bones of the bloke. Great memories.
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Post by digs on May 3, 2023 19:26:03 GMT 1
Lucky my arse, noone can have that amount of luck over 2 seasons. He turned our club around, to the extent that his methods were copied by loads of Championship teams. We were garbage when he came in, perennial relegation scrappers. He quickly assessed what was needed & he gave us a team of champs not chumps. It may have been the perfect storm &, as a result, luck was involved but how any Town fan can claim Wagner got us to where he did by luck alone is just plain wrong. I can't even understand any Town fan would say that, they must be on the wind up. Am I the sort of person to wind people up or joke?
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Post by ldotm on May 3, 2023 19:42:53 GMT 1
This. Very hard for so many on here to swallow, but it's the truth. He got lucky?! What an absolute load of twaddle. Luck doesn’t get u promoted with the third smallest budget in the league and keep you in the premier league the following season. Classic handful of town fans, if we have success it’s luck, if we fail it’s our utter incompetence. Any excuse to be negative/knock the club they love. Baffles me.
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Post by 3Pipe on May 3, 2023 19:43:32 GMT 1
Am I the sort of person to wind people up or joke? You? Never, mate.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 3, 2023 19:49:07 GMT 1
Lucky my arse, noone can have that amount of luck over 2 seasons. He turned our club around, to the extent that his methods were copied by loads of Championship teams. We were garbage when he came in, perennial relegation scrappers. He quickly assessed what was needed & he gave us a team of champs not chumps. It may have been the perfect storm &, as a result, luck was involved but how any Town fan can claim Wagner got us to where he did by luck alone is just plain wrong. I can't even understand any Town fan would say that, they must be on the wind up. Am I the sort of person to wind people up or joke? No mate, I wasn't meaning you, just the other guy.... I assumed you were pissed
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Post by htafcokay on May 3, 2023 19:51:42 GMT 1
Let it go, Wagner is rubbish now..
Is that three clubs he's now been a failure at?
One of our best managers ever but I wouldn't want him back just as I wouldn't want Mick Buxton back.
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Post by digs on May 3, 2023 19:53:04 GMT 1
Am I the sort of person to wind people up or joke? You? Never, mate. 🤣
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Post by htafcokay on May 3, 2023 19:54:22 GMT 1
"The Canaries knew that a victory would have given them an outside chance of edging into sixth place, but Wallace's goal prompted calls for the head of manager David Wagner, who has won just seven out of 19 league games since he took charge in January."www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65356904 But the report was bullshit. The supporters weren't calling for the sacking of Wagner they were calling for the sacking of the Director of Football Stuart Webber and have been for quite a while. Some Norwich fans see him as Webber's puppet. Webber is as popular in Norwich as Bromby is in Huddersfield.
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Post by mrg on May 3, 2023 19:56:04 GMT 1
People saying he's failed spectacularly, same as he did here from November 2015 to end of 16 season?
Obviously he needs an opportunity to bring in players he wants. If they don't give him that chance what was the point in bringing him in in the first place?
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on May 3, 2023 20:02:50 GMT 1
The takeover is a fresh start. Look forwards not backwards.
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Post by ldr on May 3, 2023 20:14:16 GMT 1
The takeover is a fresh start. Look forwards not backwards. Yeah, totally agree. Let’s get Fotheringham back!
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Post by royrace on May 3, 2023 20:32:00 GMT 1
Id take him back here all day long, yes it might tarnish the legacy a little but what and who is the alternative? Bit simplistic saying all managers who fail somewhere are crap! Are we also writing off Dean Smith? Pretty much any manager in the world will have failures on their CV and there are extenuating circumstances. The Norwich job pretty much the polar opposite to the one he took on here. Could it happen? Probably not but in this life you always meet twice We could, and have, done a lot, lot, LOT worse than Sir David Wagner!
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Post by ColchTerrier on May 3, 2023 20:35:20 GMT 1
People saying he's failed spectacularly, same as he did here from November 2015 to end of 16 season? Obviously he needs an opportunity to bring in players he wants. If they don't give him that chance what was the point in bringing him in in the first place? Been dead unlucky with injuries also I think.
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Post by Porrohman on May 3, 2023 20:38:31 GMT 1
Can’t believe we are considering a coach like Wagner as not being good enough to manage us, baffled. This is the same club who have recently appointed Jan Siewert, the Cowley brothers, Danny Schofield and Mark Fotheringham … if that doesn’t give you an indication about the quality we are used to then I despair. For me, we’d be very lucky to have Wagner back; he’s the type of manager who suits a club like ours. He’ll train an average set of players hard to make them better, we don’t have the finances to go out there and spend big; we have to create the players themselves and Wagner has proven he can do that, I’m sure he could do it again. He's done bugger all since May 2018
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Post by waggers on May 3, 2023 20:39:07 GMT 1
Agree with those above, it would make no sense really. It's a new beginning for Town (hopefully in the Championship) and DW has not really achieved much since his time here. Leave the memories in the past. I know what you're saying and if you take out the strong memories you're probably right. I don't know what it hasn't worked for him everywhere he's been since he left us, might just be the case that the stars aligned when he turned up here. I hope they keep him and he has a good next season obviously aside from when they play us. Will always love Wagner but it might be the case that we need a complete reboot.
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 3, 2023 20:43:15 GMT 1
Norwich won’t be sacking Wagner and if they did I would take him here in a heartbeat. Norwich need a pre season with DW and I for one will be having a cheeky little bet on them gaining promotion next year if they stay with him. Too many town fans happy to put the man down on this forum , beggars belief after what he did and how he did it here. A bloody messiah, hom and warnock. I saw his interview after the wba game , didn’t look like a man down trod or beaten more like a man really looking forward to next year with huge ambition.
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Post by ACW on May 3, 2023 20:44:36 GMT 1
He got lucky at Town,he's not really that good This. Very hard for so many on here to swallow, but it's the truth. A very lucky man. Lucky for two whole seasons. That's going some.
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Post by Porrohman on May 3, 2023 20:46:31 GMT 1
Id take him back here all day long, yes it might tarnish the legacy a little but what and who is the alternative? Bit simplistic saying all managers who fail somewhere are crap! Are we also writing off Dean Smith? Pretty much any manager in the world will have failures on their CV and there are extenuating circumstances. The Norwich job pretty much the polar opposite to the one he took on here. Could it happen? Probably not but in this life you always meet twice We could, and have, done a lot, lot, LOT worse than Sir David Wagner! He's only had failures since he left us, is that just bad luck 🤨
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