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Post by mosher on May 4, 2023 10:22:13 GMT 1
Bring back Lee Clark so we can go unbeaten virtually a whole season again. And still not get promoted  |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on May 4, 2023 10:46:27 GMT 1
I wouldn't want Wagner to come back to us - The worst thing he could do is return and tarnish his legendary (or lucky to an odd few) status with us.
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Post by waggers on May 4, 2023 10:47:01 GMT 1
I genuinely wonder if any other clubs' fans have such an obsession with bringing back former players and managers or if it's just us? From my experience I believe they do, same with anything you keep a strong admiration for someone who helped create something brilliant for something you care about. The journey with Wagner was remarkable there aren't many teams especially of our size who have that sort of experience to look back on these days so it's understandable why people still bring his name up. |
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Post by rickrast on May 4, 2023 10:53:34 GMT 1
Bring back Lee Clark so we can go unbeaten virtually a whole season again. And still not get promoted Clarky is a media man now....more likely to replace Steve Chicken at the Examiner! I can't see Wagner leaving Norwich at this time. He's only had half a season with them....missed the last transfer window....and is apparently looking forward to addressing many of the squad problems during the summer. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 4, 2023 11:07:06 GMT 1
Norwich won’t be sacking Wagner and if they did I would take him here in a heartbeat. Norwich need a pre season with DW and I for one will be having a cheeky little bet on them gaining promotion next year if they stay with him. Too many town fans happy to put the man down on this forum , beggars belief after what he did and how he did it here. A bloody messiah, hom and warnock. I saw his interview after the wba game , didn’t look like a man down trod or beaten more like a man really looking forward to next year with huge ambition. Save your dosh. Happily back that up, it’s easy to be clever on here but at the start of season if DW is still at Norwich we can do the bet on betfair I will back you lay it. If you’re adamant he’s no good we can put the bet on and pick up my money it’s that easy. If you’re up for this I will PM you and at the start of season place the bet. As you’re so adamant YOU CAN MAKE SOME DOSH. If he’s still there. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 4, 2023 11:24:38 GMT 1
Happily back that up, it’s easy to be clever on here but at the start of season if DW is still at Norwich we can do the bet on betfair I will back you lay it. If you’re adamant he’s no good we can put the bet on and pick up my money it’s that easy. If you’re up for this I will PM you and at the start of season place the bet. As you’re so clever YOU CAN MAKE SOME DOSH. If he’s still there. Thanks for the offer, but as a recovering gambling addict, I don't gamble and haven't done for almost six years. I find your post a bit aggressive, to be honest. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 4, 2023 11:27:57 GMT 1
Happily back that up, it’s easy to be clever on here but at the start of season if DW is still at Norwich we can do the bet on betfair I will back you lay it. If you’re adamant he’s no good we can put the bet on and pick up my money it’s that easy. If you’re up for this I will PM you and at the start of season place the bet. As you’re so clever YOU CAN MAKE SOME DOSH. If he’s still there. Thanks for the offer, but as a recovering gambling addict, I don't gamble and haven't done for almost six years. I find your post a bit aggressive, to be honest. That doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Apologies for offering you the bet, noticed you’d been online awhile pondering your reply . Sorry for putting you in that position I do apologise. |
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Post by waggers on May 4, 2023 11:29:17 GMT 1
Happily back that up, it’s easy to be clever on here but at the start of season if DW is still at Norwich we can do the bet on betfair I will back you lay it. If you’re adamant he’s no good we can put the bet on and pick up my money it’s that easy. If you’re up for this I will PM you and at the start of season place the bet. As you’re so clever YOU CAN MAKE SOME DOSH. If he’s still there. Thanks for the offer, but as a recovering gambling addict, I don't gamble and haven't done for almost six years. I find your post a bit aggressive, to be honest. I don't think his post was aggressive at all he's just offered a bet based off your post. How is he supposed to know your personal circumstances. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 4, 2023 11:33:16 GMT 1
Thanks for the offer, but as a recovering gambling addict, I don't gamble and haven't done for almost six years. I find your post a bit aggressive, to be honest. That doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Apologies for offering you the bet, noticed you’d been online awhile pondering your reply . Sorry for putting you in that position I do apologise. Wasn't pondering anything, I hadn't seen the reply. No need to apologise, but there's the reasons for not wanting to bet. I think you should save your dosh because I don't think there's any chance of Wagner ever replicating what he did here in the Championship again. The world has moved on, he's no longer a young exciting managers with new ideas, his time has gone. Obviously he's going to held in high esteem here for what he did, no-one is ever going to dispute that, but since he left us, he's been pretty dreadful at three different clubs in three different divisions. I wish him all the best but he's never going to top what he did here and neither will any of those players. It was a moment in time, everything fell into place. It won't happen again. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 4, 2023 11:34:26 GMT 1
Thanks for the offer, but as a recovering gambling addict, I don't gamble and haven't done for almost six years. I find your post a bit aggressive, to be honest. I don't think his post was aggressive at all he's just offered a bet based off your post. How is he supposed to know your personal circumstances. "As you’re so clever YOU CAN MAKE SOME DOSH". I just felt that was pretty unnecessary, to be honest but okay. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 4, 2023 11:36:21 GMT 1
Thanks for the offer, but as a recovering gambling addict, I don't gamble and haven't done for almost six years. I find your post a bit aggressive, to be honest. I don't think his post was aggressive at all he's just offered a bet based off your post. How is he supposed to know your personal circumstances. 👍 it’s a world where people get offended very easily often to suit their agenda. Obviously not in this case 😁 |
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Post by htafcokay on May 4, 2023 11:38:46 GMT 1
I don't think his post was aggressive at all he's just offered a bet based off your post. How is he supposed to know your personal circumstances. 👍 it’s a world where people get offended very easily often to suit their agenda. Obviously not in this case 😁 I'm not offended. I just didn't appreciate the aggressive post when all I literally said was "save your dosh". |
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Post by brighousebandbred on May 4, 2023 11:39:31 GMT 1
👍 it’s a world where people get offended very easily often to suit their agenda. Obviously not in this case 😁 I'm not offended. I just didn't appreciate the aggressive post when all I literally said was "save your dosh". Ok 👍 |
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Post by shawsie on May 4, 2023 12:00:00 GMT 1
That doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. Apologies for offering you the bet, noticed you’d been online awhile pondering your reply . Sorry for putting you in that position I do apologise. Wasn't pondering anything, I hadn't seen the reply. No need to apologise, but there's the reasons for not wanting to bet. I think you should save your dosh because I don't think there's any chance of Wagner ever replicating what he did here in the Championship again. The world has moved on, he's no longer a young exciting managers with new ideas, his time has gone. Obviously he's going to held in high esteem here for what he did, no-one is ever going to dispute that, but since he left us, he's been pretty dreadful at three different clubs in three different divisions. I wish him all the best but he's never going to top what he did here and neither will any of those players. It was a moment in time, everything fell into place. It won't happen again. If you'd asked me a few months ago I would have gladly taken Wagner back - certainly ahead of Rab Nesbitt.......................but i feel its now time to move on. The club needs an exciting new chapter and not a look back to halcyon days that most likely cant be repeated with the same protagonists. |
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Post by Porrohman on May 4, 2023 12:20:17 GMT 1
I genuinely wonder if any other clubs' fans have such an obsession with bringing back former players and managers or if it's just us? And making excuses as to why it's not happened at other clubs for them. |
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Post by andyboothscat on May 4, 2023 12:37:38 GMT 1
I've said since 2019 that he'll definitely be back at some point - absolutely no doubt. BUT it'll be at a point when the stock of both him personally AND the club is far reduced from what it was in 2019 - thus it being mutually convenient to try and reignite an old spark.
We are not far from that point now - particularly if we lose the next two games. That would be two relegations and three failed restarts in a row from DW....?
It will definitely happen at some point, in some form though. Clubs and managers cant help themselves but go back!!
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Post by andyboothscat on May 4, 2023 12:38:50 GMT 1
I've said since 2019 that he'll definitely be back at some point - absolutely no doubt. BUT it'll be at a point when the stock of both him personally AND the club is far reduced from what it was in 2019 - thus it being mutually convenient to try and reignite an old spark. We are not far from that point now - particularly if we lose the next two games. That would be two relegations and three failed restarts in a row from DW....? It will definitely happen at some point, in some form though. Clubs and managers cant help themselves but go back!! and it will almost certainly end in tears! |
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Post by townarentbest on May 4, 2023 12:40:03 GMT 1
There's always an excuse isn't there? Such a great manager that has left his last three clubs in a worse position than he found them in. But people just won't have it. How many managers ever leave a club in a BETTER position than when they joined them, especially if they join a top flight club? And since he's not left Norwich, I assume you're suggesting he left Town in a worse state than he joined us at. He didn't. He left us as a club that was going to be relegated from the Premier League, having taken over a club that had not finished higher than 16th in the Championship in the 15 or so prior seasons. That the club has been ran as a basket case, and performed poorly in this league in 3 out of 4 seasons since then, is not on Wagner one bit. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 4, 2023 12:58:53 GMT 1
There's always an excuse isn't there? Such a great manager that has left his last three clubs in a worse position than he found them in. But people just won't have it. How many managers ever leave a club in a BETTER position than when they joined them, especially if they join a top flight club? And since he's not left Norwich, I assume you're suggesting he left Town in a worse state than he joined us at. He didn't. He left us as a club that was going to be relegated from the Premier League, having taken over a club that had not finished higher than 16th in the Championship in the 15 or so prior seasons. That the club has been ran as a basket case, and performed poorly in this league in 3 out of 4 seasons since then, is not on Wagner one bit. I am not suggesting he left Town in a worse state. I certainly am suggesting that Norwich are in a worse position now than they were under Dean Smith. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on May 4, 2023 13:02:31 GMT 1
I wouldn’t want Wagner if he was sacked for one reason only….
We have become a life raft for journey men, failed footballers and cast offs. Wagner will be lucky to get another championship job, we shouldn’t be the ones to throw him the life raft. Let’s move on from this mindset and target managers and players performing at a high level.
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Post by araucaria on May 4, 2023 15:44:09 GMT 1
Started like a house on fire at Schalke and Norwich (19 points from first 9 matches, and at times, really good to watch) - not sure what qualifies as on fire at Young Boys - but not only couldn't sustain it, but started losing at much the same rate that he had been winning. The same instant improvement in performances at Town but not so much in results. I suppose that he was under considerably less pressure at Town and so improved things more gradually. That horrific run in December 2018 with Mooy absent has been pretty much repeated everywhere he's been. I'd certainly have him back, but we'd have to watch closely to distinguish between a blip in form and the start of a horrific run.
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Post by impact on May 4, 2023 16:38:54 GMT 1
I wouldn't argue against that claim. Yes, he did really well, and yes, he had some great players in Vardy, Mahrez, Schmeichel, et alia, but... This was a season which featured a perfect storm, when each of the Big Six kept beating one another, and none of them could get much of a run going. It hadn't happened before and it's never happened since - fluke? Quite possibly... Id agree. Think Ranieri is a much better example of 'luck'. He inherited that Leicester side and he didnt really change anything. The team were already playing in that style under Nigel Pearson and had finished the previous season like a train doing it. Even during the title season he didnt have to change anything...no real injuries to speak of...just sent the same players out game after game, to carry on playing the same way regardless of the opposition. His main task was psychological, to stop the players choking as the finishing line came into sight, and he did that very well. I remember you making this point before. I can't actually believe you think that's all that happened. Leicester had a great end to the season, winning 7 of their last 9, but most of them were against bottom half clubs. They were playing 3 at the back, Ranieri changed it to a 4. They brought in 3 of their key players in Kante, Fuchs and Okazaki over the summer who hadn't played in the old team. And the fact they had a 3 month break itself. To suggest he did very little except say just carry on like you were before and make sure they didn't get ahead of themselves is nonsense. There's a reason they were 5000/1 to win the league. If it was that easy of just carrying on a good run at the end of 1 season, anyone could do it. As we have seen this year, the manager is of vital importance. |
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Post by frankslegs on May 4, 2023 17:49:32 GMT 1
Back to Wagner - whichever club he has been at the goals for column is low.Sadly his pissing about at the back with splitting the centre halves and lone striker up front with no support was picked up by CC and Schofield.It’s outdated and too many matches under all three were dull dull dull.
So no I do not want him back and I will forever be thankful for that 16/17/season.
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Post by Moooooy on May 4, 2023 18:21:52 GMT 1
Back to Wagner - whichever club he has been at the goals for column is low.Sadly his pissing about at the back with splitting the centre halves and lone striker up front with no support was picked up by CC and Schofield.It’s outdated and too many matches under all three were dull dull dull. So no I do not want him back and I will forever be thankful for that 16/17/season. And 17/18. Everyone reminisces about 16/17 but he kept us in the Premier League beating Man Utd and getting points at Stamford Bridge and The Etihad. I don’t think he’ll be coming back but I wouldn’t be against it if we built the club around him. Some managers suit certain clubs. |
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Post by Jimuano on May 4, 2023 22:29:50 GMT 1
Get him back here next season😂
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Post by turbo2 on May 4, 2023 22:32:50 GMT 1
Warnock has shown exactly why we don’t want Wagner back. Our squad isn’t good enough on the ball at the back.
We’ve hardly given sheff u a chance tonight because our defence doesn’t play with it and make mistakes.
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Post by midge on May 4, 2023 22:51:36 GMT 1
Warnock has shown exactly why we don’t want Wagner back. Our squad isn’t good enough on the ball at the back. We’ve hardly given sheff u a chance tonight because our defence doesn’t play with it and make mistakes. #gerritforrad #putitinrowz 🤣🤣 |
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Post by rab030 on May 4, 2023 23:07:01 GMT 1
I genuinely wonder if any other clubs' fans have such an obsession with bringing back former players and managers or if it's just us? Peterborough ?? |
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Post by turbo2 on May 4, 2023 23:09:51 GMT 1
Warnock has shown exactly why we don’t want Wagner back. Our squad isn’t good enough on the ball at the back. We’ve hardly given sheff u a chance tonight because our defence doesn’t play with it and make mistakes. #gerritforrad #putitinrowz 🤣🤣 You may take the piss midge. But that’s what has changed |
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Post by midge on May 4, 2023 23:19:05 GMT 1
#gerritforrad #putitinrowz 🤣🤣 You may take the piss midge. But that’s what has changed It has mate in a needs must situation! i am boring myself repeating this but let's not forget that our 2 most successful managers of the last god knows how many years have played out from the back? The ideal would be a mix of the 2 - man manager who plays a bit of football but no idea who that would be🤷🏼 |
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