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Post by mids on May 5, 2023 0:00:39 GMT 1
You may take the piss midge. But that’s what has changed It has mate in a needs must situation! i am boring myself repeating this but let's not forget that our 2 most successful managers of the last god knows how many years have played out from the back? The ideal would be a mix of the 2 - man manager who plays a bit of football but no idea who that would be🤷🏼 Jimmy Gilbertson, with our Paul up front  |
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on May 5, 2023 0:40:59 GMT 1
There's always an excuse isn't there? Such a great manager that has left his last three clubs in a worse position than he found them in. But people just won't have it. especially if they join a top flight club? And since he's not left Norwich, I assume you're suggesting he left Town in a worse state than he joined us at. He didn't. He left us as a club that was going to be relegated from the Premier League, having taken over a club that had not finished higher than 16th in the Championship in the 15 or so prior seasons. That the club has been ran as a basket case, and performed poorly in this league in 3 out of 4 seasons since then, is not on Wagner one bit. Warnock - twice!!! 😄 |
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Post by waggers on May 8, 2023 16:44:29 GMT 1
I think this will be his last game at Norwich. It's a shame always hoping he finds that perfect fit again his stock is reducing after every appointment.
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Post by El Mel on May 8, 2023 17:16:44 GMT 1
Hopefully his Norwich appointment puts to bed any thoughts that Wagner should come back to Huddersfield.
He was an important cog in a successful machine here before, but he’s not a master mechanic by a long shot.,
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Post by ACW on May 8, 2023 17:59:27 GMT 1
You may take the piss midge. But that’s what has changed It has mate in a needs must situation! i am boring myself repeating this but let's not forget that our 2 most successful managers of the last god knows how many years have played out from the back? The ideal would be a mix of the 2 - man manager who plays a bit of football but no idea who that would be🤷🏼 What Warnock has done has been amazing. Absolutely incredible. He is rightly a hero to all Town fans. That said, I really don't want to watch the ball being launched downfield for 46 games next season. I'd hope to see a lot more football played, more possession and much improved passing accuracy. As you say, it's was a needs must situation for Warnock, but I don't want to be watching 90 mins of long balls, throws ins chucked down the line and free kicks launched into the box. I know it's all down to personal taste, but I just don't find that sort of football entertaining. Not every week. And before anyone pipes up, no I don't want to see the ball continually passed across the back four either. It's not an either or situation - direct football or "pissing about at the back". It is possible to play passing football without "pissing about" at the back. I guess it will all come down to who we appoint as manager and what players they have at their disposal. It will be an interesting summer. |
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Post by joek on May 8, 2023 19:58:39 GMT 1
It has mate in a needs must situation! i am boring myself repeating this but let's not forget that our 2 most successful managers of the last god knows how many years have played out from the back? The ideal would be a mix of the 2 - man manager who plays a bit of football but no idea who that would be🤷🏼 What Warnock has done has been amazing. Absolutely incredible. He is rightly a hero to all Town fans. That said, I really don't want to watch the ball being launched downfield for 46 games next season. I'd hope to see a lot more football played, more possession and much improved passing accuracy. As you say, it's was a needs must situation for Warnock, but I don't want to be watching 90 mins of long balls, throws ins chucked down the line and free kicks launched into the box. I know it's all down to personal taste, but I just don't find that sort of football entertaining. Not every week. And before anyone pipes up, no I don't want to see the ball continually passed across the back four either. It's not an either or situation - direct football or "pissing about at the back". It is possible to play passing football without "pissing about" at the back. I guess it will all come down to who we appoint as manager and what players they have at their disposal. It will be an interesting summer. My favourite style of football is one that results in winning games. |
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Post by ACW on May 8, 2023 20:09:23 GMT 1
What Warnock has done has been amazing. Absolutely incredible. He is rightly a hero to all Town fans. That said, I really don't want to watch the ball being launched downfield for 46 games next season. I'd hope to see a lot more football played, more possession and much improved passing accuracy. As you say, it's was a needs must situation for Warnock, but I don't want to be watching 90 mins of long balls, throws ins chucked down the line and free kicks launched into the box. I know it's all down to personal taste, but I just don't find that sort of football entertaining. Not every week. And before anyone pipes up, no I don't want to see the ball continually passed across the back four either. It's not an either or situation - direct football or "pissing about at the back". It is possible to play passing football without "pissing about" at the back. I guess it will all come down to who we appoint as manager and what players they have at their disposal. It will be an interesting summer. My favourite style of football is one that results in winning games. Fair enough. A lot of people share your view. Personally, I am not entertained by long ball football, irrespective of the result. Never have been, never will be. For me the result is not the be all and end all. It's the most important thing obviously, but not the only thing. I prefer to enjoy the match as well as the final result. And seeing the ball continually knocked long and high isn't my idea of entertainment. |
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Post by joek on May 8, 2023 20:29:33 GMT 1
My favourite style of football is one that results in winning games. Fair enough. A lot of people share your view. Personally, I am not entertained by long ball football, irrespective of the result. Never have been, never will be. For me the result is not the be all and end all. It's the most important thing obviously, but not the only thing. I prefer to enjoy the match as well as the final result. And seeing the ball continually knocked long and high isn't my idea of entertainment. I know what you mean, and I think there’s a balance to be struck, but at the end of the day, the result has to be the most important thing. Warnock got them playing exactly the way they needed to get results. With the squad as is at the moment, would be madness to move away from it as it’s shown it can work. On another note, think it must be conditioned in me now, I had my heart in my mouth everytime Naby Sarr had the ball at the back today, and he was on the opposition side! |
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Post by ebargum on May 8, 2023 20:39:37 GMT 1
Unless he has another Mooy and Schindler up his sleeve, it's a no from me...
Our next manager will also need similar key men though.
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Post by bells ringing :) on May 8, 2023 20:42:39 GMT 1
The question is with Wagner, can he repeat what he did here?
Thus far its hard to say that he could, he has goen in at Norwich and aruagbly made them worse, he failed at young boys and Schalke.
So far out of the 3 jobs he has had, he did well with us and failed at the others.
Therefore you would be asking for him to repeat something he may not be capable of doing.
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Post by ibby on May 8, 2023 21:52:28 GMT 1
No thanks to him.
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Post by 28901 on May 8, 2023 22:56:46 GMT 1
Spent force
His interview on Radio Leeds v Norwich he seemed like he thought he was above us.
Thanks for the memory but no thanks.
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Post by omegasupreme on May 8, 2023 23:20:36 GMT 1
It has mate in a needs must situation! i am boring myself repeating this but let's not forget that our 2 most successful managers of the last god knows how many years have played out from the back? The ideal would be a mix of the 2 - man manager who plays a bit of football but no idea who that would be🤷🏼 What Warnock has done has been amazing. Absolutely incredible. He is rightly a hero to all Town fans. That said, I really don't want to watch the ball being launched downfield for 46 games next season. I'd hope to see a lot more football played, more possession and much improved passing accuracy. As you say, it's was a needs must situation for Warnock, but I don't want to be watching 90 mins of long balls, throws ins chucked down the line and free kicks launched into the box. I know it's all down to personal taste, but I just don't find that sort of football entertaining. Not every week. And before anyone pipes up, no I don't want to see the ball continually passed across the back four either. It's not an either or situation - direct football or "pissing about at the back". It is possible to play passing football without "pissing about" at the back. I guess it will all come down to who we appoint as manager and what players they have at their disposal. It will be an interesting summer. Anyone would think we’ve not played some good football under Warnock. I think the concept of playing “long balls” under his reign is a complete myth. Yes he sacrificed needless possession and he certainly tells his centre halves to play safe but I think that’s different. Did you see the goals today? It’s felt exciting enough to me. |
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Post by delroy on May 8, 2023 23:51:55 GMT 1
It has mate in a needs must situation! i am boring myself repeating this but let's not forget that our 2 most successful managers of the last god knows how many years have played out from the back? The ideal would be a mix of the 2 - man manager who plays a bit of football but no idea who that would be🤷🏼 What Warnock has done has been amazing. Absolutely incredible. He is rightly a hero to all Town fans. That said, I really don't want to watch the ball being launched downfield for 46 games next season. I'd hope to see a lot more football played, more possession and much improved passing accuracy. As you say, it's was a needs must situation for Warnock, but I don't want to be watching 90 mins of long balls, throws ins chucked down the line and free kicks launched into the box. I know it's all down to personal taste, but I just don't find that sort of football entertaining. Not every week. And before anyone pipes up, no I don't want to see the ball continually passed across the back four either. It's not an either or situation - direct football or "pissing about at the back". It is possible to play passing football without "pissing about" at the back. I guess it will all come down to who we appoint as manager and what players they have at their disposal. It will be an interesting summer. I think like most supporters you prefer to see your team win. it's not how it's how may!! |
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Post by delroy on May 8, 2023 23:52:39 GMT 1
What Warnock has done has been amazing. Absolutely incredible. He is rightly a hero to all Town fans. That said, I really don't want to watch the ball being launched downfield for 46 games next season. I'd hope to see a lot more football played, more possession and much improved passing accuracy. As you say, it's was a needs must situation for Warnock, but I don't want to be watching 90 mins of long balls, throws ins chucked down the line and free kicks launched into the box. I know it's all down to personal taste, but I just don't find that sort of football entertaining. Not every week. And before anyone pipes up, no I don't want to see the ball continually passed across the back four either. It's not an either or situation - direct football or "pissing about at the back". It is possible to play passing football without "pissing about" at the back. I guess it will all come down to who we appoint as manager and what players they have at their disposal. It will be an interesting summer. I think like most supporters you prefer to see your team win. it's not how it's how many!! |
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Post by townarentbest on May 9, 2023 1:10:49 GMT 1
Spent force His interview on Radio Leeds v Norwich he seemed like he thought he was above us. Thanks for the memory but no thanks. he is 🤷♂️ |
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Post by rphyorks on May 9, 2023 1:23:43 GMT 1
I think like most supporters you prefer to see your team win. it's not how it's how may!! many FFS |
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Post by willo on May 9, 2023 1:25:04 GMT 1
My favourite style of football is one that results in winning games. Fair enough. A lot of people share your view. Personally, I am not entertained by long ball football, irrespective of the result. Never have been, never will be. For me the result is not the be all and end all. It's the most important thing obviously, but not the only thing. I prefer to enjoy the match as well as the final result. And seeing the ball continually knocked long and high isn't my idea of entertainment. I still find the ball being launched forward better than that godawful crab like football where teams continuously move it sideways across the pitch without really going anywhere, snooze football. I’ve found a lot of what we’ve played under Warnock these last few weeks pretty refreshing in all honesty and better than what we had under Corberan last season. He’s also gained 25 points in a 1/3 of the season playing this style. |
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Post by irverino on May 9, 2023 1:35:14 GMT 1
I thought Wagner & Webber have been given another season?......If not Delia will chop off/up their contract.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on May 9, 2023 1:52:50 GMT 1
My favourite style of football is one that results in winning games. Fair enough. A lot of people share your view. Personally, I am not entertained by long ball football, irrespective of the result. Never have been, never will be. For me the result is not the be all and end all. It's the most important thing obviously, but not the only thing. I prefer to enjoy the match as well as the final result. And seeing the ball continually knocked long and high isn't my idea of entertainment. Warnock still has the reputation of being a long-ball merchant or "dinosaur", but he doesn't really deserve it in my opinion. Sure, since he came in this time around we've been very direct- but we've also scored some fantastic goals. Even back in his first spell, we attacked down the wings as much as we did with long balls up the middle. I'm a Town fan first and a football fan second, I don't care if we're direct if it brings success. As for Wagner, when he was here before it was a real "lightning in a bottle" moment and he was bringing something new and unexpected to the Championship. Football has moved on in the ensuing six years, and from what I've seen of Norwich this season Wagner hasn't. |
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Post by duncfost01 on May 9, 2023 6:52:44 GMT 1
Wagner himself admitted everything aligned when he was here. It was a miracle really. Certainly without Mooy and Schindler we would never have gone up. Mooy controlled nearly every single game.
Norwich have a good squad and he has done nothing.
No for me, but will never forget those two seasons when everything aligned.
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Post by htafcokay on May 9, 2023 6:59:07 GMT 1
Thing is, when he came to Town, the impact was immediate. We looked like a completely different side within two weeks. Because of this, he got all the fans on board. And while we finished 19th it was a bit of a false position because we'd started to play some really good football and a lot of us were quite hopeful for the future.
At Norwich he hasn't done that, he's made them worse (according to their fans). Also, he's seen as Stuart Webber's man and their fans hate Webber, so he's on a loser straight away.
Also, it's years ago, and anyone suggesting we bring him back need to look at his recent record. Its awful.
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Post by Tinpot on May 9, 2023 7:59:11 GMT 1
I genuinely wonder if any other clubs' fans have such an obsession with bringing back former players and managers or if it's just us? From my experience I believe they do, same with anything you keep a strong admiration for someone who helped create something brilliant for something you care about. The journey with Wagner was remarkable there aren't many teams especially of our size who have that sort of experience to look back on these days so it's understandable why people still bring his name up. Agreed. If Blackpool appointed Ian Holloway I bet they'd be excited about that too. Even if they'd stayed up. Doesn't mean it'd necessarily be a good appointment, but you'd understand the reaction. |
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Post by turbo2 on May 9, 2023 9:07:26 GMT 1
I struggle to get why folk want defenders trying to play football. Citeh/Barca, fine. Their defenders could play midfield at our level.
I want my defenders to defend. Exactly like they have under NW. Helik, Pearson, Lees all proper defenders.
For 2/3rds of the season Schofield and MF insisted on possession football with the defenders having the majority of the ball. Possession for possessions sake. We had zero confidence and went deeper and deeper then invariably made a mistake and gave a goal away. Whoopee chuffing do.
Its not about having the ball, its about what you do when you have it. Since NW came in, all of a sudden we've had some goal threat. 44% possession yesterday, 13 attempts, 7 on target. Thats what gets you goals and wins you games. Not have 70% possession and 3 attempts, 2 of them off target.
Cant remember the stats at Watford. Actual possession was something like 25% yet we looked so threatening every time we had the ball. And Won.....
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Post by nicovaesen on May 9, 2023 9:20:36 GMT 1
I struggle to get why folk want defenders trying to play football. Citeh/Barca, fine. Their defenders could play midfield at our level. I want my defenders to defend. Exactly like they have under NW. Helik, Pearson, Lees all proper defenders. For 2/3rds of the season Schofield and MF insisted on possession football with the defenders having the majority of the ball. Possession for possessions sake. We had zero confidence and went deeper and deeper then invariably made a mistake and gave a goal away. Whoopee chuffing do. Its not about having the ball, its about what you do when you have it. Since NW came in, all of a sudden we've had some goal threat. 44% possession yesterday, 13 attempts, 7 on target. Thats what gets you goals and wins you games. Not have 70% possession and 3 attempts, 2 of them off target. Cant remember the stats at Watford. Actual possession was something like 25% yet we looked so threatening every time we had the ball. And Won..... This! |
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Post by araucaria on May 9, 2023 9:25:40 GMT 1
How many managers ever leave a club in a BETTER position than when they joined them, especially if they join a top flight club? And since he's not left Norwich, I assume you're suggesting he left Town in a worse state than he joined us at. He didn't. He left us as a club that was going to be relegated from the Premier League, having taken over a club that had not finished higher than 16th in the Championship in the 15 or so prior seasons. That the club has been ran as a basket case, and performed poorly in this league in 3 out of 4 seasons since then, is not on Wagner one bit. Warnock - twice!!! 😄 ...and Buxton and Jacko twice each. |
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Post by k1man999 on May 9, 2023 9:31:04 GMT 1
Fair enough. A lot of people share your view. Personally, I am not entertained by long ball football, irrespective of the result. Never have been, never will be. For me the result is not the be all and end all. It's the most important thing obviously, but not the only thing. I prefer to enjoy the match as well as the final result. And seeing the ball continually knocked long and high isn't my idea of entertainment. Warnock still has the reputation of being a long-ball merchant or "dinosaur", but he doesn't really deserve it in my opinion. Sure, since he came in this time around we've been very direct- but we've also scored some fantastic goals. Even back in his first spell, we attacked down the wings as much as we did with long balls up the middle. I'm a Town fan first and a football fan second, I don't care if we're direct if it brings success. As for Wagner, when he was here before it was a real "lightning in a bottle" moment and he was bringing something new and unexpected to the Championship. Football has moved on in the ensuing six years, and from what I've seen of Norwich this season Wagner hasn't. I'd rather watch football like the 2nd halfs in a lot of games since Warnock came in than this tippy tappa shite around the back line. Yes direct at times but we have played some good football in the final third,created chances ,excitement You can't win games playing in your own box but can defo lose them. |
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Post by turbo2 on May 9, 2023 9:53:48 GMT 1
Warnock still has the reputation of being a long-ball merchant or "dinosaur", but he doesn't really deserve it in my opinion. Sure, since he came in this time around we've been very direct- but we've also scored some fantastic goals. Even back in his first spell, we attacked down the wings as much as we did with long balls up the middle. I'm a Town fan first and a football fan second, I don't care if we're direct if it brings success. As for Wagner, when he was here before it was a real "lightning in a bottle" moment and he was bringing something new and unexpected to the Championship. Football has moved on in the ensuing six years, and from what I've seen of Norwich this season Wagner hasn't. I'd rather watch football like the 2nd halfs in a lot of games since Warnock came in than this tippy tappa shite around the back line. Yes direct at times but we have played some good football in the final third,created chances ,excitement You can't win games playing in your own box but can defo lose them. Last sentence sums it up for me k1. And we spent 2/3rds of the season doing exactly that. But if you’re against it you’re just tagged as a ‘gerrit forad’ type. |
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Post by digs on May 9, 2023 10:07:26 GMT 1
Warnock still has the reputation of being a long-ball merchant or "dinosaur", but he doesn't really deserve it in my opinion. Sure, since he came in this time around we've been very direct- but we've also scored some fantastic goals. Even back in his first spell, we attacked down the wings as much as we did with long balls up the middle. I'm a Town fan first and a football fan second, I don't care if we're direct if it brings success. As for Wagner, when he was here before it was a real "lightning in a bottle" moment and he was bringing something new and unexpected to the Championship. Football has moved on in the ensuing six years, and from what I've seen of Norwich this season Wagner hasn't. I'd rather watch football like the 2nd halfs in a lot of games since Warnock came in than this tippy tappa shite around the back line. Yes direct at times but we have played some good football in the final third,created chances ,excitement You can't win games playing in your own box but can defo lose them. Agree,never liked the, Defender to Hogg,Hogg to Defender,Defender to Defender,Defender to Hogg,Hogg to Defender,Defender to Goalkeeper,Throw in to opposition. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 9, 2023 10:30:17 GMT 1
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