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Post by htafcokay on Oct 27, 2023 12:13:56 GMT 1
Doesn't warrant abuse, agreed. But he's always going to get it when the team aren't doing well, just as every single chairman in our history has got it. The abuse has just transferred to social media now, whereas in years gone by it was directed to their faces, and also in local newspapers and local radio etc. Nothing has changed apart from how supporters vent their spleens, in the old days it was done in person, nowadays it's done behind a screen. Look at the clipping below, 33 years ago and Town fans were protesting after we'd lost a match. As The Specials sang in 1980, "nothing ever change"...  gosh i'd forgotton all about that one...am feeling all wound up again now.....thanks....  . I think people have short memories, to be honest. Whenever the team is struggling, it's generally the board/chairman that get the brunt of it. In fact, I think they get an easier ride these days. A few nasty words on Twitter or demonstrations every other week outside? Which is worse? |
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Post by andyboothscat on Oct 27, 2023 12:26:34 GMT 1
Absolutely this. Doesn't in any way warrant any form of abuse in his direction, but he has definitely misread the room. Doesn't warrant abuse, agreed. But he's always going to get it when the team aren't doing well, just as every single chairman in our history has got it. The abuse has just transferred to social media now, whereas in years gone by it was directed to their faces, and also in local newspapers and local radio etc. Nothing has changed apart from how supporters vent their spleens, in the old days it was done in person, nowadays it's done behind a screen. Look at the clipping below, 33 years ago and Town fans were protesting after we'd lost a match. As The Specials sang in 1980, "nothing ever change"... Really interesting cutting that. I can remember that night so well, it was my first real disappointment with Town in my first season. I think that the game had been postponed a few days because of snow which is why we knew we'd get Spurs if we won as the cup draw had been done that morning. That season Gazza was probably the best player in the world so devastating to miss out as the Examiner piece says. I also have a feeling that this was the famous Iffy Onoura contact lens game! |
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Post by royrace on Oct 27, 2023 12:29:23 GMT 1
I think he's completely underestimated just how serious football fans take the game in this country. Football is not all bouncy castles and ice creams like it is in his country. To use one of Bill Shankly's famous quotes “Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.” I prefer: "football is the most important of the least important things in life" |
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Post by dugnet on Oct 27, 2023 12:33:42 GMT 1
Doesn't warrant abuse, agreed. But he's always going to get it when the team aren't doing well, just as every single chairman in our history has got it. The abuse has just transferred to social media now, whereas in years gone by it was directed to their faces, and also in local newspapers and local radio etc. Nothing has changed apart from how supporters vent their spleens, in the old days it was done in person, nowadays it's done behind a screen. Look at the clipping below, 33 years ago and Town fans were protesting after we'd lost a match. As The Specials sang in 1980, "nothing ever change"... Really interesting cutting that. I can remember that night so well, it was my first real disappointment with Town in my first season. I think that the game had been postponed a few days because of snow which is why we knew we'd get Spurs if we won as the cup draw had been done that morning. That season Gazza was probably the best player in the world so devastating to miss out as the Examiner piece says. I also have a feeling that this was the famous Iffy Onoura contact lens game! It wasn't the Iffy contact lens game - that was a league game on New Years day (2-2 draw). I do remember this game, we played on a Monday night (can't remember why, and we were hopeless). The Blackpool v Tottenham game was on TV (I think) and played in a howling gale - I think Spurs won 2-0 or 2-1. I do seem to remember it wasn't an unusual occurrence for a gathering outside the front entrance at Leeds Rd singing "sack the board". Happy times lol. |
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Post by andyboothscat on Oct 27, 2023 12:37:44 GMT 1
Really interesting cutting that. I can remember that night so well, it was my first real disappointment with Town in my first season. I think that the game had been postponed a few days because of snow which is why we knew we'd get Spurs if we won as the cup draw had been done that morning. That season Gazza was probably the best player in the world so devastating to miss out as the Examiner piece says. I also have a feeling that this was the famous Iffy Onoura contact lens game! It wasn't the Iffy contact lens game - that was a league game on New Years day (2-2 draw). I do remember this game, we played on a Monday night (can't remember why, and we were hopeless). The Blackpool v Tottenham game was on TV (I think) and played in a howling gale - I think Spurs won 2-0 or 2-1. I do seem to remember it wasn't an unusual occurrence for a gathering outside the front entrance at Leeds Rd singing "sack the board". Happy times lol. Was defo snow that had delayed it from the Saturday. I remember the supporters getting involved to help clear the snow. I'm not sure if that was after the draw for Spurs had been made or over the weekend though. |
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Post by dugnet on Oct 27, 2023 12:59:47 GMT 1
It wasn't the Iffy contact lens game - that was a league game on New Years day (2-2 draw). I do remember this game, we played on a Monday night (can't remember why, and we were hopeless). The Blackpool v Tottenham game was on TV (I think) and played in a howling gale - I think Spurs won 2-0 or 2-1. I do seem to remember it wasn't an unusual occurrence for a gathering outside the front entrance at Leeds Rd singing "sack the board". Happy times lol. Was defo snow that had delayed it from the Saturday. I remember the supporters getting involved to help clear the snow. I'm not sure if that was after the draw for Spurs had been made or over the weekend though. The draw was made that Monday lunchtime. I had forgotten the snow. I remember the games as I live on the Fylde and you can imagine the stick I took from my BFC supporting "pals" (a couple of whom game to the game with me. Happy days. |
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Post by andyboothscat on Oct 27, 2023 13:22:34 GMT 1
Really interesting cutting that. I can remember that night so well, it was my first real disappointment with Town in my first season. I think that the game had been postponed a few days because of snow which is why we knew we'd get Spurs if we won as the cup draw had been done that morning. That season Gazza was probably the best player in the world so devastating to miss out as the Examiner piece says. I also have a feeling that this was the famous Iffy Onoura contact lens game! It wasn't the Iffy contact lens game - that was a league game on New Years day (2-2 draw). . At the risk of taking this wildly off subject. I was certain it was Blackpool game so looked up on the British newspaper archive (which is so interesting to pull old Town stories up on their examiner section - real rabbit hole stuff). I don't have a paid subscription so cant share the image but this text appears within the search results on Saturday 15th December 1990 - I think the Saturday issue woulf recap all the major Town news of the week in some detail. "....but big Iffy Onuora provided one when he lost a contact lens Warrington referee Joe Worrall (centre) stopped the match to launch a search and Blackpool goalkeeper Steve Mcllhargey (left) was happy to join in The lens was quickly found washed ..." |
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Post by htafcokay on Oct 27, 2023 13:26:45 GMT 1
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Post by dugnet on Oct 27, 2023 13:31:03 GMT 1
It wasn't the Iffy contact lens game - that was a league game on New Years day (2-2 draw). . At the risk of taking this wildly off subject. I was certain it was Blackpool game so looked up on the British newspaper archive (which is so interesting to pull old Town stories up on their examiner section - real rabbit hole stuff). I don't have a paid subscription so cant share the image but this text appears within the search results on Saturday 15th December 1990 - I think the Saturday issue woulf recap all the major Town news of the week in some detail. "....but big Iffy Onuora provided one when he lost a contact lens Warrington referee Joe Worrall (centre) stopped the match to launch a search and Blackpool goalkeeper Steve Mcllhargey (left) was happy to join in The lens was quickly found washed ..."Nothing wrong with a bit of nostalgic rabbit holing  I definitely remember the game at Bloomfield Rd on New years day. We were on the Kop, it pretty much rained all day, Iffy came on as a sub and was definitely looking for his contact lens in the mud - but it could have happened more than once. Football was more enjoyable in those days.....well maybe not, but that's the beauty of nostalgia. |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Oct 27, 2023 14:42:01 GMT 1
I've had my share of discussions with Nagle on Twitter (none of which lead to abuse on either side which was great) so I'm not great fan of his as it stands, however I do feel for him a little bit in some ways.
He's walked into a fan base that has been subjected with sub-par performances/results for 5 out of the past 6 season. I've just looked and over the past 6 seasons, out of 260 league games we've won just 74, an average of 12 per season. We've had finishing positions of 16th, 20th, 18th, 20th, 3rd, and 18th. We average just 44 goals a season (while letting in on average 64) In the FA Cup, out of the 6 seasons we've been knocked out in the 3rd round in 4 of them, and in the League Cup we've failed to progress past round 1 on 3 occasions. It has, on the whole been a difficult time for Town fans.
Alongside the above, we've also seen millions and millions of pounds wasted on players who, for want of a better phrase took to piss out of the club, and therefore us as well. We've seen a lot of players move out of the club for large sums on money and very little put back in. We now have a squad for which the level of football it is playing at is nowhere near strong enough. We are asking players who have played single figure amount of games to be main players, we're asking players who were playing far lower down the pyramid only a short time ago to come in and we are expecting them to be good enough. We asking kids to move up from B Team to A Team and slot straight in. The experienced players who may actually be good enough are the wrong side of their peak and its hard to see how they can be replaced.
In the 6 seasons We've had a LOT of managers (6 in total, and now Moore) all who had different visions, different styles. Most who talked a good game, gave hope to the fans but delivered little. Those that did deliver fell out of favour and were relinquished from their duties.
We've seen people behind the scenes come in, all who again tell a good tale and promise the world when they arrive but then, on the whole, deliver very little. We've seen a sale of the club to a Chairman who did the same, a man who came in and shouted from the rooftops about he would turn things around and again delivered very little as it was all build on a foundation of sand. We've had to watch Hoyle come back in and reduce the outgoings to make things stable, again selling players and not having the funds to re-invest in the first team. We've nearly been in administration.
All in all, in the past 6 seasons there has been very little to shout about as a Huddersfield Town fan. Its ground people down. I know fans who wouldn't have missed a match for love nor money a few years ago not even attending anymore as they find the whole thing painful and just not fun anymore.
Kev has come into a fan base that has, mainly, had enough. He has shouted a lot and said a lot of things that while impressive and noble in intention, do nothing to stop the rot that has set in. There was some sort of stability with Warnock, the fans at the very least liked him and backed him but now that has gone. Not a problem if the new man comes in and our fortunes change, but results and performances show this is not happening and again the fans are left asking 'why?'
I hope Kev does well in his time with Huddersfield Town. However I really don't think he has fully appreciated what he has walked into here, and I think his thoughts of a 'quick fix' are way off the mark. His word show good intention, but until actions back them up a lot of fans will still be sceptical.
As always, only time will tell, but I fear Town will go backwards before the move forwards, and by that point it might be too late for many to return.
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Post by harris on Oct 27, 2023 14:46:21 GMT 1
I've had my share of discussions with Nagle on Twitter (none of which lead to abuse on either side which was great) so I'm not great fan of his as it stands, however I do feel for him a little bit in some ways. He's walked into a fan base that has been subjected with sub-par performances/results for 5 out of the past 6 season. I've just looked and over the past 6 seasons, out of 260 league games we've won just 74, an average of 12 per season. We've had finishing positions of 16th, 20th, 18th, 20th, 3rd, and 18th. We average just 44 goals a season (while letting in on average 64) In the FA Cup, out of the 6 seasons we've been knocked out in the 3rd round in 4 of them, and in the League Cup we've failed to progress past round 1 on 3 occasions. It has, on the whole been a difficult time for Town fans. Alongside the above, we've also seen millions and millions of pounds wasted on players who, for want of a better phrase took to piss out of the club, and therefore us as well. We've seen a lot of players move out of the club for large sums on money and very little put back in. We now have a squad for which the level of football it is playing at is nowhere near strong enough. We are asking players who have played single figure amount of games to ne main players, we're asking players who were playing far lower down the pyramid only a shore time ago to come in and expecting them to be good enough. We asking kids to move up from B Team to A Team and slot straight in. The experienced players who may actually be good enough are the wrong side of their peak and its hard to see how they can be replaced. In the 6 seasons We've had a LOT of managers (6 in total, and now Moore) all who had different visions, different styles. Most who talked a good game, gave hope to the fans but delivered little. Those that did deliver fell out of favour and were relinquished from their duties. We've seen people behind the scenes come and all, all who gain tell a good tale and promise the world when they arrive but then, on the whole, deliver very little. We've seen a sale of the club to a Chairman who did the same, a man who came in and shouted from the rooftops about he would turn things around and again delivered very little as it was all build on a foundation of sand. We've had to watch Hoyle come back in and reduce the outgoings to make things stable, again selling players and not having the funds to re-invest in the first team. We've nearly been in administration. All in all, in the past 6 seasons there has been very little to shout about as a Huddersfield Town fan. Its ground people down. I know fans who wouldn't have missed a match for love nor money a few years ago not even attending anymore as they find the whole thing painful and just not fun anymore. Kev has come into a fan base that has, mainly, had enough. He has shouted a lot and said a lot of things that while impressive and noble in intention, do nothing to stop the rot that has set in. There was some sort of stability with Warnock, the fans at the very least liked him and backed him but now that has gone. Not a problem if the new man comes in and our fortunes change, but results and performances show this is not happening and again the fans are left asking 'why?' I hope Kev does well in his time with Huddersfield Town. However I really don't think he has fully appreciated what he has walked into here, and I think his thoughts of a 'quick fix' are way off the mark. His word show good intention, but until actions back them up a lot of fans will still be sceptical. As always, only time will tell, but I fear Town will go backwards before the move forwards, and by that point it might be too late for many to return. Very good summary. |
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Post by Porrohman on Oct 27, 2023 15:03:41 GMT 1
I've had my share of discussions with Nagle on Twitter (none of which lead to abuse on either side which was great) so I'm not great fan of his as it stands, however I do feel for him a little bit in some ways. He's walked into a fan base that has been subjected with sub-par performances/results for 5 out of the past 6 season. I've just looked and over the past 6 seasons, out of 260 league games we've won just 74, an average of 12 per season. We've had finishing positions of 16th, 20th, 18th, 20th, 3rd, and 18th. We average just 44 goals a season (while letting in on average 64) In the FA Cup, out of the 6 seasons we've been knocked out in the 3rd round in 4 of them, and in the League Cup we've failed to progress past round 1 on 3 occasions. It has, on the whole been a difficult time for Town fans. Alongside the above, we've also seen millions and millions of pounds wasted on players who, for want of a better phrase took to piss out of the club, and therefore us as well. We've seen a lot of players move out of the club for large sums on money and very little put back in. We now have a squad for which the level of football it is playing at is nowhere near strong enough. We are asking players who have played single figure amount of games to ne main players, we're asking players who were playing far lower down the pyramid only a shore time ago to come in and expecting them to be good enough. We asking kids to move up from B Team to A Team and slot straight in. The experienced players who may actually be good enough are the wrong side of their peak and its hard to see how they can be replaced. In the 6 seasons We've had a LOT of managers (6 in total, and now Moore) all who had different visions, different styles. Most who talked a good game, gave hope to the fans but delivered little. Those that did deliver fell out of favour and were relinquished from their duties. We've seen people behind the scenes come and all, all who gain tell a good tale and promise the world when they arrive but then, on the whole, deliver very little. We've seen a sale of the club to a Chairman who did the same, a man who came in and shouted from the rooftops about he would turn things around and again delivered very little as it was all build on a foundation of sand. We've had to watch Hoyle come back in and reduce the outgoings to make things stable, again selling players and not having the funds to re-invest in the first team. We've nearly been in administration. All in all, in the past 6 seasons there has been very little to shout about as a Huddersfield Town fan. Its ground people down. I know fans who wouldn't have missed a match for love nor money a few years ago not even attending anymore as they find the whole thing painful and just not fun anymore. Kev has come into a fan base that has, mainly, had enough. He has shouted a lot and said a lot of things that while impressive and noble in intention, do nothing to stop the rot that has set in. There was some sort of stability with Warnock, the fans at the very least liked him and backed him but now that has gone. Not a problem if the new man comes in and our fortunes change, but results and performances show this is not happening and again the fans are left asking 'why?' I hope Kev does well in his time with Huddersfield Town. However I really don't think he has fully appreciated what he has walked into here, and I think his thoughts of a 'quick fix' are way off the mark. His word show good intention, but until actions back them up a lot of fans will still be sceptical. As always, only time will tell, but I fear Town will go backwards before the move forwards, and by that point it might be too late for many to return. Very good summary. That should be sent to him in the hope it would help him understand what we've been through and why the reactions have been as they have. |
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Post by royrace on Oct 27, 2023 15:05:40 GMT 1
I've had my share of discussions with Nagle on Twitter (none of which lead to abuse on either side which was great) so I'm not great fan of his as it stands, however I do feel for him a little bit in some ways. He's walked into a fan base that has been subjected with sub-par performances/results for 5 out of the past 6 season. I've just looked and over the past 6 seasons, out of 260 league games we've won just 74, an average of 12 per season. We've had finishing positions of 16th, 20th, 18th, 20th, 3rd, and 18th. We average just 44 goals a season (while letting in on average 64) In the FA Cup, out of the 6 seasons we've been knocked out in the 3rd round in 4 of them, and in the League Cup we've failed to progress past round 1 on 3 occasions. It has, on the whole been a difficult time for Town fans. Alongside the above, we've also seen millions and millions of pounds wasted on players who, for want of a better phrase took to piss out of the club, and therefore us as well. We've seen a lot of players move out of the club for large sums on money and very little put back in. We now have a squad for which the level of football it is playing at is nowhere near strong enough. We are asking players who have played single figure amount of games to be main players, we're asking players who were playing far lower down the pyramid only a short time ago to come in and we are expecting them to be good enough. We asking kids to move up from B Team to A Team and slot straight in. The experienced players who may actually be good enough are the wrong side of their peak and its hard to see how they can be replaced. In the 6 seasons We've had a LOT of managers (6 in total, and now Moore) all who had different visions, different styles. Most who talked a good game, gave hope to the fans but delivered little. Those that did deliver fell out of favour and were relinquished from their duties. We've seen people behind the scenes come in, all who again tell a good tale and promise the world when they arrive but then, on the whole, deliver very little. We've seen a sale of the club to a Chairman who did the same, a man who came in and shouted from the rooftops about he would turn things around and again delivered very little as it was all build on a foundation of sand. We've had to watch Hoyle come back in and reduce the outgoings to make things stable, again selling players and not having the funds to re-invest in the first team. We've nearly been in administration. All in all, in the past 6 seasons there has been very little to shout about as a Huddersfield Town fan. Its ground people down. I know fans who wouldn't have missed a match for love nor money a few years ago not even attending anymore as they find the whole thing painful and just not fun anymore. Kev has come into a fan base that has, mainly, had enough. He has shouted a lot and said a lot of things that while impressive and noble in intention, do nothing to stop the rot that has set in. There was some sort of stability with Warnock, the fans at the very least liked him and backed him but now that has gone. Not a problem if the new man comes in and our fortunes change, but results and performances show this is not happening and again the fans are left asking 'why?' I hope Kev does well in his time with Huddersfield Town. However I really don't think he has fully appreciated what he has walked into here, and I think his thoughts of a 'quick fix' are way off the mark. His word show good intention, but until actions back them up a lot of fans will still be sceptical. As always, only time will tell, but I fear Town will go backwards before the move forwards, and by that point it might be too late for many to return. Seems a lovely fella, clearly very well intentioned, clearly extremely successful and very wealthy. BUT... and its a big but; his plans for the club don't stack up. They're contradictory and his leadership team have already showed signs of not knowing what they're doing and have already made two huge mistakes, three if you include hiring Moore and team on a 3 year deal. Problem is in the championship you don't get time to set yourself and re-adjust, you get relegated. I suspect he's possibly been mis-advised during the purchase too, they haven't appreciated the state of the squad, haven't appreciated why it was where it was before NW, haven't appreciated how much of a difference a coach like NW can make and seem to think building an academy and improving the business in general are going to produce a sustainable championship club. It's pie in the sky, fantasy stuff. A simplistic plan that clubs have been trying and failing to implement for decades. He's purchased a massive money pit, its not sustainable at champ level and never will be. |
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Post by Sio on Oct 27, 2023 15:05:45 GMT 1
That should be sent to him in the hope it would help him understand what we've been through and why the reactions have been as they have. Since Justasmithers is following this thread, I sense he'll see it! |
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Post by swam4mwg on Oct 27, 2023 15:21:03 GMT 1
Absolutely this. Doesn't in any way warrant any form of abuse in his direction, but he has definitely misread the room. Doesn't warrant abuse, agreed. But he's always going to get it when the team aren't doing well, just as every single chairman in our history has got it. The abuse has just transferred to social media now, whereas in years gone by it was directed to their faces, and also in local newspapers and local radio etc. Nothing has changed apart from how supporters vent their spleens, in the old days it was done in person, nowadays it's done behind a screen. Look at the clipping below, 33 years ago and Town fans were protesting after we'd lost a match. As The Specials sang in 1980, "nothing ever change"... Eoin Hand. Midtable for ever! |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 27, 2023 16:43:35 GMT 1
If fans keep poking KN with a stick eventually he'll just think...do I need this ? I think he's completely underestimated just how serious football fans take the game in this country. Football is not all bouncy castles and ice creams like it is in his country. I agree. This comes over loud and clear on the YouTube clips. I like him and I’m sure he’s got the best intentions but to buy a club in 10 days in another country - he was never going to be able to carry out a proper due diligence. But back to the YouTube clips - they show people sat in outside restaurant areas pitch side - obviously people go to Sacramento games and make a day of it with football being secondary I assume. This might be why he’s focused on improving our catering - but we have a different mindset and the game has a completely different status over here. There is no doubt in my mind that he and his team have no real understanding of the importance and competitiveness of our game. I don’t mean this unkindly. I hope that they have a much better understanding of what’s required before January |
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Post by isitjustme on Oct 27, 2023 16:51:41 GMT 1
I think he's completely underestimated just how serious football fans take the game in this country. Football is not all bouncy castles and ice creams like it is in his country. I agree. This comes over loud and clear on the YouTube clips. I like him and I’m sure he’s got the best intentions but to buy a club in 10 days in another country - he was never going to be able to carry out a proper due diligence. But back to the YouTube clips - they show people sat in outside restaurant areas pitch side - obviously people go to Sacramento games and make a day of it with football being secondary I assume. This might be why he’s focused on improving our catering - but we have a different mindset and the game has a completely different status over here. There is no doubt in my mind that he and his team have no real understanding of the importance and competitiveness of our game. I don’t mean this unkindly. I hope that they have a much better understanding of what’s required before January I get that Nagle may have little understanding, but the ones he has put in position to make football decisions really should have.....!!! |
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Post by Ginger Ogre on Oct 27, 2023 16:52:16 GMT 1
If fans keep poking KN with a stick eventually he'll just think...do I need this ? I think he's completely underestimated just how serious football fans take the game in this country. Football is not all bouncy castles and ice creams like it is in his country. I suggested this to him during our exchanges on Twitter, he assured me there wasn't much difference and he was well aware of how English fans behaved and what they expected. I was dubious at the time, and even more so now. |
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Post by Melc on Oct 27, 2023 17:06:19 GMT 1
Now we are talking… plenty on here moaning about Nagle but this guy was not called Long pockets for nothing! He spent sod all. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2023 17:07:32 GMT 1
I agree. This comes over loud and clear on the YouTube clips. I like him and I’m sure he’s got the best intentions but to buy a club in 10 days in another country - he was never going to be able to carry out a proper due diligence. But back to the YouTube clips - they show people sat in outside restaurant areas pitch side - obviously people go to Sacramento games and make a day of it with football being secondary I assume. This might be why he’s focused on improving our catering - but we have a different mindset and the game has a completely different status over here. There is no doubt in my mind that he and his team have no real understanding of the importance and competitiveness of our game. I don’t mean this unkindly. I hope that they have a much better understanding of what’s required before January I get that Nagle may have little understanding, but the ones he has put in position to make football decisions really should have.....!!! I was just about to write exactly this. The mind boggles at how Cartwright and Edwards were so sold on Moore when Warnock had clearly committed to another year. |
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Post by dugnet on Oct 27, 2023 17:55:02 GMT 1
I think he's completely underestimated just how serious football fans take the game in this country. Football is not all bouncy castles and ice creams like it is in his country. I suggested this to him during our exchanges on Twitter, he assured me there wasn't much difference and he was well aware of how English fans behaved and what they expected. I was dubious at the time, and even more so now. I whole heartedly agree with your summary post. The one hope I have is that I think Mr Nagle is possibly guilty of naivety rather than willful mis management. The American culture is about winning, in his business life Mr Nagle is a winner. I haven't seen anything that suggests he is a chancer/shyster as yet so I have to believe, because I am hanging on to any hope, he will want to win at Town. He may have made his own task much more difficult with his decisions so far. He may also have to learn a harsh lesson or two but as it stands I give him the benefit of the doubt that he will learn and do something about it. As you astutely say however, how many are prepared to stick around to see what happens is an entirely different question. |
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Post by nutjacker on Oct 27, 2023 18:48:26 GMT 1
I've had my share of discussions with Nagle on Twitter (none of which lead to abuse on either side which was great) so I'm not great fan of his as it stands, however I do feel for him a little bit in some ways. He's walked into a fan base that has been subjected with sub-par performances/results for 5 out of the past 6 season. I've just looked and over the past 6 seasons, out of 260 league games we've won just 74, an average of 12 per season. We've had finishing positions of 16th, 20th, 18th, 20th, 3rd, and 18th. We average just 44 goals a season (while letting in on average 64) In the FA Cup, out of the 6 seasons we've been knocked out in the 3rd round in 4 of them, and in the League Cup we've failed to progress past round 1 on 3 occasions. It has, on the whole been a difficult time for Town fans. Alongside the above, we've also seen millions and millions of pounds wasted on players who, for want of a better phrase took to piss out of the club, and therefore us as well. We've seen a lot of players move out of the club for large sums on money and very little put back in. We now have a squad for which the level of football it is playing at is nowhere near strong enough. We are asking players who have played single figure amount of games to be main players, we're asking players who were playing far lower down the pyramid only a short time ago to come in and we are expecting them to be good enough. We asking kids to move up from B Team to A Team and slot straight in. The experienced players who may actually be good enough are the wrong side of their peak and its hard to see how they can be replaced. In the 6 seasons We've had a LOT of managers (6 in total, and now Moore) all who had different visions, different styles. Most who talked a good game, gave hope to the fans but delivered little. Those that did deliver fell out of favour and were relinquished from their duties. We've seen people behind the scenes come in, all who again tell a good tale and promise the world when they arrive but then, on the whole, deliver very little. We've seen a sale of the club to a Chairman who did the same, a man who came in and shouted from the rooftops about he would turn things around and again delivered very little as it was all build on a foundation of sand. We've had to watch Hoyle come back in and reduce the outgoings to make things stable, again selling players and not having the funds to re-invest in the first team. We've nearly been in administration. All in all, in the past 6 seasons there has been very little to shout about as a Huddersfield Town fan. Its ground people down. I know fans who wouldn't have missed a match for love nor money a few years ago not even attending anymore as they find the whole thing painful and just not fun anymore. Kev has come into a fan base that has, mainly, had enough. He has shouted a lot and said a lot of things that while impressive and noble in intention, do nothing to stop the rot that has set in. There was some sort of stability with Warnock, the fans at the very least liked him and backed him but now that has gone. Not a problem if the new man comes in and our fortunes change, but results and performances show this is not happening and again the fans are left asking 'why?' I hope Kev does well in his time with Huddersfield Town. However I really don't think he has fully appreciated what he has walked into here, and I think his thoughts of a 'quick fix' are way off the mark. His word show good intention, but until actions back them up a lot of fans will still be sceptical. As always, only time will tell, but I fear Town will go backwards before the move forwards, and by that point it might be too late for many to return. Excellent post Pozza 👏🏽👏🏽 As Porrohman said hopefully Mr Nagle will read it to get a better understanding of our recent history, and the reason most town fans are feeling so demoralised and pissed off at this moment in time |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 27, 2023 19:50:45 GMT 1
I've had my share of discussions with Nagle on Twitter (none of which lead to abuse on either side which was great) so I'm not great fan of his as it stands, however I do feel for him a little bit in some ways. He's walked into a fan base that has been subjected with sub-par performances/results for 5 out of the past 6 season. I've just looked and over the past 6 seasons, out of 260 league games we've won just 74, an average of 12 per season. We've had finishing positions of 16th, 20th, 18th, 20th, 3rd, and 18th. We average just 44 goals a season (while letting in on average 64) In the FA Cup, out of the 6 seasons we've been knocked out in the 3rd round in 4 of them, and in the League Cup we've failed to progress past round 1 on 3 occasions. It has, on the whole been a difficult time for Town fans. Alongside the above, we've also seen millions and millions of pounds wasted on players who, for want of a better phrase took to piss out of the club, and therefore us as well. We've seen a lot of players move out of the club for large sums on money and very little put back in. We now have a squad for which the level of football it is playing at is nowhere near strong enough. We are asking players who have played single figure amount of games to be main players, we're asking players who were playing far lower down the pyramid only a short time ago to come in and we are expecting them to be good enough. We asking kids to move up from B Team to A Team and slot straight in. The experienced players who may actually be good enough are the wrong side of their peak and its hard to see how they can be replaced. In the 6 seasons We've had a LOT of managers (6 in total, and now Moore) all who had different visions, different styles. Most who talked a good game, gave hope to the fans but delivered little. Those that did deliver fell out of favour and were relinquished from their duties. We've seen people behind the scenes come in, all who again tell a good tale and promise the world when they arrive but then, on the whole, deliver very little. We've seen a sale of the club to a Chairman who did the same, a man who came in and shouted from the rooftops about he would turn things around and again delivered very little as it was all build on a foundation of sand. We've had to watch Hoyle come back in and reduce the outgoings to make things stable, again selling players and not having the funds to re-invest in the first team. We've nearly been in administration. All in all, in the past 6 seasons there has been very little to shout about as a Huddersfield Town fan. Its ground people down. I know fans who wouldn't have missed a match for love nor money a few years ago not even attending anymore as they find the whole thing painful and just not fun anymore. Kev has come into a fan base that has, mainly, had enough. He has shouted a lot and said a lot of things that while impressive and noble in intention, do nothing to stop the rot that has set in. There was some sort of stability with Warnock, the fans at the very least liked him and backed him but now that has gone. Not a problem if the new man comes in and our fortunes change, but results and performances show this is not happening and again the fans are left asking 'why?' I hope Kev does well in his time with Huddersfield Town. However I really don't think he has fully appreciated what he has walked into here, and I think his thoughts of a 'quick fix' are way off the mark. His word show good intention, but until actions back them up a lot of fans will still be sceptical. As always, only time will tell, but I fear Town will go backwards before the move forwards, and by that point it might be too late for many to return. Excellent post Pozza 👏🏽👏🏽 As Porrohman said hopefully Mr Nagle will read it to get a better understanding of our recent history, and the reason most town fans are feeling so demoralised and pissed off at this moment in time As many have said, the crucial word would be naivity. I believe Nagle has all the right intentions, I believe he has ideas short and long term. The saying 'short term pain for long term gain springs to mind'. As Pozza has pointed out, in a fantastic way too; he needs to dig deeper into the fans views; I would say since Arsenal at home on the last day of the 2017/18 season. Since then everything apart from 21/22 has gone wrong. As a collective, I believe we are genuinely an easy fan base to appease. As long as we see hard work, commitment and desire, we can accept defeat. Main issues are not seen to be addressed; by Hoyle, Hodgkinson and so far Nagle. Which is to improve the playing squad with quality, not quantity. It is a shame that the current situation is putting die hard fans off, that tells its own story. I feel Cartwright is probably the wrong man, Edwards I think will be okay. I know their are Q&A's but they never get any sort of insight. It would be great if Pozzas post could be put to Nagle officially, as it is written perfectly with no abuse, but a clear view from the fans that are dedicated to the club. |
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Post by Huddy Town Black Sox on Oct 27, 2023 20:47:48 GMT 1
I get that Nagle may have little understanding, but the ones he has put in position to make football decisions really should have.....!!! I was just about to write exactly this. The mind boggles at how Cartwright and Edwards were so sold on Moore when Warnock had clearly committed to another year. Is that what Warnock said to you, Full season, Your telling porkies, Cos he will not have said that ? Was always going to be feet up and christmas dinner at home with the Mrs and no more Town, I like NW obviously, he is ace, i could listen to him all day, but hell fire he can blow his own trumpet,, Play off bound my rse, We are now paying Jeppo and the rest of the gang 2 years wages until they all get together at sheff U,, !! Soon, touch wood, we can stop paying them and spend on something else. |
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Post by swam4mwg on Oct 27, 2023 21:24:57 GMT 1
I think he's completely underestimated just how serious football fans take the game in this country. Football is not all bouncy castles and ice creams like it is in his country. I agree. This comes over loud and clear on the YouTube clips. I like him and I’m sure he’s got the best intentions but to buy a club in 10 days in another country - he was never going to be able to carry out a proper due diligence. But back to the YouTube clips - they show people sat in outside restaurant areas pitch side - obviously people go to Sacramento games and make a day of it with football being secondary I assume. This might be why he’s focused on improving our catering - but we have a different mindset and the game has a completely different status over here. There is no doubt in my mind that he and his team have no real understanding of the importance and competitiveness of our game. I don’t mean this unkindly. I hope that they have a much better understanding of what’s required before January I think the culture thing is the main issue. When you are in the town centre from around midday onwards on a matchday, nearly every pub has Town fans in it. Getting those people to spend the day down at the JSS is going to take a miracle. A lot of those will have grown up watching Town at our old Leeds Road ground. There was just a couple of snack bars inside the ground. You basically spent the 90 minutes watching the game and that was it, so you get into the pre match pub routine. One thing that did work was pre match at Canalside, they got a lot in down there. Guest speakers, bar, meals and stuff for kids. They got a good mix there but the club alienated the fans a bit by closing it to the public, mainly because of the rise to the Premier League . |
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Post by softboy on Oct 27, 2023 23:34:38 GMT 1
I kind of agree I’m of a generation where its beers and food in Town up to 30 mins before kick off, perhaps a beer occasionally at half time and straight back to Town centre after No hanging around. But I’ve recently done some work for a Town fan who now has 2 young sons he takes and he wants more to do, places to eat in and around the ground before and after the game. Doesn’t do Town centre anymore Perhaps this is the market KN is looking at.
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Post by willo on Oct 28, 2023 0:27:00 GMT 1
I've had my share of discussions with Nagle on Twitter (none of which lead to abuse on either side which was great) so I'm not great fan of his as it stands, however I do feel for him a little bit in some ways. He's walked into a fan base that has been subjected with sub-par performances/results for 5 out of the past 6 season. I've just looked and over the past 6 seasons, out of 260 league games we've won just 74, an average of 12 per season. We've had finishing positions of 16th, 20th, 18th, 20th, 3rd, and 18th. We average just 44 goals a season (while letting in on average 64) In the FA Cup, out of the 6 seasons we've been knocked out in the 3rd round in 4 of them, and in the League Cup we've failed to progress past round 1 on 3 occasions. It has, on the whole been a difficult time for Town fans. Alongside the above, we've also seen millions and millions of pounds wasted on players who, for want of a better phrase took to piss out of the club, and therefore us as well. We've seen a lot of players move out of the club for large sums on money and very little put back in. We now have a squad for which the level of football it is playing at is nowhere near strong enough. We are asking players who have played single figure amount of games to be main players, we're asking players who were playing far lower down the pyramid only a short time ago to come in and we are expecting them to be good enough. We asking kids to move up from B Team to A Team and slot straight in. The experienced players who may actually be good enough are the wrong side of their peak and its hard to see how they can be replaced. In the 6 seasons We've had a LOT of managers (6 in total, and now Moore) all who had different visions, different styles. Most who talked a good game, gave hope to the fans but delivered little. Those that did deliver fell out of favour and were relinquished from their duties. We've seen people behind the scenes come in, all who again tell a good tale and promise the world when they arrive but then, on the whole, deliver very little. We've seen a sale of the club to a Chairman who did the same, a man who came in and shouted from the rooftops about he would turn things around and again delivered very little as it was all build on a foundation of sand. We've had to watch Hoyle come back in and reduce the outgoings to make things stable, again selling players and not having the funds to re-invest in the first team. We've nearly been in administration. All in all, in the past 6 seasons there has been very little to shout about as a Huddersfield Town fan. Its ground people down. I know fans who wouldn't have missed a match for love nor money a few years ago not even attending anymore as they find the whole thing painful and just not fun anymore. Kev has come into a fan base that has, mainly, had enough. He has shouted a lot and said a lot of things that while impressive and noble in intention, do nothing to stop the rot that has set in. There was some sort of stability with Warnock, the fans at the very least liked him and backed him but now that has gone. Not a problem if the new man comes in and our fortunes change, but results and performances show this is not happening and again the fans are left asking 'why?' I hope Kev does well in his time with Huddersfield Town. However I really don't think he has fully appreciated what he has walked into here, and I think his thoughts of a 'quick fix' are way off the mark. His word show good intention, but until actions back them up a lot of fans will still be sceptical. As always, only time will tell, but I fear Town will go backwards before the move forwards, and by that point it might be too late for many to return. I could have just liked this post but it’s one of the best constructed and informative posts I’ve ever read on datm and perfectly describes the current situation and many fans feelings. Bravo! |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Oct 28, 2023 1:28:51 GMT 1
I've had my share of discussions with Nagle on Twitter (none of which lead to abuse on either side which was great) so I'm not great fan of his as it stands, however I do feel for him a little bit in some ways. He's walked into a fan base that has been subjected with sub-par performances/results for 5 out of the past 6 season. I've just looked and over the past 6 seasons, out of 260 league games we've won just 74, an average of 12 per season. We've had finishing positions of 16th, 20th, 18th, 20th, 3rd, and 18th. We average just 44 goals a season (while letting in on average 64) In the FA Cup, out of the 6 seasons we've been knocked out in the 3rd round in 4 of them, and in the League Cup we've failed to progress past round 1 on 3 occasions. It has, on the whole been a difficult time for Town fans. Alongside the above, we've also seen millions and millions of pounds wasted on players who, for want of a better phrase took to piss out of the club, and therefore us as well. We've seen a lot of players move out of the club for large sums on money and very little put back in. We now have a squad for which the level of football it is playing at is nowhere near strong enough. We are asking players who have played single figure amount of games to be main players, we're asking players who were playing far lower down the pyramid only a short time ago to come in and we are expecting them to be good enough. We asking kids to move up from B Team to A Team and slot straight in. The experienced players who may actually be good enough are the wrong side of their peak and its hard to see how they can be replaced. In the 6 seasons We've had a LOT of managers (6 in total, and now Moore) all who had different visions, different styles. Most who talked a good game, gave hope to the fans but delivered little. Those that did deliver fell out of favour and were relinquished from their duties. We've seen people behind the scenes come in, all who again tell a good tale and promise the world when they arrive but then, on the whole, deliver very little. We've seen a sale of the club to a Chairman who did the same, a man who came in and shouted from the rooftops about he would turn things around and again delivered very little as it was all build on a foundation of sand. We've had to watch Hoyle come back in and reduce the outgoings to make things stable, again selling players and not having the funds to re-invest in the first team. We've nearly been in administration. All in all, in the past 6 seasons there has been very little to shout about as a Huddersfield Town fan. Its ground people down. I know fans who wouldn't have missed a match for love nor money a few years ago not even attending anymore as they find the whole thing painful and just not fun anymore. Kev has come into a fan base that has, mainly, had enough. He has shouted a lot and said a lot of things that while impressive and noble in intention, do nothing to stop the rot that has set in. There was some sort of stability with Warnock, the fans at the very least liked him and backed him but now that has gone. Not a problem if the new man comes in and our fortunes change, but results and performances show this is not happening and again the fans are left asking 'why?' I hope Kev does well in his time with Huddersfield Town. However I really don't think he has fully appreciated what he has walked into here, and I think his thoughts of a 'quick fix' are way off the mark. His word show good intention, but until actions back them up a lot of fans will still be sceptical. As always, only time will tell, but I fear Town will go backwards before the move forwards, and by that point it might be too late for many to return. Rare that a post receives so many likes. Fully deserved imo. Captures what many of us feel perfectly. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Oct 28, 2023 7:55:52 GMT 1
I’ve had plenty of interactions with KN on twitter. Usually starting because of a negative tweet that I’ve posted. We have then exchanged both sides of the argument. Generally we end with a resolution and both agree that we want a successful football club.
However, anybody dresses it up we simply don’t have a championship squad that can successfully compete. I would argue that the squad is worse than last season.
I won’t be angry or frustrated if we lose today as Leeds have a far better squad than we do. I was angry after the Cardiff game because it’s not so long ago we beat them easily down at their place. They have progressed we have regressed.
If Cartwright knows anything about football he would know that a warnock squad is different to any other managers squad. So don’t lie to us and say “we had to Move quickly to get our man” - thats just rubbish. Didn’t chadders warn us about him? Perhaps our frustration should be aimed at him - he is one afterall advising KN.
KN runs many companies so I’m sure in all of them he is needs his people around him to make some key decisions.
Cartwright is the one the blame should lie with. Edwards or Brodie Spencer. Obviously Spencer should be here not in Scotland. No striker signed but loan out Rhodes.etc…..
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Post by harris on Oct 28, 2023 8:00:56 GMT 1
I’ve had plenty of interactions with KN on twitter. Usually starting because of a negative tweet that I’ve posted. We have then exchanged both sides of the argument. Generally we end with a resolution and both agree that we want a successful football club.However, anybody dresses it up we simply don’t have a championship squad that can successfully compete. I would argue that the squad is worse than last season. I won’t be angry or frustrated if we lose today as Leeds have a far better squad than we do. I was angry after the Cardiff game because it’s not so long ago we beat them easily down at their place. They have progressed we have regressed. If Cartwright knows anything about football he would know that a warnock squad is different to any other managers squad. So don’t lie to us and say “we had to Move quickly to get our man” - thats just rubbish. Didn’t chadders warn us about him? Perhaps our frustration should be aimed at him - he is one afterall advising KN. KN runs many companies so I’m sure in all of them he is needs his people around him to make some key decisions. Cartwright is the one the blame should lie with. Edwards or Brodie Spencer. Obviously Spencer should be here not in Scotland. No striker signed but loan out Rhodes.etc….. Interesting way to dress up your hounding of KN on Twitter. |
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