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Post by htafcokay on Dec 7, 2023 21:41:36 GMT 1
Siewert is the last man you can blame for them players. He was in a lose lose situation. Wonder what he would have been like / is like if / when he finds the right club / level?....some of the results were not million miles off the mark despite on paper being awful...... I always remember the Liverpool game. 10 seconds in, Stankovic makes a blunder and they're 1-0 up. We lose 5-0, Siewert is shite, get him sacked blah blah blah. If that happens under Wagner, fans would be making excuses and saying it wasn't Wagner's fault Stankovic made a blunder. I'm not saying Siewert was great, but he never stood a chance because of who he followed. |
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Post by rockwall on Dec 7, 2023 22:02:45 GMT 1
There are some cynical, hard hearted, uninformed and unrealistic posters on here but this takes the biscuit The players couldn't stand Siewert A small minority didn't. And the minority were the ones robbing a wage. |
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Post by boooothy on Dec 7, 2023 22:05:34 GMT 1
All very well till you appoint Jan Siewart who makes your players look worthless and you have to give them away. There are some cynical, hard hearted, uninformed and unrealistic posters on here but this takes the biscuit You serious? Off the top of my head. Hamer in for Lossl. Dropped Zanka. Dropped Billing for saying what everyone knew. Dropped Mooy. Then played him on the right wing. Played the âAfrican wingersâ together away at Chelsea. Played Aaron Rowe. Played Dunaney. Even Schindler, the greatest professional i can remember said the man was a twat. |
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Post by boooothy on Dec 7, 2023 22:06:32 GMT 1
The players couldn't stand Siewert A small minority didn't. And the minority were the ones robbing a wage. You are wrong |
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Post by boooothy on Dec 7, 2023 22:11:13 GMT 1
Siewert is the last man you can blame for them players. He was in a lose lose situation. Exactly. That season, Wagner was just as bad, yet there is this myth that we were only rubbish under Siewert. Statistically, obviously he's one of the worst managers, but all the other worst managers were losing to Preston, Rotherham and Wigan whereas he was losing to Chelsea, Tottenham and Liverpool đ I read you say this before. You must have not attended those games or taken a blow to the head. The results were bad under Wagner but we were good to watch, away to Wolves iâd say the best iâve ever seen Town play. We didnât play well under Siewart in one single game, not a single game!!! His best game was at West Ham and he still fucked that up. I hate that man. |
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Post by rockwall on Dec 7, 2023 22:47:44 GMT 1
Exactly. That season, Wagner was just as bad, yet there is this myth that we were only rubbish under Siewert. Statistically, obviously he's one of the worst managers, but all the other worst managers were losing to Preston, Rotherham and Wigan whereas he was losing to Chelsea, Tottenham and Liverpool đ I read you say this before. You must have not attended those games or taken a blow to the head. The results were bad under Wagner but we were good to watch, away to Wolves iâd say the best iâve ever seen Town play. We didnât play well under Siewart in one single game, not a single game!!! His best game was at West Ham and he still fucked that up. I hate that man. Hate that man? What an absolute whopper you are. |
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Post by royrace on Dec 7, 2023 22:53:46 GMT 1
There are some cynical, hard hearted, uninformed and unrealistic posters on here but this takes the biscuit You serious? Off the top of my head. Hamer in for Lossl. Dropped Zanka. Dropped Billing for saying what everyone knew. Dropped Mooy. Then played him on the right wing. Played the âAfrican wingersâ together away at Chelsea. Played Aaron Rowe. Played Dunaney. Even Schindler, the greatest professional i can remember said the man was a twat. Don't forget the masterstroke of taking the captaincy from Smith and giving it to Schindler. He was completely clueless but granted he had a few absolute wnkers in the squad and nowhere near enough quality for the PL. Idiotic appointment. |
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Post by Big Ern on Dec 7, 2023 23:01:21 GMT 1
The players couldn't stand Siewert A small minority didn't. And the minority were the ones robbing a wage. Steve Mounie wasn't đ |
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Post by boooothy on Dec 7, 2023 23:07:09 GMT 1
I read you say this before. You must have not attended those games or taken a blow to the head. The results were bad under Wagner but we were good to watch, away to Wolves iâd say the best iâve ever seen Town play. We didnât play well under Siewart in one single game, not a single game!!! His best game was at West Ham and he still fucked that up. I hate that man. Hate that man? What an absolute whopper you are. He was an absolute weapon. A Premier League manager that Sky got mixed up with a guy who worked at Cliffe House. âWalked in like heâd won the Champions Leagueâ Just one of the comments from the dressing room. How does he coach, get his point across âHe doesnât he shouts at usâ was another. A terrible terrible football coach and horrible man. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Dec 7, 2023 23:22:07 GMT 1
Exactly. That season, Wagner was just as bad, yet there is this myth that we were only rubbish under Siewert. Statistically, obviously he's one of the worst managers, but all the other worst managers were losing to Preston, Rotherham and Wigan whereas he was losing to Chelsea, Tottenham and Liverpool đ I read you say this before. You must have not attended those games or taken a blow to the head. The results were bad under Wagner but we were good to watch, away to Wolves iâd say the best iâve ever seen Town play. We didnât play well under Siewart in one single game, not a single game!!! His best game was at West Ham and he still fucked that up. I hate that man. Hate? How old are you? |
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Post by boooothy on Dec 7, 2023 23:23:17 GMT 1
I read you say this before. You must have not attended those games or taken a blow to the head. The results were bad under Wagner but we were good to watch, away to Wolves iâd say the best iâve ever seen Town play. We didnât play well under Siewart in one single game, not a single game!!! His best game was at West Ham and he still fucked that up. I hate that man. Hate? How old are you? 48 |
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Post by rockwall on Dec 7, 2023 23:35:48 GMT 1
Hate that man? What an absolute whopper you are. He was an absolute weapon. A Premier League manager that Sky got mixed up with a guy who worked at Cliffe House. âWalked in like heâd won the Champions Leagueâ Just one of the comments from the dressing room. How does he coach, get his point across âHe doesnât he shouts at usâ was another. A terrible terrible football coach and horrible man. One of the nicest I have ever met. He was sat with a number of us in Austria during the pre season tour. Really down to earth. Also, what you're referring to regarding 'walking into the changing rooms'. Presume you mean when half of them stopped putting the effort in and he threw a notepad down and said if you don't wanna play for this club, write your name down. Fully respect that as a paying fan. Also.... terrible football coach? Completely incorrect. Potentially might not be a very good manager, but he is a fantastic coach. |
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Post by impact on Dec 8, 2023 0:06:57 GMT 1
I bet he couldn't stand some of them. Billy big bollocks attitudes from players who were already looking for an exit. Downed tools, feigned injuries and just saw their lucrative contracts out. The Terrier spirit had gone from some before Siewert got the impossible gig We were winless in 11 before Siewert took over. Some people seem to conveniently forget that. We had 1 win in 19 when he was sacked. I sure as hell haven't forgotten that. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 8, 2023 0:57:21 GMT 1
Exactly. That season, Wagner was just as bad, yet there is this myth that we were only rubbish under Siewert. Statistically, obviously he's one of the worst managers, but all the other worst managers were losing to Preston, Rotherham and Wigan whereas he was losing to Chelsea, Tottenham and Liverpool đ I read you say this before. You must have not attended those games or taken a blow to the head. The results were bad under Wagner but we were good to watch, away to Wolves iâd say the best iâve ever seen Town play. We didnât play well under Siewart in one single game, not a single game!!! His best game was at West Ham and he still fucked that up. I hate that man. We weren't good to watch. The Wolves game was the exception rather than the rule that season. But you've proved my point. Thanks. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 8, 2023 0:59:02 GMT 1
We were winless in 11 before Siewert took over. Some people seem to conveniently forget that. We had 1 win in 19 when he was sacked. I sure as hell haven't forgotten that. Neither have I. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 8, 2023 1:00:54 GMT 1
He was an absolute weapon. A Premier League manager that Sky got mixed up with a guy who worked at Cliffe House. âWalked in like heâd won the Champions Leagueâ Just one of the comments from the dressing room. How does he coach, get his point across âHe doesnât he shouts at usâ was another. A terrible terrible football coach and horrible man. One of the nicest I have ever met. He was sat with a number of us in Austria during the pre season tour. Really down to earth. Also, what you're referring to regarding 'walking into the changing rooms'. Presume you mean when half of them stopped putting the effort in and he threw a notepad down and said if you don't wanna play for this ub, right your name down. Fully respect that as a paying fan. Also.... terrible football coach? Completely incorrect. Potentially might not be a very good manager, but he is a fantastic coach. If Warnock had chucked the notepad down, we'd be hearing about it for the next 40 years and it'd be doing the rounds like the old Cloughie stories. |
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Post by htafcokay on Dec 8, 2023 1:06:43 GMT 1
You serious? Off the top of my head. Hamer in for Lossl. Dropped Zanka. Dropped Billing for saying what everyone knew. Dropped Mooy. Then played him on the right wing. Played the âAfrican wingersâ together away at Chelsea. Played Aaron Rowe. Played Dunaney. Even Schindler, the greatest professional i can remember said the man was a twat. Don't forget the masterstroke of taking the captaincy from Smith and giving it to Schindler. He was completely clueless but granted he had a few absolute wnkers in the squad and nowhere near enough quality for the PL. Idiotic appointment. Same Tommy Smith that stupidly got sent off at Newcastle? Same Tommy Smith that was causing strife in the dressing room? Siewert wanted his own captain, so he appointed one. He was the fucking manager. |
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Post by ColchTerrier on Dec 8, 2023 1:24:24 GMT 1
Finally getting to watch it now. I really like Nagle, have from the start. Whether Moore is the right guy or not (I think not) remains to be seen! If we had a manger that makes us competitive, gets us out of our seats then we will back him 100%. A manager who is defensive, static but gets the odd results that means weâre okay wonât do.
I would have happily taken half a day off work so that I could do a 5/6 hour round trip under Wagner knowing we was there to give it everything (Villa away etc).
But I canât do the same for what is served up so far (Powell-esk) I wouldnât travel 30mins down the road just to be bored. I want to like Moore I really do, so letâs see how he does in January but currently on the 23rd (my closest game) Iâd rather stay in a pub in Norwich.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Dec 8, 2023 3:33:11 GMT 1
There are some cynical, hard hearted, uninformed and unrealistic posters on here but this takes the biscuit You serious? Off the top of my head. Hamer in for Lossl. Dropped Zanka. Dropped Billing for saying what everyone knew. Dropped Mooy. Then played him on the right wing. Played the âAfrican wingersâ together away at Chelsea. Played Aaron Rowe. Played Dunaney. Even Schindler, the greatest professional i can remember said the man was a twat. Hamer started the season ahead of Lossl due to DW having a hissy fit about his contract negotiations. Wagner bought the âAfrican wingersâ for ÂŁ27m, selling Ince in the process. Siewart playing them is a far lesser crime. The squad was a mess, the team in free fall and the whole club an absolute car crash. Siewart picking Rowe had very little to do with that. |
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Post by Amigo on Dec 8, 2023 9:16:35 GMT 1
I bet he couldn't stand some of them. Billy big bollocks attitudes from players who were already looking for an exit. Downed tools, feigned injuries and just saw their lucrative contracts out. The Terrier spirit had gone from some before Siewert got the impossible gig We were winless in 11 before Siewert took over. Some people seem to conveniently forget that. We were but we weren't actually that bad. In that run there's - Brighton at home, couple of dodgy decisions. Bournemouth away we lost but played well and deserved at least a point probably more. Arsenal away lost to a very late goal. Newcastle at home again deserved at least a draw. Southampton at home not great. Man United away we had chances and could easily have drawn. Fulham away lost in 90th minute. Burnley at home played most of the game with 10 men. Cardiff away should have won. The results themselves were shit but we weren't played bad and very much competing in every game. |
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Post by Benhamer1 on Dec 8, 2023 9:56:53 GMT 1
You serious? Off the top of my head. Hamer in for Lossl. Dropped Zanka. Dropped Billing for saying what everyone knew. Dropped Mooy. Then played him on the right wing. Played the âAfrican wingersâ together away at Chelsea. Played Aaron Rowe. Played Dunaney. Even Schindler, the greatest professional i can remember said the man was a twat. Hamer started the season ahead of Lossl due to DW having a hissy fit about his contract negotiations. Wagner bought the âAfrican wingersâ for ÂŁ27m, selling Ince in the process. Siewart playing them is a far lesser crime. The squad was a mess, the team in free fall and the whole club an absolute car crash. Siewart picking Rowe had very little to do with that. One was french and one was belgian so think you should get rid of that ridiculous post that just screams youâre a massive racist |
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Post by mosher on Dec 8, 2023 10:13:47 GMT 1
Wonder what he would have been like / is like if / when he finds the right club / level?....some of the results were not million miles off the mark despite on paper being awful...... I always remember the Liverpool game. 10 seconds in, Stankovic makes a blunder and they're 1-0 up. We lose 5-0, Siewert is shite, get him sacked blah blah blah. If that happens under Wagner, fans would be making excuses and saying it wasn't Wagner's fault Stankovic made a blunder. I'm not saying Siewert was great, but he never stood a chance because of who he followed.Different finances and better players obviously, but following Wagner for us was the equivalent of following Fergie at Manure. Siewert had an impossible task. Whether he'd have been a success with us at a different time or following a different manager we'll never know, but he'd certainly have been given an easier ride by fans IMO |
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Post by Sparrow on Dec 8, 2023 10:46:26 GMT 1
Can we please stop referring to Mbenza and Diakhaby as 'The African Wingers'
Whilst both of them have African heritage, which they may very well be proud of, neither of them were born in Africa and neither have they represented either DR Congo or Senegal.
My wife is African and our eldest was born in South Africa, but I wouldn't really like to read or hear people calling either of our 2 boys, those African lads.
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Post by ram on Dec 8, 2023 10:51:23 GMT 1
Reading between the lines of castlehill terriers post,"owner of the Stadium or Stadium" does this mean if Kevin cannot buy the John Smiths Stadium,he is prepared to build a new one?
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Post by mosher on Dec 8, 2023 10:58:47 GMT 1
Can we please stop referring to Mbenza and Diakhaby as 'The African Wingers' Whilst both of them have African heritage, which they may very well be proud of, neither of them were born in Africa and neither have they represented either DR Congo or Senegal. My wife is African and our eldest was born in South Africa, but I wouldn't really like to read or hear people calling either of our 2 boys, those African lads. Definitely, my ex's extended family were all from various islands in the Caribbean but all those born here or subsequently naturalised thought of themselves as British, or at the worst British-Caribbean. Slightly different scenario, but they hated when people called them African, although they DID allow Afro-Caribbean mostly, which confused me a little bit. Having said all that, there are some people with African heritage who revel in having that highlighted so I'm not particularly surprised when people call Diabenza African. Some like to highlight and celebrate their family's heritage, others seem to downplay it and say they're completely British, which to me they are anyway. Bloody hell, I lived abroad longer than a lot of immigrants, should I not call myself British?  Although you could be right implying there's a race issue at play when SOME people bring it up. |
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Post by mosher on Dec 8, 2023 10:59:20 GMT 1
Reading between the lines of castlehill terriers post,"owner of the Stadium or Stadium" does this mean if Kevin cannot buy the John Smiths Stadium,he is prepared to build a new one? That's the first thing I thought when I read that, but thought I was perhaps reading too much into it. |
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Post by Dan on Dec 8, 2023 11:00:46 GMT 1
Can we please stop referring to Mbenza and Diakhaby as 'The African Wingers' Whilst both of them have African heritage, which they may very well be proud of, neither of them were born in Africa and neither have they represented either DR Congo or Senegal. My wife is African and our eldest was born in South Africa, but I wouldn't really like to read or hear people calling either of our 2 boys, those African lads. As far as I know, it's a bit of an in joke aimed mainly at the old bloke at the Phil Hodgkinson Odeon Q&A who wrongly referred to them as the 'African wingers' |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Dec 8, 2023 11:02:52 GMT 1
Reading between the lines of castlehill terriers post,"owner of the Stadium or Stadium" does this mean if Kevin cannot buy the John Smiths Stadium,he is prepared to build a new one? That's the first thing I thought when I read that, but thought I was perhaps reading too much into it. Too much into it sorry, I was suggesting if KN cant buy the stadium then looking for an alternative could be an option. I have however heard that a deal for the stadium could be a lot closer and although there are some bits to resolve it could be we hear some positive news when KN is over in January fingers crossed. |
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Post by Sparrow on Dec 8, 2023 11:05:52 GMT 1
Can we please stop referring to Mbenza and Diakhaby as 'The African Wingers' Whilst both of them have African heritage, which they may very well be proud of, neither of them were born in Africa and neither have they represented either DR Congo or Senegal. My wife is African and our eldest was born in South Africa, but I wouldn't really like to read or hear people calling either of our 2 boys, those African lads. Definitely, my ex's extended family were all from various islands in the Caribbean but all those born here or subsequently naturalised thought of themselves as British, or at the worst British-Caribbean. Slightly different scenario, but they hated when people called them African, although they DID allow Afro-Caribbean mostly, which confused me a little bit. Having said all that, there are some people with African heritage who revel in having that highlighted so I'm not particularly surprised when people call Diabenza African. Some like to highlight and celebrate their family's heritage, others seem to downplay it and say they're completely British, which to me they are anyway. Bloody hell, I lived abroad longer than a lot of immigrants, should I not call myself British? Although you could be right implying there's a race issue at play when SOME people bring it up. Absolutely some do celebrate their African Heritage. Our eldest is very proud of his African heritage. And I'm sure both Mbenza and Diakhaby are as well. However, I don't see anyone ever referring to Diarra, who proudly plays for Mali and chose them over France, as our African midfielder. Or Ayina who was born in DRC as our African CB. There's negative feelings towards Mbenza and Diakhaby and the 'African Wingers' line in not being used as a term of endearment or to celebrate their heritage |
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Post by mosher on Dec 8, 2023 11:08:14 GMT 1
Definitely, my ex's extended family were all from various islands in the Caribbean but all those born here or subsequently naturalised thought of themselves as British, or at the worst British-Caribbean. Slightly different scenario, but they hated when people called them African, although they DID allow Afro-Caribbean mostly, which confused me a little bit. Having said all that, there are some people with African heritage who revel in having that highlighted so I'm not particularly surprised when people call Diabenza African. Some like to highlight and celebrate their family's heritage, others seem to downplay it and say they're completely British, which to me they are anyway. Bloody hell, I lived abroad longer than a lot of immigrants, should I not call myself British? Although you could be right implying there's a race issue at play when SOME people bring it up. Absolutely some do celebrate their African Heritage. Our eldest is very proud of his African heritage. And I'm sure both Mbenza and Diakhaby are as well. However, I don't see anyone ever referring to Diarra, who proudly plays for Mali and chose them over France, as our African midfielder. Or Ayina who was born in DRC as our African CB. There's negative feelings towards Mbenza and Diakhaby and the 'African Wingers' line in not being used as a term of endearment or to celebrate their heritage Yep, that's why I added the final line. I originally ended with the winky emoji, but then thought of the last bit  |
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