|
|
Post by rockwall on Jul 27, 2023 20:30:51 GMT 1
One, I don't swallow everything the club tells me. Two, I don't think that we can put all of our hope on Neil to build them a team and turn every cast off into a diamond and lift the whole squad into keeping us up for the full season. I don't think that it is too much to ask to give him a little help in the way of a few quality transfers. And how do we get these 'quality' transfers? Have you been hiding under a rock the past couple of weeks? Can't pay with a bag of balls and floodlights these days. |
|
|
|
Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 27, 2023 20:37:28 GMT 1
The real business won’t begin until this season is over and Warnock’s successor is in place. Until then the club has to somehow muddle through and ensure it starts 2024-25 in the Championship. I appreciate it’s all very frustrating and underwhelming but I can’t think of anyone better to see us through this coming season than NW.
I do believe KN when he says he’s in this (HTAFC) for the long haul. Forget what other clubs might be doing in the transfer market, massive mistakes have undoubtedly been made over the last few years by the former club owners and the consequence is that the NEW owner has no option but to tread cautiously this season. Is that actually a bad thing?
The football league is flooded with examples of clubs owned by sometimes mysterious and suspicious individuals or entities that have seriously mishandled club affairs and got them into serious difficulties (Pompey, Birmingham, Hull, Charlton, Wigan, Reading, Crawley…….) often with an almost complete breakdown in relationships between the owners and the fans (I go to Crawley now and then so keep an eye on their forum). The last thing we want, surely, is to become just the latest club to suffer from gross mismanagement from a remote owner?
Let KN and his team settle in because I’d suggest that their track record suggests that ultimately they will deliver.
|
|
|
|
Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 27, 2023 20:51:57 GMT 1
Awaiting comments from our good friend Chadders... I’ve always liked him. Local lad ,Came in when we were in the Prem and looked the real deal Career seemed to fade after a good start and there were rumours that he was out on the town a bit too much. Did well in the states I believe but none of the umpteen managers we’ve had in the past three years seem to fancy him He’s still young and he’s definitely good enough at this level I think he do well under Colin Who’s Colin? 😉 |
|
goodbet
Jimmy Glazzard Terrier
Posts: 4,609
|
Post by goodbet on Jul 27, 2023 20:56:31 GMT 1
The real business won’t begin until this season is over and Warnock’s successor is in place. Until then the club has to somehow muddle through and ensure it starts 2024-25 in the Championship. I appreciate it’s all very frustrating and underwhelming but I can’t think of anyone better to see us through this coming season than NW. I do believe KN when he says he’s in this (HTAFC) for the long haul. Forget what other clubs might be doing in the transfer market, massive mistakes have undoubtedly been made over the last few years by the former club owners and the consequence is that the NEW owner has no option but to tread cautiously this season. The football league is flooded with examples of clubs owned by sometimes mysterious and suspicious individuals or entities that have seriously mishandled club affairs and got them into serious difficulties (Pompey, Birmingham, Hull, Charlton, Wigan, Reading, Crawley…….) often with an almost complete breakdown in relationships between the owners and the fans. The last thing we want, surely, is to become just the latest club to suffer from gross mismanagement from a remote owner? Let KN and his team settle in because I’d suggest that their track record suggests that ultimately they will deliver. We have seen the talk, but for me we have to see the walk and I give them until the end of the transfer window. I have had enough of Dean since his illness followed by Phil and I am not willing to listen to any more secrecy clauses. The new owners are having to pick up a mess and run with it not to sit down and wait for 2024/25 and in the meantime Neil has to repeat last years trick for a full season. |
|
Tinpot
Mental Health Support Group
I'm really tinpot
Posts: 24,136 
|
Post by Tinpot on Jul 27, 2023 21:01:33 GMT 1
Wagner built a unit. Cowley signed great individuals. Carlos built a unit. Warnock will build a unit. The Championship is escaped as much on team work, work ethic and discipline as it is via talent and wage bills. Pearson or Kongolo? Rudoni or Pritchard? Koroma or Mbenza? It’s like folk have forgotten every lesson we learned in the past 6 years 🤷♂️ Wagner had some individuals too. Schindler and Mooy weren't exactly cloggers! |
|
|
|
Post by Porrohman on Jul 27, 2023 21:04:51 GMT 1
I'm the complete opposite, if there's a strong opinion a player is crap it's usually the case, works if they think he's good too. I don't remember any exceptions. Signing cast offs from our rivals basically, disappointing. The only consolation being he is just cover for Turton so no point breaking the bank. If he was one of a few more ambitious signings it probably wouldn't be so underwhelming. Zzzzzzzz Ask Forest fans (if you can bear to speak to the bloody reprobates) what they thought of Joe Lolley and Hef. Further back, my cousin is an Oldham fan. His opinions of Phil Starbuck and David Beresford don't match mine! Lossl was absolute dogshit the season before he came here. Nakhi Wells was utterly reliant on playing off a big man (hence my former moniker on here - "Useless Without Hanson"). Darren Bullock was shit anywhere other than here. Scott Arfield at Burnley. Alex Pritchard was highly rated before coming here. Did he think Beresford was good ? |
|
|
|
Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 27, 2023 21:09:35 GMT 1
The real business won’t begin until this season is over and Warnock’s successor is in place. Until then the club has to somehow muddle through and ensure it starts 2024-25 in the Championship. I appreciate it’s all very frustrating and underwhelming but I can’t think of anyone better to see us through this coming season than NW. I do believe KN when he says he’s in this (HTAFC) for the long haul. Forget what other clubs might be doing in the transfer market, massive mistakes have undoubtedly been made over the last few years by the former club owners and the consequence is that the NEW owner has no option but to tread cautiously this season. The football league is flooded with examples of clubs owned by sometimes mysterious and suspicious individuals or entities that have seriously mishandled club affairs and got them into serious difficulties (Pompey, Birmingham, Hull, Charlton, Wigan, Reading, Crawley…….) often with an almost complete breakdown in relationships between the owners and the fans. The last thing we want, surely, is to become just the latest club to suffer from gross mismanagement from a remote owner? Let KN and his team settle in because I’d suggest that their track record suggests that ultimately they will deliver. We have seen the talk, but for me we have to see the walk and I give them until the end of the transfer window. I have had enough of Dean since his illness followed by Phil and I am not willing to listen to any more secrecy clauses. The new owners are having to pick up a mess and run with it not to sit down and wait for 2024/25 and in the meantime Neil has to repeat last years trick for a full season. The club is still suffering the legacy from the mismanagement of it by DH and PH, there’s no sugarcoating that fact. I am very glad that neither of those are officially connected with the club any more. I don’t understand why when the club was taken over by KN he couldn’t have issued a new budget to the EFL to replace the budget DH apparently had to provide back in March. It seems preposterous to me that the budget for 23-24 has actually been set by the previous owner but that’s the fact of it if I understand correctly. KN is having to live with the consequences, FOR NOW. To give the club only until the close of the first transfer window to satisfy what you think needs to be done, is unfair on KN, in my opinion. |
|
Tinpot
Mental Health Support Group
I'm really tinpot
Posts: 24,136
|
Post by Tinpot on Jul 27, 2023 21:16:48 GMT 1
We will presumably have the option to send him back in January if he hasn't done well/Turton is back/ we can get somebody better or any combination of the 3. That's a huge benefit to us Why are you writing the lad off before he has kicked a ball for us? Nobody was saying that about the two premier league signings we got, and did send back, last season. Welcome to Town Tom. Looking forward to watching you play. I didn't read that as paulmat writing him off. There are lots of reasons that a loan could be cut short. Of course - one is that he's shit (see Luke Mbete). Or maybe he's ok, but someone we (rightly or wrongly - see Matt Lowton) believe is better becomes available. Another is that Stoke might have an injury crisis and they may wish to have him back in January for their own first team. Also worth noting that if he's on loan, he can't play against them. That might have factored into Stoke's thinking. |
|
Tinpot
Mental Health Support Group
I'm really tinpot
Posts: 24,136
|
Post by Tinpot on Jul 27, 2023 21:17:58 GMT 1
Ask Forest fans (if you can bear to speak to the bloody reprobates) what they thought of Joe Lolley and Hef. Further back, my cousin is an Oldham fan. His opinions of Phil Starbuck and David Beresford don't match mine! Lossl was absolute dogshit the season before he came here. Nakhi Wells was utterly reliant on playing off a big man (hence my former moniker on here - "Useless Without Hanson"). Darren Bullock was shit anywhere other than here. Scott Arfield at Burnley. Alex Pritchard was highly rated before coming here. Did he think Beresford was good ? He did. |
|
|
|
Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 27, 2023 21:24:18 GMT 1
Welcome Tom. All the best. I desperately hope you’ve not read this far down the page.
|
|
|
|
Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 27, 2023 21:24:36 GMT 1
so funny people are saying good signing,how you know like so funny people are saying shit signing,how you know like. |
|
|
|
Post by warnockbrasil on Jul 27, 2023 22:21:46 GMT 1
The MlS to championship pipeline.... great
|
|
|
|
Post by 28901 on Jul 28, 2023 0:02:54 GMT 1
god help you for posting such bullshine !! Utt It's a post from Stokes forum 🙄 He really is as thick as his written English suggests. |
|
|
|
Post by 28901 on Jul 28, 2023 0:16:24 GMT 1
Wagner built a unit. Cowley signed great individuals. Carlos built a unit. Warnock will build a unit. The Championship is escaped as much on team work, work ethic and discipline as it is via talent and wage bills. Pearson or Kongolo? Rudoni or Pritchard? Koroma or Mbenza? It’s like folk have forgotten every lesson we learned in the past 6 years 🤷♂️ Wagner had some individuals too. Schindler and Mooy weren't exactly cloggers! Apart from Mooy none of them have done anything since that Wagner team, and none were particularly well known when they signed. Maybe gk Danny Ward, who I actually thought was a weak link. If ever there was a case of sum greater than parts. And the right man at the right time. |
|
|
|
Post by Big Ern on Jul 28, 2023 0:18:33 GMT 1
Wagner had some individuals too. Schindler and Mooy weren't exactly cloggers! Apart from Mooy none of them have done anything since that Wagner team, and none were particularly well known when they signed. Maybe gk Danny Ward, who I actually thought was a weak link. If ever there was a case of sum greater than parts. And the right man at the right time. Also the gegenpress, introducing a revolutionary style to the championship for its time. I think we took a lot of teams by surprise that year. |
|
|
|
Post by Spike24 on Jul 28, 2023 6:12:21 GMT 1
everybody, stoke lose a wage we get cheap cover he gets a chance to regain his reputation. as for a loan, he may not be good enough for what we are planning for 2024/25! Al of those benefits would come with us just taking over his contract on a 1 year permanent deal though. Only difference I can see is that it limits our loan options. Maybe Stoke are covering a chunk of his wage?? |
|
|
|
Post by Spike24 on Jul 28, 2023 6:37:03 GMT 1
Stable signing. Perfect for what we need right now. Those moaning about it. Jog on and support someone else. It has been made perfectly clear what we are dealing with in regards to recruitment, so just face the facts. I really do not know what kind of signings you are expecting. We have brought 2 people in that improve the squad. Experience alone. So many teams get players from clubs in the same division for one reason or another. Look at Hungbo for example. Sorba to Blackburn. Djed Spence the season at Forest. Another clubs cast offs could be another's gain.Imagine Portsmouth fans reading about Koroma, he is a changed pkayer now. Guaranteed we finish above some of the teams apparently 'splashing' the cash. Another clubs cast offs could well be another ones gain, unfortunately we have tried to do this several times in the past and ended up with you guessed it, cast offs. We have tried buying injured players and they guess what they did not get much game time. Let's just hope we have broken our trend. hogg Pearson Nicholls all cast offs we brought in amongst others. |
|
|
|
Post by Junior & Onuora on Jul 28, 2023 7:26:59 GMT 1
Another clubs cast offs could well be another ones gain, unfortunately we have tried to do this several times in the past and ended up with you guessed it, cast offs. We have tried buying injured players and they guess what they did not get much game time. Let's just hope we have broken our trend. hogg Pearson Nicholls all cast offs we brought in amongst others. Hogg definitely wasn't a cast off. He was probably Watford's best player in the Play Offs and was one of the first names on the team sheet that season. He requested a move to be further North. I have no doubt Watford would've chosen to retain him otherwise, even if they were Premier League bound. |
|
|
|
Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 28, 2023 8:22:16 GMT 1
Another clubs cast offs could well be another ones gain, unfortunately we have tried to do this several times in the past and ended up with you guessed it, cast offs. We have tried buying injured players and they guess what they did not get much game time. Let's just hope we have broken our trend. hogg Pearson Nicholls all cast offs we brought in amongst others. I don’t know how Pearson has become a castoff from Luton all of a sudden. He played 40 odd games in a Luton team that finished mid table the season before joining us. |
|
crux
Jimmy Glazzard Terrier
[M0:0]
Posts: 4,119
Member is Online
|
Post by crux on Jul 28, 2023 10:14:26 GMT 1
The MlS to championship pipeline.... great I know you're just a WUM, so I'm not sure why I'm bothering. But he did actually play for Barnsley last season until he got injured and if you look on their forum they were quite impressed. Sorry, I realise that doesn't quite fit your negative, miserable bastard persona, but I thought I'd point it out. |
|
Tinpot
Mental Health Support Group
I'm really tinpot
Posts: 24,136
|
Post by Tinpot on Jul 28, 2023 10:30:30 GMT 1
Wagner had some individuals too. Schindler and Mooy weren't exactly cloggers! Apart from Mooy none of them have done anything since that Wagner team, and none were particularly well known when they signed. Maybe gk Danny Ward, who I actually thought was a weak link. If ever there was a case of sum greater than parts. And the right man at the right time. Perhaps, although I expect that had we sold Schindler in summer 2018 we'd have comfortably got an 8 figure fee for him. I do agree on the argument as a whole - just pointing out that he didn't just pull together a bunch of cloggers. There was individual talent (and a number of other factors) in there as well. |
|
Tinpot
Mental Health Support Group
I'm really tinpot
Posts: 24,136
|
Post by Tinpot on Jul 28, 2023 10:35:33 GMT 1
Al of those benefits would come with us just taking over his contract on a 1 year permanent deal though. Only difference I can see is that it limits our loan options. Maybe Stoke are covering a chunk of his wage?? They could with a sale as well. As someone else pointed out though, there may (or may not!) be a recall clause in there in case Stoke want him back, if it's not working out or if we need to free up space/funds to bring in what we believe to be a better option in January. Also, while it's a loan, Stoke can refuse permission to play against his parent club - which they couldn't do if it was a permanent transfer. |
|
Tinpot
Mental Health Support Group
I'm really tinpot
Posts: 24,136
|
Post by Tinpot on Jul 28, 2023 10:53:13 GMT 1
The MlS to championship pipeline.... great I'd be SO pissed off if we'd signed someone of the calibre of Darryl Dike, Almiron or Alphonso Davies.... |
|
|
|
Post by RickDangerous on Jul 28, 2023 11:16:52 GMT 1
Ask Forest fans (if you can bear to speak to the bloody reprobates) what they thought of Joe Lolley and Hef. Further back, my cousin is an Oldham fan. His opinions of Phil Starbuck and David Beresford don't match mine! Lossl was absolute dogshit the season before he came here. Nakhi Wells was utterly reliant on playing off a big man (hence my former moniker on here - "Useless Without Hanson"). Darren Bullock was shit anywhere other than here. Scott Arfield at Burnley. Alex Pritchard was highly rated before coming here. Did he think Beresford was good ? by god he was fast |
|
|
|
Post by Porrohman on Jul 28, 2023 12:25:13 GMT 1
Did he think Beresford was good ? by god he was fast The white Adama |
|
goodbet
Jimmy Glazzard Terrier
Posts: 4,609
|
Post by goodbet on Jul 28, 2023 12:43:10 GMT 1
We have seen the talk, but for me we have to see the walk and I give them until the end of the transfer window. I have had enough of Dean since his illness followed by Phil and I am not willing to listen to any more secrecy clauses. The new owners are having to pick up a mess and run with it not to sit down and wait for 2024/25 and in the meantime Neil has to repeat last years trick for a full season. The club is still suffering the legacy from the mismanagement of it by DH and PH, there’s no sugarcoating that fact. I am very glad that neither of those are officially connected with the club any more. I don’t understand why when the club was taken over by KN he couldn’t have issued a new budget to the EFL to replace the budget DH apparently had to provide back in March. It seems preposterous to me that the budget for 23-24 has actually been set by the previous owner but that’s the fact of it if I understand correctly. KN is having to live with the consequences, FOR NOW. To give the club only until the close of the first transfer window to satisfy what you think needs to be done, is unfair on KN, in my opinion. I liked you do not understand why when the club was taken over by KN he couldn’t have issued a new budget to the EFL. Any other business would be able to-do this, so although I know that the football structure can't run a raffle (just look at VAR) I just can not swallow the logic on this one. I am giving the club until the end of the first window to sign three players that will strengthen the first eleven. Given the standard of the squad this is not too much of an ask. I believe that it is unfair to expect NW to keep turning water into wine and repeat last years miracle over a full season with business we have done to date. |
|
|
|
Post by allthefives on Jul 28, 2023 12:47:19 GMT 1
We have seen the talk, but for me we have to see the walk and I give them until the end of the transfer window. I have had enough of Dean since his illness followed by Phil and I am not willing to listen to any more secrecy clauses. The new owners are having to pick up a mess and run with it not to sit down and wait for 2024/25 and in the meantime Neil has to repeat last years trick for a full season. The club is still suffering the legacy from the mismanagement of it by DH and PH, there’s no sugarcoating that fact. I am very glad that neither of those are officially connected with the club any more. I don’t understand why when the club was taken over by KN he couldn’t have issued a new budget to the EFL to replace the budget DH apparently had to provide back in March. It seems preposterous to me that the budget for 23-24 has actually been set by the previous owner but that’s the fact of it if I understand correctly. KN is having to live with the consequences, FOR NOW. To give the club only until the close of the first transfer window to satisfy what you think needs to be done, is unfair on KN, in my opinion. Is the club really suffering from the Canalside acquisition & development, being in the Championship, Academy restructuring now showing greater numbers coming through at this higher level? |
|
goodbet
Jimmy Glazzard Terrier
Posts: 4,609
|
Post by goodbet on Jul 28, 2023 12:48:30 GMT 1
Another clubs cast offs could well be another ones gain, unfortunately we have tried to do this several times in the past and ended up with you guessed it, cast offs. We have tried buying injured players and they guess what they did not get much game time. Let's just hope we have broken our trend. hogg Pearson Nicholls all cast offs we brought in amongst others. No they weren't. Hogg was made available to us because Watford were promoted to the premier league and had big plans for his position. Nicholls would not sign a contract and was left in the stiffs. As for Pearson I don't recall to be honest. |
|
|
|
Post by Porrohman on Jul 28, 2023 12:50:11 GMT 1
hogg Pearson Nicholls all cast offs we brought in amongst others. No they weren't. Hogg was made available to us because Watford were promoted to the premier league and had big plans for his position. Nicholls would not sign a contract and was left in the stiffs. As for Pearson I don't recall to be honest. I think Hoggy wanted to move back north too |
|
|
|
Post by allthefives on Jul 28, 2023 12:50:19 GMT 1
The club is still suffering the legacy from the mismanagement of it by DH and PH, there’s no sugarcoating that fact. I am very glad that neither of those are officially connected with the club any more. I don’t understand why when the club was taken over by KN he couldn’t have issued a new budget to the EFL to replace the budget DH apparently had to provide back in March. It seems preposterous to me that the budget for 23-24 has actually been set by the previous owner but that’s the fact of it if I understand correctly. KN is having to live with the consequences, FOR NOW. To give the club only until the close of the first transfer window to satisfy what you think needs to be done, is unfair on KN, in my opinion. I liked you do not understand why when the club was taken over by KN he couldn’t have issued a new budget to the EFL. Any other business would be able to-do this, so although I know that the football structure can't run a raffle (just look at VAR) I just can not swallow the logic on this one. I am giving the club until the end of the first window to sign three players that will strengthen the first eleven. Given the standard of the squad this is not too much of an ask. I believe that it is unfair to expect NW to keep turning water into wine and repeat last years miracle over a full season with business we have done to date. How remarkably magnanimous of you! " I am giving the club until the end of the first window to sign three players that will strengthen the first eleven. Given the standard of the squad this is not too much of an ask." |
|
