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Post by Floyds on Apr 2, 2024 10:44:47 GMT 1
Yeah. I would look at both though. That's AB's job! Or we should find/have found someone who CAN motivate them. May as well have put me or you in charge for all the difference it would make. I’d disagree on that, the likes of Koroma and Ward have had 7/8 managers at Town. There comes a point where you have to look at the players and say  are you doing? We can’t keep making excuses for this lot. Not making excuses for them at all. But we need the manager to get more out of them in the last 6 games than he's managed for his first 7. I've said it before but they can all get in the bin. Players / managers / DOFs / whoever else. Hopeless the lot of them. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 2, 2024 11:36:55 GMT 1
He absolutely should have tried to square it, but I think there's still a big chance it would have got cut out by the defender if he had. Poor decision making but not quite the nailed on goal plenty are claiming. More worrying are his performances in general the last couple of months. He's gone from being our only attacking hope to looking like a clumsy pillock who doesn't have a care in the world. What's AB doing with them all week? They look totally clueless and devoid of confidence. Has he? He's been here 5 years now and has been average at best for the vast majority of that time. He scored 3 in 4 games at the start of 2024 but has otherwise been a sulky shithouse all season. He's scored 20 league goals in 5 years and 8 of them came in 16 games in 2020/21, eons ago. He doesn't create goals. He even managed to have a bit of a stinker in the 1 season during his spell here in which we were any good. |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 2, 2024 13:08:20 GMT 1
Koroma has regressed massively in recent weeks as well.What's AB doing with them all week? They look totally clueless and devoid of confidence. Has he? He's been here 5 years now and has been average at best for the vast majority of that time. He scored 3 in 4 games at the start of 2024 but has otherwise been a sulky shithouse all season. He's scored 20 league goals in 5 years and 8 of them came in 16 games in 2020/21, eons ago. He doesn't create goals. He even managed to have a bit of a stinker in the 1 season during his spell here in which we were any good. I wouldn't be defending him either. But Warnock can get him playing. It's the Manager's job to deal with and get the best out of people. Which Warnock can do and AB (and most other people) cannot. Same as Danny Ward who's conveniently injured again. Like I said, I'd fuck them all off at the earliest given opportunity. |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Apr 2, 2024 13:11:24 GMT 1
Has he? He's been here 5 years now and has been average at best for the vast majority of that time. He scored 3 in 4 games at the start of 2024 but has otherwise been a sulky shithouse all season. He's scored 20 league goals in 5 years and 8 of them came in 16 games in 2020/21, eons ago. He doesn't create goals. He even managed to have a bit of a stinker in the 1 season during his spell here in which we were any good. I wouldn't be defending him either. But Warnock can get him playing. It's the Manager's job to deal with and get the best out of people. Which Warnock can do and AB (and most other people) cannot. Same as Danny Ward who's conveniently injured again. Like I said, I'd fuck them all off at the earliest given opportunity. Yes he did well under Warnock but Christ stop beating up manager after manager , when the simple answer is the player. Warnock had a few games out of him where he performed. He is the problem not the list of managers. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 2, 2024 13:22:26 GMT 1
Has he? He's been here 5 years now and has been average at best for the vast majority of that time. He scored 3 in 4 games at the start of 2024 but has otherwise been a sulky shithouse all season. He's scored 20 league goals in 5 years and 8 of them came in 16 games in 2020/21, eons ago. He doesn't create goals. He even managed to have a bit of a stinker in the 1 season during his spell here in which we were any good. I wouldn't be defending him either. But Warnock can get him playing. It's the Manager's job to deal with and get the best out of people. Which Warnock can do and AB (and most other people) cannot. Same as Danny Ward who's conveniently injured again. Like I said, I'd fuck them all off at the earliest given opportunity. By that token Corberan got more out of Koroma than Warnock as his 8 in 16 was on his watch...until he didn't as Koroma went to shit under his watch too. Ultimately, too many of our players just aren't good enough and I'd put JK in that category. Incidentally Warnock just got nothing of note out of the players at Aberdeen yet they've won twice in 3 games since he left. The only positive about relegation is that we have so few players I would give any fucks about leaving. |
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Post by isitjustme on Apr 2, 2024 13:36:24 GMT 1
He did way more than Healey today….. And Healey cost 2 million. Also it was great play to actually create the chance to cross it. He’s a bit of a maverick but every team Needs one of those. I’d love to sign him permanently. It was NOT great play - the full back fell over !!! Watch it again. I wouldn't touch him, even on a free Just watched it again. The defender is already committed to the slide before he cocks the trigger. Fake a shot and simple pass....!!! |
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Post by ACW on Apr 2, 2024 13:47:35 GMT 1
We are all presuming he puts a perfect pass in a small gap between a keeper and 2 defenders to Healey? Give him a break. Looks easier than it actually was to make the pass across. Let's just get behind him and the rest of the team and stop criticising for the sake of it. If it was an isolated incident I would agree with you, but it isn't. He's been greedy and lacked awareness of others in better positions since he joined the club. And, crucially, he hasn't improved. Irrespective of yesterday's incident, he has consistently shown that he is not a team player. Rarely gets his head up and rarely passes. A shame, because he obviously has ability, but he doesn't use it in the best interests of the team. I suspect he'll never change. |
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Post by ldr on Apr 2, 2024 14:11:09 GMT 1
We are all presuming he puts a perfect pass in a small gap between a keeper and 2 defenders to Healey? Give him a break. Looks easier than it actually was to make the pass across. Let's just get behind him and the rest of the team and stop criticising for the sake of it. If it was an isolated incident I would agree with you, but it isn't. He's been greedy and lacked awareness of others in better positions since he joined the club. And, crucially, he hasn't improved. Irrespective of yesterday's incident, he has consistently shown that he is not a team player. Rarely gets his head up and rarely passes. A shame, because he obviously has ability, but he doesn't use it in the best interests of the team. I suspect he'll never change. His work off the ball is woeful and his body language would really wind me up if I was his team mate. But we might need a maverick for one moment in the next few games so he has to be around the squad imo. As for next season, I’d be releasing him unless AB sees something he can help develop. |
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Post by ambryboy on Apr 2, 2024 14:20:16 GMT 1
If it was an isolated incident I would agree with you, but it isn't. He's been greedy and lacked awareness of others in better positions since he joined the club. And, crucially, he hasn't improved. Irrespective of yesterday's incident, he has consistently shown that he is not a team player. Rarely gets his head up and rarely passes. A shame, because he obviously has ability, but he doesn't use it in the best interests of the team. I suspect he'll never change. His work off the ball is woeful and his body language would really wind me up if I was his team mate. But we might need a maverick for one moment in the next few games so he has to be around the squad imo. As for next season, I’d be releasing him unless AB sees something he can help develop. Not a League 1 type of player so I'd bin him off at the end of the season. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 2, 2024 15:13:14 GMT 1
We are all presuming he puts a perfect pass in a small gap between a keeper and 2 defenders to Healey? Give him a break. Looks easier than it actually was to make the pass across. Let's just get behind him and the rest of the team and stop criticising for the sake of it. Please look at the incident again - it WAS bloody easy to make the pass. Instead of his second touch just before he took the shot he had the time and the space to play a simple pass to Healey, before the goalkeeper or any defender could stop him Just look at Healey's reaction Quite simple, a selfish idiot with no goal "awareness" whatsoever. Surely you're joking? The 2 defenders and keeper were there all the time. At no point was it an 'easy'pass. Itnwoukd have been cut out, or into the keepers hands. |
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Post by rockwall on Apr 2, 2024 15:15:36 GMT 1
Has he? He's been here 5 years now and has been average at best for the vast majority of that time. He scored 3 in 4 games at the start of 2024 but has otherwise been a sulky shithouse all season. He's scored 20 league goals in 5 years and 8 of them came in 16 games in 2020/21, eons ago. He doesn't create goals. He even managed to have a bit of a stinker in the 1 season during his spell here in which we were any good. I wouldn't be defending him either. But Warnock can get him playing. It's the Manager's job to deal with and get the best out of people. Which Warnock can do and AB (and most other people) cannot. Same as Danny Ward who's conveniently injured again. Like I said, I'd fuck them all off at the earliest given opportunity. Koroma only plays well when due a contract. |
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Post by ACW on Apr 2, 2024 15:32:16 GMT 1
I wouldn't be defending him either. But Warnock can get him playing. It's the Manager's job to deal with and get the best out of people. Which Warnock can do and AB (and most other people) cannot. Same as Danny Ward who's conveniently injured again. Like I said, I'd fuck them all off at the earliest given opportunity. Koroma only plays well when due a contract. That's commonly known as "Doing a Baldry". 😁 |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 2, 2024 16:01:57 GMT 1
Please look at the incident again - it WAS bloody easy to make the pass. Instead of his second touch just before he took the shot he had the time and the space to play a simple pass to Healey, before the goalkeeper or any defender could stop him Just look at Healey's reaction Quite simple, a selfish idiot with no goal "awareness" whatsoever. Surely you're joking? The 2 defenders and keeper were there all the time. At no point was it an 'easy'pass. Itnwoukd have been cut out, or into the keepers hands. Yeah I think blaming Burgzorg for shooting in that instance is OTT, there's no way it would have reached Healy and to be honest if I was Burgzorg, I'd have shot too. |
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 2, 2024 16:10:01 GMT 1
We are all presuming he puts a perfect pass in a small gap between a keeper and 2 defenders to Healey? Give him a break. Looks easier than it actually was to make the pass across. Let's just get behind him and the rest of the team and stop criticising for the sake of it. If it was an isolated incident I would agree with you, but it isn't. He's been greedy and lacked awareness of others in better positions since he joined the club. And, crucially, he hasn't improved. Irrespective of yesterday's incident, he has consistently shown that he is not a team player. Rarely gets his head up and rarely passes. A shame, because he obviously has ability, but he doesn't use it in the best interests of the team. I suspect he'll never change. Or maybe he's just playing to code and we need to get used to seeing more shots taken...we've been crying out for years for players whose first instinct on the ball inside the box is to get a shot away rather than pass. Burgzorg has scored almost double the amount of goals as his individual xG figure - that inherently feels like the stats of a player we should be encouraging to be selfish and go for goal...as opposed to... Danny Ward...goals more or less matches xG, Koroma and Rudoni, score fewer than their xG. Healey is the same as Burgzorg even in his limited time that his goal return beats his xG, its the sign of a goal-scorer. We're conditioned of fans of this team over perhaps the last 10 years, to seeing us set up where we create very few chances, but we score from those chances - "passing until a goal is inevitable, rather than taking a few chances/pot shots" - it means we're not used to seeing forward players have a go with half-chances, and it really stands out when they miss...yet half the goals that Burgzorg HAS scored have been those half chances, and we wouldn't remember Danny Ward or our previous main goal scorer (erm, Karlan Grant - can't remember?!) missing those half chances, because they wouldn't be taking them in the first place, they'd be passing the ball to someone and play would just carry on with no decisive moment to recall. Players making attempts at scoring if they're inside the box is a big MUST for me - more of Burgzorg's so called selfishness please. |
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Post by softboy on Apr 2, 2024 16:11:27 GMT 1
We are now m calling players out for shooting. In the case a player who has scored and assisted many goals this season. Bizarre.
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Post by wigster on Apr 2, 2024 17:52:56 GMT 1
We are now m calling players out for shooting. In the case a player who has scored and assisted many goals this season. Bizarre. 7 goals 1 assist in 26 matches |
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Post by townarentbest on Apr 2, 2024 18:01:00 GMT 1
We are now m calling players out for shooting. In the case a player who has scored and assisted many goals this season. Bizarre. 7 goals 1 assist in 26 matches If only we had a striker that also managed that kind of return we'd be doing just fine rather than relying on guys who should be playing on the left wing and centre halves to score the bulk of our efforts. |
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Post by ACW on Apr 2, 2024 18:27:15 GMT 1
If it was an isolated incident I would agree with you, but it isn't. He's been greedy and lacked awareness of others in better positions since he joined the club. And, crucially, he hasn't improved. Irrespective of yesterday's incident, he has consistently shown that he is not a team player. Rarely gets his head up and rarely passes. A shame, because he obviously has ability, but he doesn't use it in the best interests of the team. I suspect he'll never change. Or maybe he's just playing to code and we need to get used to seeing more shots taken...we've been crying out for years for players whose first instinct on the ball inside the box is to get a shot away rather than pass. Burgzorg has scored almost double the amount of goals as his individual xG figure - that inherently feels like the stats of a player we should be encouraging to be selfish and go for goal...as opposed to... Danny Ward...goals more or less matches xG, Koroma and Rudoni, score fewer than their xG. Healey is the same as Burgzorg even in his limited time that his goal return beats his xG, its the sign of a goal-scorer. We're conditioned of fans of this team over perhaps the last 10 years, to seeing us set up where we create very few chances, but we score from those chances - "passing until a goal is inevitable, rather than taking a few chances/pot shots" - it means we're not used to seeing forward players have a go with half-chances, and it really stands out when they miss...yet half the goals that Burgzorg HAS scored have been those half chances, and we wouldn't remember Danny Ward or our previous main goal scorer (erm, Karlan Grant - can't remember?!) missing those half chances, because they wouldn't be taking them in the first place, they'd be passing the ball to someone and play would just carry on with no decisive moment to recall. Players making attempts at scoring if they're inside the box is a big MUST for me - more of Burgzorg's so called selfishness please. He's selfish in all areas of the pitch. It doesn't matter what is or isn't on, he rarely gets his head up to make the right decision. I don't mind him being selfish when a shot is on, and a team mate is not in a a better position, but when he loses the ball because he keeps it too long and won't get his head up it does my head in. Even selfish players need awareness of when to go alone and when to use a better placed team mate. And I'm not just talking about when they are in the box. I mean wherever they are on the pitch. Diarra frustrates me for the exact same reason. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Apr 2, 2024 20:23:38 GMT 1
Surely you're joking? The 2 defenders and keeper were there all the time. At no point was it an 'easy'pass. Itnwoukd have been cut out, or into the keepers hands. Yeah I think blaming Burgzorg for shooting in that instance is OTT, there's no way it would have reached Healy and to be honest if I was Burgzorg, I'd have shot too. Wow. All day long he draws the goalkeeper then passes to Healey. He waits for the opportunity to “open”. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 2, 2024 21:30:01 GMT 1
If it was an isolated incident I would agree with you, but it isn't. He's been greedy and lacked awareness of others in better positions since he joined the club. And, crucially, he hasn't improved. Irrespective of yesterday's incident, he has consistently shown that he is not a team player. Rarely gets his head up and rarely passes. A shame, because he obviously has ability, but he doesn't use it in the best interests of the team. I suspect he'll never change. Or maybe he's just playing to code and we need to get used to seeing more shots taken...we've been crying out for years for players whose first instinct on the ball inside the box is to get a shot away rather than pass. Burgzorg has scored almost double the amount of goals as his individual xG figure - that inherently feels like the stats of a player we should be encouraging to be selfish and go for goal...as opposed to... Danny Ward...goals more or less matches xG, Koroma and Rudoni, score fewer than their xG. Healey is the same as Burgzorg even in his limited time that his goal return beats his xG, its the sign of a goal-scorer. We're conditioned of fans of this team over perhaps the last 10 years, to seeing us set up where we create very few chances, but we score from those chances - "passing until a goal is inevitable, rather than taking a few chances/pot shots" - it means we're not used to seeing forward players have a go with half-chances, and it really stands out when they miss...yet half the goals that Burgzorg HAS scored have been those half chances, and we wouldn't remember Danny Ward or our previous main goal scorer (erm, Karlan Grant - can't remember?!) missing those half chances, because they wouldn't be taking them in the first place, they'd be passing the ball to someone and play would just carry on with no decisive moment to recall. Players making attempts at scoring if they're inside the box is a big MUST for me - more of Burgzorg's so called selfishness please. Basically what you're saying is that we've been starved of flair players at Town. |
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