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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 30, 2024 20:18:44 GMT 1
So Warnock didn’t make comments about his attitude either? Or Blackburn as a club where he did nothing? People can blame breitenreiter all they want but Sorba got 0 yes Zero goal contributions in the Andre period. People seem to be fixated on Warnock's comments about Sorba... it's as if they've never heard Warnock talk before. NW was always the sort to take a "rough diamond" under his wing, and use tongue-in-cheek humour... but what it comes to Sorba there's no room for nuance all of a sudden. It's obvious even to those of us that like Sorba that he's perhaps not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and that at times he's not reacted in the best way to criticism or to things not going his way. But I can't recall him ever "downing tools" other than under Breitenscheiße when he was made the scapegoat for everything going wrong. Going and playing in France will probably do him the world of good, he needs to grow up a bit (what with having a young child now) and this will help. Whether he comes back a more rounded and mature individual with Town back in the second tier, or whether we end up with a sizeable fee without him joining a domestic rival, who knows... but as I see it it's a win-win situation for Town. Warnock said he'd start a fight in an empty room after 3 weeks of working with him.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Jul 30, 2024 20:24:05 GMT 1
People seem to be fixated on Warnock's comments about Sorba... it's as if they've never heard Warnock talk before. NW was always the sort to take a "rough diamond" under his wing, and use tongue-in-cheek humour... but what it comes to Sorba there's no room for nuance all of a sudden. It's obvious even to those of us that like Sorba that he's perhaps not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and that at times he's not reacted in the best way to criticism or to things not going his way. But I can't recall him ever "downing tools" other than under Breitenscheiße when he was made the scapegoat for everything going wrong. Going and playing in France will probably do him the world of good, he needs to grow up a bit (what with having a young child now) and this will help. Whether he comes back a more rounded and mature individual with Town back in the second tier, or whether we end up with a sizeable fee without him joining a domestic rival, who knows... but as I see it it's a win-win situation for Town. Warnock said he'd start a fight in an empty room after 3 weeks of working with him. I know what he said. He said it with a wry smile on his face though, and recognised his value to the team in spite of his flaws. Do you think that Warnock also thought that Boothy was literally "still in f***ing Latvia" in the dressing room at Gay Meadow in 1995? Of course not, it's a figure of speech.
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Post by ben1987 on Jul 30, 2024 20:55:39 GMT 1
I was at a charity event on Sunday and spoke with someone who, until last season, was relatively senior with the backroom staff. (Not naming names, so don't ask) We had a really good long chat over a beer about all things Town, and I asked him about Sorba. I actually asked him by saying "please tell me he's not as much of a bad influence as we're led to believe" and he said "he's worse". Basically confirmed that he thinks he is better than he is, walks around like Billy Big Bollocks and has a piss poor attitude. He did then praise his work rate on the pitch and said how frustrating Sorba could be. No reason to disbelieve him. Two loan moves tells you all you need to know.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Jul 30, 2024 21:31:40 GMT 1
I was at a charity event on Sunday and spoke with someone who, until last season, was relatively senior with the backroom staff. (Not naming names, so don't ask) We had a really good long chat over a beer about all things Town, and I asked him about Sorba. I actually asked him by saying "please tell me he's not as much of a bad influence as we're led to believe" and he said "he's worse". Basically confirmed that he thinks he is better than he is, walks around like Billy Big Bollocks and has a piss poor attitude. He did then praise his work rate on the pitch and said how frustrating Sorba could be. No reason to disbelieve him. Won’t give it long before town fans are piling on you saying hearsay etc etc etc Breitenreiter got a lot of stick from ostrich town fans but he showed the club for what it is/was. Filled with toxicity
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Post by goodbet on Jul 30, 2024 21:36:19 GMT 1
The whole team went backwards under Andre. Just look at the points he gained (or failed to do). AB made any of our other recent cr@p managers look good. I’m not trying to go all xg and stuff but Moore got 0.01 ppg more than Andre last season and Warnock got about 1.15 so he’s hardly that much worse. Also the chief set piece taker going 14 games without an assist has nothing to do with the manager Andre's results were much worse than DM's and calling out players did not work for him either.
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Post by Rigodon on Jul 30, 2024 22:15:18 GMT 1
I was at a charity event on Sunday and spoke with someone who, until last season, was relatively senior with the backroom staff. (Not naming names, so don't ask) We had a really good long chat over a beer about all things Town, and I asked him about Sorba. I actually asked him by saying "please tell me he's not as much of a bad influence as we're led to believe" and he said "he's worse". Basically confirmed that he thinks he is better than he is, walks around like Billy Big Bollocks and has a piss poor attitude. He did then praise his work rate on the pitch and said how frustrating Sorba could be. No reason to disbelieve him. Two loan moves tells you all you need to know. That we've had weak as piss wanker managers who couldn't handle 'strong characters' in the dressing room? Only thing that matters is what's on the pitch, IMHO. Good managers get rid or get a tune out of them. He seemingly wasn't a problem for Carlos or Colin. Most successful managers we've had with this shower of shite. And I expect both of them could be fuckers on their day given their rapid departures from Town He's gone now and regardless of the comments made by the club / Cartwright which I haven't seen comment on... I've never known a kid get so much 'grief' for supposed 'attitude problems' on here - and this place loves a patsy. One such attitude which saw him go from working in JD Sports IIRC to being a regular success in a playoff final making 2nd division football team. For me.. Good luck to the lad and hopefully we'll get a decent fee for him in the future. UTT
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Post by yappledapple on Jul 30, 2024 22:18:58 GMT 1
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Post by 28901 on Jul 30, 2024 22:32:23 GMT 1
People seem to be fixated on Warnock's comments about Sorba... it's as if they've never heard Warnock talk before. NW was always the sort to take a "rough diamond" under his wing, and use tongue-in-cheek humour... but what it comes to Sorba there's no room for nuance all of a sudden. It's obvious even to those of us that like Sorba that he's perhaps not the sharpest knife in the drawer, and that at times he's not reacted in the best way to criticism or to things not going his way. But I can't recall him ever "downing tools" other than under Breitenscheiße when he was made the scapegoat for everything going wrong. Going and playing in France will probably do him the world of good, he needs to grow up a bit (what with having a young child now) and this will help. Whether he comes back a more rounded and mature individual with Town back in the second tier, or whether we end up with a sizeable fee without him joining a domestic rival, who knows... but as I see it it's a win-win situation for Town. Warnock said he'd start a fight in an empty room after 3 weeks of working with him. It was said as a joke. With a certain affection.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 30, 2024 22:37:58 GMT 1
He had that blue defender in his back pocket… 😉
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Post by keefer on Jul 30, 2024 22:48:14 GMT 1
Best of luck but I suspect he’ll be back here next summer if not before. He will be at Crystal Palace on 11th August for a pre season friendly. Hopefully the penny has dropped & he gets back to where he was a couple of years ago........Let the football do the talking. That......is a very specific viewpoint
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 30, 2024 22:59:22 GMT 1
Hope he does well and we have a decent transfer fee in place.
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Post by shawsie on Jul 31, 2024 5:49:32 GMT 1
I was at a charity event on Sunday and spoke with someone who, until last season, was relatively senior with the backroom staff. (Not naming names, so don't ask) We had a really good long chat over a beer about all things Town, and I asked him about Sorba. I actually asked him by saying "please tell me he's not as much of a bad influence as we're led to believe" and he said "he's worse". Basically confirmed that he thinks he is better than he is, walks around like Billy Big Bollocks and has a piss poor attitude. He did then praise his work rate on the pitch and said how frustrating Sorba could be. No reason to disbelieve him. Won’t give it long before town fans are piling on you saying hearsay etc etc etc Breitenreiter got a lot of stick from ostrich town fans but he showed the club for what it is/was. Filled with toxicity Breitenreiter can feck right off! Gutless coward who having overseen shite results decided he wasnt going to put the record straight and sort it out. Yes he inherited some issues - but he ran away from them despite having an owner willing to back him after he got us relegated and threw the players and staff under the bus. Good riddance.
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Post by htfcterry on Jul 31, 2024 6:35:23 GMT 1
I was at a charity event on Sunday and spoke with someone who, until last season, was relatively senior with the backroom staff. (Not naming names, so don't ask) We had a really good long chat over a beer about all things Town, and I asked him about Sorba. I actually asked him by saying "please tell me he's not as much of a bad influence as we're led to believe" and he said "he's worse". Basically confirmed that he thinks he is better than he is, walks around like Billy Big Bollocks and has a piss poor attitude. He did then praise his work rate on the pitch and said how frustrating Sorba could be. No reason to disbelieve him. I imagine Tom Lees doesn't have altercations with many team mates, to the point hes pinning someone up against a wall. He comes across as the one of the most professional minded footballers there is. Ever since that I've thought Sorba was a problem.
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Post by swam4mwg on Jul 31, 2024 6:39:20 GMT 1
Despite the negatively towards him, I never thought he had thrown the towel in on the pitch. Off the pitch things probably weren't right. He obviously wanted to move on. AB blamed everyone but himself.
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Post by ben1987 on Jul 31, 2024 7:52:28 GMT 1
Two loan moves tells you all you need to know. That we've had weak as piss wanker managers who couldn't handle 'strong characters' in the dressing room? Only thing that matters is what's on the pitch, IMHO. Good managers get rid or get a tune out of them. He seemingly wasn't a problem for Carlos or Colin. Most successful managers we've had with this shower of shite. And I expect both of them could be fuckers on their day given their rapid departures from Town He's gone now and regardless of the comments made by the club / Cartwright which I haven't seen comment on... I've never known a kid get so much 'grief' for supposed 'attitude problems' on here - and this place loves a patsy. One such attitude which saw him go from working in JD Sports IIRC to being a regular success in a playoff final making 2nd division football team. For me.. Good luck to the lad and hopefully we'll get a decent fee for him in the future. UTT Aye good luck to him indeed, but it doesn’t change the fact that he’s not wanted by those he works with.
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 31, 2024 8:22:45 GMT 1
Despite the negatively towards him, I never thought he had thrown the towel in on the pitch. Off the pitch things probably weren't right. He obviously wanted to move on. AB blamed everyone but himself. You weren't at the Birmingham game then?
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 31, 2024 8:28:05 GMT 1
I was at a charity event on Sunday and spoke with someone who, until last season, was relatively senior with the backroom staff. (Not naming names, so don't ask) We had a really good long chat over a beer about all things Town, and I asked him about Sorba. I actually asked him by saying "please tell me he's not as much of a bad influence as we're led to believe" and he said "he's worse". Basically confirmed that he thinks he is better than he is, walks around like Billy Big Bollocks and has a piss poor attitude. He did then praise his work rate on the pitch and said how frustrating Sorba could be. No reason to disbelieve him. A couple of years ago, I knew Tom Lees' good mate and it was common knowledge that Lees had smacked Thomas after the Rotherham away game under Fotheringham. Apparently Lees isn't like that at all, but he'd lost it and had to be pulled off him. Then on Monday morning, they were the first into training and Lees had to be pulled off him again.
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Post by dezzly on Jul 31, 2024 8:44:33 GMT 1
I was at a charity event on Sunday and spoke with someone who, until last season, was relatively senior with the backroom staff. (Not naming names, so don't ask) We had a really good long chat over a beer about all things Town, and I asked him about Sorba. I actually asked him by saying "please tell me he's not as much of a bad influence as we're led to believe" and he said "he's worse". Basically confirmed that he thinks he is better than he is, walks around like Billy Big Bollocks and has a piss poor attitude. He did then praise his work rate on the pitch and said how frustrating Sorba could be. No reason to disbelieve him. I think that’s probably how I’d viewed sorba to be honest from little bits I’d heard and then watching him. Was led to believe he could be disruptive however on the pitch I never went along with this view that he didn’t put in the effort,I thought he always ran pretty hard. There are a couple of instances where he’s dangled a leg etc to block shots but I think you could probably make that arguement for most players at times. Hopefully the “I’m better than you” attitude is something that doesn’t wash in the French top league although he isn’t exactly going to one of the top clubs. Maybe the fact that he’s clearly not been able to get another deal humbles him also as I’m hoping he does well and we can get a fee for him next summer as I think realistically the time has come for him to fully move on from town.
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 31, 2024 8:57:46 GMT 1
He literally hid when he came on against Birmingham last season. Had no interest whatsoever.
I do wonder if people actually watch the games sometimes.
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Post by dezzly on Jul 31, 2024 9:04:47 GMT 1
He literally hid when he came on against Birmingham last season. Had no interest whatsoever. I do wonder if people actually watch the games sometimes. Well I also wonder the same thing because I watch him sprinting 50/60/70 yards up and down and the blokes in and around me are screaming at him….narrative..”he’s lazy,he’s this,he’s that” Admittedly I said there will be occasions where it’s not the case and I do agree that once andre was in the door his attitude and application did take a down turn.Think I was more referring to his time as a whole. I like to think that of all the things when I turn up at a game is that I don’t watch it with any pre conceived idea of a a player/manager or anything else and try to watch what is in front of me. The Birmingham game you mention also is a game I wasn’t at as was away so I can’t really comment too much.
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Post by htafcokay on Jul 31, 2024 9:08:04 GMT 1
He literally hid when he came on against Birmingham last season. Had no interest whatsoever. I do wonder if people actually watch the games sometimes. Well I also wonder the same thing because I watch him sprinting 50/60/70 yards up and down and the blokes in and around me are screaming at him….narrative..”he’s lazy,he’s this,he’s that” Admittedly I said there will be occasions where it’s not the case and I do agree that once andre was in the door his attitude and application did take a down turn.Think I was more referring to his time as a whole. I like to think that of all the things when I turn up at a game is that I don’t watch it with any pre conceived idea of a a player/manager or anything else and try to watch what is in front of me.The Birmingham game you mention also is a game I wasn’t at as was away so I can’t really comment too much. I never suggested otherwise. But when a player, who is supposedly our star man, comes on in a game where we need to win or we get relegated, I don't expect him to be hiding out wide and not showing for the ball. He wasn't interested, it was the most important game of the season and he wasn't bothered. For that reason alone he can go fuck himself.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Jul 31, 2024 9:10:03 GMT 1
He's shite, better off without him.
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Post by dezzly on Jul 31, 2024 9:15:23 GMT 1
Well I also wonder the same thing because I watch him sprinting 50/60/70 yards up and down and the blokes in and around me are screaming at him….narrative..”he’s lazy,he’s this,he’s that” Admittedly I said there will be occasions where it’s not the case and I do agree that once andre was in the door his attitude and application did take a down turn.Think I was more referring to his time as a whole. I like to think that of all the things when I turn up at a game is that I don’t watch it with any pre conceived idea of a a player/manager or anything else and try to watch what is in front of me.The Birmingham game you mention also is a game I wasn’t at as was away so I can’t really comment too much. I never suggested otherwise. But when a player, who is supposedly our star man, comes on in a game where we need to win or we get relegated, I don't expect him to be hiding out wide and not showing for the ball. He wasn't interested, it was the most important game of the season and he wasn't bothered. For that reason alone he can go fuck himself. Yeh I agree.the end of the season behaviour was dog turd and when we needed him most. My previous point was more to point out in general that I didn’t think he had dialled it in before that but that I had heard he was difficult to say the least behind the scenes. Think we’re both just coming at it from different angles. But he has to go I agree,we don’t need that persona behind the scenes and also I don’t think he particularly fits into a wing back system because he’s not good enough defending.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 31, 2024 9:34:14 GMT 1
He needs a reboot, like many of the players who have been here under, probably, the most poorly managed I have seen this club alongside the latter stages of Rubery's time. Everyone quotes AB about the toxicity among the players but getting booed everytime you lose, or draw near the end, is going to affect players, and I don't just think it was Sorba.
I hope he does really well and we get a good fee for him. We can all move on now until some posters find the next player to single out.
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Jul 31, 2024 9:37:48 GMT 1
Comes across as arrogant and self centred but I'm not sure if it's a positive trait or negative one. I think this has probably helped him get to where he is.
I've thought for a while Thomas thinks he's too good for Huddersfield Town and now we're in League One, probably would agree with him.
I've seen his old tiktok videos, listened to enough interviews ('for me') to see he's going to rub people up the wrong way and not the easiest of blokes to get on with. Also heard the rumour htafcokay has referenced but was told it happened at Luton. By accounts several players at that time were having words with him to sort his attitude out.
At times last season he looked to be the most hard working player on the pitch, he was our only real attacking threat and everything we did went through him. But on other occasions he gave up. Stoke City away for their equaliser, Swansea's third or fourth goal and his behaviour against Birmingham was unprofessional at best.
However, his corners are the best I've ever seen anyone take for Town. His technique and consistency in his deliveries will be sorely missed by me. Nobody in an England shirt this Summer took a corner as well as Sorba Thomas does.
He's a big character and I'll follow his career to see how he gets on. I hope it works out well for him but not sure if it will. I think we'll end up being the Club he has most appearances for.
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Post by richhtfc on Jul 31, 2024 9:39:33 GMT 1
Good luck to him, fair play for taking a bold move but I’ll be very surprised if he makes this loan stick personally, just can’t see him settling there.
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Post by royrace on Jul 31, 2024 9:42:39 GMT 1
I was at a charity event on Sunday and spoke with someone who, until last season, was relatively senior with the backroom staff. (Not naming names, so don't ask) We had a really good long chat over a beer about all things Town, and I asked him about Sorba. I actually asked him by saying "please tell me he's not as much of a bad influence as we're led to believe" and he said "he's worse". Basically confirmed that he thinks he is better than he is, walks around like Billy Big Bollocks and has a piss poor attitude. He did then praise his work rate on the pitch and said how frustrating Sorba could be. No reason to disbelieve him. Very interesting and pretty much confirms the suspicions of many. The type of person he is plus the formation duff wants to play seems to suggest this move is very much for the best. The language barrier may actually help him in France! Here's hoping we make decent money on him.
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Post by space hardware on Jul 31, 2024 10:17:53 GMT 1
I remember that interview he gave before the last World Cup, talking about "not fearing England" etc.
He came across as incredibly thick and arrogant.
No idea if he's a toxic character but there are people on here who are close to the club that I'd trust to be honest, who say he is.
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Post by mosher on Jul 31, 2024 13:18:19 GMT 1
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 31, 2024 13:21:45 GMT 1
To be fair, the club are bound to give him glowing references, they will be trying to sell him for more money than he is currently worth, partly due to the bad press he got.
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