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Post by Fish & Chips on Jun 2, 2024 12:51:47 GMT 1
The Sun today. Page 61. Full Page article entitled: “You’re a buffoon”. |
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Post by royrace on Jun 2, 2024 13:15:30 GMT 1
The only surprise is it took him so long to respond! Bet he's been fuming for weeks especially if he's reads this board and realised some fans genuinely thought he didn't know how to run a pre season after 1600 games!
They've poked a sleeping lion or should I say André did using info he'd been given second hand. I don't blame him for responding one iota. Also Ronnie still wants to earn a living in the game, being bad mouthed by the club and having his professionalism questioned ain't great for future employment prospects. Hopefully most will be able to make their own minds up.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Jun 2, 2024 17:36:39 GMT 1
What you choose to do in your social life is upto you. The reason it matters to me is because you are posting it on here with another stick to beat the club with.All Warnock cares about is people like you lining his pockets, not Huddersfield Town football club. We need a bit of Unity amongst the fanbase this season. Completely wrong. I'm not beating the club at all. I was at the event, and have posted exactly what was said so it now puts the debate to bed as everyone has had their say, Nagle, Breitenreiter and Warnock. I'd have been just as interested if it was an Evening With Lou Macari [or any other random ex Town manager]. An Evening With Darren Moore doesn't sound overly exciting to be honest... |
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 2, 2024 17:44:22 GMT 1
Completely wrong. I'm not beating the club at all. I was at the event, and have posted exactly what was said so it now puts the debate to bed as everyone has had their say, Nagle, Breitenreiter and Warnock. I'd have been just as interested if it was an Evening With Lou Macari [or any other random ex Town manager]. An Evening With Darren Moore doesn't sound overly exciting to be honest... Erm. |
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Post by alfredsterrier on Jun 2, 2024 18:40:18 GMT 1
I’m pretty sure the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Of course NW isn’t going to take what AB said and say nothing.
Neil’s record earns him the right to do things his way and speak up when others criticise.
The problem is, we did see players not fit enough.
The stats bear out the fact that we conceded late in games etc etc.
We did see players with poor attitudes.
Who is to blame is anyone’s guess and probably a combination of managers going back a couple of years.
I don’t see it as all NW or all AB or everything NW does turns to gold.
I’m just hoping that Michael Duff turns us around and then we can give up talking about either manager.
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Post by Huddy Town Black Sox on Jun 2, 2024 21:14:32 GMT 1
If the last sentence relates to the early substitution at Ipswich, then I think you're wrong. Rudoni deserved that, his 'performance' that day was a disgrace. A 22 year old being publically embarrassed in front of millions. He's still starting out in football. That was well out of order and will take a lot of getting over. oh deer |
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Post by Huddy Town Black Sox on Jun 2, 2024 21:22:52 GMT 1
Warnocks account of things, even if if it’s true or not. From the criticism about preseason, the timing and the decisions in managerial appointments this season, The lack of professionalism by the players and ultimately relegation. I think the finger-pointing at players and managers doesn’t really matter There was a director of football that oversee all this and was the common point of management. Then there is the CEO who is Kevin’s eyes and ears. Both of those senior individuals oversee this shit show and resulted in relegation. How Kevin can defend these two people and actually state they’ve done a good job/everything I’ve asked of them is baffling. I appreciate a new phase of trying to put out some video diaries and point to the future and not even engage in the past season. #oh deer right geer b4 u spout |
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Post by rockwall on Jun 2, 2024 21:40:57 GMT 1
Not saying it isn't true, but just because Warnock has said this doesn't mean it's the full truth.
He isn't going to exactly tell the parts out loud that were his fault is he?
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Post by bleaklow on Jun 2, 2024 21:49:19 GMT 1
Thank God that idiot AB has gone - if Nagle thought he was the right man for the job, his thinking is very worrying. The fact is that he and his henchmen took Town down and Nagle
must be best mates with Cartwright if he wants him to continue. All we can hope for is that Duff won't take any nonsense from the men in charge.
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 2, 2024 22:04:38 GMT 1
Not saying it isn't true, but just because Warnock has said this doesn't mean it's the full truth. He isn't going to exactly tell the parts out loud that were his fault is he? No, but it's only fair that he has his say. Breitenreiter and Nagle have both criticised Warnock and his methods, so Warnock has responded. |
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Post by rockwall on Jun 2, 2024 22:05:42 GMT 1
Not saying it isn't true, but just because Warnock has said this doesn't mean it's the full truth. He isn't going to exactly tell the parts out loud that were his fault is he? No, but it's only fair that he has his say. Breitenreiter and Nagle have both criticised Warnock and his methods, so Warnock has responded. Agree, and as someone else said, the truth is probably in the middle. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jun 3, 2024 6:37:11 GMT 1
I think most of us are well versed enough to know that you can’t believe 100% of what Warnock says as he will always paint himself as being in the right etc and this is from a Warnock fan.
However, his comments raise a massive question mark in my mind with regard to Nagle and co. It is all well and good him and his pal giving it “up the town” in their videos along with whatever guff Cartwright and Edwards come out with, but none of them had the ability/desire to put what was best for the club (undoubtably keeping Warnock on) before their personal relationships/disagreements.
The fact this was at such an early stage in their tenure is nothing but worrying to me.
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Post by detox on Jun 3, 2024 7:00:32 GMT 1
I think most of us are well versed enough to know that you can’t believe 100% of what Warnock says as he will always paint himself as being in the right etc and this is from a Warnock fan. However, his comments raise a massive question mark in my mind with regard to Nagle and co. It is all well and good him and his pal giving it “up the town” in their videos along with whatever guff Cartwright and Edwards come out with, but none of them had the ability/desire to put what was best for the club (undoubtably keeping Warnock on) before their personal relationships/disagreements. The fact this was at such an early stage in their tenure is nothing but worrying to me. Quite rightly questions have been asked about what's gone on, particularly at senior level. It looks like a catalogue of poor decision making,wrong decisions and lack of professionalism. It has to bring into question KNs own decision making too. What looks like a succession of poor choices by all concerned has led to relegation. While there has been some acknowledgement of this, I'm not optimistic that lessons have been learned, neither am I of the opinion that it's all good fit for Town. This summer will either confirm or deny this, but thus far I'm not impressed at all by Cartwright and Edwards nor that Nagles fully got a grasp of the problem. |
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Post by dugnet on Jun 3, 2024 7:31:28 GMT 1
It was almost certain that this can of worms would open. It does point to a lack of a plan for last season and the subsequent reactive decisions we witnessed. We all are aware of the outcome.
I completely understand why, especially in the light of NWs (who will always be a Town legend) comments, people are sceptical about Mr Nagle and his team. The first year hasn't been anywhere near good enough. On the reverse of that mistakes appear to have been accepted, there has been a quick appointment of a credible coach and the ambitions for the future clearly stated. The tone has been sufficiently conciliatory to give me hope that a corner has been turned. To that end I am prepared to give all the chance to turn things around.
What this latest episode does however show is that Mr Nagle, and perhaps more pertinently his team, have very little leeway for any further mistakes. Michael Duff needs to be supported and by the time the transfer window closes he needs to have the squad he wants. This is the bottom line. Any short comings will not be tolerated by the fanbase. I obviously hope that things work out and this debate does not hang over the club.
With regard to any riposte to NWs comments; I would suggest that all concerned would be far better off saying nothing and getting on with the job in hand ie supporting MD in getting his squad together. Actions will speak far better than any tit for tat nonsense issued in the middle of the night on social media.
We desperately need to move on.
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jun 3, 2024 7:34:59 GMT 1
It was almost certain that this can of worms would open. It does point to a lack of a plan for last season and the subsequent reactive decisions we witnessed. We all are aware of the outcome. I completely understand why, especially in the light of NWs (who will always be a Town legend) comments, people are sceptical about Mr Nagle and his team. The first year hasn't been anywhere near good enough. On the reverse of that mistakes appear to have been accepted, there has been a quick appointment of a credible coach and the ambitions for the future clearly stated. The tone has been sufficiently conciliatory to give me hope that a corner has been turned. To that end I am prepared to give all the chance to turn things around. What this latest episode does however show is that Mr Nagle, and perhaps more pertinently his team, have very little leeway for any further mistakes. Michael Duff needs to be supported and by the time the transfer window closes he needs to have the squad he wants. This is the bottom line. Any short comings will not be tolerated by the fanbase. I obviously hope that things work out and this debate does not hang over the club. With regard to any riposte to NWs comments; I would suggest that all concerned would be far better off saying nothing and getting on with the job in hand ie supporting MD in getting his squad together. Actions will speak far better than any tit for tat nonsense issued in the middle of the night on social media. We desperately need to move on. All the above is fine but if they care so much they would have put the clubs interest before their own. Has a corner been turned…lets hope so. |
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Post by detox on Jun 3, 2024 8:57:11 GMT 1
It was almost certain that this can of worms would open. It does point to a lack of a plan for last season and the subsequent reactive decisions we witnessed. We all are aware of the outcome. I completely understand why, especially in the light of NWs (who will always be a Town legend) comments, people are sceptical about Mr Nagle and his team. The first year hasn't been anywhere near good enough. On the reverse of that mistakes appear to have been accepted, there has been a quick appointment of a credible coach and the ambitions for the future clearly stated. The tone has been sufficiently conciliatory to give me hope that a corner has been turned. To that end I am prepared to give all the chance to turn things around. What this latest episode does however show is that Mr Nagle, and perhaps more pertinently his team, have very little leeway for any further mistakes. Michael Duff needs to be supported and by the time the transfer window closes he needs to have the squad he wants. This is the bottom line. Any short comings will not be tolerated by the fanbase. I obviously hope that things work out and this debate does not hang over the club. With regard to any riposte to NWs comments; I would suggest that all concerned would be far better off saying nothing and getting on with the job in hand ie supporting MD in getting his squad together. Actions will speak far better than any tit for tat nonsense issued in the middle of the night on social media. We desperately need to move on. We've certainly had a lot of talk, but it's the actions to date that worry me and there's no real guarantee that incumbent no.5 is going to be any better. It beggars belief that they thought Moore and Breitenreiter were the answer. Anyway,we can hope, but if this doesn't work I expect the axe to finally be yielded. |
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Post by irverino on Jun 3, 2024 9:26:12 GMT 1
The Sun today. Page 61. Full Page article entitled: “You’re a buffoon”. Yesterday The Sun, today Talksport, tomorrow maybe Bild in Germany, when AB & MC concocted the pre season story they should have known Neil would fight back. AB should have walked away quietly instead of listening to the biggest buffoon in all this, Cartwright........Possibly why he needs the biggest office. |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Jun 3, 2024 9:42:27 GMT 1
If there's more to it then the club will definitely respond to this - now that Warnock's version of his departure is out in the mainstream media. If there's nothing from Town then you have to believe Warnock's version. I just can't grasp that the club would be so stupid as to get rid when they did without some SERIOUS non-football related issue. Warnock having a whinge about not getting signings in that press conference is nowhere near a valid enough reason for replacing him at the time we did.
Personally, I don't give a shit about AB and what he said or whether Warnock thinks he's a buffoon or not. I do care whether the club made an incredible misjudgment without any good reason.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 3, 2024 10:19:56 GMT 1
I can't believe so many experts on here are slagging AB off now he's gone, at the time of his appointment I think the vast majority on here were delighted, & very surprised, that a manager who has won a national title & got more than one team promoted into the Bundesliga was coming to manage us.
Nothing is guaranteed in football, on paper he seemed an excellent appointment, however, it turned out to be the wrong choice but there were very few at the time who thought it was the wrong choice.
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Post by irverino on Jun 3, 2024 10:32:30 GMT 1
I can't believe so many experts on here are slagging AB off now he's gone, at the time of his appointment I think the vast majority on here were delighted, & very surprised, that a manager who has won a national title & got more than one team promoted into the Bundesliga was coming to manage us. Nothing is guaranteed in football, on paper he seemed an excellent appointment, however, it turned out to be the wrong choice but there were very few at the time who thought it was the wrong choice. I don't hardly see that anyone would be slagging him off if he hadn't started it in the 1st place, openly calling out his team & then when relegated the manager who kept Town up last season. I think AB took some bad advice & probably from the same idiot who alerted KN to what NW said in the WBA pre match PC........JE seems to come out favourably from Neil & Ron comments so maybe he & MC don't completely see eye to eye? |
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Post by htafcokay on Jun 3, 2024 10:32:37 GMT 1
I can't believe so many experts on here are slagging AB off now he's gone, at the time of his appointment I think the vast majority on here were delighted, & very surprised, that a manager who has won a national title & got more than one team promoted into the Bundesliga was coming to manage us. Nothing is guaranteed in football, on paper he seemed an excellent appointment, however, it turned out to be the wrong choice but there were very few at the time who thought it was the wrong choice. Some even declared after his first game that we'd be staying up comfortably. |
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Post by 66738 on Jun 3, 2024 11:32:04 GMT 1
There will be some truths in both what AB said and in what Warnock said. We’ll never find out what really went on.
Whatever happened/didn’t happen, it was a disaster of a season and It’s now time to consign it into the history books and put that whole sorry saga to bed now. Start a fresh.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 3, 2024 11:50:36 GMT 1
There will be some truths in both what AB said and in what Warnock said. We’ll never find out what really went on. Whatever happened/didn’t happen, it was a disaster of a season and It’s now time to consign it into the history books and put that whole sorry saga to bed now. Start a fresh. Think youre right..both are probably correct to a certain extent. Its all a bit unedifying..two experienced managers having a playground spat at each other..both very keen to absolve themselves of all blame. A clash of style...your traditional old school English manager with his blokey 'one of the lads' style against a traditional German manager with his emphasis on discipline and rigid beliefs in what to do in any situation. There will only be one winner in the exchange though..Warnock the joker 'playing at home' to a media that love him...it wont be the German to a foreign media who dont know him, speaking in a second language , thats for sure. End of the day we had 3 managers last season and they all failed badly in their own way and all played a key role in taking us down. Like you say, time to put the sorry saga to bed and start afresh. |
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Post by goodbet on Jun 3, 2024 11:52:09 GMT 1
I can't believe so many experts on here are slagging AB off now he's gone, at the time of his appointment I think the vast majority on here were delighted, & very surprised, that a manager who has won a national title & got more than one team promoted into the Bundesliga was coming to manage us. Nothing is guaranteed in football, on paper he seemed an excellent appointment, however, it turned out to be the wrong choice but there were very few at the time who thought it was the wrong choice. A lot on here jump in and comment on things before they know what we have got. Just look back to the January window and I recall someone claiming it to be our best window ever. How many players are praised or degraded before they ever kick a ball for us. AB came with a good CV but he was really poor while at Town, whatever the reason for his poor performance we can only judge on what we saw. |
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Post by goodbet on Jun 3, 2024 12:54:51 GMT 1
There will be some truths in both what AB said and in what Warnock said. We’ll never find out what really went on. Whatever happened/didn’t happen, it was a disaster of a season and It’s now time to consign it into the history books and put that whole sorry saga to bed now. Start a fresh. Think youre right..both are probably correct to a certain extent. Its all a bit unedifying..two experienced managers having a playground spat at each other..both very keen to absolve themselves of all blame. A class of style...your traditional old school English manager with his blokey 'one of the lads' style against a traditional German manager with his emphasis on discipline and rigid beliefs in what to do in any situation. There will only be one winner in the exchange though..Warnock the joker 'playing at home' to a media that love him...it wont be the German to a foreign media who dont know him, speaking in a second language , thats for sure. End of the day we had 3 managers last season and they all failed badly in their own way and all played a key role in taking us down. Like you say, time to put the sorry saga to bed and start afresh. The playground spat as you say was caused when one Manager was trying to cover up for his abject performance and decided to point the finger not at the man who he took over from but to the before him. What he came out with he did not witness himself but could only have got this from someone at the club. No prizes for guessing who! Everything was laid at Warnocks door when he was replaced and I get the feeling that Cartwright is still creating his own smoke screen. If AB had not poked Warnock we would not have seen this shambles, as you said AB can only come out of this on the losing side. |
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Post by merseysideterrier on Jun 3, 2024 13:03:34 GMT 1
This is all turning into a farce, a 'well he started it' load of playground nonsense which is completely unedifying for the club and everyone involved.
AB was entitled to flag up the issues he saw, but went too far in publicly assigning blame to specific individuals particularly as it was clear we were going to be relegated on his watch. NW is doing his usual self aggrandising, glossing over his own culpability in favour of continuing a crowd pleasing public spat to protect his reputation. On current evidence I also don't buy the prevailing narrative that Cartwright is the incompetent idiot that NW makes him out to be. I'll at least wait until after this summer's transfer business is concluded
The best thing would be for the club to ignore NWs comments and get on with backing MD for the year ahead.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 3, 2024 13:06:37 GMT 1
I can't believe so many experts on here are slagging AB off now he's gone, at the time of his appointment I think the vast majority on here were delighted, & very surprised, that a manager who has won a national title & got more than one team promoted into the Bundesliga was coming to manage us. Nothing is guaranteed in football, on paper he seemed an excellent appointment, however, it turned out to be the wrong choice but there were very few at the time who thought it was the wrong choice. I don't hardly see that anyone would be slagging him off if he hadn't started it in the 1st place, openly calling out his team & then when relegated the manager who kept Town up last season. I think AB took some bad advice & probably from the same idiot who alerted KN to what NW said in the WBA pre match PC........JE seems to come out favourably from Neil & Ron comments so maybe he & MC don't completely see eye to eye? Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I wasn't talking about what he said, more about there are a lot of people on here saying he should never have been appointed but very few saying that when he started. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 3, 2024 13:20:08 GMT 1
Think youre right..both are probably correct to a certain extent. Its all a bit unedifying..two experienced managers having a playground spat at each other..both very keen to absolve themselves of all blame. A class of style...your traditional old school English manager with his blokey 'one of the lads' style against a traditional German manager with his emphasis on discipline and rigid beliefs in what to do in any situation. There will only be one winner in the exchange though..Warnock the joker 'playing at home' to a media that love him...it wont be the German to a foreign media who dont know him, speaking in a second language , thats for sure. End of the day we had 3 managers last season and they all failed badly in their own way and all played a key role in taking us down. Like you say, time to put the sorry saga to bed and start afresh. The playground spat as you say was caused when one Manager was trying to cover up for his abject performance and decided to point the finger not at the man who he took over from but to the before him. What he came out with he did not witness himself but could only have got this from someone at the club. No prizes for guessing who! Everything was laid at Warnocks door when he was replaced and I get the feeling that Cartwright is still creating his own smoke screen. If AB had not poked Warnock we would not have seen this shambles, as you said AB can only come out of this on the losing side. I would imagine Cartwright will have had his say to AB about our preparations in the summer but Id also imagine he'd have talked at length to the senior players about it too. AB was trying to put excuses out there to cover his own failings..but so is warnock in the same way...and Cartwright will be doing that aswell for that matter. Its a shame the players didnt pass the ball as well as the management above them pass the buck! |
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Post by goodbet on Jun 3, 2024 13:23:58 GMT 1
The playground spat as you say was caused when one Manager was trying to cover up for his abject performance and decided to point the finger not at the man who he took over from but to the before him. What he came out with he did not witness himself but could only have got this from someone at the club. No prizes for guessing who! Everything was laid at Warnocks door when he was replaced and I get the feeling that Cartwright is still creating his own smoke screen. If AB had not poked Warnock we would not have seen this shambles, as you said AB can only come out of this on the losing side. I would imagine Cartwright will have had his say to AB about our preparations in the summer but Id also imagine he'd have talked at length to the senior players about it too. AB was trying to put excuses out there to cover his own failings..but so is warnock in the same way...and Cartwright will be doing that aswell for that matter. Its a shame the players didnt pass the ball as well as the management above them pass the buck! Amen to that. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 3, 2024 13:24:37 GMT 1
I don't hardly see that anyone would be slagging him off if he hadn't started it in the 1st place, openly calling out his team & then when relegated the manager who kept Town up last season. I think AB took some bad advice & probably from the same idiot who alerted KN to what NW said in the WBA pre match PC........JE seems to come out favourably from Neil & Ron comments so maybe he & MC don't completely see eye to eye? Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I wasn't talking about what he said, more about there are a lot of people on here saying he should never have been appointed but very few saying that when he started. Very true. At the time he seemed like a great appointment...a real coup for the club. The best CV of any manager weve ever appointed. Now people are saying they cant believe we ever appointed him..what on earth were we thinking?! Hindsight is great.. |
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