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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 6, 2023 7:23:39 GMT 1
I think it's a sad indictment of the transfer policy he's even at the club in ghe first place. I don't see any other Championship clubs signing non league players, I believe Middlesbrough signed, Isiah Jones, one a few years ago bug I can't think of any others. Koroma and Thomas were both also non-league and have done alright. Some of our past cult heroes as well such as Darren Bullock. Anyone who knows a thing about English football knows the strength in depth our league pyramid has, and that some of the best players this country can produce can come from non-league. Jamie Vardy, Michail Antonio, and Jarrod Bowen to name a few. Signing from non-league is low risk with high potential reward, particularly if you get someone with as unusual a skillset as Hudlin. I like that we have a few of these interesting wildcard players like Hudlin, and players such as Thomas who've had to work in regular jobs before turning pro. Far from a sad indictment of the transfer policy, it adds some personality, graft, and rough diamonds to the side. But again, Bowen and Antonio aren't like for like comparisons, these are quality players, Hudlin, is nowhere near these 2. |
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Post by Porrohman on Nov 6, 2023 8:17:11 GMT 1
Koroma and Thomas were both also non-league and have done alright. Some of our past cult heroes as well such as Darren Bullock. Anyone who knows a thing about English football knows the strength in depth our league pyramid has, and that some of the best players this country can produce can come from non-league. Jamie Vardy, Michail Antonio, and Jarrod Bowen to name a few. Signing from non-league is low risk with high potential reward, particularly if you get someone with as unusual a skillset as Hudlin. I like that we have a few of these interesting wildcard players like Hudlin, and players such as Thomas who've had to work in regular jobs before turning pro. Far from a sad indictment of the transfer policy, it adds some personality, graft, and rough diamonds to the side. But again, Bowen and Antonio aren't like for like comparisons, these are quality players, Hudlin, is nowhere near these 2. O Ye of little faith 🤔😁 |
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Post by tepidterrier on Nov 6, 2023 9:16:39 GMT 1
Koroma and Thomas were both also non-league and have done alright. Some of our past cult heroes as well such as Darren Bullock. Anyone who knows a thing about English football knows the strength in depth our league pyramid has, and that some of the best players this country can produce can come from non-league. Jamie Vardy, Michail Antonio, and Jarrod Bowen to name a few. Signing from non-league is low risk with high potential reward, particularly if you get someone with as unusual a skillset as Hudlin. I like that we have a few of these interesting wildcard players like Hudlin, and players such as Thomas who've had to work in regular jobs before turning pro. Far from a sad indictment of the transfer policy, it adds some personality, graft, and rough diamonds to the side. But again, Bowen and Antonio aren't like for like comparisons, these are quality players, Hudlin, is nowhere near these 2. that wasn't the point either of us were making though was it? You started off moaning about us signing non league players full stop. Is your point now that we should only sign non league players if they're guaranteed to be future premier league players? I remember Antonio about 12 years ago for Sheff Weds, he was decent but no way I'd have thought he'd go on to achieve what he has. It just doesn't work like that. Sometimes we sign players that aren't the finished article, that's all there is to it |
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Post by WackyWorld on Nov 6, 2023 10:08:01 GMT 1
There’s Definitely a player in him somewhere. Maybe he’s not even a striker ? Would love for the lad to do well
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 6, 2023 10:24:35 GMT 1
I think it's a sad indictment of the transfer policy he's even at the club in ghe first place. I don't see any other Championship clubs signing non league players, I believe Middlesbrough signed, Isiah Jones, one a few years ago bug I can't think of any others. Pretty sure we wouldn't be able to afford Jarrod Bowen at his peak. Probably could have when he was still at Hereford though. Or Michael Antonio. Or Chris Smalling. Or Jamie Vardy. Or Solly March.... And no. I'm not saying that Kyle Hudlin is as good as any of them. I'm saying that there are players in non-league who could potentially do a job higher up. I'd suggest that we're right to look for potential talent wherever it is. If that's non-league, fine. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 6, 2023 10:43:44 GMT 1
I think it's a sad indictment of the transfer policy he's even at the club in ghe first place. I don't see any other Championship clubs signing non league players, I believe Middlesbrough signed, Isiah Jones, one a few years ago bug I can't think of any others. Pretty sure we wouldn't be able to afford Jarrod Bowen at his peak. Probably could have when he was still at Hereford though. Or Michael Antonio. Or Chris Smalling. Or Jamie Vardy. Or Solly March.... And no. I'm not saying that Kyle Hudlin is as good as any of them. I'm saying that there are players in non-league who could potentially do a job higher up. I'd suggest that we're right to look for potential talent wherever it is. If that's non-league, fine. As long as it is 'talent'....I'm sorry, with all due respect, Hudlin is not talent. He might make a solid League 2 pro, League 1 at a push. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Nov 6, 2023 11:23:05 GMT 1
Peterborough have picked up non league gems for years; Aaron McLean, Craig Mackail-Smith, Dwight Gayle, George Boyd and so on. There's no fluke to get it right so often
Even now they have Epron Mason-Clark and Kwame Poku (who started in non League) who would be worth millions each
To Bowen and others mentioned add Ethan Pinnock and Max Kilman - two solid Premier League centre backs
Lots of talent in the Conference
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Post by townarentbest on Nov 6, 2023 11:46:47 GMT 1
I think it's a sad indictment of the transfer policy he's even at the club in ghe first place. I don't see any other Championship clubs signing non league players, I believe Middlesbrough signed, Isiah Jones, one a few years ago bug I can't think of any others. That Sorba Thomas lad is alright, joined a Championship club from the National League - less than 18 months later he was travelling to a World Cup finals. |
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Post by Sparrow on Nov 6, 2023 11:51:00 GMT 1
Hudlin was definitely worth a punt from Non League. Bring him in as a 22 year old for very little money on very low wages....Develop him for 3-4 years and at 25/26 years of age you've then either got a player that's ready for first team football or you sell him and get your money back, possibly even a profit.
Pretty certain he wasn't signed with the expectation that he's be in the first team this season, but that's just circumstances. However, I thought he did well enough yesterday to suggest that he is developing nicely and who knows where he might be in a couple of years.
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 6, 2023 11:53:08 GMT 1
Pretty sure we wouldn't be able to afford Jarrod Bowen at his peak. Probably could have when he was still at Hereford though. Or Michael Antonio. Or Chris Smalling. Or Jamie Vardy. Or Solly March.... And no. I'm not saying that Kyle Hudlin is as good as any of them. I'm saying that there are players in non-league who could potentially do a job higher up. I'd suggest that we're right to look for potential talent wherever it is. If that's non-league, fine. As long as it is 'talent'....I'm sorry, with all due respect, Hudlin is not talent. He might make a solid League 2 pro, League 1 at a push. When you source from that level, you're buying potential. Some of those players will live up to that potential, others won't. Jarrod Bowen was just potential when he was at Hereford. |
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Post by isitjustme on Nov 6, 2023 12:29:16 GMT 1
I applaud his effort on Saturday. But championship players have to offer much more than that. If we were lg2 he would possibly be a decent option. I remember watching the likes of Terry Eccles in our 4th div days and being impressed. But surely we have moved on from that.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 6, 2023 12:32:54 GMT 1
I applaud his effort on Saturday. But championship players have to offer much more than that. If we were lg2 he would possibly be a decent option. I remember watching the likes of Terry Eccles in our 4th div days and being impressed. But surely we have moved on from that. No mate, listen to the experts on here, he's worth a punt, we're buying potential and all that, we're going to sell him for free when he is released from his contract after contributing the sum total of Jack Shit....whoever Jack Shit maybe. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 6, 2023 12:45:55 GMT 1
Peterborough have picked up non league gems for years; Aaron McLean, Craig Mackail-Smith, Dwight Gayle, George Boyd and so on. There's no fluke to get it right so often Even now they have Epron Mason-Clark and Kwame Poku (who started in non League) who would be worth millions each To Bowen and others mentioned add Ethan Pinnock and Max Kilman - two solid Premier League centre backs Lots of talent in the Conference That's all well and good but Hudlin will never be as good as these guys. If we had signed some of these guys, great, but we didn't. Lee Novak, the duracell bunny, was OK, streets ahead of Hudlin. |
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Post by Sparrow on Nov 6, 2023 15:08:22 GMT 1
I applaud his effort on Saturday. But championship players have to offer much more than that. If we were lg2 he would possibly be a decent option. I remember watching the likes of Terry Eccles in our 4th div days and being impressed. But surely we have moved on from that. No mate, listen to the experts on here, he's worth a punt, we're buying potential and all that, we're going to sell him for free when he is released from his contract after contributing the sum total of Jack Shit....whoever Jack Shit maybe. Why does someone giving a different opinion to yours make them an expert? It's not anyone trying to claim to be an expert, it's Town fans giving their opinions on a Town player on a Town fans forum. Those saying Hudlin has potential and was worth a punt might be right or wrong, likewise those saying he's not good enough and only a L2 player at best may also be right or wrong. But surely we come on here to discuss these things? Not all just agree and sing the same song. Or are you indeed the expert with the knowledge that he will never make it above League 2 level? |
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Post by townohiofan on Nov 6, 2023 15:10:30 GMT 1
A bit strange having a 6'9" striker that seems to see himself as a false 9 (and may be right in that assessment). My biggest issue with him is that I don't think he can be very valuable as a lone striker which does not help with our limited options at that position. Very much a situational player and sadly we dont seem to have the personnel for there to be many such situations where he would be a good option for anything more than a late sub. Ideally Burgzorg could play off of him but Burgzorg seems to not be willing to let others create for him (would rather stop to take on 3 defenders then to take advantage of someone creating a 1v1 opportunity for him).
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Post by Jello Biafra on Nov 6, 2023 15:29:17 GMT 1
No mate, listen to the experts on here, he's worth a punt, we're buying potential and all that, we're going to sell him for free when he is released from his contract after contributing the sum total of Jack Shit....whoever Jack Shit maybe. Why does someone giving a different opinion to yours make them an expert? It's not anyone trying to claim to be an expert, it's Town fans giving their opinions on a Town player on a Town fans forum. Those saying Hudlin has potential and was worth a punt might be right or wrong, likewise those saying he's not good enough and only a L2 player at best may also be right or wrong. But surely we come on here to discuss these things? Not all just agree and sing the same song. Or are you indeed the expert with the knowledge that he will never make it above League 2 level? Absolutely. And on Saturday, in those specific circumstances, the lad did a bloody good job and deserves some credit. There can't have been a single Town fan in the ground that thought Town weren't about to take a bumming of Biblical proportions off Watford. And Hudlin, along with the rest of the Town players, put a shift in to claim a worthy and unexpected point. Regardless of all the surrounding shitstorm off the field, what those lads did restored at least a bit of pride after a turgid previous few days. Surely we can all collectively acknowledge that, without dragging up all the reasons that have been done to death? |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 6, 2023 18:07:18 GMT 1
I think it's a sad indictment of the transfer policy he's even at the club in ghe first place. I don't see any other Championship clubs signing non league players, I believe Middlesbrough signed, Isiah Jones, one a few years ago bug I can't think of any others. it was our transfer policy. 1) Sell any player we could get a bit of money for. 2) Buy as cheaply as possible. |
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Post by littlerich on Nov 6, 2023 18:19:36 GMT 1
seem to remember somebody called Ian Wright being plucked from Sunday league football he turned out ok
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Post by goodbet on Nov 6, 2023 18:57:30 GMT 1
Why does someone giving a different opinion to yours make them an expert? It's not anyone trying to claim to be an expert, it's Town fans giving their opinions on a Town player on a Town fans forum. Those saying Hudlin has potential and was worth a punt might be right or wrong, likewise those saying he's not good enough and only a L2 player at best may also be right or wrong. But surely we come on here to discuss these things? Not all just agree and sing the same song. Or are you indeed the expert with the knowledge that he will never make it above League 2 level? Absolutely. And on Saturday, in those specific circumstances, the lad did a bloody good job and deserves some credit. There can't have been a single Town fan in the ground that thought Town weren't about to take a bumming of Biblical proportions off Watford. And Hudlin, along with the rest of the Town players, put a shift in to claim a worthy and unexpected point. Regardless of all the surrounding shitstorm off the field, what those lads did restored at least a bit of pride after a turgid previous few days. Surely we can all collectively acknowledge that, without dragging up all the reasons that have been done to death? It was a step in the right direction. The reasons we are in this mess are known to us all and should not be forgotten. |
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 6, 2023 18:59:51 GMT 1
I applaud his effort on Saturday. But championship players have to offer much more than that. If we were lg2 he would possibly be a decent option. I remember watching the likes of Terry Eccles in our 4th div days and being impressed. But surely we have moved on from that. No mate, listen to the experts on here, he's worth a punt, we're buying potential and all that, we're going to sell him for free when he is released from his contract after contributing the sum total of Jack Shit....whoever Jack Shit maybe. Sorba Thomas played at the same level. He was considered to be worth a punt. When he signed in the same window, Danny Grant was considered by many to be a better prospect than Sorba. He's gone back to Eire after failing to be anything more than a bit part player at Harrogate. Sometimes the punt is very well worth it. Sometimes not. But the idea that we shouldn't even be looking for players that have slipped under the radar is baffling. Especially with our budget. Our current best players came from Borehamwood, MK Dons (subs bench), Barnsley, and a kid from Wimbledon who was deemed at the time to have potential. Our playoff final team contained a bloke released by Charlton, a left back from Lincoln City and a couple of freebies ditched by relegated Sheff Wednesday. We should go back to signing players from Monaco... |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 7, 2023 9:07:09 GMT 1
No mate, listen to the experts on here, he's worth a punt, we're buying potential and all that, we're going to sell him for free when he is released from his contract after contributing the sum total of Jack Shit....whoever Jack Shit maybe. Sorba Thomas played at the same level. He was considered to be worth a punt. When he signed in the same window, Danny Grant was considered by many to be a better prospect than Sorba. He's gone back to Eire after failing to be anything more than a bit part player at Harrogate. Sometimes the punt is very well worth it. Sometimes not. But the idea that we shouldn't even be looking for players that have slipped under the radar is baffling. Especially with our budget. Our current best players came from Borehamwood, MK Dons (subs bench), Barnsley, and a kid from Wimbledon who was deemed at the time to have potential. Our playoff final team contained a bloke released by Charlton, a left back from Lincoln City and a couple of freebies ditched by relegated Sheff Wednesday. We should go back to signing players from Monaco... Though in fairness, wasn't he dropped because he wouldn't sign a new contract? |
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Post by rockwall on Nov 7, 2023 10:19:14 GMT 1
Sorba Thomas played at the same level. He was considered to be worth a punt. When he signed in the same window, Danny Grant was considered by many to be a better prospect than Sorba. He's gone back to Eire after failing to be anything more than a bit part player at Harrogate. Sometimes the punt is very well worth it. Sometimes not. But the idea that we shouldn't even be looking for players that have slipped under the radar is baffling. Especially with our budget. Our current best players came from Borehamwood, MK Dons (subs bench), Barnsley, and a kid from Wimbledon who was deemed at the time to have potential. Our playoff final team contained a bloke released by Charlton, a left back from Lincoln City and a couple of freebies ditched by relegated Sheff Wednesday. We should go back to signing players from Monaco... Though in fairness, wasn't he dropped because he wouldn't sign a new contract? Yes. Had 6 months left on his contract and wasn't going to re-sign, so they put him on the bench. This has been explained a thousand times, yet some just like to use it to degrade the club. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Nov 7, 2023 10:27:35 GMT 1
No mate, listen to the experts on here, he's worth a punt, we're buying potential and all that, we're going to sell him for free when he is released from his contract after contributing the sum total of Jack Shit....whoever Jack Shit maybe. Sorba Thomas played at the same level. He was considered to be worth a punt. When he signed in the same window, Danny Grant was considered by many to be a better prospect than Sorba. He's gone back to Eire after failing to be anything more than a bit part player at Harrogate. Sometimes the punt is very well worth it. Sometimes not. But the idea that we shouldn't even be looking for players that have slipped under the radar is baffling. Especially with our budget. Our current best players came from Borehamwood, MK Dons (subs bench), Barnsley, and a kid from Wimbledon who was deemed at the time to have potential. Our playoff final team contained a bloke released by Charlton, a left back from Lincoln City and a couple of freebies ditched by relegated Sheff Wednesday. We should go back to signing players from Monaco... Is it any wonder we're in the mess we're in given our best players have been signed from Borehamwood, MK Dongs subs bench, Barnsley and Wimbledon although I have no beef with Helik he's a good signing. |
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Sorba Thomas played at the same level. He was considered to be worth a punt. When he signed in the same window, Danny Grant was considered by many to be a better prospect than Sorba. He's gone back to Eire after failing to be anything more than a bit part player at Harrogate. Sometimes the punt is very well worth it. Sometimes not. But the idea that we shouldn't even be looking for players that have slipped under the radar is baffling. Especially with our budget. Our current best players came from Borehamwood, MK Dons (subs bench), Barnsley, and a kid from Wimbledon who was deemed at the time to have potential. Our playoff final team contained a bloke released by Charlton, a left back from Lincoln City and a couple of freebies ditched by relegated Sheff Wednesday. We should go back to signing players from Monaco... Is it any wonder we're in the mess we're in given our best players have been signed from Borehamwood, MK Dongs subs bench, Barnsley and Wimbledon although I have no beef with Helik he's a good signing. We should be signing players from top premier league and La Liga sides on top whack, who turn out to be average  |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 7, 2023 10:35:47 GMT 1
There are multiple players in the conference with far more ability than Hudlin. We only signed him because he was tall and hoped we might get lucky if he suddenly improved vastly with sustained full time training.
He has definitely got better but he's never going to be mobile enough for this level. He can hardly move hence Sorba being tasked with closing down the centre halves on Saturday when we didn't have the ball while Hudlin stood out wide
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 7, 2023 10:38:58 GMT 1
Though in fairness, wasn't he dropped because he wouldn't sign a new contract? Yes. Had 6 months left on his contract and wasn't going to re-sign, so they put him on the bench. This has been explained a thousand times, yet some just like to use it to degrade the club. Some also use it to explain that just because we sign someone from a lower level doesn't mean they're necessarily shit... Sometimes you can sign someone from a lower level and they turn out really well. Worth noting too, that MK Dons had two really good keepers at the time. That's the point I was making. (Also in response to htafcokay ) |
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 7, 2023 10:43:21 GMT 1
Sorba Thomas played at the same level. He was considered to be worth a punt. When he signed in the same window, Danny Grant was considered by many to be a better prospect than Sorba. He's gone back to Eire after failing to be anything more than a bit part player at Harrogate. Sometimes the punt is very well worth it. Sometimes not. But the idea that we shouldn't even be looking for players that have slipped under the radar is baffling. Especially with our budget. Our current best players came from Borehamwood, MK Dons (subs bench), Barnsley, and a kid from Wimbledon who was deemed at the time to have potential. Our playoff final team contained a bloke released by Charlton, a left back from Lincoln City and a couple of freebies ditched by relegated Sheff Wednesday. We should go back to signing players from Monaco... Is it any wonder we're in the mess we're in given our best players have been signed from Borehamwood, MK Dongs subs bench, Barnsley and Wimbledon although I have no beef with Helik he's a good signing. Remember when two of our worst players were signed from Monaco? One of them a Dutch International, no less. Our other players must have been brilliant to be streets ahead of them, right? |
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 7, 2023 10:46:18 GMT 1
Is it any wonder we're in the mess we're in given our best players have been signed from Borehamwood, MK Dongs subs bench, Barnsley and Wimbledon although I have no beef with Helik he's a good signing. We should be signing players from top premier league and La Liga sides on top whack, who turn out to be average If only the players we'd bought in 2018 had been average.... Anyone suggesting that Diabenza, Pritchard et al were average ought to raise their expectations... |
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 7, 2023 10:51:26 GMT 1
There are multiple players in the conference with far more ability than Hudlin. We only signed him because he was tall and hoped we might get lucky if he suddenly improved vastly with sustained full time training. He has definitely got better but he's never going to be mobile enough for this level. He can hardly move hence Sorba being tasked with closing down the centre halves on Saturday when we didn't have the ball while Hudlin stood out wide Any names? I appreciate this was only one game but a few weeks ago I watched a match between two of the sides chasing promotion from the National League. If Kyle Hudlin had been playing - on either side - he'd have absolutely taken the piss. EDIT: Fun Fact. Richard Stearman was playing for Solihull Moors that day. |
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Post by goodbet on Nov 7, 2023 10:52:36 GMT 1
We have had quite a few years now where we have poor transfer windows.
The usual scenario seems to be we sell any players we can get a few bob for and look around for a cheap young players to develop in to the squad.
This is how we have ended up where we are. The summer window where we got rid of anyone we could, even if there was no fee involved left us short of numbers did not help.
All this is why buying players from non league clubs seems to have been our "Hail Mary" shot (buy six hope we get one out of it).
This January we need Championship ready players if we want to avoid relegation, based on the summer window that appears to be just hope on my behalf rather than expectation.
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