Euro 2024

[Wingman]

Jul 14, 2024 22:18:51 GMT 1 Detective Boyle said:

After the dust settles on his time as manager, we will look back on his time with us as one of massive improvement compared to previous managers. Huge improvement. You can’t say it is successful because success on an international level is judged by silverware, anything else is tinpot, but he has strengthened us as a footballing nation.
Unfortunately, I do believe our ceiling is a semi final/runner up team as we do not have the technical footballing ability of the winning nations. Athleticism will get us so far but we will always fall short because of a lack of pure footballing ability. Until we change our grass roots philosophies we will always trail Spain etc.

We have changed the grassroots; our youth teams are extremely competitive at all levels.

I think there is another tournament in this squad, but it depends now on the manager, whoever that is.

What has disappointed me is the BBC coverage; slagging off the tactics, the manager, the players, and licking Spain’s nutsack. Get a fucking grip Richards, Ferdinand, Lineker.

As much as I didn’t expect us to progress so far, nor win the final, I do on reflection do think Southgate deserves major, major credit for what he has done to this team over the last eight years. I think that’s him done, but we should look at his time with a degree of gratitude.

Who takes over? I honestly don’t know but anyone saying Eddie Howe needs a kick in the head.

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Jul 14, 2024 22:18:51 GMT 1 Detective Boyle said:

After the dust settles on his time as manager, we will look back on his time with us as one of massive improvement compared to previous managers. Huge improvement. You can’t say it is successful because success on an international level is judged by silverware, anything else is tinpot, but he has strengthened us as a footballing nation.
Unfortunately, I do believe our ceiling is a semi final/runner up team as we do not have the technical footballing ability of the winning nations. Athleticism will get us so far but we will always fall short because of a lack of pure footballing ability. Until we change our grass roots philosophies we will always trail Spain etc.

Whaaaat? England would have won this Euros with an attack minded manager. Southgate’s legacy is one of missed opportunities and boring football.

[Made In Yorkshire]

This team needs Klopp.

[Baby Ate My Eight Ball]

Jul 14, 2024 22:44:04 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

Jul 14, 2024 22:18:51 GMT 1 Detective Boyle said:

After the dust settles on his time as manager, we will look back on his time with us as one of massive improvement compared to previous managers. Huge improvement. You can’t say it is successful because success on an international level is judged by silverware, anything else is tinpot, but he has strengthened us as a footballing nation.
Unfortunately, I do believe our ceiling is a semi final/runner up team as we do not have the technical footballing ability of the winning nations. Athleticism will get us so far but we will always fall short because of a lack of pure footballing ability. Until we change our grass roots philosophies we will always trail Spain etc.

Whaaaat? England would have won this Euros with an attack minded manager. Southgate’s legacy is one of missed opportunities and boring football.

Not sure about that, but we had one of the poorest tactical managers in the tourney and it showed.

[rockwall]

Jul 14, 2024 22:18:30 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

One bonus out of this debacle is that it's Southgate’s last game as England manager.

Is it though? The FA want him for the WC.

[rockwall]

Jul 14, 2024 22:44:17 GMT 1 Made In Yorkshire said:

This team needs Klopp.

Pep when he leaves City after this season.

[HuddsTerrier]

Southgate has been a good England manager but I feel we can do better. He’s just not got a trophy in him

Player for player England have some outstanding talent but we’re not a team. Take this tournament and time and again the difference is individual brilliance rather than any build up or coaching

Slovakia - Bellingham overhead kick from long throw
Swiss - saka shot from range
Netherlands- Watkins shot on the turn
Spain - palmer shot from range

Spain look to have patterns of play, press as a group, move with purpose and look a team who know there roles

Spain are a level ahead of everyone in Europe but I believe England can get there but I don’t think Southgate is tactically up to it and now carries too many scars

Thanks Gareth - and I really mean that - but new manager needed to take the next/ hardest step

Great manager for his time but we need new ideas now

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Jul 14, 2024 22:39:32 GMT 1 Wingman said:

Jul 14, 2024 22:18:51 GMT 1 Detective Boyle said:

After the dust settles on his time as manager, we will look back on his time with us as one of massive improvement compared to previous managers. Huge improvement. You can’t say it is successful because success on an international level is judged by silverware, anything else is tinpot, but he has strengthened us as a footballing nation.
Unfortunately, I do believe our ceiling is a semi final/runner up team as we do not have the technical footballing ability of the winning nations. Athleticism will get us so far but we will always fall short because of a lack of pure footballing ability. Until we change our grass roots philosophies we will always trail Spain etc.

We have changed the grassroots; our youth teams are extremely competitive at all levels.

I think there is another tournament in this squad, but it depends now on the manager, whoever that is.

What has disappointed me is the BBC coverage; slagging off the tactics, the manager, the players, and licking Spain’s nutsack. Get a fucking grip Richards, Ferdinand, Lineker.

As much as I didn’t expect us to progress so far, nor win the final, I do on reflection do think Southgate deserves major, major credit for what he has done to this team over the last eight years. I think that’s him done, but we should look at his time with a degree of gratitude.

Who takes over? I honestly don’t know but anyone saying Eddie Howe needs a kick in the head.

Thr manager and the tactics deserve slagging off. No one can honestly say that that squad of players don't have more than what they have shown in theses Euros with a better style of play. Jeez fuck me, these players win PL titles and CL on a regular basis but are asked to play a pedestrian, negative and risk averse style at international level, jog on Southgate.

[Christ in Shades (art)]

Jul 14, 2024 22:47:16 GMT 1 rockwall said:

Jul 14, 2024 22:18:30 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

One bonus out of this debacle is that it's Southgate’s last game as England manager.

Is it though? The FA want him for the WC.

He wants to do the decent thing and fall on his sword.

[Horney Barry]

We lost to a far superior team.

Southgate had the chance to go for it and bring Toney on at 1-1. But decided to sit back as per usual and aim for extra time.

Glad it’s over in away to focus on Michael Duffs 100 point championship winning season.

🍺⚽️🏆

[Wingman]

Jul 14, 2024 22:44:17 GMT 1 Made In Yorkshire said:

This team needs Klopp.

Can you imagine? Would be a fantastic appointment.

[Wingman]

Jul 14, 2024 22:50:04 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

Jul 14, 2024 22:47:16 GMT 1 rockwall said:

Is it though? The FA want him for the WC.

He wants to do the decent thing and fall on his sword.

I expect you’ll get your wish within the next week or two, certainly before the September qualifiers/Nations League fixtures.

[detox]

Just left feeling we never really utilised the talent we have in this squad. The safety first tactics stifled what ability we have.

Hopefully the next manager isn't a 'by the coaching manual' type.

[Terrier Ramone]

Jul 14, 2024 22:50:04 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

Jul 14, 2024 22:47:16 GMT 1 rockwall said:

Is it though? The FA want him for the WC.

He wants to do the decent thing and fall on his sword.

Couldn't agree more, however he is that risk averse he would have 2 ropes keeping him from falling & his sword would be made of plastic. Coupled with wearing gloves & safety goggles, there is little chance he would do any damage.

[E4b]

Same old story. Every time England come up against a top team Southgate’s negative tactics means we bottle it every time. He has denied England trophies over the years and this will never end. Warnock and Rocket would have done a better job and they wouldn’t be crying because Kalvin Phillips isn’t available!

[E4b]

Jul 14, 2024 22:50:04 GMT 1 Christ in Shades (art) said:

Jul 14, 2024 22:47:16 GMT 1 rockwall said:

Is it though? The FA want him for the WC.

He wants to do the decent thing and fall on his sword.

Arsehole first!

[28901]

I think it's the end for Southgate.
All those slagging him…
We had a surplus of great footballers in the 70s

Worthington
Bowles
Marsh
George
The list goes on
Hardly a cap between 'em.

And we failed to even qualify,.

Anyway I'm in a bar in Spain right now. Full of Spanish.
Lovely guys, shake my hand etc

[themanfromatlantis]

I doubt the FA will get any stick for this, but they’re as much to blame for England remaining in the doldrums.

Nothing new really, they bypassed Cloughie because they weren’t brave enough.

Will they go for broke, or pick another yes man?

But I agree in other parts, in that he’s been our most successful Mgr since Ramsey, stats speaking.

[Deleted]

Men against boys really,shame when you look at our great individual players

[terrierZed]

Jul 14, 2024 23:04:39 GMT 1 E4b said:

Same old story. Every time England come up against a top team Southgate’s negative tactics means we bottle it every time. He has denied England trophies over the years and this will never end. Warnock and Rocket would have done a better job and they wouldn’t be crying because Kalvin Phillips isn’t available!

And kalvin phillips was available!

[boon1984]

Jul 14, 2024 23:08:42 GMT 1 themanfromatlantis said:

I doubt the FA will get any stick for this, but they’re as much to blame for England remaining in the doldrums.

Nothing new really, they bypassed Cloughie because they weren’t brave enough.

Will they go for broke, or pick another yes man?

But I agree in other parts, in that he’s been our most successful Mgr since Ramsey, stats speaking.

Your doldrum threshold is quite high. Or low. If you see what I mean.

[detox]

Think Grealish would have been better tbh,at least he can hold the ball up,win free kicks, take the pressure off and actually run at players and supply decent passes..

In the end we were just zonal marking and Spain totally exploited that by simply filling all the gaps and passing round us.

That's the problem with text book coaches, all theory and no instinct.

[E4b]

Jul 14, 2024 23:15:44 GMT 1 terrierZed said:

Jul 14, 2024 23:04:39 GMT 1 E4b said:

Same old story. Every time England come up against a top team Southgate’s negative tactics means we bottle it every time. He has denied England trophies over the years and this will never end. Warnock and Rocket would have done a better job and they wouldn’t be crying because Kalvin Phillips isn’t available!

And kalvin phillips was available!

Wasn’t really available for international duty due to him being even more sh1tt1er than sh1t.

[bluetit]

Southgate poor management is a contributing factor to tonight’s defeat. In a tournament you have a squad he was reluctant to use it either by changing his team after they had already qualified in the group stage giving players a rest. Spain did. He also was reluctant to make substitutions during games meaning our outfield players spent more time on the pitch so got more tired I think with the number of substitutes allowed this shows a lack of faith in the squad players picked and over use of some. He also seems not to be ruthless enough to drop players who are not contributing to the team’s performance, we all know who the main beneficiaries of this are

[kimbo999]

Jul 14, 2024 23:08:42 GMT 1 themanfromatlantis said:

I doubt the FA will get any stick for this, but they’re as much to blame for England remaining in the doldrums.

Nothing new really, they bypassed Cloughie because they weren’t brave enough.

Will they go for broke, or pick another yes man?

But I agree in other parts, in that he’s been our most successful Mgr since Ramsey, stats speaking.

They did go a bit outside the box with big Sam who fkd it straight away with off field matters.
Southgate has done a lot of good for English football there is no denying that.
It's just he is tactically inept.
Don't think howe is the answer
What about klopp.

[golcarexile]

We didn't back ourselves to play through their press, something these players all do week in, week out for their clubs. Seeing Pickford hoof it long to nobody all game long was soul destroying. Who plays like that these days (Town aside!)? And don't get me started on Kane. Totally impotent. No, he was never going to drop him, but he should have, and that's one reason Southgate ultimately always fell short. Too afraid to make the selection and in-game tactical decisions that were needed. Got lucky with his subs in this tournament and but for 45 minutes against Holland, we were poor. Massive opportunity to win something missed, again.

[Convictatthemac]

Jul 14, 2024 22:33:47 GMT 1 Niggled said:

Jul 14, 2024 22:14:10 GMT 1 themanfromatlantis said:

We need a Venables type character to take this side forward.

I’ve not get enough brain cells to think who that might be.

Only man I can put forward is Tottenham s Aussie man. Posstegolue or whatever it is . Ange?

No chance Ange Postecoglou coaches England in the near future. He’s only just got the Spurs job, he’s managing where he wants to manage, in one of, if not the biggest club football competitions in the world.

Good suggestion because he would suit your team’s ability, but maybe a decade too early.

[Oblong of Dreams]

Jul 14, 2024 22:51:29 GMT 1 Horney Barry said:

We lost to a far superior team.

Southgate had the chance to go for it and bring Toney on at 1-1. But decided to sit back as per usual and aim for extra time.

Glad it’s over in away to focus on Michael Duffs 100 point championship winning season.

🍺⚽️🏆

The frustrating thing is, Spain aren't massively superior to us. They certainly performed to a superior level than us, but on paper there's little between the two.
Southgate got it wrong tactically today, just like he did in 2021.

[Amigo]

We've got to finals because of the players and individual moments not the manager. We've had incredibly lucky draws in tournaments and got beaten by every decent side we play.

World cup 2018 - beat Tunisia & Panama, lost to Belgium.
Beat Colombia on penalties, beat Sweden, lost to Croatia.

Euro 2020 (all at home) - beat Croatia, drew with Scotland, beat Czech Republic.
Beat Germany who'd just drawn with Hungary, Ukraine, Denmark aet, then lost to Italy.

World cup 2022 - beat Iran, drew with USA, beat Wales.
Beat Senegal, lost to France.

Euro 2024 - beat Serbia, drew with Denmark and Slovenia.
Beat Slovakia aet, beat Switzerland on pens, beat Holland, lost to Spain.

Best win out of that lot is probably the Holland win, a team that finished 3rd in the group stage. On the face of it 2 finals is good but when you look in to it with the players available we should have done better.

Who goes to a tournament with no fit left backs when you can pick 26 players?

Subs worked well because most of them should have been starting. The players seemed like they were playing with the brakes on. I really hope he goes, nothing personal against him he seems a lovely fella but a good manager could really get this squad flying. Having a manager that's still trying to figure out his best formation over half way through a tournament is not ideal or acceptable really.

Spain deserved to win the tournament, they were the best TEAM and could have won quite easily tonight with better finishing.

[arry11]

Jul 14, 2024 23:55:37 GMT 1 Oblong of Dreams said:

Jul 14, 2024 22:51:29 GMT 1 Horney Barry said:

We lost to a far superior team.

Southgate had the chance to go for it and bring Toney on at 1-1. But decided to sit back as per usual and aim for extra time.

Glad it’s over in away to focus on Michael Duffs 100 point championship winning season.

🍺⚽️🏆

The frustrating thing is, Spain aren't massively superior to us. They certainly performed to a superior level than us, but on paper there's little between the two.
Southgate got it wrong tactically today, just like he did in 2021.

They are streets ahead of us with the ball at there feet.