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Post by impact on Jul 15, 2024 0:04:19 GMT 1
We lost to a far superior team. Southgate had the chance to go for it and bring Toney on at 1-1. But decided to sit back as per usual and aim for extra time. Glad it’s over in away to focus on Michael Duffs 100 point championship winning season. 🍺⚽️🏆 A far superior team, but they didn't have far superior players. The issue all tournament has been that the sum of our whole has been less than the sum of our parts. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jul 15, 2024 0:12:49 GMT 1
Better team won on the night and throughout the tournament. Southgate shoehorned his favourites into a team but didn't use any of them properly, again on the night and throughout. Magnificent goal from Palmer, in the handful of minutes he's been given he has delivered the assist that got us to the final, and the equalising goal. Foden meanwhile..
Worth bearing in mind that as Spain scored the winner, Gallagher and Trippier were about to come on. We'd have lost regardless.
Southgate is a good man, he didn't squander the opportunities anywhere near as much as McClaren, Capello, or Sven. But nonetheless he's squandered the talents of the squad completely. Kane can't play like he did in 2018 anymore because he's not mobile enough. If he was called Enrique Kañez he'd have cleaned up with the quality of Spain's crossing, he scored 40 goals this season as a poaching number 9. Alexander Arnold nowhere because he's apparently not defensively good enough, yet the unimpeachable Walker contributed to both their goals. Desperate all tournament for a chalky boots left footer, and Gordon plays 3 minutes in total. Ben White, both the best English centre back and the best right back for my money, stays at home altogether because Steve Holland is a pillock. I could go on..
Looking forward to whoever takes on the job next, there's a tournament winning side in there for certain, and a very young side too. Imagine Mainoo, Bellingham, Saka, Palmer, Guehi, Wharton etc in a couple of years. The future's bright.
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Post by willo on Jul 15, 2024 0:13:26 GMT 1
Groundhog Day once again. Nothing will hurt for me so much as the semi final defeat at Italia 90 so far as the national team goes and I do go further back than that. 34 years on from then, it’s been like a tsunami of disappointment. But I feel we are getting close and just need a less cautious coach who can get the very best out of our players. Right now though, it feels like we’re forever just not quite good enough.
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Post by willo on Jul 15, 2024 0:16:53 GMT 1
Better team won on the night and throughout the tournament. Southgate shoehorned his favourites into a team but didn't use any of them properly, again on the night and throughout. Magnificent goal from Palmer, in the handful of minutes he's been given he has delivered the assist that got us to the final, and the equalising goal. Foden meanwhile.. Worth bearing in mind that as Spain scored the winner, Gallagher and Trippier were about to come on. We'd have lost regardless. Southgate is a good man, he didn't squander the opportunities anywhere near as much as McClaren, Capello, or Sven. But nonetheless he's squandered the talents of the squad completely. Kane can't play like he did in 2018 anymore because he's not mobile enough. If he was called Enrique Kañez he'd have cleaned up with the quality of Spain's crossing, he scored 40 goals this season as a poaching number 9. Alexander Arnold nowhere because he's apparently not defensively good enough, yet the unimpeachable Walker contributed to both their goals. Desperate all tournament for a chalky boots left footer, and Gordon plays 3 minutes in total. Ben White, both the best English centre back and the best right back for my money, stays at home altogether because Steve Holland is a pillock. I could go on.. Looking forward to whoever takes on the job next, there's a tournament winning side in there for certain, and a very young side too. Imagine Mainoo, Bellingham, Saka, Palmer, Guehi, Wharton etc in a couple of years. The future's bright. Your last line. How many times have we said that down the years and the future comes and goes and we’re still no further on? It’s so bloody frustrating. |
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Post by townarentbest on Jul 15, 2024 0:17:37 GMT 1
When you compare the two line ups based on club football you'd pick as many England players as Spain players. It's down to coaching and approach. This squad was good enough to win it but not with this manager and staff 100% Managed by a manager who hadn't even been qualified to be a manager during his one spell as a failed club manager, assisted by someone whose experience is a failure of a season managing Crewe nearly 20 years ago. Jimmy Flloyd on the bench who demonstrated utter cluelessness in the lower divisions as a coach. Martyn Margetson as keeper coach. None of them are winners. Michael Duff is more qualified and experienced 🤷♂️ They were safe....time to see what Pep can really do. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jul 15, 2024 0:27:04 GMT 1
Better team won on the night and throughout the tournament. Southgate shoehorned his favourites into a team but didn't use any of them properly, again on the night and throughout. Magnificent goal from Palmer, in the handful of minutes he's been given he has delivered the assist that got us to the final, and the equalising goal. Foden meanwhile.. Worth bearing in mind that as Spain scored the winner, Gallagher and Trippier were about to come on. We'd have lost regardless. Southgate is a good man, he didn't squander the opportunities anywhere near as much as McClaren, Capello, or Sven. But nonetheless he's squandered the talents of the squad completely. Kane can't play like he did in 2018 anymore because he's not mobile enough. If he was called Enrique Kañez he'd have cleaned up with the quality of Spain's crossing, he scored 40 goals this season as a poaching number 9. Alexander Arnold nowhere because he's apparently not defensively good enough, yet the unimpeachable Walker contributed to both their goals. Desperate all tournament for a chalky boots left footer, and Gordon plays 3 minutes in total. Ben White, both the best English centre back and the best right back for my money, stays at home altogether because Steve Holland is a pillock. I could go on.. Looking forward to whoever takes on the job next, there's a tournament winning side in there for certain, and a very young side too. Imagine Mainoo, Bellingham, Saka, Palmer, Guehi, Wharton etc in a couple of years. The future's bright. Your last line. How many times have we said that down the years and the future comes and goes and we’re still no further on? It’s so bloody frustrating. We are further on though. Even though it's another failure. Look at the England sides of 10-15 years ago and there really was a dearth of proper top level talent, there's now too much to fit into a team. Remember when jobbers like Glen Johnson and Adam Lallana were undroppable? I get the frustration but I don't think it's the same as when we thought Gerrard and Lampard might click with a bit more time playing together. |
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Post by townarentbest on Jul 15, 2024 0:34:21 GMT 1
Your last line. How many times have we said that down the years and the future comes and goes and we’re still no further on? It’s so bloody frustrating. We are further on though. Even though it's another failure. Look at the England sides of 10-15 years ago and there really was a dearth of proper top level talent, there's now too much to fit into a team. Remember when jobbers like Glen Johnson and Adam Lallana were undroppable? I get the frustration but I don't think it's the same as when we thought Gerrard and Lampard might click with a bit more time playing together. Have you seen Conor Gallaghar ?! Automatics like Rice not a patch on Lampard or Gerrard |
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Post by westislandterrier on Jul 15, 2024 0:39:04 GMT 1
He got a massive break on the 16th (I think). Shanked a shot in the rough and realised he was on a sprinkler head, re-took his second shot and got an eagle… Fate showing it’s hand there. Ridiculous rule. You're in the rough, face the consequences.Fair play to him though using it to his advantage I do especially on a Sunday when the footy season is on ! 🥺 🤮 (I just swallow a wee happy tab called Chloerfenime and it’s warm glow, sleep like a ba ba and the hangover is gone the next day, I use that to my advantage) ! 😊 |
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Post by westislandterrier on Jul 15, 2024 0:49:49 GMT 1
Well commiserations to all England fans on DATM...
A strange tournament in that no one really set the heather alight but Spain probably deserved to win on the night tonight -
But at least youse got to the final which isn’t too shabby to be honest...
It could be worse - youse could’ve been Scotland... 😬
Anyway - Now going forward it’s all hands to the pumps to roar The Mighty HTAFC back to The Championship as CHAMPIONS !!! 👍
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 15, 2024 6:25:05 GMT 1
Spain had more possession than last night in only one game, Georgia.
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Post by markthehorn on Jul 15, 2024 7:12:34 GMT 1
The frustrating thing is, Spain aren't massively superior to us. They certainly performed to a superior level than us, but on paper there's little between the two. Southgate got it wrong tactically today, just like he did in 2021. They are streets ahead of us with the ball at there feet. And the only team to really go for it all the time trying to score and press home their advantage or not just sit back if level. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Jul 15, 2024 8:07:53 GMT 1
We are further on though. Even though it's another failure. Look at the England sides of 10-15 years ago and there really was a dearth of proper top level talent, there's now too much to fit into a team. Remember when jobbers like Glen Johnson and Adam Lallana were undroppable? I get the frustration but I don't think it's the same as when we thought Gerrard and Lampard might click with a bit more time playing together. Have you seen Conor Gallaghar ?! Automatics like Rice not a patch on Lampard or Gerrard The team is always going to need a defensive midfielder or water carrier in it. I don't really get the hype with either of those players- kind of what I'm saying though is that we have enough depth of quality that the new manager isn't obliged to pick them in the way previous managers might've been. Mainoo is hopefully the long term candidate for that position anyway, he had a great tournament. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jul 15, 2024 8:09:00 GMT 1
I suspect the real success of Southgate’s tenure will be that the job will have gone from attracting Allardyce types to elite managers (I am sure with the current crop of young stars we have one of the big names/egos will now fancy having “I took football” home on their record) and for that he has been a success.
I’m not sure if it is because my team is town and no town players (whilst playing for town) have been anywhere near the England squad for a very long time and most likely wont be for a very long time. But it is club first for me any day and I see towns job of getting out of league 1 asap as far more important 🤷♂️
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Jul 15, 2024 8:28:07 GMT 1
Spain were head and shoulders above us. Deserved winners. England poor throughout the tournament, lived on moments but in general play we were dreadful. Hopefully Southgate’s last game. As Guy Mowbray said during his commentary "England are a moments team" unfortunately there wasn't another moment in them. Don't know where we go from here manager wise if we want to go with an English manager. |
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Post by ChelmsfordTerrier on Jul 15, 2024 8:43:03 GMT 1
Spain were head and shoulders above us. Deserved winners. England poor throughout the tournament, lived on moments but in general play we were dreadful. Hopefully Southgate’s last game. As Guy Mowbray said during his commentary "England are a moments team" unfortunately there wasn't another moment in them. Don't know where we go from here manager wise if we want to go with an English manager. Aslong as they are successful who cares about them being English other than the FA. Wagner wasn’t from Huddersfield and there weren’t many complaints. |
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Post by benhomly on Jul 15, 2024 8:43:25 GMT 1
Spain were head and shoulders above us. Deserved winners. England poor throughout the tournament, lived on moments but in general play we were dreadful. Hopefully Southgate’s last game. As Guy Mowbray said during his commentary "England are a moments team" unfortunately there wasn't another moment in them. Don't know where we go from here manager wise if we want to go with an English manager. It'll be Graham Potter and 4 more years of the same..... |
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Post by cyberman on Jul 15, 2024 8:49:27 GMT 1
Warnock and Jeppo - and England will have a pre season in Devon and Cornwall playing golf with "3 wood" Ward and Sorba as his caddy.
In fact Kane dropped Ward in !
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Post by Terriersmad on Jul 15, 2024 8:53:50 GMT 1
I suspect the real success of Southgate’s tenure will be that the job will have gone from attracting Allardyce types to elite managers (I am sure with the current crop of young stars we have one of the big names/egos will now fancy having “I took football” home on their record) and for that he has been a success. I’m not sure if it is because my team is town and no town players (whilst playing for town) have been anywhere near the England squad for a very long time and most likely wont be for a very long time. But it is club first for me any day and I see towns job of getting out of league 1 asap as far more important 🤷♂️ The question is whether the FA have the sense to realise this. Had this been at the conclusion of the Manchester City investigation, I’d be suggesting that the FA approached Guardiola. What else does he need to add to his CV, after all? A World Cup would be exactly the challenge he would fancy. But with that up in the air, probably not. |
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Post by incognito on Jul 15, 2024 8:54:23 GMT 1
After the dust settles on his time as manager, we will look back on his time with us as one of massive improvement compared to previous managers. Huge improvement. You can’t say it is successful because success on an international level is judged by silverware, anything else is tinpot, but he has strengthened us as a footballing nation. Unfortunately, I do believe our ceiling is a semi final/runner up team as we do not have the technical footballing ability of the winning nations. Athleticism will get us so far but we will always fall short because of a lack of pure footballing ability. Until we change our grass roots philosophies we will always trail Spain etc. What has disappointed me is the BBC coverage; slagging off the tactics, the manager, the players, and licking Spain’s nutsack. Get a fucking grip Richards, Ferdinand, Lineker. They've been all over the place this tournament. Their over-enthusiasm for England's first half performance against Switzerland was embarrassing, and an obvious editorial decision after all the fallout from the post-Denmark criticism. It's saying something that I was prepared to endure Matterface on ITV in order to avoid them. The first time in my life - when offered a choice between the two - that I've declined to go with the BBC. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Jul 15, 2024 9:08:13 GMT 1
Spain were head and shoulders above us. Deserved winners. England poor throughout the tournament, lived on moments but in general play we were dreadful. Hopefully Southgate’s last game. As Guy Mowbray said during his commentary "England are a moments team" unfortunately there wasn't another moment in them. Don't know where we go from here manager wise if we want to go with an English manager. Don’t like the bloke but I’d be chucking a wedge at Klopp, need someone who is an elite level tactician and who someone who knows how to win. If it’s another FA yes man then expect nothing different next time around. |
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Post by DuffMan on Jul 15, 2024 9:11:48 GMT 1
As Guy Mowbray said during his commentary "England are a moments team" unfortunately there wasn't another moment in them. Don't know where we go from here manager wise if we want to go with an English manager. Don’t like the bloke but I’d be chucking a wedge at Klopp, need someone who is an elite level tactician and who someone who knows how to win. If it’s another FA yes man then expect nothing different next time around. No chance we can attract that type of manager. Everyone knows it is a poisoned chalice and likely your last real big job unless you win the world cup. The options will be Lee Carsley, Graham Potter, Eddie Howe types |
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jul 15, 2024 9:12:15 GMT 1
What has disappointed me is the BBC coverage; slagging off the tactics, the manager, the players, and licking Spain’s nutsack. Get a fucking grip Richards, Ferdinand, Lineker. They've been all over the place this tournament. Their over-enthusiasm for England's first half performance against Switzerland was embarrassing, and an obvious editorial decision after all the fallout from the post-Denmark criticism. It's saying something that I was prepared to endure Matterface on ITV in order to avoid them. The first time in my life - when offered a choice between the two - that I've declined to go with the BBC. BBC for me for the simple reason that they were broadcasting in HDR. |
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Post by runner76 on Jul 15, 2024 9:14:14 GMT 1
As Guy Mowbray said during his commentary "England are a moments team" unfortunately there wasn't another moment in them. Don't know where we go from here manager wise if we want to go with an English manager. Don’t like the bloke but I’d be chucking a wedge at Klopp, need someone who is an elite level tactician and who someone who knows how to win. If it’s another FA yes man then expect nothing different next time around. Klopp or Pep, either will do |
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Post by DuffMan on Jul 15, 2024 9:14:31 GMT 1
I suspect the real success of Southgate’s tenure will be that the job will have gone from attracting Allardyce types to elite managers (I am sure with the current crop of young stars we have one of the big names/egos will now fancy having “I took football” home on their record) and for that he has been a success. I’m not sure if it is because my team is town and no town players (whilst playing for town) have been anywhere near the England squad for a very long time and most likely wont be for a very long time. But it is club first for me any day and I see towns job of getting out of league 1 asap as far more important 🤷♂️ His success has been getting a group of players to have a club like mentality and finding a way to drag us through tournaments despite he and his staff having zero tactical nouse. I'd say the opposite on attracting managers, they will look at it and say "2 euro finals in a row and he's vilified you can't win" |
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Post by bogart on Jul 15, 2024 9:16:50 GMT 1
Hindsight is wonderful but the problem is in a fair few instances it was not needed. Yesterday evening Kane should not have started never mind be given 60 minutes. Toney coming on with 2 minutes to go , a masterpiece of a move.
ITV were praising Southgate for taking Kane off. My dog could have seen he was a waste of space and time, in fact has been throughout the tournement. Not just him alone others were way below par, Foden and Bellingham to name just two.
I just hope we have an alternative in place come the World Cup.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 15, 2024 9:21:34 GMT 1
Poor game in which Spain were average and we were below average, hence a one goal difference.
Spain did spend longer in it actively trying to win so fair enough.
Another opportunity spurned on the altar of trying to do just enough for just long enough. We even failed to take it on after equalising and them looking quite vunerable.
6 insipid performances with the odd bit of unscripted inspiration ends up as another tournament where we under achieve just enough in one game to lose.
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Post by detox on Jul 15, 2024 9:27:36 GMT 1
I suspect the real success of Southgate’s tenure will be that the job will have gone from attracting Allardyce types to elite managers (I am sure with the current crop of young stars we have one of the big names/egos will now fancy having “I took football” home on their record) and for that he has been a success. I’m not sure if it is because my team is town and no town players (whilst playing for town) have been anywhere near the England squad for a very long time and most likely wont be for a very long time. But it is club first for me any day and I see towns job of getting out of league 1 asap as far more important 🤷♂️ The question is whether the FA have the sense to realise this. Had this been at the conclusion of the Manchester City investigation, I’d be suggesting that the FA approached Guardiola. What else does he need to add to his CV, after all? A World Cup would be exactly the challenge he would fancy. But with that up in the air, probably not. I'm not sure any financial misconduct at City would be Peps' fault tbh. These decisions are made at board level, and Pep likely wouldn't know anything about them. He was interviewed a year or so ago about this as to what he would do if the club were found guilty ..he said he'd be very disappointed if these allegations were true and he'd have to think about it .... and his future. |
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Post by townarentbest on Jul 15, 2024 9:38:49 GMT 1
They are streets ahead of us with the ball at there feet. And the only team to really go for it all the time trying to score and press home their advantage or not just sit back if level. I think you can add Turkey to that. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 15, 2024 9:46:48 GMT 1
Poor game in which Spain were average and we were below average, hence a one goal difference. Spain did spend longer in it actively trying to win so fair enough. Another opportunity spurned on the altar of trying to do just enough for just long enough. We even failed to take it on after equalising and them looking quite vunerable. 6 insipid performances with the odd bit of unscripted inspiration ends up as another tournament where we under achieve just enough in one game to lose. I was a bit mystified as to why we didn't seize the iniative after the equaliser and go on and win the game? |
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Post by kimbo999 on Jul 15, 2024 9:52:45 GMT 1
We are just not as good as the media make us out to be.
Too many players over hyped and shoehorned in and then left on when clearly out of their depth.
Couple that with God awful tactics.
When will we learn.
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