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Post by runner76 on Dec 19, 2023 11:03:50 GMT 1
Who in their right minds would want to come to a club that's stinking out the division with ultra negative tactics? We're getting a big reputation as an anti-football club. Club with proud and strong history, decent ground, recent experience in Premier League, rich owner and club that is looking to invest with a plan to get to the Premier League, a manager well respected and liked in the game who has a decent track record at other clubs, well located between major cities of Manchester and Leeds........should be more attractive than plenty of other places....
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Post by crux on Dec 19, 2023 11:10:52 GMT 1
Who in their right minds would want to come to a club that's stinking out the division with ultra negative tactics? We're getting a big reputation as an anti-football club. Club with proud and strong history, decent ground, recent experience in Premier League, rich owner and club that is looking to invest with a plan to get to the Premier League, a manager well respected and liked in the game who has a decent track record at other clubs, well located between major cities of Manchester and Leeds........should be more attractive than plenty of other places.... Plus, if you can pass the ball to a teammate you're pretty much guaranteed to be selected every week 😉
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Post by runner76 on Dec 19, 2023 11:12:53 GMT 1
Club with proud and strong history, decent ground, recent experience in Premier League, rich owner and club that is looking to invest with a plan to get to the Premier League, a manager well respected and liked in the game who has a decent track record at other clubs, well located between major cities of Manchester and Leeds........should be more attractive than plenty of other places.... Plus, if you can pass the ball to a teammate you're pretty much guaranteed to be selected every week 😉 Exactly. Come along and be a legend.
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Post by mosher on Dec 19, 2023 12:09:52 GMT 1
Last time I looked at this thread it was 20-odd pages long
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Dec 19, 2023 14:03:04 GMT 1
New interview with Mark Cartwright out on We Are Terriers. www.weareterriers.com/p/mark-cartwright-huddersfield-transfer-window?r=30xvif&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=webKey takeaways - working on targets, possible permanent deals, some loan with permanent options. We don't need to sell, but it may make sense to get return on some players with contracts running out (Diarra, REG, Ayina and Hogg were mentioned by Chicken). Cartwright mentioned that we've looked abroad and this is an option we are pursuing. Also discussed bringing players back from loan - said it's an option but seemed to suggest was unlikely. Also looking at summer deals - particularly players at other clubs who will be available out of contract.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Dec 19, 2023 16:49:59 GMT 1
New interview with Mark Cartwright out on We Are Terriers. www.weareterriers.com/p/mark-cartwright-huddersfield-transfer-window?r=30xvif&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=webKey takeaways - working on targets, possible permanent deals, some loan with permanent options. We don't need to sell, but it may make sense to get return on some players with contracts running out (Diarra, REG, Ayina and Hogg were mentioned by Chicken). Cartwright mentioned that we've looked abroad and this is an option we are pursuing. Also discussed bringing players back from loan - said it's an option but seemed to suggest was unlikely. Also looking at summer deals - particularly players at other clubs who will be available out of contract. Hopefully it's just the way you've phrased it, but it sounds like he's positioning this as some kind of revolutionary approach to football scouting - "this is an option we are pursuing", I should bloody well hope so!
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Dec 19, 2023 16:52:07 GMT 1
New interview with Mark Cartwright out on We Are Terriers. www.weareterriers.com/p/mark-cartwright-huddersfield-transfer-window?r=30xvif&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=webKey takeaways - working on targets, possible permanent deals, some loan with permanent options. We don't need to sell, but it may make sense to get return on some players with contracts running out (Diarra, REG, Ayina and Hogg were mentioned by Chicken). Cartwright mentioned that we've looked abroad and this is an option we are pursuing. Also discussed bringing players back from loan - said it's an option but seemed to suggest was unlikely. Also looking at summer deals - particularly players at other clubs who will be available out of contract. Hopefully it's just the way you've phrased it, but it sounds like he's positioning this as some kind of revolutionary approach to football scouting - "this is an option we are pursuing", I should bloody well hope so! It's just how I phrased it...
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Dec 19, 2023 17:18:19 GMT 1
Huge window for Cartwright. I suspect he’s not that good (mainly on the fact he brought Edwards in) but hope I’m wrong.
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Post by rockwall on Dec 19, 2023 18:26:03 GMT 1
Huge window for Cartwright. I suspect he’s not that good (mainly on the fact he brought Edwards in) but hope I’m wrong. Edwards was wanted by Rocket Ron apparently...
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Post by Tiro on Dec 19, 2023 19:15:56 GMT 1
Huge window for Cartwright. I suspect he’s not that good (mainly on the fact he brought Edwards in) but hope I’m wrong. Cartwright had little influence on the last window: Warnock controlled it. Which was part of the issue.
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Post by daveswithy1982 on Dec 19, 2023 19:28:02 GMT 1
Jaheim Headley interesting a few other championship clubs and he's keen on a move according to someone with very close ties to town - Millwall reportedly one of them!
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Post by willo on Dec 20, 2023 2:28:47 GMT 1
Huge window for Cartwright. I suspect he’s not that good (mainly on the fact he brought Edwards in) but hope I’m wrong. Cartwright had little influence on the last window: Warnock controlled it. Which was part of the issue. Call me old fashioned but I’d prefer the guy that is tasked with the job of coaching and managing the players to at least have a say as to which players come in, and ideally the final decision.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Dec 20, 2023 9:45:19 GMT 1
Cartwright had little influence on the last window: Warnock controlled it. Which was part of the issue. Call me old fashioned but I’d prefer the guy that is tasked with the job of coaching and managing the players to at least have a say as to which players come in, and ideally the final decision. Everyone would agree with that - however, there's a difference between "having a say in it" and "controlling it".
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Post by dm on Dec 20, 2023 9:54:42 GMT 1
Jaheim Headley interesting a few other championship clubs and he's keen on a move according to someone with very close ties to town - Millwall reportedly one of them! From London, used to be in Millwall's youth set up. Maybe there was a culture shock when he emigrated from the south.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2023 10:33:30 GMT 1
Absolutely no reason why we shouldn't have players through the door 1st January. They've had months (Years actually) to identify the players that first 11 and squad are missing. The search shouldn't begin in december and hope to get a few over the line in January - they should be ready to join 1st Jan and fulfil the fixtures in Jan. People are being paid very well to do this job. On day 1 we might have to pay £3.0M for a £1.0M player. Are you happy for us to do that? What a weird comment, why would a player worth 1.0m be asking 3.0m? Even at the end of the window i doubt there's a 300% mark up. The January value thing is a myth. Look at the business we did bringing in Izzy to get us over the line in the promotion year; there's hungry players out there if our network and budget is at the required level. To humour you and answer your question - Yes, I would buy the 1.0m player for 3.0m on January 1st if he was the difference between us being in the Championship or being relegated and losing 6m+ of income pa.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2023 10:34:41 GMT 1
Absolutely no reason why we shouldn't have players through the door 1st January. They've had months (Years actually) to identify the players that first 11 and squad are missing. The search shouldn't begin in december and hope to get a few over the line in January - they should be ready to join 1st Jan and fulfil the fixtures in Jan. People are being paid very well to do this job. Great idea that, maybe you should email the club with this insight. It's a wonder all clubs don't think to do this to be honest. I'm glad you can see the funny side of it, when ironically the club hasn't been prepared for a transfer window for half a decade!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2023 10:46:44 GMT 1
I actually think we have a lot of sellable assets all of a sudden again, though I hope we don't cash in without replacing them properly this time round.
I look at Sheff Weds/Rotherhams side and wouldn't really have any of their 11 in ours, our 11 isn't anywhere near as bad as theirs.
Outside Leicester, Leeds, Saints - I think the below would make any championship 11 better:
Nicholls Helik Sorba
Rudoni could reach the above tier if he continues his form this season.
I think Headley has huge potential, he has all the modern day attributes of a modern full back.
Diara I think is garbage but could thrive overseas.
We have a decent core but need to replace hogg properly, replace Mooy, 2 proper strikers and a RB.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Dec 20, 2023 10:47:43 GMT 1
Cartwright had little influence on the last window: Warnock controlled it. Which was part of the issue. Call me old fashioned but I’d prefer the guy that is tasked with the job of coaching and managing the players to at least have a say as to which players come in, and ideally the final decision. Even when the manager is a short term fix? If Warnock ‘controlled’ the window it didn’t go very well did it? Would love to know what happened with the striker situation. I presume we let Rhodes go because we were convinced we were buying a replacement and that replacement jilted us.
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Post by willo on Dec 20, 2023 12:05:03 GMT 1
Call me old fashioned but I’d prefer the guy that is tasked with the job of coaching and managing the players to at least have a say as to which players come in, and ideally the final decision. Even when the manager is a short term fix? If Warnock ‘controlled’ the window it didn’t go very well did it? Would love to know what happened with the striker situation. I presume we let Rhodes go because we were convinced we were buying a replacement and that replacement jilted us. He “controlled” a window in which we spent virtually nothing and brought virtually nobody new in. Some “control”.
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Post by goodbet on Dec 20, 2023 12:42:44 GMT 1
Huge window for Cartwright. I suspect he’s not that good (mainly on the fact he brought Edwards in) but hope I’m wrong. Cartwright had little influence on the last window: Warnock controlled it. Which was part of the issue. KN employs someone to do a job and when the results of the summer window is crap we find out Cartwright is washing his hands of any involvement. These so called leaks comming out of the club blaming Warnock for everything just does not ring true. He was at the club and would have had an involvement but those left had a hand in this as well.
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Post by schindlersmissed on Dec 20, 2023 12:44:30 GMT 1
I actually think we have a lot of sellable assets all of a sudden again, though I hope we don't cash in without replacing them properly this time round. I look at Sheff Weds/Rotherhams side and wouldn't really have any of their 11 in ours, our 11 isn't anywhere near as bad as theirs. Outside Leicester, Leeds, Saints - I think the below would make any championship 11 better: Nicholls Helik Sorba Rudoni could reach the above tier if he continues his form this season. I think Headley has huge potential, he has all the modern day attributes of a modern full back. Diara I think is garbage but could thrive overseas. We have a decent core but need to replace hogg properly, replace Mooy, 2 proper strikers and a RB. He might have when he develops the ability to actually defend!
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Dec 20, 2023 14:03:59 GMT 1
Even when the manager is a short term fix? If Warnock ‘controlled’ the window it didn’t go very well did it? Would love to know what happened with the striker situation. I presume we let Rhodes go because we were convinced we were buying a replacement and that replacement jilted us. He “controlled” a window in which we spent virtually nothing and brought virtually nobody new in. Some “control”. I perhaps should have emphasised IF when saying if Warnock took control. Not saying he did or didn’t, would imagine there’s a few perspectives on it. I’d say it’s clear to me that plenty went on and we appeared to have been snubbed/turned down by some. I’d imagine wages would’ve been an issue - people at the time suggested Warnock was as well (not sure on the details of why). But giving a short term manager veto/decision making powers on signings when he wasn’t going to be here long term was one of the draw backs of getting Warnock back in for another year. We would’ve offered an uncertain future and probably poorer prospects on the pitch.
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Post by basil on Dec 20, 2023 19:01:12 GMT 1
On day 1 we might have to pay £3.0M for a £1.0M player. Are you happy for us to do that? What a weird comment, why would a player worth 1.0m be asking 3.0m? Even at the end of the window i doubt there's a 300% mark up. The January value thing is a myth. Look at the business we did bringing in Izzy to get us over the line in the promotion year; there's hungry players out there if our network and budget is at the required level. To humour you and answer your question - Yes, I would buy the 1.0m player for 3.0m on January 1st if he was the difference between us being in the Championship or being relegated and losing 6m+ of income pa. In the real world, a seller will quote high and a buyer will offer low. These conflicting objectives tend to make day 1 agreement difficult. Of course, if you're spunking someone elses millions, then the problems melt away.....
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Post by Tiro on Dec 20, 2023 20:55:54 GMT 1
Cartwright had little influence on the last window: Warnock controlled it. Which was part of the issue. Call me old fashioned but I’d prefer the guy that is tasked with the job of coaching and managing the players to at least have a say as to which players come in, and ideally the final decision. So you’re happy with the Jan business Warnock conducted then?
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Post by Tiro on Dec 20, 2023 20:58:43 GMT 1
Cartwright had little influence on the last window: Warnock controlled it. Which was part of the issue. KN employs someone to do a job and when the results of the summer window is crap we find out Cartwright is washing his hands of any involvement. These so called leaks comming out of the club blaming Warnock for everything just does not ring true. He was at the club and would have had an involvement but those left had a hand in this as well. It is true - it did happen. Warnock even said in an interview he wouldn’t take on the role unless he was given full control of recruitment and he even went as far as saying that was happening, in interview. And Cartwright alludes to it. They identified players, but Warnock drafted his own list. Players ‘he could trust’. His ‘type’. To paraphrase him. He wanted to conduct contract negotiations. Which was fun. The error on the standing teams part was agreeing to this level of control. It went far beyond what they had anticipated. They didn’t expect Warnock to ride roughshod over them and to be so combative - especially in a temporary role. But Lord Warnock thought he knew best. However the game and business has moved on. teams in demand expect more; detailed plans drawn up, tactics and roles explained. Remember Bromby talking about signing some of the players with Carlos? It was error of judgement on both parts because Warnock overestimated his own name and clubs and players were put off by his persona and his reputation. There were also players that Warnock didn’t feel were worth the cash, even though the club was willing to spend it. He was high on his own success and king of the club. He could do anything - he was untouchable. And he thought the new owners knew nothing. It was a fatal error, one which would contribute to his downfall coming much sooner than he had anticipated. He had lost sight of his purpose and by the time he had shown / communicated he was tired and maybe shouldn’t have signed up to another year, during the international break, they stepped up. Some folks will just never hear a bad word said of Colin. And that doesn’t mean DM is a yes man. He’s just willing to work with the system and allow others to do their jobs.
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Post by diakhabydaily on Dec 21, 2023 0:06:37 GMT 1
KN employs someone to do a job and when the results of the summer window is crap we find out Cartwright is washing his hands of any involvement. These so called leaks comming out of the club blaming Warnock for everything just does not ring true. He was at the club and would have had an involvement but those left had a hand in this as well. It is true - it did happen. Warnock even said in an interview he wouldn’t take on the role unless he was given full control of recruitment and he even went as far as saying that was happening, in interview. And Cartwright alludes to it. They identified players, but Warnock drafted his own list. Players ‘he could trust’. His ‘type’. To paraphrase him. He wanted to conduct contract negotiations. Which was fun. The error on the standing teams part was agreeing to this level of control. It went far beyond what they had anticipated. They didn’t expect Warnock to ride roughshod over them and to be so combative - especially in a temporary role. But Lord Warnock thought he knew best. However the game and business has moved on. teams in demand expect more; detailed plans drawn up, tactics and roles explained. Remember Bromby talking about signing some of the players with Carlos? It was error of judgement on both parts because Warnock overestimated his own name and clubs and players were put off by his persona and his reputation. There were also players that Warnock didn’t feel were worth the cash, even though the club was willing to spend it. He was high on his own success and king of the club. He could do anything - he was untouchable. And he thought the new owners knew nothing. It was a fatal error, one which would contribute to his downfall coming much sooner than he had anticipated. He had lost sight of his purpose and by the time he had shown / communicated he was tired and maybe shouldn’t have signed up to another year, during the international break, they stepped up. Some folks will just never hear a bad word said of Colin. And that doesn’t mean DM is a yes man. He’s just willing to work with the system and allow others to do their jobs. Wow...how is it fantasy land at the moment? What a load of codswallop. You have embellished this beyond belief.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 21, 2023 2:37:01 GMT 1
Call me old fashioned but I’d prefer the guy that is tasked with the job of coaching and managing the players to at least have a say as to which players come in, and ideally the final decision. Everyone would agree with that - however, there's a difference between "having a say in it" and "controlling it". OK, the bloke managing the team should "control it", not some bloke in the background.
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 21, 2023 2:41:50 GMT 1
Call me old fashioned but I’d prefer the guy that is tasked with the job of coaching and managing the players to at least have a say as to which players come in, and ideally the final decision. So you’re happy with the Jan business Warnock conducted then? Which Jan business did he conduct ? The one before he got the job or the one after he left ?
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 21, 2023 2:44:05 GMT 1
KN employs someone to do a job and when the results of the summer window is crap we find out Cartwright is washing his hands of any involvement. These so called leaks comming out of the club blaming Warnock for everything just does not ring true. He was at the club and would have had an involvement but those left had a hand in this as well. It is true - it did happen. Warnock even said in an interview he wouldn’t take on the role unless he was given full control of recruitment and he even went as far as saying that was happening, in interview. And Cartwright alludes to it. They identified players, but Warnock drafted his own list. Players ‘he could trust’. His ‘type’. To paraphrase him. He wanted to conduct contract negotiations. Which was fun. The error on the standing teams part was agreeing to this level of control. It went far beyond what they had anticipated. They didn’t expect Warnock to ride roughshod over them and to be so combative - especially in a temporary role. But Lord Warnock thought he knew best. However the game and business has moved on. teams in demand expect more; detailed plans drawn up, tactics and roles explained. Remember Bromby talking about signing some of the players with Carlos? It was error of judgement on both parts because Warnock overestimated his own name and clubs and players were put off by his persona and his reputation. There were also players that Warnock didn’t feel were worth the cash, even though the club was willing to spend it. He was high on his own success and king of the club. He could do anything - he was untouchable. And he thought the new owners knew nothing. It was a fatal error, one which would contribute to his downfall coming much sooner than he had anticipated. He had lost sight of his purpose and by the time he had shown / communicated he was tired and maybe shouldn’t have signed up to another year, during the international break, they stepped up. Some folks will just never hear a bad word said of Colin. And that doesn’t mean DM is a yes man. He’s just willing to work with the system and allow others to do their jobs. The most successful EFL manager ever 🤔
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Dec 21, 2023 8:34:40 GMT 1
Everyone would agree with that - however, there's a difference between "having a say in it" and "controlling it". OK, the bloke managing the team should "control it", not some bloke in the background. Went well didn't it - a decent backup keeper, 3 out of contract players who must have thought Christmas has come early and a fat lad who Stoke didn't want.
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