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Post by deo1 on Nov 30, 2023 14:05:20 GMT 1
From what I’ve seen of Moores town team so far I’ve been less than impressed. The last 2 games he’s got tactically spot on and the Ipswich game was a great 90 minute performance which we should’ve got 3 points from and kicked on. Other than these 3 decent performances the rest have been abysmal apart from a 15 minute spell against QPR. I’m now hoping that town and Moore have turned a corner, with more players coming back from injury to go with what should be a quite busy January transfer window positive results will hopefully follow these last 2 results and this could prove pivotal for our season and where we end up come May. Also what I’ve noticed from Moore’s pre and post match press conferences since the international break is that he’s talking more openly and honest instead of the rubbish he’s been spouting previously. This gives me more confidence going forward with him in charge as he’s seeing the flaws in towns performances and not glossing them over anymore as some of his comments have been laughable. Onwards and upwards. . You missed the second half at Coventry ? Probably due to the fact we’ve been that bad since he came in bar a few minutes here and there 😂😂😂 |
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 30, 2023 14:07:33 GMT 1
Town fans rewrite history to suit whatever agenda they have at the time. Like Carlos being poor 🤔😉😁 I just said he was a c**t. That's not rewriting anything. |
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Post by King Neil on Nov 30, 2023 14:29:10 GMT 1
Like Carlos being poor 🤔😉😁 I just said he was a c**t. That's not rewriting anything. Carlos..puta madre Has won anything yet??...despite him joining a club with ambition(his own words) |
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Post by mosher on Nov 30, 2023 15:43:20 GMT 1
Like Carlos being poor 🤔😉😁 I just said he was a c**t. That's not rewriting anything. It's like getting to third means the football HAD to be sparkling champagne Barca type football and any other description of the style of football is disingenuous at best. It was turgid and his tactics and man-management in the PO final were abysmal. I partly hold DH to blame for not backing him, but the guy was a twat for leaving the way (and at the time) he did. |
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Post by ldotm on Nov 30, 2023 15:44:33 GMT 1
He’s a twat but he’s a good manager
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Post by htafcokay on Nov 30, 2023 15:52:32 GMT 1
I just said he was a c**t. That's not rewriting anything. It's like getting to third means the football HAD to be sparkling champagne Barca type football and any other description of the style of football is disingenuous at best. It was turgid and his tactics and man-management in the PO final were abysmal.I partly hold DH to blame for not backing him, but the guy was a twat for leaving the way (and at the time) he did. Oh, I hope you've got your tin hat ready... |
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Post by mosher on Nov 30, 2023 16:04:46 GMT 1
It's like getting to third means the football HAD to be sparkling champagne Barca type football and any other description of the style of football is disingenuous at best. It was turgid and his tactics and man-management in the PO final were abysmal.I partly hold DH to blame for not backing him, but the guy was a twat for leaving the way (and at the time) he did. Oh, I hope you've got your tin hat ready... Thought I'd give them someone else to aim at other than you  |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Nov 30, 2023 16:55:19 GMT 1
He was understandably cautious at first with the players available but has changed things as soon as he could. I was behind Darren Moore from the start (went to his first game unlike the majority). I was (& still would be if asked) critical of the removal of Warnock when we did & don't accept at all the theory the organisation had little choice. The only point I became critical of DM was when he adopted tactics I regard as an anti football, abject, mind-numbingly painful to watch and (perhaps most importantly) likely to be unsuccessful (as they were). The points we've gained in the last two games were I believe (and would be interested in a counter argument) achieved because he ditched those tactics. I do not believe for a pico second he had to adopt those tactics and he changed things as soon as he could. Well done for the last 135 minutes but Please never ever EVER subject us to anything like the previous 135 minutes (with their 0.1 total Xg) again.PS Pete, you've spent a fair proportion of the time since Hull stating we had litle choice but to play that way or we'd get stuffed. You must have been apoplectic and fearful for the worse when we changed tack last night as you believed so strongly DM was previosly right. Personally, I cheered up and put money on us at 11/2. It perhaps seems I've more confidence in those players than you (or DM). Hi Andy Not too sure why I merited a personal dig but I'm feeling and embracing the love. 'Pico' was a new word for me but they say you learn something new every day. I say well done you and keep that confidence going |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Dec 2, 2023 20:12:02 GMT 1
How many games before you commit? 3,6,9,12?
Forget the wasted money from our PL days.This is a truly new beginning with a new owner that seems sound. He is going to back DM, are we? I'm in
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Dec 2, 2023 22:37:54 GMT 1
Thanks for the PMs. That's 3 of us. Anyone else dare to commit?
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 2, 2023 22:44:14 GMT 1
How many games before you commit? 3,6,9,12? Forget the wasted money from our PL days.This is a truly new beginning with a new owner that seems sound. He is going to back DM, are we? I'm in Not yet. He's got them working for him which is a good sign but parking the bus unable to string 3 passes together is hardly the sign of a top coach. I'll reserve judgement until he has a full squad to pick from and hopefully a little bit more quality added in January |
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Post by nicovaesen on Dec 2, 2023 23:11:29 GMT 1
Bollocks we just got a point away at Barca not a club struggling on the same pints as us in the same league
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Post by Big Ern on Dec 2, 2023 23:21:46 GMT 1
Bollocks we just got a point away at Barca not a club struggling on the same pints as us in the same league We did get an away point though, after an away 3 points. Isn't that good enough for you? |
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Post by cuz on Dec 2, 2023 23:32:55 GMT 1
Bollocks we just got a point away at Barca not a club struggling on the same pints as us in the same league We did get an away point though, after an away 3 points. Isn't that good enough for you? No chance - Moore out! |
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 2, 2023 23:36:34 GMT 1
Bollocks we just got a point away at Barca not a club struggling on the same pints as us in the same league We did get an away point though, after an away 3 points. Isn't that good enough for you? I’m not sure what folk expect. A weak squad with huge injury problems and were getting great points on the table. 5 points in a week. Forget about performances for a while and keep picking up vital points. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Dec 3, 2023 8:53:14 GMT 1
I’m sure DM would love us to be more on the front foot. We don’t have the quality to do it. That will come if he gets the players. January may come too soon but we will see how he is backed.
Although the football was awful attacking wise, I have to admire the way he has them so drilled into that defensive shape.
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Post by dezzly on Dec 3, 2023 9:39:50 GMT 1
I’m sure DM would love us to be more on the front foot. We don’t have the quality to do it. That will come if he gets the players. January may come too soon but we will see how he is backed. Although the football was awful attacking wise, I have to admire the way he has them so drilled into that defensive shape. I think you’re right to an extent.Warnock had us on the front foot(in certain games not all).He did tend to in most games be more defensive first half and more attacking second also and we played more man for man not in a set shape as such.We can be more front foot but it would mean going full warnock and basically completely bypassing the midfield,I don’t think Moore wants to do that as he won’t want to go completely away from his principles,think he likes to build out from the back. I think to be more front foot with how he would like to play football yes we need the players. Whilst I think we most definitely need greater quality I do think just having a few more players more suited to more of a possession game than counter attacking would also greatly help him to play how he wants. |
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Post by ronaldinio on Dec 3, 2023 10:29:27 GMT 1
I’m sure DM would love us to be more on the front foot. We don’t have the quality to do it. That will come if he gets the players. January may come too soon but we will see how he is backed. Although the football was awful attacking wise, I have to admire the way he has them so drilled into that defensive shape. I promised myself not to look on DATM as I knew there would be a dirge of expert town fans wanting DM out and not happy at all of our 5 from 9 (one home and two away fixtures) haul BUT having being one of the few hundred who braved yesterday, being high up behind a goal on this occasion helps you view our shape so much better than side on. Any coach can only do so much with what he has, our cloth for now has been cut, our footballing abilities and brains on the field is lacking …..fact. Our players are at least starting to gel but without naming names we have weak chinks in our chain, we have an older group where fitness will be key but Swansea are a better squad underperforming, we are probably a weak squad slightly over performing. My only gripe and all fans are of course allowed them if relevant and not personal (or vile bullying) was that a change for Koroma and Zorgy and replacing Headley and Ward could have been made slightly earlier (and Ward put a mature lone man shift in holding the ball and feed passing, good shift indeed) Overall we are starting to look settled, spend 75% of our time looking organised, yes still make silly mistakes and a foul throw at this level is terrible but….and a huge but…we are starting to look as though survival is on the cards and the game DM wants to bring to us will gather pace. Players will start to look at Town as a team for a loan spell, or join, and want to wear the shirt with pride. Ps… if we’d kept on attacking rather than trying to waste time we’d have won, but we didn’t and would a point at the start been offered I’d have ripped your arm off. The areas we need to improve on will come, confidence is clearly growing, fans should be happpy(ier) where improvements are happening with what he has. Supporting DM : UTT |
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Post by philstarbuckscoffee on Dec 3, 2023 10:34:08 GMT 1
Moore hasn’t got me excited at any point so far and I was gutted to lose Colin. However, although really flat about where we stand currently I’ve got to stay in the fence due to this squad.
I’m really unsure about the level of our squad. By no means do I think they are a top 6 team underperforming but can’t help but think we are just devoid of a bit of class.
It easy to say something along the lines of drop in Aaron Mooy into this team and it would be a completely different proposition. Mooy was probably the best player I’ve ever seen at Town, but the point is there, a player able to dictate play, speed it up and slow it down would elevate those around him.
Similarly a proper CF like Kieffer Moore would transform our threat. We regularly deliver crosses into the box but someone like that would give us a target and open up more opportunities for the likes of JK, Rudoni or Della buzzing off them.
Again, players like that cost money, but 2 or 3 signings that strengthen the 1st 11 and we are watching a much better proposition.
It is no surprise that the teams at the Top end of the championship every year often are ones that get some PL loans just right. We signed none this summer. We could do with some of that quality and someone looking to impress on loan.
One or two good signings and a couple of loans that can add quality at this level and the rest of the squad looks a lot better.
Given where we are, we just have to be patient and see what investment and ambition we show next month before we can speculate what the potential for this side and manager is. UTT
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Post by omegasupreme on Dec 3, 2023 12:22:49 GMT 1
I’m sure DM would love us to be more on the front foot. We don’t have the quality to do it. That will come if he gets the players. January may come too soon but we will see how he is backed. Although the football was awful attacking wise, I have to admire the way he has them so drilled into that defensive shape. More on the front foot? By that do you mean more than 17% possession? If it was any more negative he would be digging a trench. I don’t have a problem with setting up defensively but our passing when we do get the ball back is shit. The point yesterday covers up the fact that Swansea should have easily won and missed a chance at the end that goes in the net 19 times out of 20. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 3, 2023 12:55:19 GMT 1
I’m sure DM would love us to be more on the front foot. We don’t have the quality to do it. That will come if he gets the players. January may come too soon but we will see how he is backed. Although the football was awful attacking wise, I have to admire the way he has them so drilled into that defensive shape. More on the front foot? By that do you mean more than 17% possession? If it was any more negative he would be digging a trench. I don’t have a problem with setting up defensively but our passing when we do get the ball back is shit. The point yesterday covers up the fact that Swansea should have easily won and missed a chance at the end that goes in the net 19 times out of 20. The opposition in our last 3 games have had 65 shots. To come away with 5 points certainly must involve a significant slice of good fortune Leeds and Cardiff combined was 35 shots yet resulted in 8 goals. |
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Post by royrace on Dec 3, 2023 13:07:59 GMT 1
We did get an away point though, after an away 3 points. Isn't that good enough for you? I’m not sure what folk expect. A weak squad with huge injury problems and were getting great points on the table. 5 points in a week. Forget about performances for a while and keep picking up vital points. I can’t speak for everyone but I expect that the team to be able to pass the ball to one and other. Pretty basic stuff for a championship team. I absolutely don’t expect us to setup against every team like an underdog in a cup tie. Quite frankly it’s pathetic and embarrassing. I’ll reserve judgement but massive improvement needed. Credit to DM for motivating them and somehow getting 5 points on the board from three tough fixtures. I sincerely hope he is backed in January but I’m certainly not taking anything for granted given the debacle in the summer and this mystery surrounding the budget. |
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Post by rockwall on Dec 3, 2023 13:13:21 GMT 1
Why didn't people moan this much over a 1-0 defeat away at Swansea last season?
With only 21% and 175 passes.
Oh yeah....
NW was in charge.
Fickle fuckers.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 3, 2023 13:16:15 GMT 1
Why didn't people moan this much over a 1-0 defeat away at Swansea last season? With only 21% and 175 passes. Oh yeah.... NW was in charge. Fickle fuckers. I bet if you look back there was exactly the same comments. When the football is shite most fans will be be honest about it regardless of who the manager is |
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Post by royrace on Dec 3, 2023 13:34:11 GMT 1
Why didn't people moan this much over a 1-0 defeat away at Swansea last season? With only 21% and 175 passes. Oh yeah.... NW was in charge. Fickle fuckers. I think they did but possibly not quite as much. There are a number of different reasons for that. NWs record, the fact we were in deep deep shit, looked highly likely to be relegated and had been terrible all season. It was absolutely pick up points at all costs due to the above. Should be a different situation now although it's not due to terrible decision making and (possibly) hiring the wrong coach. That's why there is a little more criticism of similar performances. It's perfectly understandable. I don't think anyone's is naive enough to think it's all the managers fault though. Hopefully he'll be able to teach them how to pass the football in the not too distant future. |
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Post by wildhogg on Dec 3, 2023 13:38:36 GMT 1
How many of the players in our starting XI yesterday can count passing as a strength of their game? In fact, how many players in our squad as a whole can count passing as one of their strengths? Few, if any. Very poor recruitment. Although I'd like to see some free-flowing football, it's not achievable at the moment.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Dec 3, 2023 13:54:52 GMT 1
How many of the players in our starting XI yesterday can count passing as a strength of their game? In fact, how many players in our squad as a whole can count passing as one of their strengths? Few, if any. Very poor recruitment. Although I'd like to see some free-flowing football, it's not achievable at the moment. And is why DM’s tactics are what they are. We just don’t have players with the necessary abilities to play a progressive passing game. And as you say, just emphasises the poor recruitment . |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 3, 2023 14:54:57 GMT 1
Why didn't people moan this much over a 1-0 defeat away at Swansea last season? With only 21% and 175 passes. Oh yeah.... NW was in charge. Fickle fuckers. I think they did but possibly not quite as much. There are a number of different reasons for that. NWs record, the fact we were in deep deep shit, looked highly likely to be relegated and had been terrible all season. It was absolutely pick up points at all costs due to the above.
Should be a different situation now although it's not due to terrible decision making and (possibly) hiring the wrong coach. That's why there is a little more criticism of similar performances. It's perfectly understandable. I don't think anyone's is naive enough to think it's all the managers fault though. Hopefully he'll be able to teach them how to pass the football in the not too distant future. Why? Whose decision making are you referring to? |
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Post by royrace on Dec 3, 2023 15:07:59 GMT 1
I think they did but possibly not quite as much. There are a number of different reasons for that. NWs record, the fact we were in deep deep shit, looked highly likely to be relegated and had been terrible all season. It was absolutely pick up points at all costs due to the above.
Should be a different situation now although it's not due to terrible decision making and (possibly) hiring the wrong coach. That's why there is a little more criticism of similar performances. It's perfectly understandable. I don't think anyone's is naive enough to think it's all the managers fault though. Hopefully he'll be able to teach them how to pass the football in the not too distant future. Why? Whose decision making are you referring to? Sorry thought it would be obvious.... The decision making that led to making a shitty, weak squad that was relegated bar a miracle, even weaker. Then sacking the one man capable of getting a tune out of it. |
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Post by Tinpot on Dec 3, 2023 15:13:21 GMT 1
Why? Whose decision making are you referring to? Sorry thought it would be obvious.... The decision making that led to making a shitty, weak squad that was relegated bar a miracle, even weaker. Then sacking the one man capable of getting a tune out of it. Thought you were referring to Moore (who is obviously not responsible for either of those issues). |
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