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Post by shawsie on Dec 18, 2023 19:52:27 GMT 1
I think we have to look abroad for the next manager, albeit like Wednesday, to bring a new philosophy in and back him with the players he wants. There is no value in the English leagues unless we want to spunk millions, which we won’t. This. The wednesday fella has done exactly what wagner did here..... Has a plan. Got the fans onboard quickly because its visible....even if results dont always go well initially. Got the players bought into it. Built a rapport with the fans quickly as a result and created a siege mentality. Hey presto - a club falling out with itself has in 5 or 6 wks become unified. It might be shortlived - but the initial feelings are good. The total opposite of here |
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Post by rubicon on Dec 18, 2023 20:24:56 GMT 1
Too many glasses of wine tonight, admittedly, but sometimes I just check in to see if he's gone yet. I'm really sorry, I just can't do the glass half full with this bloke, now or in January whatsoever.
Please feel free to forever mention this post, when we are playing in Europe in the next five years!
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Dec 18, 2023 21:29:07 GMT 1
The wednesday fella has done exactly what wagner did here..... Has a plan. Got the fans onboard quickly because its visible....even if results dont always go well initially. Got the players bought into it. Built a rapport with the fans quickly as a result and created a siege mentality. Hey presto - a club falling out with itself has in 5 or 6 wks become unified. It might be shortlived - but the initial feelings are good. The total opposite of here Exactly this, just posted in another thread it’s why we have to go left field and get a European coach, fresh innovative approach that can get the absolute maximum out of what we have. Not a dinosaur who’s been taught how to coach by the FA. Which considering Southgate is one of the best English coaches speaks volumes for the rest. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Dec 18, 2023 23:19:15 GMT 1
He's got five games to get 8 points and better the points total Fotheringham got in his 20 league games here. To be worse than Fotheringham would be an impressive achievement tbf.
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Post by willo on Dec 19, 2023 1:05:50 GMT 1
Paul Heckinbotham is available. Largely done well bar in his time at leeds although plenty have failed there down the years.
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Post by htfcterry on Dec 19, 2023 6:21:10 GMT 1
He's got five games to get 8 points and better the points total Fotheringham got in his 20 league games here. To be worse than Fotheringham would be an impressive achievement tbf. Norwich Blackburn Middlesbrough Leicester Plymouth We might sneak a win against Plymouth. I honestly can’t see any other points though. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Dec 19, 2023 9:46:43 GMT 1
He's got five games to get 8 points and better the points total Fotheringham got in his 20 league games here. To be worse than Fotheringham would be an impressive achievement tbf. Norwich Blackburn Middlesbrough Leicester Plymouth We might sneak a win against Plymouth. I honestly can’t see any other points though. We are gradually getting players back and some balance into the team, I think 8 points is achievable not that it really matters what MF did, pretty sure DM would have done better with the tools MF had this time last season, really difficult to compare and pointless. The injuries and the weaker squad have made it very difficult for DM to pick up many more points, I really dont think we would have picked up many more points with NW in charge these last few months and I we would have picked up far less with MF in charge, and we would have a very unhappy group. Norwich Draw 1point Blackburn Win 3points Boro Draw 1point Leicester lose 0points Plymouth Win 3points (I predict we will be above Plymouth after this also). |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Dec 19, 2023 9:49:49 GMT 1
My inner cynic, never far from the surface, predicts a mediocre January window and Moore sacked in the first 10 days of February.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Dec 19, 2023 9:55:16 GMT 1
My inner cynic, never far from the surface, predicts a mediocre January window and Moore sacked in the first 10 days of February. Just a rinse and repeat of every year then... |
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Post by duncfost01 on Dec 19, 2023 10:03:50 GMT 1
Norwich Blackburn Middlesbrough Leicester Plymouth We might sneak a win against Plymouth. I honestly can’t see any other points though. We are gradually getting players back and some balance into the team, I think 8 points is achievable not that it really matters what MF did, pretty sure DM would have done better with the tools MF had this time last season, really difficult to compare and pointless. The injuries and the weaker squad have made it very difficult for DM to pick up many more points, I really dont think we would have picked up many more points with NW in charge these last few months and I we would have picked up far less with MF in charge, and we would have a very unhappy group. Norwich Draw 1point Blackburn Win 3points Boro Draw 1point Leicester lose 0points Plymouth Win 3points (I predict we will be above Plymouth after this also). I admire your optimism. What have you seen in Moore’s football that gives you that optimism? |
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Post by Porrohman on Dec 19, 2023 10:19:12 GMT 1
My inner cynic, never far from the surface, predicts a mediocre January window and Moore sacked in the first 10 days of February. Probably still too late by then |
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Post by benroberts on Dec 19, 2023 10:27:38 GMT 1
Norwich Blackburn Middlesbrough Leicester Plymouth We might sneak a win against Plymouth. I honestly can’t see any other points though. Norwich Draw 1point Blackburn Win 3points Boro Draw 1point Leicester lose 0points Plymouth Win 3points (I predict we will be above Plymouth after this also). Wildly optimistic |
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Post by runner76 on Dec 19, 2023 10:44:30 GMT 1
Norwich Draw 1point Blackburn Win 3points Boro Draw 1point Leicester lose 0points Plymouth Win 3points (I predict we will be above Plymouth after this also). Wildly optimistic Expect the unexpected.....  I think we will haul 7-8 points from that lot.......... |
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Post by willo on Dec 19, 2023 11:39:06 GMT 1
My inner cynic, never far from the surface, predicts a mediocre January window and Moore sacked in the first 10 days of February. Probably still too late by then It will be without Warnock to call on. |
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Post by htfcterry on Dec 19, 2023 11:48:06 GMT 1
Norwich Blackburn Middlesbrough Leicester Plymouth We might sneak a win against Plymouth. I honestly can’t see any other points though. We are gradually getting players back and some balance into the team, I think 8 points is achievable not that it really matters what MF did, pretty sure DM would have done better with the tools MF had this time last season, really difficult to compare and pointless. The injuries and the weaker squad have made it very difficult for DM to pick up many more points, I really dont think we would have picked up many more points with NW in charge these last few months and I we would have picked up far less with MF in charge, and we would have a very unhappy group. Norwich Draw 1point Blackburn Win 3points Boro Draw 1point Leicester lose 0points Plymouth Win 3points (I predict we will be above Plymouth after this also). I'm saving this post. |
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Post by benroberts on Dec 19, 2023 11:52:04 GMT 1
Expect the unexpected..... I think we will haul 7-8 points from that lot.......... I still want Moore to succeed. I think he is a really decent, genuine person who is trying his best. Let's see what happen. The fact that this team is still grinding out points is a straw to clutch, but the overall performances will simply have to improve if the draws are going to become wins. I hope that Moore and the players can raise their level but it's difficult to envision right now. |
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Post by irverino on Dec 19, 2023 12:11:52 GMT 1
We are gradually getting players back and some balance into the team, I think 8 points is achievable not that it really matters what MF did, pretty sure DM would have done better with the tools MF had this time last season, really difficult to compare and pointless. The injuries and the weaker squad have made it very difficult for DM to pick up many more points, I really dont think we would have picked up many more points with NW in charge these last few months and I we would have picked up far less with MF in charge, and we would have a very unhappy group. Norwich Draw 1point Blackburn Win 3points Boro Draw 1point Leicester lose 0points Plymouth Win 3points (I predict we will be above Plymouth after this also). I'm saving this post. QPR & SW both had more possession & shots recently at Norwich & both left empty handed......So not sure about us getting a point, unless, unlike at Hull they don't manage to break through the blue wall. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Dec 19, 2023 12:18:33 GMT 1
Norwich Blackburn Middlesbrough Leicester Plymouth We might sneak a win against Plymouth. I honestly can’t see any other points though. We are gradually getting players back and some balance into the team, I think 8 points is achievable not that it really matters what MF did, pretty sure DM would have done better with the tools MF had this time last season, really difficult to compare and pointless. The injuries and the weaker squad have made it very difficult for DM to pick up many more points, I really dont think we would have picked up many more points with NW in charge these last few months and I we would have picked up far less with MF in charge, and we would have a very unhappy group. Norwich Draw 1point Blackburn Win 3points Boro Draw 1point Leicester lose 0points Plymouth Win 3points (I predict we will be above Plymouth after this also). To say Warnock wouldn’t have picked up many more points is complete bollocks. He is a complete level above Moore and the results would demonstrate that. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Dec 19, 2023 12:25:43 GMT 1
We are gradually getting players back and some balance into the team, I think 8 points is achievable not that it really matters what MF did, pretty sure DM would have done better with the tools MF had this time last season, really difficult to compare and pointless. The injuries and the weaker squad have made it very difficult for DM to pick up many more points, I really dont think we would have picked up many more points with NW in charge these last few months and I we would have picked up far less with MF in charge, and we would have a very unhappy group. Norwich Draw 1point Blackburn Win 3points Boro Draw 1point Leicester lose 0points Plymouth Win 3points (I predict we will be above Plymouth after this also). To say Warnock wouldn’t have picked up many more points is complete bollocks. He is a complete level above Moore and the results would demonstrate that. I second your thoughts Dective Boyle, its now clear Castlehill has some sort of connection to the club or to Moore or something. To be so unware of how awful Moore has done. But then to say Warnock would not have done better, is incredible level of ignorance - Castlehill you do know how clever Warnock was/ is at getting players to preform above themselves right ? You say the players like Moore , now am not going to name names, but i have heard the players think he is a very poor managers/ his "staff" are also well below average coaches and the players are often stunned at the stupid things Moore et al come out with at the training ground, yes not offence , just openly stupid. Some of the training session puzzle the hell out of the players , such as the shadow ball sessions, where they play the game without a ball . According to said players they have to try "hard" not to laugh out loud while in the classroom sessions with him and the coaches. No weather Moore becomes the manager/ head coach we need is very much up in the air . But as i have said to think / state that Warnock would not have done better, is so daft its not even a funny WUM statment. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Dec 19, 2023 12:35:23 GMT 1
To say Warnock wouldn’t have picked up many more points is complete bollocks. He is a complete level above Moore and the results would demonstrate that. I second your thoughts Dective Boyle, its now clear Castlehill has some sort of connection to the club or to Moore or something. To be so unware of how awful Moore has done. But then to say Warnock would not have done better, is incredible level of ignorance - Castlehill you do know how clever Warnock was/ is at getting players to preform above themselves right ? You say the players like Moore , now am not going to name names, but i have heard the players think he is a very poor managers/ his "staff" are also well below average coaches and the players are often stunned at the stupid things Moore et al come out with at the training ground, yes not offence , just openly stupid. Some of the training session puzzle the hell out of the players , such as the shadow ball sessions, where they play the game without a ball . According to said players they have to try "hard" not to laugh out loud while in the classroom sessions with him and the coaches. No weather Moore becomes the manager/ head coach we need is very much up in the air . But as i have said to think / state that Warnock would not have done better, is so daft its not even a funny WUM statment. I didnt say NW wouldnt have done better I said he would have not done a lot better, I would be thinking 3-5points better off (would make a massive difference I admit) but we would not suddenly be pushing the palyoffs. We also would be very much behind where we are now in regards to the January transfer window, I can guarantee some of the players we are looking at would not have come to the club under NW, it will be up to everyone to judge these signings once they are over the line but the targets we are looking at would be to strenghten the starting 11 and hopefully we find the solution to picking up more points. Darren has not done awful with the tools he has to work with we have a really poor squad currently (we tried to sign more players in the summer but they would not work with our managment team), the football is bad because its about grinding out results with so many injuries, Darren will be judged after January and not before once he has a squad he is happier with, the current target is to try and get enough points to be still out of the bottom 3 or at least in touch with everyone, currently we are achieving this. The players do really like Darren so I am not sure where this information has come from, there is a respect and the effort from them is there training has been good, the boys maybe dont like working more days and time as they had a lot of spare time when NW was here many would say way too much time off. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Dec 19, 2023 12:35:55 GMT 1
Norwich Blackburn Middlesbrough Leicester Plymouth We might sneak a win against Plymouth. I honestly can’t see any other points though. We are gradually getting players back and some balance into the team, I think 8 points is achievable not that it really matters what MF did, pretty sure DM would have done better with the tools MF had this time last season, really difficult to compare and pointless. The injuries and the weaker squad have made it very difficult for DM to pick up many more points, I really dont think we would have picked up many more points with NW in charge these last few months and I we would have picked up far less with MF in charge, and we would have a very unhappy group. Norwich Draw 1point Blackburn Win 3points Boro Draw 1point Leicester lose 0points Plymouth Win 3points (I predict we will be above Plymouth after this also). I see you've cracked open the Christmas ketamine early this year. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Dec 19, 2023 12:43:06 GMT 1
We are gradually getting players back and some balance into the team, I think 8 points is achievable not that it really matters what MF did, pretty sure DM would have done better with the tools MF had this time last season, really difficult to compare and pointless. The injuries and the weaker squad have made it very difficult for DM to pick up many more points, I really dont think we would have picked up many more points with NW in charge these last few months and I we would have picked up far less with MF in charge, and we would have a very unhappy group. Norwich Draw 1point Blackburn Win 3points Boro Draw 1point Leicester lose 0points Plymouth Win 3points (I predict we will be above Plymouth after this also). I see you've cracked open the Christmas ketamine early this year. not really I can see us picking up points and the odd win for sure, now we are starting to get some players back, lets see in a few weeks if i am correct or not. I honestly think looking at other fixtures we could pick up 4points in these games and still be out of the bottom 3 (only just) I fancy us to be above Milwall, Sheff Weds, Plymouth, and Rotherham, following the Plymouth game if we get the 8points above. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Dec 19, 2023 12:53:40 GMT 1
I second your thoughts Dective Boyle, its now clear Castlehill has some sort of connection to the club or to Moore or something. To be so unware of how awful Moore has done. But then to say Warnock would not have done better, is incredible level of ignorance - Castlehill you do know how clever Warnock was/ is at getting players to preform above themselves right ? You say the players like Moore , now am not going to name names, but i have heard the players think he is a very poor managers/ his "staff" are also well below average coaches and the players are often stunned at the stupid things Moore et al come out with at the training ground, yes not offence , just openly stupid. Some of the training session puzzle the hell out of the players , such as the shadow ball sessions, where they play the game without a ball . According to said players they have to try "hard" not to laugh out loud while in the classroom sessions with him and the coaches. No weather Moore becomes the manager/ head coach we need is very much up in the air . But as i have said to think / state that Warnock would not have done better, is so daft its not even a funny WUM statment. I didnt say NW wouldnt have done better I said he would have not done a lot better, I would be thinking 3-5points better off (would make a massive difference I admit) but we would not suddenly be pushing the palyoffs. We also would be very much behind where we are now in regards to the January transfer window, I can guarantee some of the players we are looking at would not have come to the club under NW, it will be up to everyone to judge these signings once they are over the line but the targets we are looking at would be to strenghten the starting 11 and hopefully we find the solution to picking up more points. Darren has not done awful with the tools he has to work with we have a really poor squad currently (we tried to sign more players in the summer but they would not work with our managment team), the football is bad because its about grinding out results with so many injuries, Darren will be judged after January and not before once he has a squad he is happier with, the current target is to try and get enough points to be still out of the bottom 3 or at least in touch with everyone, currently we are achieving this. The players do really like Darren so I am not sure where this information has come from, there is a respect and the effort from them is there training has been good, the boys maybe dont like working more days and time as they had a lot of spare time when NW was here many would say way too much time off. I promise you from what i have heard the players think the exact oppiste to your claim, regarding moore's training and its not the workload.
Warnock - his record and reputation within football, i do not and will never accept that , thatp layers didn't want to work with him ? yet want to work with Moore a guy who has done 1 good sesason with a high wage budget at sheff wed?
Warnock - would have done a lot better than Moore has done, to think he wouldn't or even debate it is mental . Moore style to date , makes it incredibly hard to win a game, under warnock when we got a lead, we didn't just run off and defend the box, like a under 10's team playing up hill in the first half.
As i have said i wont name names of the players , but Moore's training puzzles the players. I also do not think for a second that giving Moore players, will make the results change much at all. I like others have not for one second being impressed with Moore , both in his management or how he comes across is rather poor.
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Post by irverino on Dec 19, 2023 12:54:10 GMT 1
I see you've cracked open the Christmas ketamine early this year. not really I can see us picking up points and the odd win for sure, now we are starting to get some players back, lets see in a few weeks if i am correct or not. I honestly think looking at other fixtures we could pick up 4points in these games and still be out of the bottom 3 (only just) I fancy us to be above Milwall, Sheff Weds, Plymouth, and Rotherham, following the Plymouth game if we get the 8points above. The two form teams outside of the top six are currently below Town, I can see us in the bottom two a fortnight today under DM's guidance......I'm only drinking coffee though. |
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Dec 19, 2023 13:02:20 GMT 1
not really I can see us picking up points and the odd win for sure, now we are starting to get some players back, lets see in a few weeks if i am correct or not. I honestly think looking at other fixtures we could pick up 4points in these games and still be out of the bottom 3 (only just) I fancy us to be above Milwall, Sheff Weds, Plymouth, and Rotherham, following the Plymouth game if we get the 8points above. The two form teams outside of the top six are currently below Town, I can see us in the bottom two a fortnight today under DM's guidance......I'm only drinking coffee though. On the other hand the two teams above us have picked up 2 points in their last 5 games whereas we've picked up 6, so on current form we'll be above both of them within the next fortnight. |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Dec 19, 2023 13:06:22 GMT 1
Or, the form book means nothing, We're fkn shite with DM in charge, and christmas will be glum as fuck
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Post by irverino on Dec 19, 2023 13:11:00 GMT 1
The two form teams outside of the top six are currently below Town, I can see us in the bottom two a fortnight today under DM's guidance......I'm only drinking coffee though. On the other hand the two teams above us have picked up 2 points in their last 5 games whereas we've picked up 6, so on current form we'll be above both of them within the next fortnight. They play each other this weekend, our two home draws could just do it.......Happy NY. |
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Post by 28901 on Dec 19, 2023 13:55:25 GMT 1
I second your thoughts Dective Boyle, its now clear Castlehill has some sort of connection to the club or to Moore or something. To be so unware of how awful Moore has done. But then to say Warnock would not have done better, is incredible level of ignorance - Castlehill you do know how clever Warnock was/ is at getting players to preform above themselves right ? You say the players like Moore , now am not going to name names, but i have heard the players think he is a very poor managers/ his "staff" are also well below average coaches and the players are often stunned at the stupid things Moore et al come out with at the training ground, yes not offence , just openly stupid. Some of the training session puzzle the hell out of the players , such as the shadow ball sessions, where they play the game without a ball . According to said players they have to try "hard" not to laugh out loud while in the classroom sessions with him and the coaches. No weather Moore becomes the manager/ head coach we need is very much up in the air . But as i have said to think / state that Warnock would not have done better, is so daft its not even a funny WUM statment. I didnt say NW wouldnt have done better I said he would have not done a lot better, I would be thinking 3-5points better off (would make a massive difference I admit) but we would not suddenly be pushing the palyoffs. We also would be very much behind where we are now in regards to the January transfer window, I can guarantee some of the players we are looking at would not have come to the club under NW, it will be up to everyone to judge these signings once they are over the line but the targets we are looking at would be to strenghten the starting 11 and hopefully we find the solution to picking up more points. Darren has not done awful with the tools he has to work with we have a really poor squad currently (we tried to sign more players in the summer but they would not work with our managment team), the football is bad because its about grinding out results with so many injuries, Darren will be judged after January and not before once he has a squad he is happier with, the current target is to try and get enough points to be still out of the bottom 3 or at least in touch with everyone, currently we are achieving this. The players do really like Darren so I am not sure where this information has come from, there is a respect and the effort from them is there training has been good, the boys maybe dont like working more days and time as they had a lot of spare time when NW was here many would say way too much time off. Who is this 'we'? You have as much inside knowledge as I do and I haven't a clue. The only person on here with a proven insight is Maynard and he is saying the opposite of what you are, so cut the bullshit and ridiculous attention seeking. |
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Post by harrythedog on Dec 19, 2023 14:15:07 GMT 1
castlehill is a patsy,
I suspect a club employee, close to DM who is living in the rented accommodation previously occupied by NW.
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Post by Sparrow on Dec 19, 2023 14:35:23 GMT 1
Spent 4 hours in Sheffield A&E last night, after my lad got injured playing for Sheff United. For a bit of it I was chatting to a Wednesday fan . The big thing from him was that DM had no plan B for when it was going wrong in matches......I think we've all seen that as well.
He, the Wednesday fan, was very very confident that they would now get out of trouble, with their new manager.
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