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Post by soapystevens on Sept 25, 2024 16:20:37 GMT 1
All I can say about Hogg is if he was as good as a lot on here think he was or is he would not have been a Town player for over ten years. A bigger club would have bought him. He would have gone for the extra money even if it meant spending the rest of his career playing reserve football. If you don’t believe me how many players have signed for Shitty,Chelski , ect never to be heard of again. The one regret that Sean Dyche said when he was at Burnley, was not taking Hogg with him from Watford. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 25, 2024 16:20:57 GMT 1
Sometimes it isnt enough. Last night I think the players looked really confused and his leadership would have helped. No one player can stop bad things happening so if youre wanting to blame everything thats gone wrong on Hogg's leadership youre kidding yourself. I just think having our most experienced player out there would have helped when right from the off we looked all over the place. Experience like knowing that laying into helik after that OG wouldn't have helped the player at all!!And for the second goal he immediately has a moan at Lees Not showing much leadership there or a 'rallying of the troops' attitude. I've never actually seen him try and give his team mates confidence or get them going in adversity. The only one who seems to try is Nicholls. Hogg is massively over-rated as a leader in my opinion (which of course if worth nothing in the grand scheme of things). In terms of his experience. Yes he has over 500 games under his belt. But there was a lot of experience on the pitch last night. Lees has over 600 games, Nicholls over 400, Helik and Ladapo over 300, Koroma, Kane, Sorrenson, Wiles & Evans over 200. Well over 3,000 matches between them. We were just shit, very shit. We'd have still been very shit with Hogg on the pitch. Just like we were against Northampton. No he doesnt at all. What bollocking? His just raises his arms to his side in a 'What the f*ck??' way,,,no more than that. |
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Post by FloridaTerrier on Sept 25, 2024 16:59:00 GMT 1
The thing is, if you look back at the own goal, the first thing Hogg does after Helik's own goal is bollock him, with his arms up in the air having a go.www.htafc.com/videos/400d62db-9e29-451a-97ea-91b1b9109e90And for the second goal he immediately has a moan at Lees Not showing much leadership there or a 'rallying of the troops' attitude. I've never actually seen him try and give his team mates confidence or get them going in adversity. The only one who seems to try is Nicholls. Hogg is massively over-rated as a leader in my opinion (which of course if worth nothing in the grand scheme of things). In terms of his experience. Yes he has over 500 games under his belt. But there was a lot of experience on the pitch last night. Lees has over 600 games, Nicholls over 400, Helik and Ladapo over 300, Koroma, Kane, Sorrenson, Wiles & Evans over 200. Well over 3,000 matches between them. We were just shit, very shit. We'd have still been very shit with Hogg on the pitch. Just like we were against Northampton. No he doesnt at all. What bollocking? His just raises his arms to his side in a 'What the f*ck??' way,,,no more than that. I noticed this too, and if you look carefully you'll see Helik say something back at him too. |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Sept 25, 2024 17:18:22 GMT 1
mosher its not an Allah thing, might be a Christian thing as Allah means God in Arabic. I believe some do it in the hope they're not going to get injured. There are few Christian/Muslim footballers, good for them least they believe in something other than getting pissed and giving it the big I am.
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Post by Amigo on Sept 25, 2024 17:51:52 GMT 1
The thing is, if you look back at the own goal, the first thing Hogg does after Helik's own goal is bollock him, with his arms up in the air having a go.www.htafc.com/videos/400d62db-9e29-451a-97ea-91b1b9109e90And for the second goal he immediately has a moan at Lees Not showing much leadership there or a 'rallying of the troops' attitude. I've never actually seen him try and give his team mates confidence or get them going in adversity. The only one who seems to try is Nicholls. Hogg is massively over-rated as a leader in my opinion (which of course if worth nothing in the grand scheme of things). In terms of his experience. Yes he has over 500 games under his belt. But there was a lot of experience on the pitch last night. Lees has over 600 games, Nicholls over 400, Helik and Ladapo over 300, Koroma, Kane, Sorrenson, Wiles & Evans over 200. Well over 3,000 matches between them. We were just shit, very shit. We'd have still been very shit with Hogg on the pitch. Just like we were against Northampton. No he doesnt at all. What bollocking? His just raises his arms to his side in a 'What the f*ck??' way,,,no more than that. You're right I take it back, the response of waving your arms in the air turning round with your head down and walking off slowly is brilliant leadership. No point trying to calm the lads down or encouraging them to get back in to it just make sure everyone knows you're fuming and the crowd know you think it was crap. |
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Post by cyberman on Sept 25, 2024 17:55:16 GMT 1
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Post by Amigo on Sept 25, 2024 17:59:24 GMT 1
You've completely changed what I've said there. I haven't blamed everything on Hogg, he didn't play last night. I have said I don't think he has any leadership because we fold whether he's playing or not so he doesn't make a difference. I said we have no leadership in the squad. Which we don't. Not one player in that squad could calm a team down and give out useful instructions when things are going wrong. Laying in to a player is NOT leadership or experience, walking off with your head down is not leadership or experience either, as a captain it's petulant to just ignore it. Telling the player to forget it and keep his head up because it's one error, we're only one goal down with most of the match to play and getting the team back to doing the basics right to get back in the game is leadership. He showed and has shown absolutely none of that. Heliks an experienced international, senior player..you really think he needs the captain to have a comforting word after a mistake like that? A younger player, yes, but helik wont need or particularly appreciate that. If youre going to say Hoggs leadership didnt help every time some game went badly, you have to also suggest it DID help whenever it didnt go badly surely? Weve won games without playing that well this season..so maybe that was down to Hoggs leadership? You thinking he hasnt got any leadership goes against every comment ive ever heard from his team mates over many many seasons and every one of the long list of managers who've made him their captain. Helik knows he's done something shit, a bit of encouragement wouldn't go astray everyone in the stadium has seen it was shit it doesn't really need emphasing with your captain waving his arms up. I'm saying it makes absolutely no difference because we don't have any leaders in the squad at all. We've played bad and won with him? You're basically saying Hogg's leadership has made the opposition miss chances and make us play bad? Odd. If it goes bad it keeps going bad, nobody steps up. It's not just Hogg, there's nobody to lead this side. Nicholls is possibly one but his position makes it extremely difficult. Not bringing in leaders has been a huge cock up over many windows now. |
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Post by bells ringing :) on Sept 25, 2024 18:03:29 GMT 1
All I can say about Hogg is if he was as good as a lot on here think he was or is he would not have been a Town player for over ten years. A bigger club would have bought him. He would have gone for the extra money even if it meant spending the rest of his career playing reserve football. If you don’t believe me how many players have signed for Shitty,Chelski , ect never to be heard of again. The one regret that Sean Dyche said when he was at Burnley, was not taking Hogg with him from Watford. I am sure Dyche if asked now, does not regret signing Hogg for Burnley at all. He found much better players than Hogg ever has being at Burnley. |
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Post by dm on Sept 25, 2024 18:15:15 GMT 1
He's a fucking machine ! - here there and every fooking where ! - That sounds like a fucking mess to me. |
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Post by dm on Sept 25, 2024 18:18:27 GMT 1
All I can say about Hogg is if he was as good as a lot on here think he was or is he would not have been a Town player for over ten years. A bigger club would have bought him. He would have gone for the extra money even if it meant spending the rest of his career playing reserve football. If you don’t believe me how many players have signed for Shitty,Chelski , ect never to be heard of again. The one regret that Sean Dyche said when he was at Burnley, was not taking Hogg with him from Watford. You think he'd be anywhere near any other PL squad in almost any of the last 10 years? |
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Post by detox on Sept 25, 2024 18:41:14 GMT 1
Not so much a General as a Sgt Major...good at bawling out the guys but not so hot on the overall strategy. Hogg appears to me to be a 'lad'..the fact he's joined in the wrist kissing, the arms up to Allah when entering the pitch tells me something about him.. I've no doubt as to his commitment to the cause, but a leader of men he is not. It's not just an Allah thing, Christians do it too. Fk knows why they all do it though, not like a belief in a deity helps you play better. Especially our players  Tbh, I doubt Hogg knows the difference which is probably why he does the full medley of crossing himself, wrist kissing,kiss the thumb, arms in the air..he's missed out kneeling and laying flat on the floor. I'm sure the other players are thinking what a plonker. |
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Post by htafcdreams on Sept 25, 2024 22:19:13 GMT 1
Hoggs fault last night
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Post by shawsie on Sept 25, 2024 22:29:10 GMT 1
No point in singling out individuals......hogg is polarising opinion because hes been the common theme in a mostly shite last 10/12 yrs interspersed with 4 good ones.
Hes coming to the end but still a useful but perhaps less frequently played squad member imho......for those that think hes bielzebub i would simply ask where the better replacement has been for years? We might now have one in hodge but hes seen off plenty of others in the past.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 25, 2024 23:23:23 GMT 1
No he doesnt at all. What bollocking? His just raises his arms to his side in a 'What the f*ck??' way,,,no more than that. You're right I take it back, the response of waving your arms in the air turning round with your head down and walking off slowly is brilliant leadership. No point trying to calm the lads down or encouraging them to get back in to it just make sure everyone knows you're fuming and the crowd know you think it was crap. Do you want him to have a meltdown about it? Do you want him to tell the experienced team mate that perhaps he should try and not pass the ball into our net next time? You know, just in case he was considering doing that? You think the crowd DONT think he thought it was crap..or that helik or any other player didnt think it was crap? Nobody needed calming down. Sometimes you dont need to say anything, and unless you sit there with a pair of binoculars permanently locked onto Hoggs face, how the hell do you know if he said anything or not to his teammates in the aftermath of that, or what he said if he did? We've gone from him giving helik a 'bollocking'..to him 'waving his arms in the air', when if people stop making stuff up, the reality is he lifted his arms from his side in a 'What The..!!" motion...which was a sight less than just about everyone else in the stadium did! |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 25, 2024 23:34:18 GMT 1
Heliks an experienced international, senior player..you really think he needs the captain to have a comforting word after a mistake like that? A younger player, yes, but helik wont need or particularly appreciate that. If youre going to say Hoggs leadership didnt help every time some game went badly, you have to also suggest it DID help whenever it didnt go badly surely? Weve won games without playing that well this season..so maybe that was down to Hoggs leadership? You thinking he hasnt got any leadership goes against every comment ive ever heard from his team mates over many many seasons and every one of the long list of managers who've made him their captain. Helik knows he's done something shit, a bit of encouragement wouldn't go astray everyone in the stadium has seen it was shit it doesn't really need emphasing with your captain waving his arms up. I'm saying it makes absolutely no difference because we don't have any leaders in the squad at all. We've played bad and won with him? You're basically saying Hogg's leadership has made the opposition miss chances and make us play bad? Odd.If it goes bad it keeps going bad, nobody steps up. It's not just Hogg, there's nobody to lead this side. Nicholls is possibly one but his position makes it extremely difficult. Not bringing in leaders has been a huge cock up over many windows now. No,,if youre trying to suggest all the bad things you list werent helped by Hoggs leadership,,then you cant have it both ways..when weve won they WERE helped by Hoggs leadership by that logic. Baring in mind you arent in the dressing room, arent at training , arent on the pitch, dont know any of the characters involved,,,dont you find it strange that a very long list of managers, one after the other, have made Hogg their skipper? None of them had to do..any one of them could have changed it if, as you claim with the insight gleaned from your seat in the stands, he has no leadership skills. |
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Post by willo on Sept 26, 2024 0:42:39 GMT 1
We could do with a Peter Clarke type, a proper captain who could gee up others around him without resorting to throwing his arms in the air in frustration at their mistakes. When you compare to the likes of Clarke or Jacko, Hogg isn’t at the races.
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Post by Amigo on Sept 26, 2024 7:05:05 GMT 1
You're right I take it back, the response of waving your arms in the air turning round with your head down and walking off slowly is brilliant leadership. No point trying to calm the lads down or encouraging them to get back in to it just make sure everyone knows you're fuming and the crowd know you think it was crap. Do you want him to have a meltdown about it? Do you want him to tell the experienced team mate that perhaps he should try and not pass the ball into our net next time? You know, just in case he was considering doing that? You think the crowd DONT think he thought it was crap..or that helik or any other player didnt think it was crap? Nobody needed calming down. Sometimes you dont need to say anything, and unless you sit there with a pair of binoculars permanently locked onto Hoggs face, how the hell do you know if he said anything or not to his teammates in the aftermath of that, or what he said if he did? We've gone from him giving helik a 'bollocking'..to him 'waving his arms in the air', when if people stop making stuff up, the reality is he lifted his arms from his side in a 'What The..!!" motion...which was a sight less than just about everyone else in the stadium did! Again, something you do with everyone, changing what I've said. Maybe you're just bad at quoting and quoting the wrong posts I don't know. I didn't say he had or that I wanted him to bollock Helik. I said completely the opposite actually. Have a quick word tell him to forget it and get the rest of the team on board, instead they watched their captain flap his arms off and walk off head down as if we'd lost already. I watched him to see if he'd do anything, he didn't. If he did it in the changing room then it's too late then. Nobody needed calming down? The whole team were panicked after that and none of them wanted the ball, it looked to me and most other like they needed calming down. Again I didn't say I thought the crowd or players didn't think it was crap, totally the opposite, maybe you are actually responding to someone else? Most of your post is not what I said. |
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Post by Amigo on Sept 26, 2024 7:12:22 GMT 1
Helik knows he's done something shit, a bit of encouragement wouldn't go astray everyone in the stadium has seen it was shit it doesn't really need emphasing with your captain waving his arms up. I'm saying it makes absolutely no difference because we don't have any leaders in the squad at all. We've played bad and won with him? You're basically saying Hogg's leadership has made the opposition miss chances and make us play bad? Odd.If it goes bad it keeps going bad, nobody steps up. It's not just Hogg, there's nobody to lead this side. Nicholls is possibly one but his position makes it extremely difficult. Not bringing in leaders has been a huge cock up over many windows now. No,,if youre trying to suggest all the bad things you list werent helped by Hoggs leadership,,then you cant have it both ways..when weve won they WERE helped by Hoggs leadership by that logic. Baring in mind you arent in the dressing room, arent at training , arent on the pitch, dont know any of the characters involved,,,dont you find it strange that a very long list of managers, one after the other, have made Hogg their skipper? None of them had to do..any one of them could have changed it if, as you claim with the insight gleaned from your seat in the stands, he has no leadership skills. Again with the changing things someone has said? I didn't say everything that's gone wrong is Hogg's fault, I keep saying there are no leaders in the squad. It's obvious. The players have enough quality we can beat some sides when things are going well, we have no leadership when things do badly. Yet again, this is NOT particularly Hogg because I don't consider him a leader either, there's no leaders in the squad. All you have to do is watch how the team interact with each other and compare that to other sides, it's really not difficult to see. As I've said Nicholls does look like a captain sometimes but he's back in goal. Actually saw Koroma on Saturday for 5 minutes go from wing to wing a couple of times trying to get players to push forward in the 2nd half just before we had our best spell. I'm not saying Koroma is a captain at all but at least he was trying to give instructions and push the team forward. |
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Post by cyberman on Sept 26, 2024 7:42:07 GMT 1
Bring back a Lee Makel clone - now e wor a great leader !
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2024 8:05:45 GMT 1
Do you want him to have a meltdown about it? Do you want him to tell the experienced team mate that perhaps he should try and not pass the ball into our net next time? You know, just in case he was considering doing that? You think the crowd DONT think he thought it was crap..or that helik or any other player didnt think it was crap? Nobody needed calming down. Sometimes you dont need to say anything, and unless you sit there with a pair of binoculars permanently locked onto Hoggs face, how the hell do you know if he said anything or not to his teammates in the aftermath of that, or what he said if he did? We've gone from him giving helik a 'bollocking'..to him 'waving his arms in the air', when if people stop making stuff up, the reality is he lifted his arms from his side in a 'What The..!!" motion...which was a sight less than just about everyone else in the stadium did! Again, something you do with everyone, changing what I've said. Maybe you're just bad at quoting and quoting the wrong posts I don't know. I didn't say he had or that I wanted him to bollock Helik. I said completely the opposite actually. Have a quick word tell him to forget it and get the rest of the team on board, instead they watched their captain flap his arms off and walk off head down as if we'd lost already. I watched him to see if he'd do anything, he didn't. If he did it in the changing room then it's too late then. Nobody needed calming down? The whole team were panicked after that and none of them wanted the ball, it looked to me and most other like they needed calming down. Again I didn't say I thought the crowd or players didn't think it was crap, totally the opposite, maybe you are actually responding to someone else? Most of your post is not what I said. The bollocking was what someone else said happened...I was lumping your comments in with theirs as the exaggeration of what Hogg did. 'Walk off like wed already lost'?? Its just nonsense. helik didnt need telling...he didnt need any words of comfort..hes an experienced senior pro!! And again, you cant possibly know what, if anything, Hogg said to the team in the immediate aftermath of that OG. You really think if he doesnt run around each individual player making a huge show of 'being captain', that he cant have said anything to any players who 'needed calming down' ? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2024 8:17:55 GMT 1
No,,if youre trying to suggest all the bad things you list werent helped by Hoggs leadership,,then you cant have it both ways..when weve won they WERE helped by Hoggs leadership by that logic. Baring in mind you arent in the dressing room, arent at training , arent on the pitch, dont know any of the characters involved,,,dont you find it strange that a very long list of managers, one after the other, have made Hogg their skipper? None of them had to do..any one of them could have changed it if, as you claim with the insight gleaned from your seat in the stands, he has no leadership skills. Again with the changing things someone has said? I didn't say everything that's gone wrong is Hogg's fault, I keep saying there are no leaders in the squad. It's obvious. The players have enough quality we can beat some sides when things are going well, we have no leadership when things do badly. Yet again, this is NOT particularly Hogg because I don't consider him a leader either, there's no leaders in the squad. All you have to do is watch how the team interact with each other and compare that to other sides, it's really not difficult to see. As I've said Nicholls does look like a captain sometimes but he's back in goal. Actually saw Koroma on Saturday for 5 minutes go from wing to wing a couple of times trying to get players to push forward in the 2nd half just before we had our best spell. I'm not saying Koroma is a captain at all but at least he was trying to give instructions and push the team forward. I havent changed anything you've said. You listed all these bad things that happened despite Hoggs leadership..'where was hoggs leadership..' ,effectively putting a big part of the fault on Hogg for ,in your view from the stands, having no leadership qualities. We lack leadership when things go badly, but when things go well it's because we're good enough and dont need leadership?? Thats a very convenient way of having your cake and eating it! Again, if hes got no leadership skills, dont you think its weird that manager after manager after manager who work with him and the players day in and day out, seemingly dont notice what you've spotted from the stands and make him their captain? |
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Post by Sparrow on Sept 26, 2024 9:43:55 GMT 1
Real leaders lead when things are going wrong and going badly. They get everyone going again, get everyone going in the right direction, drag everyone up and bring everyone back to a position where they can compete to change their fortunes. Look at how Warnock lead us to safety when we were all but dead and buried. In all honesty the only player that every looks to do this on a match day is Lee Nicholls. He's the only one giving encouragement and trying to get everyone going again when things are going badly.
Real leaders get hold of a dressing room and don't let click and fractions form and don't allow bad eggs to spread negativity...............
We've been a struggling team with a loosing mentality for a number of seasons now. We've heard stories of clicks forming in the dressing room and bad eggs stinking the place out, from back in the second premier league season right up to last season. A real leader doesn't allow that to happen and for those kind of things to fester for as long as they have at Town. Hogg has been club captain for a long time. A time when a loosing mentality has spread throughout the squad and where click & fractions have been allowed to form in the dressing room.
He may be the best leader the club currently has and has had during that time, and that's quite a damming statement on recruitment.
It's long overdue that we moved on from Hogg, both as a player and a captain.
Anyone can be a great leader and captain when things are going well.
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Post by htafcdreams on Sept 26, 2024 9:51:23 GMT 1
The fight, aggression and leadership shown by Hogg is not appreciated by the fans
We need more introverted, slumped and no fight behaviour as this is valued far more. If we can get Ben Wiles on tomorrow’s presser tomorrow that help set the tone
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2024 10:11:40 GMT 1
Real leaders lead when things are going wrong and going badly. They get everyone going again, get everyone going in the right direction, drag everyone up and bring everyone back to a position where they can compete to change their fortunes. Look at how Warnock lead us to safety when we were all but dead and buried. In all honesty the only player that every looks to do this on a match day is Lee Nicholls. He's the only one giving encouragement and trying to get everyone going again when things are going badly. Real leaders get hold of a dressing room and don't let click and fractions form and don't allow bad eggs to spread negativity............... We've been a struggling team with a loosing mentality for a number of seasons now. We've heard stories of clicks forming in the dressing room and bad eggs stinking the place out, from back in the second premier league season right up to last season. A real leader doesn't allow that to happen and for those kind of things to fester for as long as they have at Town. Hogg has been club captain for a long time. A time when a loosing mentality has spread throughout the squad and where click & fractions have been allowed to form in the dressing room. He may be the best leader the club currently has and has had during that time, and that's quite a damming statement on recruitment. It's long overdue that we moved on from Hogg, both as a player and a captain. Anyone can be a great leader and captain when things are going well. Again though, how do you know it wasnt Hoggs leadership that kept that fractured dressing room together enough for any chance of survival to even exist when warnock arrived? Maybe with less of a skipper in place, it would have been a much worse situation? Warnock was one of many ( all of them ) who kept Hogg as the captain and spoke about him and his influence in glowing terms. I agree though, we do have to move on from Hogg as a player and as a captain. Doing that is proving easier said than done though. |
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Post by detox on Sept 26, 2024 10:26:31 GMT 1
The fight, aggression and leadership shown by Hogg is not appreciated by the fans We need more introverted, slumped and no fight behaviour as this is valued far more. If we can get Ben Wiles on tomorrow’s presser tomorrow that help set the tone Oh dear......... |
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Post by Amigo on Sept 26, 2024 11:00:24 GMT 1
Again with the changing things someone has said? I didn't say everything that's gone wrong is Hogg's fault, I keep saying there are no leaders in the squad. It's obvious. The players have enough quality we can beat some sides when things are going well, we have no leadership when things do badly. Yet again, this is NOT particularly Hogg because I don't consider him a leader either, there's no leaders in the squad. All you have to do is watch how the team interact with each other and compare that to other sides, it's really not difficult to see. As I've said Nicholls does look like a captain sometimes but he's back in goal. Actually saw Koroma on Saturday for 5 minutes go from wing to wing a couple of times trying to get players to push forward in the 2nd half just before we had our best spell. I'm not saying Koroma is a captain at all but at least he was trying to give instructions and push the team forward. I havent changed anything you've said. You listed all these bad things that happened despite Hoggs leadership..'where was hoggs leadership..' ,effectively putting a big part of the fault on Hogg for ,in your view from the stands, having no leadership qualities. We lack leadership when things go badly, but when things go well it's because we're good enough and dont need leadership?? Thats a very convenient way of having your cake and eating it! Again, if hes got no leadership skills, dont you think its weird that manager after manager after manager who work with him and the players day in and day out, seemingly dont notice what you've spotted from the stands and make him their captain? My main points seem to be sailing over your head so this is pointless. I watched him after the goal till kick off, he didn't say a thing to anyone just had his head down till play restarted. If you think Hogg shows great leadership and has for all these depressing years he's been captain then that's your opinion. All I see is a team that when things start going wrong and we need to settle down or dig then at least 90% of the time we buckle. For that reason I think our club lacks leaders, you obviously think there's another reason we fall apart all the time. He's only been captain since Schindler left as well. Clarke, Hudson, Smith, Schindler were all captains before that while he was here youre talking like he's been the main man for years. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2024 12:09:51 GMT 1
I havent changed anything you've said. You listed all these bad things that happened despite Hoggs leadership..'where was hoggs leadership..' ,effectively putting a big part of the fault on Hogg for ,in your view from the stands, having no leadership qualities. We lack leadership when things go badly, but when things go well it's because we're good enough and dont need leadership?? Thats a very convenient way of having your cake and eating it! Again, if hes got no leadership skills, dont you think its weird that manager after manager after manager who work with him and the players day in and day out, seemingly dont notice what you've spotted from the stands and make him their captain? My main points seem to be sailing over your head so this is pointless. I watched him after the goal till kick off, he didn't say a thing to anyone just had his head down till play restarted. If you think Hogg shows great leadership and has for all these depressing years he's been captain then that's your opinion. All I see is a team that when things start going wrong and we need to settle down or dig then at least 90% of the time we buckle. For that reason I think our club lacks leaders, you obviously think there's another reason we fall apart all the time. He's only been captain since Schindler left as well. Clarke, Hudson, Smith, Schindler were all captains before that while he was here youre talking like he's been the main man for years. No, your points arent sailing over my head...Im just not agreeing with them! Is your idea that if someone doesnt agree with you, then they must simply be not understanding what youre saying??  |
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Post by Amigo on Sept 26, 2024 12:19:46 GMT 1
My main points seem to be sailing over your head so this is pointless. I watched him after the goal till kick off, he didn't say a thing to anyone just had his head down till play restarted. If you think Hogg shows great leadership and has for all these depressing years he's been captain then that's your opinion. All I see is a team that when things start going wrong and we need to settle down or dig then at least 90% of the time we buckle. For that reason I think our club lacks leaders, you obviously think there's another reason we fall apart all the time. He's only been captain since Schindler left as well. Clarke, Hudson, Smith, Schindler were all captains before that while he was here youre talking like he's been the main man for years. No, your points arent sailing over my head...Im just not agreeing with them! Is your idea that if someone doesnt agree with you, then they must simply be not understanding what youre saying?? No you just keep changing what I've said then arguing these new points you've made up so clearly not understanding. More than happy to argue a point with someone but when they keep changing the point it gets a bit boring. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 26, 2024 12:32:49 GMT 1
Not changed any point I disagree with that you've said that Im aware of.
From your vantage point in your seat, you dont think Hogg has any leadership skills ..despite a long list of managers who know all the characters in the dressing room extremely well choosing to have him as the captain and singing his praises as a leader.
Your eyesight is so impressive you can lip read from 60 yards away and know what, if anything, he says to teammates.
Hogg raising his arms by his side in a questioning way is 'waving his arms around'
If things go badly, we can point a finger at Hogg for his lack of leadership.
If things go well its because we're good enough and havent needed his leadership.
Not sure which bits you think im not understanding?
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Post by Amigo on Sept 26, 2024 13:45:39 GMT 1
Not changed any point I disagree with that you've said that Im aware of. From your vantage point in your seat, you dont think Hogg has any leadership skills ..despite a long list of managers who know all the characters in the dressing room extremely well choosing to have him as the captain and singing his praises as a leader. Your eyesight is so impressive you can lip read from 60 yards away and know what, if anything, he says to teammates. Hogg raising his arms by his side in a questioning way is 'waving his arms around' If things go badly, we can point a finger at Hogg for his lack of leadership. If things go well its because we're good enough and havent needed his leadership. Not sure which bits you think im not understanding? Yes you have, which is why I keep pointing it out. For him to speak to the players he'd have to look at them not the floor. Again you're not understanding what I'm saying because you've jumped on this "it's all Hogg's fault" which is not what I've said at all but you aren't understanding. For probably the 10th time, there's no leaders in the whole squad is what I've said. Hogg isn't a leader, Sorensen isn't a leader, Evans isn't a leader, Wiles isn't a leader, etc etc etc, there aren't any. He gets chosen as captain because he's been here longest and there's literally nobody else to pick. Isn't Headley in the "leadership group" or what ever it is? That tells you everything. We played shit on Saturday, we played shit on Tuesday. He doesn't make a difference one way or the other. The suggestion (frol you originally) was he'd have had a sore throat bollocking them on Tuesday, well it made absolutely no difference on Saturday. Because..... he isn't a leader. We don't have one. The long list of managers by the way is - Corberan Schofield Fotheringham Warnock Moore Breitenreiter Duff Definitely 4 (maybe 5 at the moment) of those 7 I wouldn't trust to manage a playgroup never mind grown men. |
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