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Post by Amigo on Sept 25, 2024 9:44:27 GMT 1
You're right, after the way he and the team performed with him last Saturday against a weaker side than Blackpool tonight then I can't fathom what so ever why fans wanted him dropped. We'd have won tonight with him in the side without question... Jesus wept. They certainly wouldn’t have walked straight through our midfield like they did. Hogg is terrible from an attacking point of view but to say he wouldn’t have made the middle of the park more difficult for Blackpool is mad. Saturday wasn’t getting over run and outplayed like last night. It was just as bad but errors galore. Last night Blackpool were just a lot better than us. 17% of Blackpools attacks came through the middle. 39% down their right. 44% down their left. For comparison on Saturday for Northampton it was - 22% down the middle. 35% down their right. 43% down their left. We got attacked down the middle less last night than Saturday but also shows teams are clearly targeting our wide areas and particularly Sorensen. They were passing rings round us and moving off the ball constantly, I think it's mad to think a static Hogg would have been able to stop that. |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 25, 2024 9:59:31 GMT 1
They certainly wouldn’t have walked straight through our midfield like they did. Hogg is terrible from an attacking point of view but to say he wouldn’t have made the middle of the park more difficult for Blackpool is mad. Saturday wasn’t getting over run and outplayed like last night. It was just as bad but errors galore. Last night Blackpool were just a lot better than us. 17% of Blackpools attacks came through the middle. 39% down their right. 44% down their left. For comparison on Saturday for Northampton it was - 22% down the middle. 35% down their right. 43% down their left. We got attacked down the middle less last night than Saturday but also shows teams are clearly targeting our wide areas and particularly Sorensen. They were passing rings round us and moving off the ball constantly, I think it's mad to think a static Hogg would have been able to stop that. I’m not disagreeing but this is where stats are misleading and you need to trust your eyes. The ball may have ended up wide and agree that is where the gaps are and Sorensen has fallen off a cliff but they played simple triangles round the middle of the park before playing out wide. I’m not defending Hogg, if he’s still starting come Christmas we are failing. |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Sept 25, 2024 10:14:11 GMT 1
The General talk about a stupid name who thinks these up. Town are good at all the unimportant media and art stuff and crap at what really matters winning games. When will they wake up, menstrual club of the year and a nice mural of an average at best player will not prevent another relegation. Hang on though Katie, he has been loyal, so have I but there is not a big mural of me outside my work place. This is so reminiscent of the Giants another club that talks big but fails to produce consistently.
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Post by rougeboy31 on Sept 25, 2024 10:35:08 GMT 1
The General talk about a stupid name who thinks these up. Town are good at all the unimportant media and art stuff and crap at what really matters winning games. When will they wake up, menstrual club of the year and a nice mural of an average at best player will not prevent another relegation. Hang on though Katie, he has been loyal, so have I but there is not a big mural of me outside my work place. This is so reminiscent of the Giants another club that talks big but fails to produce consistently. it’s so strange to have a shrine for a current player who hasn’t even been that good. It almost proves that they only listen to the happy clappers who think Hogg is still as good as he ever was. When you consider some of the actual club legends at town as well it seems like an absolute joke. Chapman, smith, Stephenson, brown, glazzard, boothy etc. |
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Post by Sparrow on Sept 25, 2024 10:45:31 GMT 1
Not Hogg bashing here, but did anyone see him warming up at all last night?
I saw him in the pre-match warm up, but can't remember him warming up on the side lines or at half time?
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Post by bluetit on Sept 25, 2024 10:58:14 GMT 1
All I can say about Hogg is if he was as good as a lot on here think he was or is he would not have been a Town player for over ten years. A bigger club would have bought him. He would have gone for the extra money even if it meant spending the rest of his career playing reserve football. If you don’t believe me how many players have signed for Shitty,Chelski , ect never to be heard of again.
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Post by boooothy on Sept 25, 2024 11:01:54 GMT 1
Not Hogg bashing here, but did anyone see him warming up at all last night? I saw him in the pre-match warm up, but can't remember him warming up on the side lines or at half time? He wasn’t i was trying to work out who the missing sub was at half time cause i assumed they were coming on. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Sept 25, 2024 11:14:01 GMT 1
Not Hogg bashing here, but did anyone see him warming up at all last night? I saw him in the pre-match warm up, but can't remember him warming up on the side lines or at half time? He wasn’t i was trying to work out who the missing sub was at half time cause i assumed they were coming on. I was going to post the same about warming up during the game (down the touchline) and at half time. I said to someone next to me that I thought he was coming on at the start of the second half because he wasn't warming up with the rest of the subs. Was he not fit enough to play (and he wasn't mentioned as being injured)? or did they tell him that he wasn't coming on whatever the circumstances (which would be very strange)? Either way there was something weird about him not doing any warm up work. |
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Post by Sparrow on Sept 25, 2024 11:23:59 GMT 1
He wasn’t i was trying to work out who the missing sub was at half time cause i assumed they were coming on. I was going to post the same about warming up during the game (down the touchline) and at half time. I said to someone next to me that I thought he was coming on at the start of the second half because he wasn't warming up with the rest of the subs. Was he not fit enough to play (and he wasn't mentioned as being injured)? or did they tell him that he wasn't coming on whatever the circumstances (which would be very strange)? Either way there was something weird about him not doing any warm up work. I can only think that as club captain, Duff wanted him in the dressing room at HT to say something to the team. But to not do any warming up during the match, is very strange. Even players who have been accused of being bad eggs, having bad attitudes or wanting moves away from the club, have warmed up during the matches. So why was out club captain not doing it? |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 25, 2024 11:25:25 GMT 1
I was going to post the same about warming up during the game (down the touchline) and at half time. I said to someone next to me that I thought he was coming on at the start of the second half because he wasn't warming up with the rest of the subs. Was he not fit enough to play (and he wasn't mentioned as being injured)? or did they tell him that he wasn't coming on whatever the circumstances (which would be very strange)? Either way there was something weird about him not doing any warm up work. I can only think that as club captain, Duff wanted him in the dressing room at HT to say something to the team. But to not do any warming up during the match, is very strange. Even players who have been accused of being bad eggs, having bad attitudes or wanting moves away from the club, have warmed up during the matches. So why was out club captain not doing it? Pulled his groin in the warm up. Maybe nobody else was around to take his place on the bench. |
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Post by Sparrow on Sept 25, 2024 11:35:12 GMT 1
I can only think that as club captain, Duff wanted him in the dressing room at HT to say something to the team. But to not do any warming up during the match, is very strange. Even players who have been accused of being bad eggs, having bad attitudes or wanting moves away from the club, have warmed up during the matches. So why was out club captain not doing it? Pulled his groin in the warm up. Maybe nobody else was around to take his place on the bench. Really....FFS!!!! |
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Post by royrace on Sept 25, 2024 11:54:33 GMT 1
Pulled his groin in the warm up. Maybe nobody else was around to take his place on the bench. Really....FFS!!!! Joking hopefully?! If not are we allowed to question the fitness team yet? Also can we now agree that playing Hogg isn't the issue?! Some on here seemed to think it was all down to him being in the team, laughable really and obviously proven wrong. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 25, 2024 12:08:57 GMT 1
I can only think that as club captain, Duff wanted him in the dressing room at HT to say something to the team. But to not do any warming up during the match, is very strange. Even players who have been accused of being bad eggs, having bad attitudes or wanting moves away from the club, have warmed up during the matches. So why was out club captain not doing it? Pulled his groin in the warm up. Maybe nobody else was around to take his place on the bench. Correct. As confirmed in Chicken’s Five Conclusions which are a very interesting read. |
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Post by Detective Boyle on Sept 25, 2024 12:13:03 GMT 1
“Maybe Hogg and Ward are not as bad as many like to make out.”
How many times am I going to read shite like this? We are equally bad when they are in the team. The answer isn’t Hogg and Ward. The answer is signing better alternatives to them.
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Post by Amigo on Sept 25, 2024 12:38:05 GMT 1
I honestly can't think of anything Hogg would have done that Hodge didn't last night, he was our best player. What he did do was put himself in position to receive a pass and play forward.
They danced round us all over the pitch most of their attacks came nowhere near Hodge the ball was already wide by the time it came near his area in front of the 3 so I can't see Hogg would have done any different in that respect.
Duff needs to list his best players and come up with a system for them.
Changing players for one system clearly isn't working, everyone else seems to be able to see it but it seems Duff doesn't want to admit being wrong.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Sept 25, 2024 12:43:36 GMT 1
“Maybe Hogg and Ward are not as bad as many like to make out.” How many times am I going to read shite like this? We are equally bad when they are in the team. The answer isn’t Hogg and Ward. The answer is signing better alternatives to them. With respect (NOW you know you're in trouble!😉), I think you are missing the point here. I don't think anyone is suggesting that Hoggy and/or Danny the goal machine Ward are "the answer" either short, or long term. They are both senior professionals who have seen better days, but both of whom may just be as good, if not better, than the players that have been brought in. The End |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 25, 2024 13:00:31 GMT 1
I honestly can't think of anything Hogg would have done that Hodge didn't last night, he was our best player. What he did do was put himself in position to receive a pass and play forward. They danced round us all over the pitch most of their attacks came nowhere near Hodge the ball was already wide by the time it came near his area in front of the 3 so I can't see Hogg would have done any different in that respect. Duff needs to list his best players and come up with a system for them. Changing players for one system clearly isn't working, everyone else seems to be able to see it but it seems Duff doesn't want to admit being wrong. Thought Hodge looked lively enough with the ball without really creating much. Hogg gives you a bit more steel when we dont have it though, but more than anything he'd have given us some on-field leadership which we certainly looked to be badly lacking in that game. He have had a bloody sore throat this morning with the amount of bollocking he'd have done! |
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Post by royrace on Sept 25, 2024 13:08:03 GMT 1
Pulled his groin in the warm up. Maybe nobody else was around to take his place on the bench. Correct. As confirmed in Chicken’s Five Conclusions which are a very interesting read. FFS, surely questions have to be asked of the people whose job it is to avoid players getting injured all the time? |
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Post by SacTown on Sept 25, 2024 13:11:11 GMT 1
Correct. As confirmed in Chicken’s Five Conclusions which are a very interesting read. FFS, surely questions have to be asked of the people whose job it is to avoid players getting injured all the time? Last two-three seasons he's been injured too often, he was always the player who was available for selection come rain or shine. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 25, 2024 13:11:44 GMT 1
Correct. As confirmed in Chicken’s Five Conclusions which are a very interesting read. FFS, surely questions have to be asked of the people whose job it is to avoid players getting injured all the time? It’s a weekly occurrence isn’t it. |
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Post by Amigo on Sept 25, 2024 14:14:10 GMT 1
I honestly can't think of anything Hogg would have done that Hodge didn't last night, he was our best player. What he did do was put himself in position to receive a pass and play forward. They danced round us all over the pitch most of their attacks came nowhere near Hodge the ball was already wide by the time it came near his area in front of the 3 so I can't see Hogg would have done any different in that respect. Duff needs to list his best players and come up with a system for them. Changing players for one system clearly isn't working, everyone else seems to be able to see it but it seems Duff doesn't want to admit being wrong. Thought Hodge looked lively enough with the ball without really creating much. Hogg gives you a bit more steel when we dont have it though, but more than anything he'd have given us some on-field leadership which we certainly looked to be badly lacking in that game. He have had a bloody sore throat this morning with the amount of bollocking he'd have done! The steel and leadership he showed against Northampton when we're 3-0 down when he got took off? The leadership he showed that when Helik made a massive error his reaction was to put his head down and walk off? Or at Rotherham when we took the lead with 15 mins to go and fell apart? The steel he showed to waft a half arsed leg to allow them to get the winner? Or at Walsall when we were 2-0 and just needed to stay organised and keep our cool to see the game out? Our biggest problem is we don't have a leader in the squad and haven't for a while. |
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Post by Jimuano on Sept 25, 2024 14:18:37 GMT 1
Thought Hodge looked lively enough with the ball without really creating much. Hogg gives you a bit more steel when we dont have it though, but more than anything he'd have given us some on-field leadership which we certainly looked to be badly lacking in that game. He have had a bloody sore throat this morning with the amount of bollocking he'd have done! The steel and leadership he showed against Northampton when we're 3-0 down when he got took off? The leadership he showed that when Helik made a massive error his reaction was to put his head down and walk off? Or at Rotherham when we took the lead with 15 mins to go and fell apart? The steel he showed to waft a half arsed leg to allow them to get the winner? Or at Walsall when we were 2-0 and just needed to stay organised and keep our cool to see the game out? Our biggest problem is we don't have a leader in the squad and haven't for a while. Without a doubt, all of the above is Hogg's fault  |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 25, 2024 14:25:02 GMT 1
“Maybe Hogg and Ward are not as bad as many like to make out.” How many times am I going to read shite like this? We are equally bad when they are in the team. The answer isn’t Hogg and Ward. The answer is signing better alternatives to them. With respect (NOW you know you're in trouble!😉), I think you are missing the point here. I don't think anyone is suggesting that Hoggy and/or Danny the goal machine Ward are "the answer" either short, or long term. They are both senior professionals who have seen better days, but both of whom may just be as good, if not better, than the players that have been brought in. The End Hear Hear |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 25, 2024 14:42:02 GMT 1
Thought Hodge looked lively enough with the ball without really creating much. Hogg gives you a bit more steel when we dont have it though, but more than anything he'd have given us some on-field leadership which we certainly looked to be badly lacking in that game. He have had a bloody sore throat this morning with the amount of bollocking he'd have done! The steel and leadership he showed against Northampton when we're 3-0 down when he got took off? The leadership he showed that when Helik made a massive error his reaction was to put his head down and walk off? Or at Rotherham when we took the lead with 15 mins to go and fell apart? The steel he showed to waft a half arsed leg to allow them to get the winner? Or at Walsall when we were 2-0 and just needed to stay organised and keep our cool to see the game out? Our biggest problem is we don't have a leader in the squad and haven't for a while. Sometimes it isnt enough. Last night I think the players looked really confused and his leadership would have helped. No one player can stop bad things happening so if youre wanting to blame everything thats gone wrong on Hogg's leadership youre kidding yourself. I just think having our most experienced player out there would have helped when right from the off we looked all over the place. Experience like knowing that laying into helik after that OG wouldn't have helped the player at all!! |
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Post by katiemterrier27 on Sept 25, 2024 14:59:13 GMT 1
The General talk about a stupid name who thinks these up. Town are good at all the unimportant media and art stuff and crap at what really matters winning games. When will they wake up, menstrual club of the year and a nice mural of an average at best player will not prevent another relegation. Hang on though Katie, he has been loyal, so have I but there is not a big mural of me outside my work place. This is so reminiscent of the Giants another club that talks big but fails to produce consistently. it’s so strange to have a shrine for a current player who hasn’t even been that good. It almost proves that they only listen to the happy clappers who think Hogg is still as good as he ever was. When you consider some of the actual club legends at town as well it seems like an absolute joke. Chapman, smith, Stephenson, brown, glazzard, boothy etc. Agree I would add to that list Marcus Stewart and a few others. I think legends tend to be consistent and honouring someone with a mural should not be a long service award. As for the general who thought that up, says it all about the ongoing detachment from reality. |
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Post by Amigo on Sept 25, 2024 15:23:04 GMT 1
The steel and leadership he showed against Northampton when we're 3-0 down when he got took off? The leadership he showed that when Helik made a massive error his reaction was to put his head down and walk off? Or at Rotherham when we took the lead with 15 mins to go and fell apart? The steel he showed to waft a half arsed leg to allow them to get the winner? Or at Walsall when we were 2-0 and just needed to stay organised and keep our cool to see the game out? Our biggest problem is we don't have a leader in the squad and haven't for a while. Sometimes it isnt enough. Last night I think the players looked really confused and his leadership would have helped. No one player can stop bad things happening so if youre wanting to blame everything thats gone wrong on Hogg's leadership youre kidding yourself. I just think having our most experienced player out there would have helped when right from the off we looked all over the place. Experience like knowing that laying into helik after that OG wouldn't have helped the player at all!! You've completely changed what I've said there. I haven't blamed everything on Hogg, he didn't play last night. I have said I don't think he has any leadership because we fold whether he's playing or not so he doesn't make a difference. I said we have no leadership in the squad. Which we don't. Not one player in that squad could calm a team down and give out useful instructions when things are going wrong. Laying in to a player is NOT leadership or experience, walking off with your head down is not leadership or experience either, as a captain it's petulant to just ignore it. Telling the player to forget it and keep his head up because it's one error, we're only one goal down with most of the match to play and getting the team back to doing the basics right to get back in the game is leadership. He showed and has shown absolutely none of that. |
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Post by Sparrow on Sept 25, 2024 15:39:58 GMT 1
The steel and leadership he showed against Northampton when we're 3-0 down when he got took off? The leadership he showed that when Helik made a massive error his reaction was to put his head down and walk off? Or at Rotherham when we took the lead with 15 mins to go and fell apart? The steel he showed to waft a half arsed leg to allow them to get the winner? Or at Walsall when we were 2-0 and just needed to stay organised and keep our cool to see the game out? Our biggest problem is we don't have a leader in the squad and haven't for a while. Sometimes it isnt enough. Last night I think the players looked really confused and his leadership would have helped. No one player can stop bad things happening so if youre wanting to blame everything thats gone wrong on Hogg's leadership youre kidding yourself. I just think having our most experienced player out there would have helped when right from the off we looked all over the place. Experience like knowing that laying into helik after that OG wouldn't have helped the player at all!!The thing is, if you look back at the own goal, the first thing Hogg does after Helik's own goal is bollock him, with his arms up in the air having a go. www.htafc.com/videos/400d62db-9e29-451a-97ea-91b1b9109e90And for the second goal he immediately has a moan at Lees Not showing much leadership there or a 'rallying of the troops' attitude. I've never actually seen him try and give his team mates confidence or get them going in adversity. The only one who seems to try is Nicholls. Hogg is massively over-rated as a leader in my opinion (which of course if worth nothing in the grand scheme of things). In terms of his experience. Yes he has over 500 games under his belt. But there was a lot of experience on the pitch last night. Lees has over 600 games, Nicholls over 400, Helik and Ladapo over 300, Koroma, Kane, Sorrenson, Wiles & Evans over 200. Well over 3,000 matches between them. We were just shit, very shit. We'd have still been very shit with Hogg on the pitch. Just like we were against Northampton. |
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Post by detox on Sept 25, 2024 15:57:49 GMT 1
Not so much a General as a Sgt Major...good at bawling out the guys but not so hot on the overall strategy.
Hogg appears to me to be a 'lad'..the fact he's joined in the wrist kissing, the arms up to Allah when entering the pitch tells me something about him.. I've no doubt as to his commitment to the cause, but a leader of men he is not.
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Post by mosher on Sept 25, 2024 16:13:17 GMT 1
Not so much a General as a Sgt Major...good at bawling out the guys but not so hot on the overall strategy. Hogg appears to me to be a 'lad'..the fact he's joined in the wrist kissing, the arms up to Allah when entering the pitch tells me something about him.. I've no doubt as to his commitment to the cause, but a leader of men he is not. It's not just an Allah thing, Christians do it too. Fk knows why they all do it though, not like a belief in a deity helps you play better. Especially our players  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 25, 2024 16:16:13 GMT 1
Sometimes it isnt enough. Last night I think the players looked really confused and his leadership would have helped. No one player can stop bad things happening so if youre wanting to blame everything thats gone wrong on Hogg's leadership youre kidding yourself. I just think having our most experienced player out there would have helped when right from the off we looked all over the place. Experience like knowing that laying into helik after that OG wouldn't have helped the player at all!! You've completely changed what I've said there. I haven't blamed everything on Hogg, he didn't play last night. I have said I don't think he has any leadership because we fold whether he's playing or not so he doesn't make a difference. I said we have no leadership in the squad. Which we don't. Not one player in that squad could calm a team down and give out useful instructions when things are going wrong. Laying in to a player is NOT leadership or experience, walking off with your head down is not leadership or experience either, as a captain it's petulant to just ignore it. Telling the player to forget it and keep his head up because it's one error, we're only one goal down with most of the match to play and getting the team back to doing the basics right to get back in the game is leadership. He showed and has shown absolutely none of that. Heliks an experienced international, senior player..you really think he needs the captain to have a comforting word after a mistake like that? A younger player, yes, but helik wont need or particularly appreciate that. If youre going to say Hoggs leadership didnt help every time some game went badly, you have to also suggest it DID help whenever it didnt go badly surely? Weve won games without playing that well this season..so maybe that was down to Hoggs leadership? You thinking he hasnt got any leadership goes against every comment ive ever heard from his team mates over many many seasons and every one of the long list of managers who've made him their captain. |
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