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Post by kennyk2 on Feb 4, 2024 12:34:17 GMT 1
The really good news for him is that we're sponsored by The Eyedoctors.
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Post by pterrier on Feb 4, 2024 12:44:09 GMT 1
Very early days but to even say he did ‘ok’ or ‘played well’ is just nonsense; he was terrible and if Ward or Hudlin had played like that they’d be getting right pelters. Lost every single header, didn’t get near them in terms of closing down or running onto loose balls. Seemed to run into bizarre areas when we tried to counter and when balls came into the box he was on his heals. Some of those things can be due to a lack of understanding or chemistry with team mates but things like closing down, anticipation and toughness should be a bit more natural.
Should we right him off? No
Should we call a poor performance, a poor performance? Yes
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 4, 2024 12:45:33 GMT 1
Put it this way - he’s definitely not a warnock type of player . I don’t think he’d play again for warnock after yesterday
So if this the profile offered to NW by cartright you can see why he wanted to hold the transfer purse
He reminded me of Phil jevons
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Post by goodbet on Feb 4, 2024 12:59:16 GMT 1
I'd be more inclined to make an assessment when we actually develop some discernible patterns of play in the opponent's half. Good point, but DM had 20 odd games and could not find a discernible pattern of play. |
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Post by utttrooper on Feb 4, 2024 13:16:56 GMT 1
Very early days but to even say he did ‘ok’ or ‘played well’ is just nonsense; he was terrible and if Ward or Hudlin had played like that they’d be getting right pelters. Lost every single header, didn’t get near them in terms of closing down or running onto loose balls. Seemed to run into bizarre areas when we tried to counter and when balls came into the box he was on his heals. Some of those things can be due to a lack of understanding or chemistry with team mates but things like closing down, anticipation and toughness should be a bit more natural. Should we right him off? No Should we call a poor performance, a poor performance? Yes When he gets up to pace I think he'll be really good. I also don't think the old fashioned number 9 role suits him. He looks better when he's brought on late in games against tired defences so he has space and the ball can be played to his feet and he can lay it off like Kasumu's chance against Blackburn. When he gets up to pace hopefully he'll be able to find spaces like that earlier in games and hopefully will fit better in the team and do so more cohesively |
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Post by impact on Feb 4, 2024 13:29:22 GMT 1
If he hasn't broken his cheek I would not bother with him in the next game. He went down twice from a nothing challenge and generally offered nothing throughout the game. Him going off was the best thing that happened to us today. Nothing challenge ? He got punched in the face from someone built like a heavyweight boxer. He got an open hand off with little force. Not even close to a punch. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Feb 4, 2024 13:44:29 GMT 1
On that QPR game, one of the times he went down it was because the QPR CB went right through him with a shoulder to the back and no intent to play the ball, only eyes for “welcoming” Bojan. It was definitely a yellow card and the ref didn’t even give a foul. I’d say he’s getting some rough treatment with zero protection from the refs. He’ll get there, but will take time. He went up for a header and Clarke-Salter just charged into his back. Should’ve been a yellow and gave QPR the green light to kick us all over the park. |
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Post by Uddersfield on Feb 4, 2024 13:47:50 GMT 1
Quite disappointed with his performance. Got bullied all game and then complained when things got physical. Hopefully a big learning curve for him.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 4, 2024 13:56:05 GMT 1
On that QPR game, one of the times he went down it was because the QPR CB went right through him with a shoulder to the back and no intent to play the ball, only eyes for “welcoming” Bojan. It was definitely a yellow card and the ref didn’t even give a foul. I’d say he’s getting some rough treatment with zero protection from the refs. He’ll get there, but will take time. Sadly for him he needs to get used to getting roughed up Every team we play will be doing detailed scouting and analysis on us ahead of games and our players From the games to date it would appear if you put an early marker or two on this lad he'll wilt. Seasoned Championship defenders will be out to rough him now. It's whether he has it it in him to stand up to it and give a bit back because he's not exactly a small bloke either It's very early so he could become the next Jutkiewicz who initially looked soft but has had a very good career. Here's hoping |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 4, 2024 14:16:33 GMT 1
Nothing challenge ? He got punched in the face from someone built like a heavyweight boxer. He got an open hand off with little force. Not even close to a punch. Looked it, from where I was sat. Deliberate too. |
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Post by frankslegs on Feb 4, 2024 14:28:28 GMT 1
Glennon says give him some time .
I agree.
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Post by utttrooper on Feb 4, 2024 14:31:05 GMT 1
Glennon says give him some time . I agree. Healey seems to be in the same boat. They just need to get used to the system we play and with the rest of the squad |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Feb 4, 2024 14:52:56 GMT 1
On that QPR game, one of the times he went down it was because the QPR CB went right through him with a shoulder to the back and no intent to play the ball, only eyes for “welcoming” Bojan. It was definitely a yellow card and the ref didn’t even give a foul. I’d say he’s getting some rough treatment with zero protection from the refs. He’ll get there, but will take time. He went up for a header and Clarke-Salter just charged into his back. Should’ve been a yellow and gave QPR the green light to kick us all over the park. That’s the one, was more an assault than a roughing up. Got him while he was coming down from already winning the header and just launched into his back, the whiplash he copped was awful. Eyes squarely on hurting him. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Feb 4, 2024 14:54:42 GMT 1
On that QPR game, one of the times he went down it was because the QPR CB went right through him with a shoulder to the back and no intent to play the ball, only eyes for “welcoming” Bojan. It was definitely a yellow card and the ref didn’t even give a foul. I’d say he’s getting some rough treatment with zero protection from the refs. He’ll get there, but will take time. Sadly for him he needs to get used to getting roughed up Every team we play will be doing detailed scouting and analysis on us ahead of games and our players From the games to date it would appear if you put an early marker or two on this lad he'll wilt. Seasoned Championship defenders will be out to rough him now. It's whether he has it it in him to stand up to it and give a bit back because he's not exactly a small bloke either It's very early so he could become the next Jutkiewicz who initially looked soft but has had a very good career. Here's hoping As my last post, it was an assault as opposed to roughing the lad up. Ref bottled it, but he was a shite ref so I’m not surprised. Gave yellows for nothing and then missed challenges like this. |
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Post by ACW on Feb 4, 2024 15:02:12 GMT 1
Some Town fans want every centre forward to be a big, strong target man that wins headers and roughs up opposition defenders. Anyone that deviates from this 70s/80s stereotype is seen as "soft" or not up to the physical challenge.
If Radulovic's strength is on the floor, then play the ball into his feet! Don't expect him to challenge for high ball after high ball if that's not his game. We wouldn't expect Boothy to sprint onto through balls, so why expect Bojan to do things he's not comfortable doing?
I am not saying he shouldn't adapt to the more physical league he is now playing in, or work on his weaknesses, but we need to play to his strengths.
Moore was rightly criticised for playing players out of position and not using them properly. We can't expect to see the best of Radulovic if we don't play to his strengths or use him properly. Otherwise we are making the same mistakes as Moore.
We also need to give him some time to adapt to a new team/league.
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Post by thomo on Feb 4, 2024 15:04:53 GMT 1
Glennon says give him some time . I agree. Healey seems to be in the same boat. They just need to get used to the system we play and with the rest of the squad We needed both of them to hit the ground running really. Keiffer Moore scored in his first game yesterday so goes to show good players should settle in quickly. Hoping to see them both influence the game next week if fit. |
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Feb 4, 2024 15:19:46 GMT 1
Bojan looked quality against Blackburn. He was really poor yesterday. The bit that disappointed me was when he didn’t get across his man for a great sorba cross second half, the way Pearson got ahead of his man for the first.
Clear he’s not going to be a bulldozing number 9 after yesterday, but he can drop off and link up. Needs to be more aggressive and a bit nasty because he’s going to be in a battle every game.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Feb 4, 2024 15:20:54 GMT 1
Healey seems to be in the same boat. They just need to get used to the system we play and with the rest of the squad We needed both of them to hit the ground running really. Keiffer Moore scored in his first game yesterday so goes to show good players should settle in quickly. Hoping to see them both influence the game next week if fit. One has played 10+ years of English league football and the other is pretty much getting his English league career underway. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Feb 4, 2024 16:04:40 GMT 1
Some Town fans want every centre forward to be a big, strong target man that wins headers and roughs up opposition defenders. Anyone that deviates from this 70s/80s stereotype is seen as "soft" or not up to the physical challenge. Really? Can’t say I agree. Town fans want a goal scorer. We’ve waited long enough. Someone to get them off their seats. I can’t remember the last really physical Town striker you’re talking about. Ward works hard and look how much stick he gets. Booth/Beckett, maybe James Vaughan to some extent. Holt briefly. Mounie was a bigger lad and can’t say he was a firm Town fan favourite Our most successful strikers since….Rhodes, Grant, Stewart, Wells were either exceptional finishers, intelligent footballers or had a bit of pace about them. Radulovic needs time to settle in of course, he’s young and not played regularly at this level but looks quite some way off it currently bearing in mind the last 2 games have been against 2 of the bottom 3. There no sign of pace. No sign of physicality, minimal ability to hold up the ball even when it’s come to him on the floor so he’s going to have to be exceptionally good at link play and being in the right place in the box. Maybe he’ll flourish against teams more likely to attack us. Be interested to know how much we paid for him |
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Post by thomo on Feb 4, 2024 16:06:10 GMT 1
We needed both of them to hit the ground running really. Keiffer Moore scored in his first game yesterday so goes to show good players should settle in quickly. Hoping to see them both influence the game next week if fit. One has played 10+ years of English league football and the other is pretty much getting his English league career underway. To be fair it doesn't matter. Our recruitment team knew our needs. We couldn't / can't afford these players to start slow. You can only assume Cartwright saw something in both of them that suggested they could make the transition pretty quickly. The next few weeks will tell us either way I guess |
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Post by ACW on Feb 4, 2024 16:10:48 GMT 1
Some Town fans want every centre forward to be a big, strong target man that wins headers and roughs up opposition defenders. Anyone that deviates from this 70s/80s stereotype is seen as "soft" or not up to the physical challenge. Really? Can’t say I agree. Town fans want a goal scorer. We’ve waited long enough. Someone to get them off their seats. I can’t remember the last really physical Town striker you’re talking about. Ward works hard and look how much stick he gets. Booth/Beckett, maybe James Vaughan to some extent. Holt briefly. Mounie was a bigger lad and can’t say he was a firm Town fan favourite Our most successful strikers since….Rhodes, Grant, Wells were either exceptional finishers or had a bit of pace about them. Radulovic needs time to settle in of course, he’s young and not played regularly at this level but looks quite some way off it currently bearing in mind the last 2 games have been against 2 of the bottom 3. There no sign of pace. No sign of physicality, minimal ability to hold up the ball even when it’s come to him on the floor so he’s going to have to be exceptionally good at link play and being in the right place in the box. Maybe he’ll flourish against teams more likely to attack us. Be interested to know how much we paid for him I said some - but by no means all - Town fans seem to want a physical target man and don't appreciate those that deviate from a 70s/80s stereotype. They don't seem to appreciate those will different skill sets, unless they score lots of goals. I didn't say that is the type of player we've had playing for us recently. You've misread my post. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Feb 4, 2024 16:16:23 GMT 1
Really? Can’t say I agree. Town fans want a goal scorer. We’ve waited long enough. Someone to get them off their seats. I can’t remember the last really physical Town striker you’re talking about. Ward works hard and look how much stick he gets. Booth/Beckett, maybe James Vaughan to some extent. Holt briefly. Mounie was a bigger lad and can’t say he was a firm Town fan favourite Our most successful strikers since….Rhodes, Grant, Wells were either exceptional finishers or had a bit of pace about them. Radulovic needs time to settle in of course, he’s young and not played regularly at this level but looks quite some way off it currently bearing in mind the last 2 games have been against 2 of the bottom 3. There no sign of pace. No sign of physicality, minimal ability to hold up the ball even when it’s come to him on the floor so he’s going to have to be exceptionally good at link play and being in the right place in the box. Maybe he’ll flourish against teams more likely to attack us. Be interested to know how much we paid for him I said some - but by no means all - Town fans seem to want a physical target man and don't appreciate those that deviate from a 70s/80s stereotype. They don't seem to appreciate those will different skill sets, unless they score lots of goals. I didn't say that is the type of player we've had playing for us recently. You've misread my post. I still disagree. I’d imagine those “some” fans would happily swap a physical presence for a goal scorer/pacey threat if it benefitted the team. We’ve just had so few with any specific threat for so many years now due to lack of investment |
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Post by htafcdreams on Feb 4, 2024 23:44:34 GMT 1
Unfortunately Rhodes looked better at holding up the ball and winning headers than Healey or Radulovic.
Ward sadly can’t be considered as an option with injury prone body.
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Post by htfcterry on Feb 5, 2024 7:35:15 GMT 1
Bojan looked quality against Blackburn. He was really poor yesterday. The bit that disappointed me was when he didn’t get across his man for a great sorba cross second half, the way Pearson got ahead of his man for the first. Clear he’s not going to be a bulldozing number 9 after yesterday, but he can drop off and link up. Needs to be more aggressive and a bit nasty because he’s going to be in a battle every game. To be fair, that was in between the first and second time he went down. He could have already been injured at that point, I thought the same myself at the time. |
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 5, 2024 8:01:05 GMT 1
Very early days but to even say he did ‘ok’ or ‘played well’ is just nonsense; he was terrible and if Ward or Hudlin had played like that they’d be getting right pelters. Lost every single header, didn’t get near them in terms of closing down or running onto loose balls. Seemed to run into bizarre areas when we tried to counter and when balls came into the box he was on his heals. Some of those things can be due to a lack of understanding or chemistry with team mates but things like closing down, anticipation and toughness should be a bit more natural. Should we right him off? No Should we call a poor performance, a poor performance? Yes When he gets up to pace I think he'll be really good. I also don't think the old fashioned number 9 role suits him. He looks better when he's brought on late in games against tired defences so he has space and the ball can be played to his feet and he can lay it off like Kasumu's chance against Blackburn. When he gets up to pace hopefully he'll be able to find spaces like that earlier in games and hopefully will fit better in the team and do so more cohesively ‘He’ll be alright if we only play him when the opposition are knackered’ isn’t the best news! |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Feb 5, 2024 8:13:21 GMT 1
Unfortunately Rhodes looked better at holding up the ball and winning headers than Healey or Radulovic. Ward sadly can’t be considered as an option with injury prone body. Rhodes didn't look any sort of option at all in his entire 2nd spell with us - under any manager. |
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Post by Amigo on Feb 5, 2024 8:58:35 GMT 1
Healey seems to be in the same boat. They just need to get used to the system we play and with the rest of the squad We needed both of them to hit the ground running really. Keiffer Moore scored in his first game yesterday so goes to show good players should settle in quickly. Hoping to see them both influence the game next week if fit. Keiffer Moore who already has over 130 Championship games and 6 seasons in the same league behind him? Yeah that seems a fair comparison... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 9:05:17 GMT 1
Nothing challenge ? He got punched in the face from someone built like a heavyweight boxer. He got an open hand off with little force. Not even close to a punch. Then why did the medical guys take so long with him? He got smacked in the face by a big strong bloke. This is what happens to players who join us, some posters decide they aren’t good enough and everything they do gets criticised. It’s about time players were allowed to settle and adjust, especially if it is to a new, and much tougher, league and a new country, and you can add to that the manager changing within a couple of games. Can we please back off and let the lad settle. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 9:10:28 GMT 1
Put it this way - he’s definitely not a warnock type of player . I don’t think he’d play again for warnock after yesterday So if this the profile offered to NW by cartright you can see why he wanted to hold the transfer purse He reminded me of Phil jevons Yes, we could have had another Danny Ward. Runs a lot, doesn’t score many and injured for long periods. We definitely need more of those. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 9:41:28 GMT 1
He got an open hand off with little force. Not even close to a punch. Then why did the medical guys take so long with him? He got smacked in the face by a big strong bloke. This is what happens to players who join us, some posters decide they aren’t good enough and everything they do gets criticised. It’s about time players were allowed to settle and adjust, especially if it is to a new, and much tougher, league and a new country, and you can add to that the manager changing within a couple of games. Can we please back off and let the lad settle. Agreed, although our needs are rather urgent and we clearly required strikers to pretty much hit the ground running. I think it's fair to say Wiles has pretty much been written off by most fans after a dreadful first half + season, albeit with the caveat that he may benefit from a pre season. Then, after an excellent hour or so on saturday, he could be the new Aaron Mooy! |
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