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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 5, 2024 10:12:27 GMT 1
Put it this way - he’s definitely not a warnock type of player . I don’t think he’d play again for warnock after yesterday So if this the profile offered to NW by cartright you can see why he wanted to hold the transfer purse He reminded me of Phil jevons Yes, we could have had another Danny Ward. Runs a lot, doesn’t score many and injured for long periods. We definitely need more of those. Rather him than a lad that barely runs, loses every header (not even trying to compete for the ball too often) and was completely in the pocket of the Wednesday defender the entire time he was on the pitch Im sure he will get better but honestly he did nothing at all good on Saturday - literally nothing |
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Post by impact on Feb 5, 2024 10:20:38 GMT 1
He got an open hand off with little force. Not even close to a punch. Then why did the medical guys take so long with him? He got smacked in the face by a big strong bloke. This is what happens to players who join us, some posters decide they aren’t good enough and everything they do gets criticised. It’s about time players were allowed to settle and adjust, especially if it is to a new, and much tougher, league and a new country, and you can add to that the manager changing within a couple of games. Can we please back off and let the lad settle. Maybe he's broken his cheek or he's concussed and will be forced out of the next game. Or maybe he was just a bit soft in what was a physical game. It sure as hell wasn't a punch. If that was Danny Ward you'd rightfully have people giving him pelters. I don't care how long he's been here, IMO he simply didn't fancy it on Saturday. It was a poor performance throughout from him and there was nothing effort-wise to make up for it. |
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Post by royrace on Feb 5, 2024 10:22:46 GMT 1
He went up for a header and Clarke-Salter just charged into his back. Should’ve been a yellow and gave QPR the green light to kick us all over the park. That’s the one, was more an assault than a roughing up. Got him while he was coming down from already winning the header and just launched into his back, the whiplash he copped was awful. Eyes squarely on hurting him. Yes it was clearly deliberate and designed to nullify him. Makes you wonder if the opposition are aware he's a bit soft and will target him. Hopefully our big lads can rough him up in training so he's used to it. Will only get worse after Saturdays performance. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2024 10:37:18 GMT 1
Then why did the medical guys take so long with him? He got smacked in the face by a big strong bloke. This is what happens to players who join us, some posters decide they aren’t good enough and everything they do gets criticised. It’s about time players were allowed to settle and adjust, especially if it is to a new, and much tougher, league and a new country, and you can add to that the manager changing within a couple of games. Can we please back off and let the lad settle. Agreed, although our needs are rather urgent and we clearly required strikers to pretty much hit the ground running. I think it's fair to say Wiles has pretty much been written off by most fans after a dreadful first half + season, albeit with the caveat that he may benefit from a pre season. Then, after an excellent hour or so on saturday, he could be the new Aaron Mooy! They all need time. It is a big change for Bojan and the whole team need to find a way to play together. Just because he isn’t a big bruiser of a centre forward doesn’t mean he won’t score goals for us. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Feb 5, 2024 11:13:26 GMT 1
That’s the one, was more an assault than a roughing up. Got him while he was coming down from already winning the header and just launched into his back, the whiplash he copped was awful. Eyes squarely on hurting him. Yes it was clearly deliberate and designed to nullify him. Makes you wonder if the opposition are aware he's a bit soft and will target him. Hopefully our big lads can rough him up in training so he's used to it. Will only get worse after Saturdays performance. Think it’s the standard in England and Scotland, the new players from foreign leagues are often tested early on to see if they are up for it. Usually the refs let it go, but if that was on an established championship player, the foul would have been awarded. |
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Post by goodbet on Feb 5, 2024 11:14:43 GMT 1
Unfortunately Rhodes looked better at holding up the ball and winning headers than Healey or Radulovic. Ward sadly can’t be considered as an option with injury prone body. Rhodes didn't look any sort of option at all in his entire 2nd spell with us - under any manager. I think that is a little harsh and I am not a fan of Ward. We did get one good season out of him, the best of his career, but we should never have resigned him or any of the other ex Town players we wasted money on. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 5, 2024 11:43:29 GMT 1
Yes it was clearly deliberate and designed to nullify him. Makes you wonder if the opposition are aware he's a bit soft and will target him. Hopefully our big lads can rough him up in training so he's used to it. Will only get worse after Saturdays performance. Think it’s the standard in England and Scotland, the new players from foreign leagues are often tested early on to see if they are up for it. Usually the refs let it go, but if that was on an established championship player, the foul would have been awarded. I don't think it's that deep I doubt in a split second the ref thinks - oh that's clear foul but hang on it's on the new signing so I won't blow for that one I'm not the refs biggest fan but I do think they call it as it they see it I think the only time a ref is influenced is when the opposing manager is a big name and has the ability to make the ref "the story" in the media if they get it wrong. The bigger clubs use this advantage all the time in my view |
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 5, 2024 12:59:02 GMT 1
I think the idea is to build a squad of players where we have a number of goal scorers, rather than having 1 or 2 main goal scorers.
We've now got Bojan & Healey. Plus Koroma. If we can sign Burgzorg that gives us 4 players that should each be able to get well into double figures every season.
Add in both Thomas & Rudini who, in a more attacking team, should be able to score 8+ each.
We've then got the likes of Helik, Balker, Pearson and Lees who can get goals from set pieces.
Plus there's others in the squad, such as Headley and Wiles that can also chip in with a few goals here and there.
All in all that should be a team and a squad that is capable of scoring a lot of goals between them throughout a season.....Just need the correct Head Coach to get them playing in a way that creates the opportunities.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Feb 5, 2024 13:32:01 GMT 1
Think it’s the standard in England and Scotland, the new players from foreign leagues are often tested early on to see if they are up for it. Usually the refs let it go, but if that was on an established championship player, the foul would have been awarded. I don't think it's that deep I doubt in a split second the ref thinks - oh that's clear foul but hang on it's on the new signing so I won't blow for that one I'm not the refs biggest fan but I do think they call it as it they see it I think the only time a ref is influenced is when the opposing manager is a big name and has the ability to make the ref "the story" in the media if they get it wrong. The bigger clubs use this advantage all the time in my view I get what you are saying, but it’s also about the respect a player has from the ref. Keiffer Moore gets respect from the ref because they’ve been around the block and are familiar to them (probably shaken hands multiple times etc). It’s essentially paying your dues, why do you think the likes of Bannan can ref a game and others can’t? He’s been around awhile and the refs know them, it’s the same as your manager example. |
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Post by benhomly on Feb 5, 2024 13:53:28 GMT 1
Yes, we could have had another Danny Ward. Runs a lot, doesn’t score many and injured for long periods. We definitely need more of those. Rather him than a lad that barely runs, loses every header (not even trying to compete for the ball too often) and was completely in the pocket of the Wednesday defender the entire time he was on the pitch Im sure he will get better but honestly he did nothing at all good on Saturday - literally nothing Bojan did more in 20 minutes at Blackburn than Ward has done for 18 months apart from when the only person in football that can seem to motivate him was around. Hopefully we can release him and he'll bugger off up to Aberdeen for the rest of the season. Bojan showed that he has the potential to be very decent for us but hey we're Town fans so we'll write him off after a disappointing hour on his home debut. |
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Post by softboy on Feb 5, 2024 14:12:50 GMT 1
He is just getting used to the physical English game. Needs to understand being smacked in the face isn’t even a free kick in the Championship!
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Post by mosher on Feb 5, 2024 14:20:29 GMT 1
Rather him than a lad that barely runs, loses every header (not even trying to compete for the ball too often) and was completely in the pocket of the Wednesday defender the entire time he was on the pitch Im sure he will get better but honestly he did nothing at all good on Saturday - literally nothing Bojan did more in 20 minutes at Blackburn than Ward has done for 18 months apart from when the only person in football that can seem to motivate him was around. Hopefully we can release him and he'll bugger off up to Aberdeen for the rest of the season. Bojan showed that he has the potential to be very decent for us but hey we're Town fans so we'll write him off after a disappointing hour on his home debut. Especially as most of the rest of the team were just as shit! |
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Post by utttrooper on Feb 5, 2024 17:05:17 GMT 1
When he gets up to pace I think he'll be really good. I also don't think the old fashioned number 9 role suits him. He looks better when he's brought on late in games against tired defences so he has space and the ball can be played to his feet and he can lay it off like Kasumu's chance against Blackburn. When he gets up to pace hopefully he'll be able to find spaces like that earlier in games and hopefully will fit better in the team and do so more cohesively ‘He’ll be alright if we only play him when the opposition are knackered’ isn’t the best news! Hopefully won't stay that way but looks like that now. When he gets up to pace and used to the Championship he'll hopefully be better for the whole game |
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Post by harris on Feb 5, 2024 17:09:18 GMT 1
I think the idea is to build a squad of players where we have a number of goal scorers, rather than having 1 or 2 main goal scorers. We've now got Bojan & Healey. Plus Koroma. If we can sign Burgzorg that gives us 4 players that should each be able to get well into double figures every season. Add in both Thomas & Rudini who, in a more attacking team, should be able to score 8+ each. We've then got the likes of Helik, Balker, Pearson and Lees who can get goals from set pieces. Plus there's others in the squad, such as Headley and Wiles that can also chip in with a few goals here and there. All in all that should be a team and a squad that is capable of scoring a lot of goals between them throughout a season.....Just need the correct Head Coach to get them playing in a way that creates the opportunities. Joburgjon for manager! |
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Post by mosher on Feb 5, 2024 17:23:19 GMT 1
I think the idea is to build a squad of players where we have a number of goal scorers, rather than having 1 or 2 main goal scorers. We've now got Bojan & Healey. Plus Koroma. If we can sign Burgzorg that gives us 4 players that should each be able to get well into double figures every season. Add in both Thomas & Rudini who, in a more attacking team, should be able to score 8+ each. We've then got the likes of Helik, Balker, Pearson and Lees who can get goals from set pieces. Plus there's others in the squad, such as Headley and Wiles that can also chip in with a few goals here and there. All in all that should be a team and a squad that is capable of scoring a lot of goals between them throughout a season.....Just need the correct Head Coach to get them playing in a way that creates the opportunities. Joburgjon for manager! I don't think any of us on here would have done a worse job than Moore  |
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Post by Sparrow on Feb 5, 2024 17:26:57 GMT 1
I think the idea is to build a squad of players where we have a number of goal scorers, rather than having 1 or 2 main goal scorers. We've now got Bojan & Healey. Plus Koroma. If we can sign Burgzorg that gives us 4 players that should each be able to get well into double figures every season. Add in both Thomas & Rudini who, in a more attacking team, should be able to score 8+ each. We've then got the likes of Helik, Balker, Pearson and Lees who can get goals from set pieces. Plus there's others in the squad, such as Headley and Wiles that can also chip in with a few goals here and there. All in all that should be a team and a squad that is capable of scoring a lot of goals between them throughout a season.....Just need the correct Head Coach to get them playing in a way that creates the opportunities. Joburgjon for manager! Well if Heckingbottom comes in I did once do a Talent & Identification course with one of his coaches  |
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Post by thomo on Feb 18, 2024 8:59:27 GMT 1
Bumping this as it's clear we need him to come good and fast. We were crying out for a decent striker/finisher on the pitch yesterday.
Has he been playing B team minutes?
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Post by benhomly on Feb 18, 2024 10:07:25 GMT 1
Bumping this as it's clear we need him to come good and fast. We were crying out for a decent striker/finisher on the pitch yesterday. Has he been playing B team minutes? I agree but he's not going to come good if he doesn't get any minutes. When Worthington brought Ward on yesterday I could have run round to the dugout and punched him. |
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Post by Maynardblue on Feb 18, 2024 10:13:38 GMT 1
Bojan isn't a pressing, workhorse front man though - that's why worthy didn't use him and I suspect it'll be a similar story with AB.
He's a hold-up style front man who wants the ball into feet and bring people into play which doesn't fit with the high press/counter attack style.
If this is the ethos/vision for our football it makes me wonder why we signed him?
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Post by Dillinger on Feb 18, 2024 10:16:47 GMT 1
A minor criticism I have of Worthington's tenure is that I think he got his team selection wrong yesterday.
The front three should've been Thomas-Rudoni-Koroma with Radulovic up front (assuming Bergzorg isn't fit enough for a full ninety).
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Post by SNOWY on Feb 18, 2024 10:17:27 GMT 1
Bojan isn't a pressing, workhorse front man though - that's why worthy didn't use him and I suspect it'll be a similar story with AB. He's a hold-up style front man who wants the ball into feet and bring people into play which doesn't fit with the high press/counter attack style. If this is the ethos/vision for our football it makes me wonder why we signed him? Because we let Moore influence the January window when it was clear he was a dead man walking after the Leeds debacle months earlier... |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Feb 18, 2024 10:27:25 GMT 1
Bojan isn't a pressing, workhorse front man though - that's why worthy didn't use him and I suspect it'll be a similar story with AB. He's a hold-up style front man who wants the ball into feet and bring people into play which doesn't fit with the high press/counter attack style. If this is the ethos/vision for our football it makes me wonder why we signed him? There can still be a role for him though when you get ahead in games and need a focal point upfront to try and hold the ball up. I also very much doubt his signing was anything much to do with Moore. Cartwright etc will have brought the opportunity forward and Moore will have simply given a seal of approval. I'd question the fact he was even being put forward in the first place as from the little I've seen he doesn't look very mobile for this level of football. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Feb 18, 2024 10:37:13 GMT 1
Bojan isn't a pressing, workhorse front man though - that's why worthy didn't use him and I suspect it'll be a similar story with AB. He's a hold-up style front man who wants the ball into feet and bring people into play which doesn't fit with the high press/counter attack style. If this is the ethos/vision for our football it makes me wonder why we signed him? He seems fragile too, at least for this league. Is this going to be another million or two wasted, hope not. |
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Post by Maynardblue on Feb 18, 2024 10:41:35 GMT 1
I'm not even sure Rhys Healey fits that style either as he appears to lack the physicality
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Feb 18, 2024 10:47:23 GMT 1
I'm not even sure Rhys Healey fits that style either as he appears to lack the physicality The concerning thing about both is they both look slow. Slow footballers don’t suit that brand of football and never will. Look at Liverpool basically signed forward players based on pace and athleticism. |
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Post by terrier17 on Feb 18, 2024 10:50:00 GMT 1
Probably see Burgzorg lead the line
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Post by pterrier on Feb 18, 2024 10:57:36 GMT 1
For all those giving worthington stick for not playing him, maybe we should try to remember a couple of things.
1) in the games he’s started he’s been pants and even with rose tinted glasses on I couldn’t see much potential in him either.
2) worthy will have seen the bloke in training everyday, I’m confident that if he’s even shown a glimmer in training then he’d have been involved.
3) most of us would agree that tactically and personnel wise worthy has been a marked improvement on Moore and it’s fair to say he knows what he’s doing.
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Post by detox on Feb 18, 2024 11:11:11 GMT 1
Bojan isn't a pressing, workhorse front man though - that's why worthy didn't use him and I suspect it'll be a similar story with AB. He's a hold-up style front man who wants the ball into feet and bring people into play which doesn't fit with the high press/counter attack style. If this is the ethos/vision for our football it makes me wonder why we signed him? He seems fragile too, at least for this league. Is this going to be another million or two wasted, hope not. Agree he is a lightweight...his arial battles with CB's are pitifull and his chasing down unconvincing.It's like he doesn't do the physical contact side of the game which begs the question why is he a footballer. I've seen nothing yet that tells me he's going to be a regular...Burgzorg is definitely giving us more. Jury still out on Healey tbh, he seems a bit similar to Wiles and a bit of a whinger instead of just getting stuck in . Wiles does my head in with drooping shoulders and head down moans because he does something wrong..not a good look . |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 11:15:06 GMT 1
Bojan isn't a pressing, workhorse front man though - that's why worthy didn't use him and I suspect it'll be a similar story with AB. He's a hold-up style front man who wants the ball into feet and bring people into play which doesn't fit with the high press/counter attack style. If this is the ethos/vision for our football it makes me wonder why we signed him? Hopefully Kevs first action once this season ends will be to dispense with the services of Mark Carthorse. |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Feb 18, 2024 11:20:59 GMT 1
Bojan isn't a pressing, workhorse front man though - that's why worthy didn't use him and I suspect it'll be a similar story with AB. He's a hold-up style front man who wants the ball into feet and bring people into play which doesn't fit with the high press/counter attack style. If this is the ethos/vision for our football it makes me wonder why we signed him? There certainly seems to be very little joined up thinking going on, from the very top down. They may well be on the same page, it’s just they’re all reading different books. |
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