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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 11:27:53 GMT 1
Ohh fucking great. Kevin Nagle is going to tell the players not to pass backwards or sideways. This bloke worries me as much as Moore. I just don't understand this point of view at all, we've complained that we didn't get any communication from the club & now we've got a bloke who is showing he cares, he's showing he empathizes with fans, & he's not trying to sugarcoat things. He looked really pissed off in that video, as every fan must have been after that shower of shit. He wants to give DM a chance, because that was the plan his team thought was the best option for the club, so that is what he is going to do. However, should we get no wins in the next 3 games, I bet DM won't be here afterwards. I think KN has done a great job this month. He's shown he is taking fans' views on board, he's put his money where is mouth is with 2 signings so far, has explained how close we were to another, he's stated the whole club, from the top downwards needs to do better & has stated we will actively plough on in our search. Our whole fan base thinks we pass backwards too often, it's the easy option & we all want us to be braver, so what has he said wrong there? Even if his tenure is a failure, everything he's done so far suggests to me he wants to build a successful team here, I don't know what else you want from an owner? An owner should stick to signing cheques and not poke his nose into football matters. He's employed two managers and undermined them both with his insistence on tweeting nonsense after games. |
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Post by alfredsterrier on Jan 14, 2024 11:33:24 GMT 1
Think with Jackson he just doesn’t have the pace or power to do his man one on one.If there’s no pass on down the line or inside for a one/two he kind of has to go back.Headley in that situation is a whole different entity he would back himself most of the time to shift it and get past his man.Problem with headley when he does that is his crossing doesn’t seem the best.You would probably want a hybrid of the two,for an example the lad who setup their goal muamba seems to have both those abilities. I just think like most players Jackson struggles playing in a badly coached team with poor shape and movement. There's never any passing options all over the pitch except backwards. Even KN noted this and thinks the players just need to be told not to make as many backwards passes  It's just a symptom of a poor football team. Ipswich are the best example I've seen of a team passing and moving for each other. It comes from good coaching in Ipswichs case, not just better players. This is something I have thought for a long time with Moore. What are we training or practicing? He says - as did MF - more hard work🤷🏻♂️ It seems to me that they should practice passing and moving. Just learn where players are going and running. I’m no coach - obviously and clearly there is more to it than that. But they speak as if they are in on some secret that unless you have played you can’t know what’s going on. It’s rubbish. We have watched football long enough to see a team devoid of any plan. Sorry. Rant over. |
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Post by redshadow on Jan 14, 2024 11:39:54 GMT 1
I just don't understand this point of view at all, we've complained that we didn't get any communication from the club & now we've got a bloke who is showing he cares, he's showing he empathizes with fans, & he's not trying to sugarcoat things. He looked really pissed off in that video, as every fan must have been after that shower of shit. He wants to give DM a chance, because that was the plan his team thought was the best option for the club, so that is what he is going to do. However, should we get no wins in the next 3 games, I bet DM won't be here afterwards. I think KN has done a great job this month. He's shown he is taking fans' views on board, he's put his money where is mouth is with 2 signings so far, has explained how close we were to another, he's stated the whole club, from the top downwards needs to do better & has stated we will actively plough on in our search. Our whole fan base thinks we pass backwards too often, it's the easy option & we all want us to be braver, so what has he said wrong there? Even if his tenure is a failure, everything he's done so far suggests to me he wants to build a successful team here, I don't know what else you want from an owner? An owner should stick to signing cheques and not poke his nose into football matters. He's employed two managers and undermined them both with his insistence on tweeting nonsense after games. |
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Post by redshadow on Jan 14, 2024 11:40:15 GMT 1
An owner should stick to signing cheques and not poke his nose into football matters. He's employed two managers and undermined them both with his insistence on tweeting nonsense after games. |
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Post by redshadow on Jan 14, 2024 11:41:06 GMT 1
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Post by benhomly on Jan 14, 2024 11:44:34 GMT 1
Come on redshadow, spit it out
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Post by sabailand on Jan 14, 2024 11:46:51 GMT 1
Garbage, it was a must win game yesterday. It set the tone in the first 30 mins when Sorba a number of times got into promising positions and either looked up to see nobody in the box or put a ball in into a dangerous area and nobody was anywhere near to it. Jackson played like Yuta, a cowardly performance and turned back every time - offered us zero down the left side. Again, ridiculous subs Again, Diarra was appalling (please give up this experiment) Said it before, since we decided to not replace Mooy we seem to have asked Hogg to play a role on the ball more which really slows down our play and he plays it backwards more often than not. It says a lot that DM didn't bring Wiles on at a time we needed a spark. We need 5-6 first team players to get this team up to the level it should be. RB, CB with pace, AMC, LW and 2x Strikers .. Notts county scored 5 goals again today, their front two are Macauley Langstaff who has banged in 60+ goals in 18 months and David Mcgoldrick who has scored 11 this season and 22 in league 1 last season. To think we didn't even have a striker in the 20 man squad! Would have either of those two ahead of Ward, Hudlin, Harrat or Rhodes quite frankly! Anyone remember when we had Beckford and Vaughan?! I remember a home game against Millwall , I think we won 3-0. Beckford and Vaughan were outstanding, they tore Millwall to pieces. Dont think many town fans at the time appreciated how good these two were, shame Vaughan was injured a lot, those two playing together in an unbroken spell in a good championship side would have wrecked havoc. |
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Post by ritchie on Jan 14, 2024 11:47:55 GMT 1
I just don't understand this point of view at all, we've complained that we didn't get any communication from the club & now we've got a bloke who is showing he cares, he's showing he empathizes with fans, & he's not trying to sugarcoat things. He looked really pissed off in that video, as every fan must have been after that shower of shit. He wants to give DM a chance, because that was the plan his team thought was the best option for the club, so that is what he is going to do. However, should we get no wins in the next 3 games, I bet DM won't be here afterwards. I think KN has done a great job this month. He's shown he is taking fans' views on board, he's put his money where is mouth is with 2 signings so far, has explained how close we were to another, he's stated the whole club, from the top downwards needs to do better & has stated we will actively plough on in our search. Our whole fan base thinks we pass backwards too often, it's the easy option & we all want us to be braver, so what has he said wrong there? Even if his tenure is a failure, everything he's done so far suggests to me he wants to build a successful team here, I don't know what else you want from an owner? An owner should stick to signing cheques and not poke his nose into football matters. He's employed two managers and undermined them both with his insistence on tweeting nonsense after games. Which bit is nonsense? |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 11:50:01 GMT 1
An owner should stick to signing cheques and not poke his nose into football matters. He's employed two managers and undermined them both with his insistence on tweeting nonsense after games. Which bit is nonsense? 99% of what he tweets. |
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Post by redshadow on Jan 14, 2024 11:50:18 GMT 1
undermining the manager my arse, as the owner he has absolute right to say what he sees and feels,as supporters who pay to watch this utter complete shite week in week out have the right and do ,this forum proves that by the day,kn already pumped millions in since july so damn right he has the right to say. Politically correct dont say this dont say that shit country we hear . |
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Post by ritchie on Jan 14, 2024 11:52:17 GMT 1
Cop out answer. Which bit |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 11:55:24 GMT 1
undermining the manager my arse, as the owner he has absolute right to say what he sees and feels,as supporters who pay to watch this utter complete shite week in week out have the right and do ,this forum proves that by the day,kn already pumped millions in since july so damn right he has the right to say. Politically correct dont say this dont say that shit country we hear . Yeah okay 👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2024 11:55:35 GMT 1
I've seen lots of continued criticism of Moore on this thread, and I have no idea if he will be a good manager when he has better players, but have a think about yesterdays team.
We have 5 'first team' strikers in the squad and not one fit enough to play. We had a really good structure forming down the left with Headley, Rudoni & Nakayama and he has lost 2 of those, so it all needed changing. Matos looks like he needs games to get his fitness up and to bed into the team but I'm sure he will really help, but he was off the pace for a chunk of yesterday. There were loads of posts saying why play Spencer on the left of a three and he had a great game. He gave us some of the passing range we lost with Nakayama missing.
If we could have started with a striker yesterday, the new lad or Del, we probably wouldn't have played Jackson, who has done well at right back but people seem to think he had a poor game, and we would have had a finisher in the box. Josh did well but he had it all to do on his own.
We desperately need some players back to give DM proper options and some more new additions.
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 11:56:47 GMT 1
Cop out answer. Which bit I've just told you. Yesterday was a prime example. Just posting rambling tweets. Why does he need to say anything after a game? |
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Post by redshadow on Jan 14, 2024 11:57:08 GMT 1
undermining the manager my arse, as the owner he has absolute right to say what he sees and feels,as supporters who pay to watch this utter complete shite week in week out have the right and do ,this forum proves that by the day,kn already pumped millions in since july so damn right he has the right to say. Politically correct dont say this dont say that shit country we hear . Yeah okay 👍 |
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Post by richhtfc on Jan 14, 2024 12:03:24 GMT 1
I've seen lots of continued criticism of Moore on this thread, and I have no idea if he will be a good manager when he has better players, but have a think about yesterdays team. We have 5 'first team' strikers in the squad and not one fit enough to play. We had a really good structure forming down the left with Headley, Rudoni & Nakayama and he has lost 2 of those, so it all needed changing. Matos looks like he needs games to get his fitness up and to bed into the team but I'm sure he will really help, but he was off the pace for a chunk of yesterday. There were loads of posts saying why play Spencer on the left of a three and he had a great game. He gave us some of the passing range we lost with Nakayama missing. If we could have started with a striker yesterday, the new lad or Del, we probably wouldn't have played Jackson, who has done well at right back but people seem to think he had a poor game, and we would have had a finisher in the box. Josh did well but he had it all to do on his own. We desperately need some players back to give DM proper options and some more new additions. You’re right, injuries are killing us, I’m just worried that it’s not a happy camp and the ones “fit” are not playing for him. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if we changed the manager and our injury issues miraculously start clearing up. |
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Post by sabailand on Jan 14, 2024 12:06:18 GMT 1
Jesse Marsch anyone - fellow American - ? Fuck no, I'd rather keep Moore or bring back Buzz than that card I wouldn't, not saying that to contradict you just for the sake of it either, i know Marsch wasnt what you'd call a success at Leeds but he was manager at a prem club on a downwards spiral, the prems merciless and unforgiving as we know, in the championship you'd imagine it would be easier, it wouldnt too hard to improve on our curernt plight surely, having said that im not advocating him but out of the three of Fotheringham Moore or Marsch managing us from tomorrow onwards, Fotheringham failed, Moore is failing.... |
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 12:09:17 GMT 1
Fuck no, I'd rather keep Moore or bring back Buzz than that card I woulndn't, not saying that to contradict you just for the sake of it either, i know Marsch wasnt what you'd call a success at Leeds but he was manager at a prem club on a downwards spiral, the prems merciless and unforgiving as we know, in the championship you'd imagine it would be easier, it wouldnt too hard to improve on our curernt plight surely, having said that im not advocating him but out of the three of Fotheringham Moore or Marsch managing us from tomorrow onwards, Fotheringham failed, Moore is failing.... Would be a complete no-no because too many people would be against him because he's ex-Leeds. It was the same when we appointed Grayson. Pathetic, really |
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Post by ritchie on Jan 14, 2024 12:11:42 GMT 1
Cop out answer. Which bit I've just told you. Yesterday was a prime example. Just posting rambling tweets. Why does he need to say anything after a game? And I said its a cop out. I dont look at his twitter very often, but i've looked since yesterday and dont see rambling or anything I disagree with - so which part is nonsense? I understand it's wise to keep things in house, but the club has too long suffered from mismanagement and utter abject mediocrity in all areas of practice. It needs shaking up, holding to account, being told its not good enough. I think Nagle is saying "im doing my bit, are the rest?" If he's putting his money where his mouth is, and rolling up his sleeves, I dont take issue with it. Not sure why fans are, it's exactly what we want/think, but he's wrong for saying it. I hope it makes people at the club embarrassed.. maybe even angry. This isnt the sheff weds owner type thing. Nagle seems fiercly driven and competetive.. If he loses that, starts shifting blame, not putting his money in and just sniping on twitter, then i'll take issue with it. |
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Post by detox on Jan 14, 2024 12:15:38 GMT 1
Surely most managers can look good if they have a squad full of talent...the key is to make an average/poor squad look good by 'coaching'...making the sum better than the individual parts ? DM can't moan about the squad, he should coach..and get the best out of what he has...he's got qualified coaches and statisticians etc to help him do this...so why isn't he doing it ?
because he's clueless.
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Post by H7 on Jan 14, 2024 12:20:55 GMT 1
An extremely disappointing result yesterday that knocked the stuffing out of all the positive feeling in the build up. Signing a striker and injuring him in the first week is so classic town you just have to laugh. Still can’t help but feel we have an over eager medical team and something tells me Bojan would have been on that pitch if Warnock was here.
We must not forget that Plymouth have not won an away game all season, this was a huge missed opportunity to take 3 points and the complete lack of the ability or desire to change the approach when it was obvious Plymouth were happy with a point was a disgrace. All we got was complete nonsense like for like subs when it was clear the tactics weren’t yielding anything useful. It reminded me of the game where we beat Derby at home and Corberan sacrificed a defender at HT to get another forward thinking player on the pitch and just told Hogg to sit in off the ball. THAT is a top coach who knows how to change and manage a game when it is there for the taking.
For me we need to be seriously considering managerial options as I do feel positive that Nagle will put his money where his mouth is but unfortunately DM is not the man to take us forward IMO.
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Jan 14, 2024 12:25:53 GMT 1
Surely most managers can look good if they have a squad full of talent...the key is to make an average/poor squad look good by 'coaching'...making the sum better than the individual parts ? DM can't moan about the squad, he should coach..and get the best out of what he has...he's got qualified coaches and statisticians etc to help him do this...so why isn't he doing it ? because he's clueless. Wagners first side was Murphy Smith Hudson Cranie Dempsey Whitehead Huws Scannell Bunn Carayol Wells The result wasn’t great nor was it the game after but you could see an instant change and players actually trying to assert themselves on the game. You can’t tell me that 11 is much better than what we are putting out currently. It’s clear as day Moore is tactically inept, his sides have never played attacking football. Stop appointing coaches who learn the FA mundane way of coaching and go and grab a number two in Europe somewhere who’s learnt from a top manager like a Klopp or Bielsa not Magath and reenergise the fan base and the players it’s simple. |
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Post by detox on Jan 14, 2024 12:28:49 GMT 1
Surely most managers can look good if they have a squad full of talent...the key is to make an average/poor squad look good by 'coaching'...making the sum better than the individual parts ? DM can't moan about the squad, he should coach..and get the best out of what he has...he's got qualified coaches and statisticians etc to help him do this...so why isn't he doing it ? because he's clueless. Wagners first side was Murphy Smith Hudson Cranie Dempsey Whitehead Huws Scannell Bunn Carayol Wells The result wasn’t great nor was it the game after but you could see an instant change and players actually trying to assert themselves on the game. You can’t tell me that 11 is much better than what we are putting out currently. It’s clear as day Moore is tactically inept, his sides have never played attacking football. Stop appointing coaches who learn the FA mundane way of coaching and go and grab a number two in Europe somewhere who’s learnt from a top manager like a Klopp or Bielsa not Magath and reenergise the fan base and the players it’s simple. Just out of interest, how many staff did DM bring with him to Town ? |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 14, 2024 12:31:47 GMT 1
Watch us, we just dont support the man on the ball.
The best we can do is offer a backwards pass a lot of the time.
Too easy to play against.
Moore talked about Plymouths rearguard action???
They left one, often 2 up the pitch, almost to the death, we were never going to outnumber them in their final third, we were never going to be brave enough.
Its inneffective and worse its dull.
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Post by ageingterrier on Jan 14, 2024 12:37:12 GMT 1
So htfcokay thinks everyone should be subjected to his 99% rubbish ranting as whilst the bloke that owns the club keeps schtum. I know who’s opinion I would rather hear. There’s only one that matters as Nagle will be funding it.
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Post by ram on Jan 14, 2024 12:42:33 GMT 1
Yoiks. Hopefully he's got some football people helping him with decisions, "I don't like passing backwards"...yes, but when there's no forward options because the quality and football intelligence (instruction?) of the players is so poor, sometimes the BEST option is to pass backwards and sideways, especially as our most experienced players are the keeper and two centre halfs and Hogg...we're BOUND to push the ball through them when things aren't happening and try and stretch play left and right to create the openings to move forward into. Would rather see that than Matty Pearson hoof the ball up to the oppositions left winger continuously. If,after watching that, and saying what he {KN} did about the tactics and Moore,s position,he must be as brain dead as Moore is. |
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Post by willo on Jan 14, 2024 12:42:50 GMT 1
I woulndn't, not saying that to contradict you just for the sake of it either, i know Marsch wasnt what you'd call a success at Leeds but he was manager at a prem club on a downwards spiral, the prems merciless and unforgiving as we know, in the championship you'd imagine it would be easier, it wouldnt too hard to improve on our curernt plight surely, having said that im not advocating him but out of the three of Fotheringham Moore or Marsch managing us from tomorrow onwards, Fotheringham failed, Moore is failing.... Would be a complete no-no because too many people would be against him because he's ex-Leeds. It was the same when we appointed Grayson. Pathetic, really I get where you’re coming from. Grayson was brought in to get us over the line and out of League 1 which he had previous experience of and he did his job. Coming from down the road is always going to mean you come with added pressure but Marsche has no experience of getting clubs out of the mire and would not be the man I’d want in our dugout fighting a relegation battle. We require someone with previous Championship experience and has been round the block a few times, I’d suggest Gary Rowett. A bit no frills maybe but a very safe pair of hands who the players will respect and hopefully react to and a man a lot of fans will likely get behind. This is not the time for another untried and untested young manager from overseas a la Jan Siewart. |
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Post by rockwall on Jan 14, 2024 12:43:45 GMT 1
Issues for me yesterday.
1. Played a front 2, with 2 wingers. Sorba, for all his effort, kept dropping too deep. Whilst Koroma kept moving out wide.
That left us with nobody actually playing as a striker.
2. Moore can piss off with excuses. That starting 11 should be getting a positive result. It wasn't a bad 11 if utilised properly.
3. How bad must our B team strikers be? We had Iorpenda, Wiles, Austerfield, Diarra and Stone all on the bench who all play midfield. Couldn't Falls have been on the bench instead of Stone? Rather throw a striker on in desperation than someone who isn't going to get on.
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Post by htafcokay on Jan 14, 2024 13:08:18 GMT 1
So htfcokay thinks everyone should be subjected to his 99% rubbish ranting as whilst the bloke that owns the club keeps schtum. I know who’s opinion I would rather hear. There’s only one that matters as Nagle will be funding it. I don't own a football club, so me talking 99% rubbish (although I'd argue it is 100% rubbish, so you're being kind there) has no effect on the club. Nagle on the other hand... Imagine if your boss was tweeting about you on social media all the time and telling the world that your performance was under par. It would be incredibly unprofessional and demoralising for the workforce. |
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Post by softboy on Jan 14, 2024 13:14:34 GMT 1
It is completely unprofessional to put out some of the messages KN does but that is obviously his style.
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