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Post by Terriersmad on Mar 17, 2024 15:47:51 GMT 1
He sticks a leg out and trips him. On what planet isn't that a penalty? My take on all penalties is would I be screaming at the ref if he gives one like that to the opponent. Yes is my answer. Like I say , soft, very soft. Someone arguing about how he goes down not been relevant?? Of course it is. Ref thinks he’s made a meal of it. And I can’t disagree But it isn't. Law 12.
A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:
charges
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kicks or attempts to kick
pushes
strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)
tackles or challenges
trips or attempts to trip
If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick.There is no need for a player to fall for it to be a foul. Contact is enough. Rinhomota tripped Kasumu while challenging for the ball. Kasumu's reaction does not make it more or less of a penalty. He could barrel roll 50 times with a somersault and pike and it still doesn't negate the fact that it was a penalty, clear as day. Neither should he have to go down to ensure it's given. The above is crystal clear: a foul is a foul, regardless of its impact on the opponent. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 16:05:43 GMT 1
That there is a split in the opinions of those on DATM (and therefore possibly those who were at the game) over the ‘It was a stonewall penalty’ or ‘It was never a penalty’ - Well that just plays into the officials (and therefore The EFL’s hands) so it does... Having taped the TV highlights and not yet seen them it’s hard to pass judgment on the incident... However if it was (as quite a lot say) - Has Andre shouted from the rooftops about it... Because if not and if it was a stonewaller then he’s very weak and that sadly could be seized upon going forward in this vital period in the season ! ☹️ Doesn't seem to be a split to me,vast majority think it was a penalty. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 17, 2024 16:08:37 GMT 1
That there is a split in the opinions of those on DATM (and therefore possibly those who were at the game) over the ‘It was a stonewall penalty’ or ‘It was never a penalty’ - Well that just plays into the officials (and therefore The EFL’s hands) so it does... Having taped the TV highlights and not yet seen them it’s hard to pass judgment on the incident... However if it was (as quite a lot say) - Has Andre shouted from the rooftops about it... Because if not and if it was a stonewaller then he’s very weak and that sadly could be seized upon going forward in this vital period in the season ! ☹️ Doesn't seem to be a split to me,vast majority think it was a penalty. Lad has a go for the ball, misses it and kicks Kasumu. Its a penalty. Easy one in truth. |
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Post by turbo2 on Mar 17, 2024 16:30:22 GMT 1
That there is a split in the opinions of those on DATM (and therefore possibly those who were at the game) over the ‘It was a stonewall penalty’ or ‘It was never a penalty’ - Well that just plays into the officials (and therefore The EFL’s hands) so it does... Having taped the TV highlights and not yet seen them it’s hard to pass judgment on the incident... However if it was (as quite a lot say) - Has Andre shouted from the rooftops about it... Because if not and if it was a stonewaller then he’s very weak and that sadly could be seized upon going forward in this vital period in the season ! ☹️ Doesn't seem to be a split to me,vast majority think it was a penalty. Vast majority of town fans. Don’t you think they are biased?? Contact sport. If you go down easy expect not to be given, unless you play for Liverpool obvs. |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Mar 17, 2024 16:36:24 GMT 1
If town cant beat a shit Rotherham team then doubt they can get anything from the inform play off contenders and F A Cup semi finalists
Where on earth are towns next point/points coming from and supose other teams fans around us say the same
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 17, 2024 16:42:49 GMT 1
If town cant beat a shit Rotherham team then doubt they can get anything from the inform play off contenders and F A Cup semi finalists Where on earth are towns next point/points coming from and supose other teams fans around us say the same By reproducing the performance of a few weeks ago v L***s. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 17, 2024 16:49:27 GMT 1
Doesn't seem to be a split to me,vast majority think it was a penalty. Vast majority of town fans. Don’t you think they are biased?? Contact sport. If you go down easy expect not to be given, unless you play for Liverpool obvs. If someone kicks you instead of the ball in the box, even if they come from your blindside, its a penalty. The lad has a kick, he kicks Kasumu not the ball, its a penalty. The going down or otherwise is immaterial. A physical challenge is a different matter of course, sufficient force is now supposedly required, a kick on the shin is still a kick on the shin. From a biased point of view on this occasion of course but its still a penalty. Given our ' attempts on goal' yesterday, its touch and go that we would have scored a pen anyway. That is somewhat more disappointing than not being given one😞 |
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Post by turbo2 on Mar 17, 2024 16:55:02 GMT 1
If town cant beat a shit Rotherham team then doubt they can get anything from the inform play off contenders and F A Cup semi finalists Where on earth are towns next point/points coming from and supose other teams fans around us say the same By reproducing the performance of a few weeks ago v L***s. I said at the time I didn’t believe we had that performance In us. Everything since has told me why I thought that. Everyone blaming the ref yesterday. If the ref was anywhere near as bad as our players we’d have reason to moan. |
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Post by turbo2 on Mar 17, 2024 16:57:46 GMT 1
Vast majority of town fans. Don’t you think they are biased?? Contact sport. If you go down easy expect not to be given, unless you play for Liverpool obvs. If someone kicks you instead of the ball in the box, even if they come from your blindside, its a penalty. The lad has a kick, he kicks Kasumu not the ball, its a penalty. The going down or otherwise is immaterial. A physical challenge is a different matter of course, sufficient force is now supposedly required, a kick on the shin is still a kick on the shin. From a biased point of view on this occasion of course but its still a penalty. Given our ' attempts on goal' yesterday, its touch and go that we would have scored a pen anyway. That is somewhat more disappointing than not being given one😞 Watch it from the camera behind the goal. The lad goes for it then pulls back. There’s no chance that gets overruled by var. Like I explained. If that’s against us and given you’re all moaning like hell about it being cheap. |
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Post by portugalterrier on Mar 17, 2024 17:01:52 GMT 1
If town cant beat a shit Rotherham team then doubt they can get anything from the inform play off contenders and F A Cup semi finalists Where on earth are towns next point/points coming from and supose other teams fans around us say the same Without taking anything away from a poor Town performance I would suggest you have a look at Rovrum’s home results this season, biggest defeat 2-0, of the games they have lost most are by a single goal.A penalty could have won it. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 17, 2024 17:02:56 GMT 1
By reproducing the performance of a few weeks ago v L***s. I said at the time I didn’t believe we had that performance In us. Everything since has told me why I thought that. Everyone blaming the ref yesterday. If the ref was anywhere near as bad as our players we’d have reason to moan. Know what you mean. We have seen what this team are capable of so infrequently. Can only hope that we can do this again in our next game. |
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Post by crux on Mar 17, 2024 17:04:12 GMT 1
By reproducing the performance of a few weeks ago v L***s. I said at the time I didn’t believe we had that performance In us. Everything since has told me why I thought that. Everyone blaming the ref yesterday. If the ref was anywhere near as bad as our players we’d have reason to moan. We were shite and got what we deserved. However, the ref and the linesmen were equally as shite as our players and Rotherham's, if not worse. As someone posted earlier, for the performances of both sets of players AND the officials, it was the worst game of football they'd ever seen. |
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Post by terryya on Mar 17, 2024 17:04:40 GMT 1
If someone kicks you instead of the ball in the box, even if they come from your blindside, its a penalty. The lad has a kick, he kicks Kasumu not the ball, its a penalty. The going down or otherwise is immaterial. A physical challenge is a different matter of course, sufficient force is now supposedly required, a kick on the shin is still a kick on the shin. From a biased point of view on this occasion of course but its still a penalty. Given our ' attempts on goal' yesterday, its touch and go that we would have scored a pen anyway. That is somewhat more disappointing than not being given one😞 Watch it from the camera behind the goal. The lad goes for it then pulls back. There’s no chance that gets overruled by var. Like I explained. If that’s against us and given you’re all moaning like hell about it being cheap. It's a penalty all day long. For us. Against us. In a match not involving us. |
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Post by turbo2 on Mar 17, 2024 17:06:06 GMT 1
Watch it from the camera behind the goal. The lad goes for it then pulls back. There’s no chance that gets overruled by var. Like I explained. If that’s against us and given you’re all moaning like hell about it being cheap. It's a penalty all day long. For us. Against us. In a match not involving us. No it’s not. I’ll tell you why. It wasn’t given. 😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by terryya on Mar 17, 2024 17:08:31 GMT 1
It's a penalty all day long. For us. Against us. In a match not involving us. No it’s not. I’ll tell you why. It wasn’t given. 😂😂😂😂 The ref is wrong! He compounded his mistake by booking him. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 17:30:46 GMT 1
Doesn't seem to be a split to me,vast majority think it was a penalty. Vast majority of town fans. Don’t you think they are biased?? Contact sport. If you go down easy expect not to be given, unless you play for Liverpool obvs. Of course they're biased,same view from Rotherham fans though. |
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Post by westislandterrier on Mar 17, 2024 18:07:45 GMT 1
The thing is - If it’s a Penalty why did Andre not scream from the rooftops about it...
If he hasn’t that’s weak in my humble opinion...
OK - It’s not gonna change the result but it wouldn’t do any harm to embarrass them a little bit...
Although referees and their assistants and VAR’s (Cheats with whistles, flags and monitors) won’t ever get embarrassed or shamed...
They certainly don’t in Scotland anyway for sure ! 😉
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 19:22:30 GMT 1
Doesn't seem to be a split to me,vast majority think it was a penalty. Vast majority of town fans. Don’t you think they are biased?? Contact sport. If you go down easy expect not to be given, unless you play for Liverpool obvs. So why did Thomas get a second yellow for a challenge that was a lot less contact than the foul on Kasumu? Their player went down when he was hardly touched. The ref seemed to be looking for an excuse to send Sorba off. Absolutely shite refereeing. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Mar 17, 2024 19:30:41 GMT 1
Vast majority of town fans. Don’t you think they are biased?? Contact sport. If you go down easy expect not to be given, unless you play for Liverpool obvs. So why did Thomas get a second yellow for a challenge that was a lot less contact than the foul on Kasumu? Their player went down when he was hardly touched. The ref seemed to be looking for an excuse to send Sorba off. Absolutely shite refereeing. I think what went against Kasumu was he was half stumbling during the whole dribble in to the box. Probably put some doubt in the refs mind that he was in control of what he was doing and looking to buy a penalty. A lot of the decisions referees make are psychological. For example, if that referee sees what he deems a quality attacker like Summerville or Mavididi brought down the same way he gives it without a seconds thought. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 19:38:58 GMT 1
So why did Thomas get a second yellow for a challenge that was a lot less contact than the foul on Kasumu? Their player went down when he was hardly touched. The ref seemed to be looking for an excuse to send Sorba off. Absolutely shite refereeing. I think what went against Kasumu was he was half stumbling during the whole dribble in to the box. Probably put some doubt in the refs mind that he was in control of what he was doing and looking to buy a penalty. A lot of the decisions referees make are psychological. For example, if that referee sees what he deems a quality attacker like Summerville or Mavididi brought down the same way he gives it without a seconds thought. They should make decisions without fear or favour. It was a good run by Kasumu and he was tripped, there was contact. It was a really poor decision. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 19:40:09 GMT 1
The thing is - If it’s a Penalty why did Andre not scream from the rooftops about it... If he hasn’t that’s weak in my humble opinion... OK - It’s not gonna change the result but it wouldn’t do any harm to embarrass them a little bit... Although referees and their assistants and VAR’s (Cheats with whistles, flags and monitors) won’t ever get embarrassed or shamed... They certainly don’t in Scotland anyway for sure ! 😉 I don't think he is a screamer, well not football wise anyway. |
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Post by turbo2 on Mar 17, 2024 19:45:53 GMT 1
Vast majority of town fans. Don’t you think they are biased?? Contact sport. If you go down easy expect not to be given, unless you play for Liverpool obvs. So why did Thomas get a second yellow for a challenge that was a lot less contact than the foul on Kasumu? Their player went down when he was hardly touched. The ref seemed to be looking for an excuse to send Sorba off. Absolutely shite refereeing. They were both running at full pace. Ref was probably well behind them. Looks a yellow all day long. Soft again I’d say. Could have gone either way. Bear in mind I’ve not said there isn’t contact in the kasumu challenge. I just think it’s minimal the guy is pulling out and David makes a meal of it. |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Mar 17, 2024 19:52:04 GMT 1
I think what went against Kasumu was he was half stumbling during the whole dribble in to the box. Probably put some doubt in the refs mind that he was in control of what he was doing and looking to buy a penalty. A lot of the decisions referees make are psychological. For example, if that referee sees what he deems a quality attacker like Summerville or Mavididi brought down the same way he gives it without a seconds thought. They should make decisions without fear or favour. It was a good run by Kasumu and he was tripped, there was contact. It was a really poor decision. It was a penalty but the referee’s angle was poor - Glennon on the iFollow commentary berated Kasumu for bloody ages, Leon at the YP clearly thought it was a dive in real time too. Appalling as he was, the 2 Sorba bookings were correct and if he couldn’t see the contact from where he was, he got that right too. It’s all like the marginal offside v WBA - he simply can’t raise his flag on those margins and doesn’t excuse the woeful defending which followed. Every club in this league will have complaints about referees - you manage how good/shit they are and plan for the worst. Absolutely flabbergasted with that yesterday - Moore would rightly have been lambasted for it (and, in fact, was for a very similar game at Wednesday- a game which pretty much put a stop to my away trips for the moment). |
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Post by westislandterrier on Mar 17, 2024 20:25:14 GMT 1
The thing is - If it’s a Penalty why did Andre not scream from the rooftops about it... If he hasn’t that’s weak in my humble opinion... OK - It’s not gonna change the result but it wouldn’t do any harm to embarrass them a little bit... Although referees and their assistants and VAR’s (Cheats with whistles, flags and monitors) won’t ever get embarrassed or shamed... They certainly don’t in Scotland anyway for sure ! 😉 I don't think he is a screamer, well not football wise anyway. Did he even mention the ‘penalty gate’ situation bluesandtwos... I’ve not got around to watching highlights just yet but sometimes they don’t interview every manager... Maybe the club website will put something up... Hope he does though as quite a few on DATM think it was a stonewaller ! 😬 |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Mar 17, 2024 20:26:02 GMT 1
If town cant beat a shit Rotherham team then doubt they can get anything from the inform play off contenders and F A Cup semi finalists Where on earth are towns next point/points coming from and supose other teams fans around us say the same Without taking anything away from a poor Town performance I would suggest you have a look at Rovrum’s home results this season, biggest defeat 2-0, of the games they have lost most are by a single goal.A penalty could have won it. Most folk don’t see simple stats like that. It’s black and white , Rotherham are bottom they must get battered at home every week. |
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 17, 2024 20:30:19 GMT 1
It’s almost as if (and I realise I’ve been repeating this for a while) the players aren’t up to scratch at this level. 🤔 Breitenreiter might have made mistakes, but we need to give him a chance. We can't keep blaming the manager and sacking them. Otherwise we become a club like Watford. I could have quoted your whole post but this last bit is a really, if not the most important part of it. And let’s be honest, since Carlos we have been a bit like Watford with our managers but at least Watford compete. We’ve been relegation fodders for some time. These players are the consistent theme in a lot of the problems at Town. |
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Post by willo on Mar 18, 2024 1:55:35 GMT 1
Breitenreiter might have made mistakes, but we need to give him a chance. We can't keep blaming the manager and sacking them. Otherwise we become a club like Watford. I could have quoted your whole post but this last bit is a really, if not the most important part of it. And let’s be honest, since Carlos we have been a bit like Watford with our managers but at least Watford compete. We’ve been relegation fodders for some time. These players are the consistent theme in a lot of the problems at Town. Got to say I’ve been giving the players the benefit of the doubt for months and months now but I’m becoming accepting of the fact many of them are League 1 quality and but for a brief period towards the end of last season where an exceptional manager and motivator was able to get that extra out of each and every one of them, we will be forever scratching around the bottom of the Championship with this bunch - assuming we aren’t relegated! Should we survive, a lot more quality has to be brought in during the summer to prevent yet another repeat next season. |
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Post by belizian on Mar 18, 2024 10:54:01 GMT 1
Matos on signing for Chelsea :""I'm a forward who can play anywhere in the front line. My pace is probably my best attribute, getting into the box and creating chances, it’s a big part of my game." Nah. We don't need anyone that can do that...leave 'im sat on his arse on the subs bench. Well he's shown no evidence of any of that. Decent enough in midfield though and you'd think his energy alone would have merited bringing him on when we had 10 men. Clearly not rated by Andre though. Well, those were his own words.. Also the Chelsea site says "..Capable of playing in midfield and attack,.." anyway, for me, he would have been a far better option then Wiles. I know why Wiles gets picked, he can pass a really nice ball, unfortunately once he's done that he appears to have little energy to get back on the ball again. So, as I say Matos before Wiles every time. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2024 11:11:47 GMT 1
Matos has been very good at disrupting and breaking up the opposition attacks.Plenty of opponents wont like it.
Makes you wonder if something else is going on
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Post by ldhtafc99 on Mar 18, 2024 12:24:58 GMT 1
Points picked up in last 5 games (since Breitenreiter took over) from the teams in the relegation scrap:
Millwall: 3 wins 1 draw 1 loss 10pts
Sheff Wed: 3 wins 0 draws 2 losses 9pts
QPR: 2 wins 2 draws 1 losses 8pts
Stoke: 2 wins 0 draws 3 losses 6pts
Town: 1 win 2 draws 2 losses 5pts
Blackburn: 0 wins 4 draws 1 loss 4pts
Plymouth: 1 win 1 draw 3 losses 4pts
Birmingham: 0 wins 1 draw 4 losses 1pt
As bad as Saturday was, and as winnable as it was, it was another point gained and there's been 3 teams around us that've been worse than us in that time. I'm sure we're all wondering where the points are going to come from, but the 3 below us in the form table will be thinking the exact same thing, knowing they're not going to survive on their current points tally.
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