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Post by uptownfunk on Mar 18, 2024 13:40:13 GMT 1
Interesting to see Nagle call it a disappointing draw whereas Andre was calling it a good point. I don’t see this one working out. I’m assuming this was a Cartwright appointment? Why buy a football club then have ti delegate all key decisions to one man. Kev would be better making his own calls- such as keeping Worthington on.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 18, 2024 14:07:25 GMT 1
Interesting to see Nagle call it a disappointing draw whereas Andre was calling it a good point. I don’t see this one working out. I’m assuming this was a Cartwright appointment? Why buy a football club then have ti delegate all key decisions to one man. Kev would be better making his own calls- such as keeping Worthington on. All points are good points, especially away from home in this division. Unfortunately ìn the full context of ours and Rotherhams current predicaments, this one was 'less good'  In the full context of the game 'actually' played against Leeds,not the league positions or expectations before, that was a 'less good' point. There are no good defeats, just losses where promise was shown or we were truly a bit unlucky(not had many of them this season, even Saints away fell off a cliffe at the end).. Andre follows the modern trend of never having a bad defeat or a draw and all wins are remarkable and a turning point at least. About 18 thousand people saw the WBA second half coming from the kick off to the half, we needed 18 thousand and one to admit it and one to change it. Bravery and hard work will get us out of this. No idea wether this bloke can deliver both. |
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 18, 2024 14:10:34 GMT 1
Interesting to see Nagle call it a disappointing draw whereas Andre was calling it a good point. I don’t see this one working out. I’m assuming this was a Cartwright appointment? Why buy a football club then have ti delegate all key decisions to one man. Kev would be better making his own calls- such as keeping Worthington on. Kev would be better keeping his mouth shut on all football matters. All of it. |
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Post by castlehillterrier on Mar 18, 2024 15:50:15 GMT 1
Interesting to see Nagle call it a disappointing draw whereas Andre was calling it a good point. I don’t see this one working out. I’m assuming this was a Cartwright appointment? Why buy a football club then have ti delegate all key decisions to one man. Kev would be better making his own calls- such as keeping Worthington on. Kev would be better keeping his mouth shut on all football matters. All of it. I actually think both KN and Andre are correct, despite them saying different things. Andre, a good point I agree we did not play great, went down to 10 men, had some chance to win, and in the end got a point which was more than or equal to all the teams around us so its a good point away from home. He also needs to try and take some positives out of anything to try and create a positive atmosphere. I also I am quite sure Andre is dissapointed to not get a win but also realistic in that it could have been worse. KN he is correct it was diappointing and I am sure both he and Andre fully agree on this. People read way too much into these things, the club and management are currently very together on the targets and goals for the next 8 games. On Matos not coming on there is a lot more to this and I am hearing that Matos has had a few issues last couple of weeks, nothing that can not be supported but he may have not been in the correct place to start games, you could see at the end of the game Matos was not disspointed to not come on it was understood and his reaction with Andre confirms this, we do however need to start playing Matos from the start if only so we dont get finacially punished by Chelsea. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 18, 2024 15:52:15 GMT 1
Interesting to see Nagle call it a disappointing draw whereas Andre was calling it a good point. I don’t see this one working out. I’m assuming this was a Cartwright appointment? Why buy a football club then have ti delegate all key decisions to one man. Kev would be better making his own calls- such as keeping Worthington on. Kev would be better keeping his mouth shut on all football matters. All of it. As Brian Clough said in "The Damned United"; "leave the football to the professionals and start signing some fucking cheques". |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Mar 18, 2024 16:00:00 GMT 1
Interesting to see Nagle call it a disappointing draw whereas Andre was calling it a good point. I don’t see this one working out. I’m assuming this was a Cartwright appointment? Why buy a football club then have ti delegate all key decisions to one man. Kev would be better making his own calls- such as keeping Worthington on. Kev would be better keeping his mouth shut on all football matters. All of it. He’s spent tens of millions of his own hard earned money on purchasing this club, he can whatever he wants. If AB or anyone else doesn’t like that, they are free to resign. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 18, 2024 16:03:07 GMT 1
Kev would be better keeping his mouth shut on all football matters. All of it. He’s spent tens of millions of his own hard earned money on purchasing this club, he can whatever he wants. If AB or anyone else doesn’t like that, they are free to resign. Yeah, and that's how we end up with pillocks like Darren Moore or Mark Fotheringham in charge. Imagine someone like Nagle trying to tell a manager that has had success in various countries and is well regarded in the game what team he should be picking. Owners should keep their gobs shut in public about football matters, it's not their place to say anything. |
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Mar 18, 2024 16:10:32 GMT 1
Kev would be better keeping his mouth shut on all football matters. All of it. He’s spent tens of millions of his own hard earned money on purchasing this club, he can whatever he wants. If AB or anyone else doesn’t like that, they are free to resign. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. I love KN, but it doesn't take a genius to see how undermining and counterproductive some of his comments can be. |
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Post by mosher on Mar 18, 2024 16:55:17 GMT 1
He’s spent tens of millions of his own hard earned money on purchasing this club, he can whatever he wants. If AB or anyone else doesn’t like that, they are free to resign. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. I love KN, but it doesn't take a genius to see how undermining and counterproductive some of his comments can be.This. I'm still in the camp that believes (hopes?) KN will be a good (possibly even brilliant) custodian. But he needs to keep thoughts on team selection (and other footballing matters) to himself, or at the most raise them in private directly with AB and/or the boardroom. I'm loving some aspects of his fan interactions and the fact we have one of his close friends in Justasmithers as a member on here is brilliant IMO but he needs to reign in the football stuff, we saw with King Colin how it can undermine** things and escalate to an untenable position for one or the other. ** depending which reason you believe for NW's departure. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Mar 18, 2024 17:19:00 GMT 1
He’s spent tens of millions of his own hard earned money on purchasing this club, he can whatever he wants. If AB or anyone else doesn’t like that, they are free to resign. Yeah, and that's how we end up with pillocks like Darren Moore or Mark Fotheringham in charge. Imagine someone like Nagle trying to tell a manager that has had success in various countries and is well regarded in the game what team he should be picking. Owners should keep their gobs shut in public about football matters, it's not their place to say anything. That's a very self-entitled opinion. It's their club, they paid for it, they can say whatever they want. You want a "sugar daddy" and for him to keep quiet. I bet you're entitirely OK with a fan's 'right' to pay their money and then say whatever they want to the owner, even throw abuse at them.
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 18, 2024 17:27:45 GMT 1
Yeah, and that's how we end up with pillocks like Darren Moore or Mark Fotheringham in charge. Imagine someone like Nagle trying to tell a manager that has had success in various countries and is well regarded in the game what team he should be picking. Owners should keep their gobs shut in public about football matters, it's not their place to say anything. That's a very self-entitled opinion. It's their club, they paid for it, they can say whatever they want. You want a "sugar daddy" and for him to keep quiet. I bet you're entitirely OK with a fan's 'right' to pay their money and then say whatever they want to the owner, even throw abuse at them.
It's not Nagle's club, and it never will be. It will always be OUR club. I'm certainly okay with owner's being scrutinised and held to account, absolutely. Because there's too many times in football where owners haven't been and those clubs have ended up disappearing. |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 18, 2024 17:38:12 GMT 1
That's a very self-entitled opinion. It's their club, they paid for it, they can say whatever they want. You want a "sugar daddy" and for him to keep quiet. I bet you're entitirely OK with a fan's 'right' to pay their money and then say whatever they want to the owner, even throw abuse at them.
It's not Nagle's club, and it never will be. It will always be OUR club. I'm certainly okay with owner's been scrutinised and held to account, absolutely. Because there's too many times in football where owners haven't been and those clubs have ended up disappearing. You are absolutely correct but to balance that I don't think Mr Nagle has done anything that deserves abuse. He has made calls that can be reasonably challenged but I am prepared to give him the time to prove he can be the custodian I hope he will be. As it stands the start could have been, a lot, better but I believe he wants to do the best for the club. He has picked up a club at which things could have been done better. That hasn't given him any wriggle room. As things aren't going well it is understandably the thin end of the wedge for many. Not all of that is by any means his fault but he probably needed to show us something more in this first year. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 18, 2024 17:41:27 GMT 1
It's not Nagle's club, and it never will be. It will always be OUR club. I'm certainly okay with owner's been scrutinised and held to account, absolutely. Because there's too many times in football where owners haven't been and those clubs have ended up disappearing. You are absolutely correct but to balance that I don't think Mr Nagle has done anything that deserves abuse. He has made calls that can be reasonably challenged but I am prepared to give him the time to prove he can be the custodian I hope he will be. As it stands the start could have been, a lot, better but I believe he wants to do the best for the club. He has picked up a club at which things could have been done better. That hasn't given him any wriggle room. As things aren't going well it is understandably the thin end of the wedge for many. Not all of that is by any means his fault but he probably needed to show us something more in this first year. I've not mentioned abuse, nor have I condoned abuse. Scrutiny isn't abuse. |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Mar 18, 2024 17:55:16 GMT 1
You'd think KN would have learnt his lesson by now, but keep spouting on twitter Kev, that's really going to help the mood in the stands and training ground.
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Post by dugnet on Mar 18, 2024 17:56:21 GMT 1
You are absolutely correct but to balance that I don't think Mr Nagle has done anything that deserves abuse. He has made calls that can be reasonably challenged but I am prepared to give him the time to prove he can be the custodian I hope he will be. As it stands the start could have been, a lot, better but I believe he wants to do the best for the club. He has picked up a club at which things could have been done better. That hasn't given him any wriggle room. As things aren't going well it is understandably the thin end of the wedge for many. Not all of that is by any means his fault but he probably needed to show us something more in this first year. I've not mentioned abuse, nor have I condoned abuse. Scrutiny isn't abuse. I wasn't picking on you I was making a general point. Scrutiny does however suggest something less than laudable happening. There's a difference between having a dubious agenda and making poor decisions. I put Mr Nagle firmly in the latter category. He certainly needs to show he's learned from this experience. |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 18, 2024 17:58:47 GMT 1
You'd think KN would have learnt his lesson by now, but keep spouting on twitter Kev, that's really going to help the mood in the stands and training ground. I think that's a fair point. By all means do a Q&A or radio interview but perhaps step back from the immediate reaction. He's not immune, as anyone else isn't, to speaking in the moment. |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 18, 2024 17:58:54 GMT 1
I've not mentioned abuse, nor have I condoned abuse. Scrutiny isn't abuse. I wasn't picking on you I was making a general point. Scrutiny does however suggest something less than laudable happening. There's a difference between having a dubious agenda and making poor decisions. I put Mr Nagle firmly in the latter category. He certainly needs to show he's learned from this experience. Surely it doesn't matter about intentions? If I fuck up at work, even with the best intentions, I've still fucked up and expect a bollocking/criticism from the boss. Nagle can have all the best intentions in the world, but if it all ends in failure then he's there to be criticised. Other owners such as Barry Rubery and David Taylor had the best intentions, but it didn't matter, we were still in a mess. |
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Post by dugnet on Mar 18, 2024 18:03:41 GMT 1
I wasn't picking on you I was making a general point. Scrutiny does however suggest something less than laudable happening. There's a difference between having a dubious agenda and making poor decisions. I put Mr Nagle firmly in the latter category. He certainly needs to show he's learned from this experience. Surely it doesn't matter about intentions? If I fuck up at work, even with the best intentions, I've still fucked up and expect a bollocking/criticism from the boss. Nagle can have all the best intentions in the world, but if it all ends in failure then he's there to be criticised. Other owners such as Barry Rubery and David Taylor had the best intentions, but it didn't matter, we were still in a mess. I agree - in Mr Nagle's case his retention of season ticket holders will be the measure as opposed to people venting. But you are right the principle is correct. Let's be honest he knows that. It's what he does to address the issues that counts. Sadly this season is down to those currently charged with delivering safety i.e. there's not much that can be done now from Mr Nagle's position to influence performances and results in the last 8 games. if we fail, even if we survive, there needs to be a focus on being better than this season, because it has been very disappointing to say the least. |
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Post by stinkypete on Mar 18, 2024 20:07:23 GMT 1
How is saying a “disappointing draw” undermining the manager?
I’d be more worried if Nagle was says he was over the moon with a point! Shows he’s ambitious and has a winning mentality, something our club desperately needs!
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Mar 18, 2024 20:32:46 GMT 1
How is saying a “disappointing draw” undermining the manager? I’d be more worried if Nagle was says he was over the moon with a point! Shows he’s ambitious and has a winning mentality, something our club desperately needs! It isn’t undermining the manager. If people have said it is then they are clearly looking for problems where none exist. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Mar 18, 2024 20:42:53 GMT 1
That's a very self-entitled opinion. It's their club, they paid for it, they can say whatever they want. You want a "sugar daddy" and for him to keep quiet. I bet you're entitirely OK with a fan's 'right' to pay their money and then say whatever they want to the owner, even throw abuse at them.
It's not Nagle's club, and it never will be. It will always be OUR club. I'm certainly okay with owner's being scrutinised and held to account, absolutely. Because there's too many times in football where owners haven't been and those clubs have ended up disappearing. Incorrect. The club belongs to whomever purchased it, this is a simple fact. I’m not saying that I like it this way, but it’s a true statement. You are free to organise and implement a buyout by the fans, to do a Barcelona or Real Madrid arrangement. That said, I bet you are more than happy to take a stance of fans paying to attend the game during which, or after, they are entitled to say anything they want to a Sugar Daddy owner, even hurling abuse at him, whilst you expect him to just to keep his mouth closed and pay the bills. |
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Post by terryya on Mar 18, 2024 20:49:57 GMT 1
Not sure if it's been posted and I've missed it but the official EFL Championships twitter has the Rotherham keeper in their team if the weekend!
The guy won't have an easier game all season.
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 18, 2024 20:55:48 GMT 1
It's not Nagle's club, and it never will be. It will always be OUR club. I'm certainly okay with owner's being scrutinised and held to account, absolutely. Because there's too many times in football where owners haven't been and those clubs have ended up disappearing. Incorrect. The club belongs to whomever purchased it, this is a simple fact. I’m not saying that I like it this way, but it’s a true statement. You are free to organise and implement a buyout by the fans, to do a Barcelona or Real Madrid arrangement. That said, I bet you are more than happy to take a stance of fans paying to attend the game during which, or after, they are entitled to say anything they want to a Sugar Daddy owner, even hurling abuse at him, whilst you expect him to just to keep his mouth closed and pay the bills. Quite a feat to get absolutely everything wrong in your post, but you've achieved it 👌 |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Mar 18, 2024 21:34:01 GMT 1
Incorrect. The club belongs to whomever purchased it, this is a simple fact. I’m not saying that I like it this way, but it’s a true statement. You are free to organise and implement a buyout by the fans, to do a Barcelona or Real Madrid arrangement. That said, I bet you are more than happy to take a stance of fans paying to attend the game during which, or after, they are entitled to say anything they want to a Sugar Daddy owner, even hurling abuse at him, whilst you expect him to just to keep his mouth closed and pay the bills. Quite a feat to get absolutely everything wrong in your post, but you've achieved it 👌 Not as much of a feat as you trying to deny everything that you wrote 👏🏻 It’s a zero-sum ‘game’ engaging with you, so I’ll end it here 👋 |
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Post by htafcokay on Mar 18, 2024 21:42:59 GMT 1
Quite a feat to get absolutely everything wrong in your post, but you've achieved it 👌 Not as much of a feat as you trying to deny everything that you wrote 👏🏻 It’s a zero-sum ‘game’ engaging with you, so I’ll end it here 👋 I never said it was right for people to abuse Nagle. End of story. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Mar 19, 2024 2:18:06 GMT 1
How is saying a “disappointing draw” undermining the manager? I’d be more worried if Nagle was says he was over the moon with a point! Shows he’s ambitious and has a winning mentality, something our club desperately needs! The manager put the positive spin on it. The chairman less so. A bit at odds but both legitimate opinions to have. Maybe they’re not at odds but on the contrary its the old good cop bad cop routine. Big chief Nagle’s disappointment might give Andre the extra influence over the players this week to take on his ideas… “Boss is not happy.” But I’m just clutching at straws. |
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