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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:18:27 GMT 1
Its not that I think worthy is the answer, but more that I enjoyed the 4 or 5 games he was in charge. Probably the only games I’ve enjoyed this season. Town for me are just one of them clubs where we need as positive manager rather than a tactical genius. The togetherness under Wagner and Warnock was brilliant, it was decent under Carlos but people didn’t connect as much. Since then we’ve had idiots who overcomplicate football and turn it into a tough experience. Bang on- from someone who clearly knows the club. Shame you’re not director of football. At least 75% of datmers could have done a better job than Cartwright. Brooky knows the club as well, shall we get him in for the last four games of the season? |
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Post by Macduff on Apr 9, 2024 22:19:07 GMT 1
Crap first touches, footballing intelligence pretty much completely absent, couldn't pass wind, couldn't finish a childs jigsaw. Apart from those minor faults we're great.
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Post by alexdire on Apr 9, 2024 22:19:18 GMT 1
Breitenreiter will leave at the end of the season and have success elsewhere in his managerial career. The bulk of these players will leave at the end of the season and do absolutely fuck all in their careers, hardly any will ever play another minute in the Championship. That's the difference. To some extent I agree with you. But he'll never manage in England again and he'll always be in the 2nd or 3rd tier leagues like Switzerland, Austria or Belgium. |
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Post by ldr on Apr 9, 2024 22:19:51 GMT 1
I’m not going to defend Burgzorg but you only see one side of this from the video. Apparently, he was talking to a relative and took some shit from a few fans and responded. I’m not defending that but he should be reading the room and fucking off back to the dressing rooms like all his team mates did. |
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Post by efesodje23 on Apr 9, 2024 22:20:22 GMT 1
Chicken smoking pigeon park levels of crack with that write up and player ratings. Makes it sound like we were unlucky. Jesus.
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Post by uw2ba on Apr 9, 2024 22:20:42 GMT 1
I’m not going to defend Burgzorg but you only see one side of this from the video. I honestly don't see what he's done here? He's getting it from all ears from our fans and he's just defending himself? Just because we contribute to their wages doesn't mean we can just abuse players at the drop of a hat. If he scored in that game everyone would be applauding him, at the end of the day he wasn't responsible for us conceding four goals. You would think he had done an Eric cantona kung fu kick or kalvin Phillips putting his middle finger up. Seems to me he's just as pissed off as everyone else and has a load of fans on his back. We need to be together for the last four games not divided. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Apr 9, 2024 22:20:59 GMT 1
Remember when we had Duane Holmes playing for us? Not always the best but always a trier, competent on the ball the majority of the time, the odd moment of magic. Also completely settled in the area and not looking to leave the club. Apparently we needed rid because he was too expensive, so let him go for free and brought in Ben Fucking Wiles for 1 Fucking Million. Trouble for me with Holmes was that he tried hard but was gash nine times out of ten for a club he ‘loved’. Yet he goes to PNE and takes the piss out of us; something to prove. Another great ‘get them shifted by making public claims on them’ by DH. See Butterfield, Rhodes, Smithies, Hunt, etc. Holmes should’ve proved it at Town and he’d still be there. Holmes I'd say had 1 good game every 4 or 5. We currently only have Rudoni capable of even that ratio. Holmes' replacement Wiles is on a streak of 0 good games in his 30 odd, I know which one I'd rather have. I thought it was pretty clear that Hoyle wanted rid due to him being a higher earner. Warnock either didn't fancy him, or towed that line. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 9, 2024 22:21:05 GMT 1
Defending Andre is not a good way to demonstrate football knowledge. Hes helping us to get relegated, not hindering. Making Jon Worthington out to be Bob Paisley reincarnated is making you look a bit daft as well. But as I said, give him the job, we've made some fucking stupid decisions this season so we might as well make another one. That’s not my view at all. Though I must admit I know JW a bit and he’s a great bloke. It’s just that this terrible squad had a better chance of scraping the points we needed to send brum or Plymouth down instead with JW in charge rather than another newcomer - whoever it was coming in with 10 games were on a hiding to nothing. |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 9, 2024 22:21:18 GMT 1
Bang on- from someone who clearly knows the club. Shame you’re not director of football. At least 75% of datmers could have done a better job than Cartwright. Brooky knows the club as well, shall we get him in for the last four games of the season? I’d back Terry the Terrier to do a better job than AB in fairness. |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Apr 9, 2024 22:21:23 GMT 1
Shush. Don't say that. He's the worst manager we've ever had say the DATM football 'experts', don't ya know? No-one ever said that. i wasn’t even a fan of Carlos football at the time but now it seems like utopia |
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Post by Ibiza Town on Apr 9, 2024 22:21:52 GMT 1
Not the managers fault, he’ll be used to managing players who can play football. He's not going to find it in league one |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 9, 2024 22:22:11 GMT 1
Chicken smoking pigeon park levels of crack with that write up and player ratings. Makes it sound like we were unlucky. Jesus. Just seen them, is KN paying him off nobody deserved anywhere near a 7. Tragic |
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 9, 2024 22:22:22 GMT 1
Carlos got us third place with a back four of toffolo, lees, pearson and turton. Shush. Don't say that. He's the worst manager we've ever had say the DATM football 'experts', don't ya know? For me he’s the best manager we’ve had. But for the Forest corruption he’d have got us into the prem. |
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Post by Flowerdisco on Apr 9, 2024 22:22:28 GMT 1
Defending Andre is not a good way to demonstrate football knowledge. Hes helping us to get relegated, not hindering. Making Jon Worthington out to be Bob Paisley reincarnated is making you look a bit daft as well. But as I said, give him the job, we've made some fucking stupid decisions this season so we might as well make another one. Bob Paisley 😆 that made me chuckle |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:22:37 GMT 1
i wasn’t even a fan of Carlos football at the time but now it seems like utopia He's a wanker, but he certainly found a way of winning games. Not that I've ever said anything different to that. |
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Post by buckers on Apr 9, 2024 22:23:00 GMT 1
Brooky knows the club as well, shall we get him in for the last four games of the season? I’d back Terry the Terrier to do a better job than AB in fairness. I’d back Terry the Terrier to beat Wiles in a 100m sprint. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 9, 2024 22:23:56 GMT 1
Burgzorg doing a Rodney Dangerfield impression at fans at the end saying he gets no respect! There's lots of talk from the coach hinting that fans are on the players backs. Not a great culture to be creating and I don't know where it's come from. Is it the coach or are a few of the players cry babies who can't handle a bit of stick from 0.00001 percent of the fan base. I don't remember any coach mentioning it ever before. Weird and unhelpful imo, I can't see Warnock allowing that to become a big issue, surely better to put big boy pants on and realise it's a tiny proportion? I don't remember Dave Cowling crying. Inexpeicne of the league and British football and mentality and lack of undrtsnding of the last 5 seasons or the last 25 for town fans. |
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Post by dugnet on Apr 9, 2024 22:24:18 GMT 1
I just hope that there are no "excuses" offered, the sooner we accept the club needs wholesale change the better.
Making reactive decisions with no bigger plan has to stop. We need proper considered investment, good people and fresh mindset.
In a strange way surviving, although it is preferable, in the Championship might not help us. I fear that if we scab our way out of this mess that some may think we have turned a corner....we won't have.
The quicker we all accept, and demand, that things need to change the better. The reasons we are in this position need to be reflected on so we learn. I make this observation for 2 reasons:
1 - It's what needs to happen
2 - I worry it won't happen
We need a proper leader now. I do think Mr Nagle is capable but he needs to show this and it probably needs his hand on the wheel in Huddersfield for a period of time.
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Post by Floyds on Apr 9, 2024 22:24:19 GMT 1
I’d back Terry the Terrier to do a better job than AB in fairness. I’d back Terry the Terrier to beat Wiles in a 100m sprint. Terry is a great lad. Reckon he’d last more minutes on the pitch than our three strikers too. |
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Post by stanton1969 on Apr 9, 2024 22:24:30 GMT 1
And Leicester can fuck off as well. Useless, useless, bastards. Right. I'm off to bed.
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 9, 2024 22:25:07 GMT 1
Not the managers fault, he’ll be used to managing players who can play football. He's not going to find it in league one He won’t be here in league one. Find it bizarre people think he will be. Agate taking us down with a whimper. I don’t think so. Second successive relegation for Andre. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:25:21 GMT 1
Shush. Don't say that. He's the worst manager we've ever had say the DATM football 'experts', don't ya know? . But for the Forest corruption he’d have got us into the prem. Nah. That's Jon Worthington. |
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Post by ldr on Apr 9, 2024 22:26:00 GMT 1
I’m not going to defend Burgzorg but you only see one side of this from the video. I honestly don't see what he's done here? He's getting it from all ears from our fans and he's just defending himself? Just because we contribute to their wages doesn't mean we can just abuse players at the drop of a hat. If he scored in that game everyone would be applauding him, at the end of the day he wasn't responsible for us conceding four goals. You would think he had done an Eric cantona kung fu kick or kalvin Phillips putting his middle finger up. Seems to me he's just as pissed off as everyone else and has a load of fans on his back. We need to be together for the last four games not divided. I really do agree but it’s all about using your common sense. If there’s a bit scrap in a pub and you don’t want to get involved, is it a good idea to go wading in all guns blazing? Burgzorg should have smelled the atmosphere and not put himself in that situation imo. |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 9, 2024 22:26:17 GMT 1
He's not going to find it in league one He won’t be here in league one. Find it bizarre people think he will be. Agate taking us down with a whimper. I don’t think so. Second successive relegation for Andre. Thankfully he won’t be. Definitely not the man for the job. |
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Post by Flowerdisco on Apr 9, 2024 22:26:33 GMT 1
I’m not going to defend Burgzorg but you only see one side of this from the video. I honestly don't see what he's done here? He's getting it from all ears from our fans and he's just defending himself? Just because we contribute to their wages doesn't mean we can just abuse players at the drop of a hat. If he scored in that game everyone would be applauding him, at the end of the day he wasn't responsible for us conceding four goals. You would think he had done an Eric cantona kung fu kick or kalvin Phillips putting his middle finger up. Seems to me he's just as pissed off as everyone else and has a load of fans on his back. We need to be together for the last four games not divided. What did he expect going over there? The red carpet treatment and rose petals being thrown. Use your noggin and feck off down the tunnel and avoid the pissed off fans who have turned up and paid good money to watch the shitshow. |
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Post by tepidterrier on Apr 9, 2024 22:26:50 GMT 1
This is it. I do understand htafcokay's oft-repeated point about the Southampton game, we got as many points from it as we did today in the end. On the other hand, it was one of the most entertaining games of football I've watched in years, and the players actually had a go. I think it was the only time this season where the players have capitulated due to being knackered from incessant pressing, rather than the usual pant shitting exercise. I totally get it. But it's meaningless. Mick Wadsworth played good football at the start (which is often forgotten), but we couldn't win games. At the end of the day, a shite performance like Saturday where we win 1-0 is more valuable than a 5-3 loss where it was entertaining. Worthington showed in that game just how limited he is, and it would have been crazy to throw him into the job full-time with all that pressure on him. I can guarantee that as soon as he'd lost a few, the people on here who are championing him would have been demanding his sacking. Value for me as a fan comes from the joy of watching, on Saturday we did win but I felt like punching a wall for most of the game. The goal felt like a release of frustration rather than joy, and it wasn't a complete release. There were a lot of joyful moments in the Southampton game, but the last 10 minutes were not unlike the last 10 today. Agree with you on Worthington though, he wouldn't have worked in the long run, the signs of the players reverting to type were quite clearly there in the Hull match. Lots of huffing and puffing, ultimately a capitulation and 0 points. |
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Post by Ibiza Town on Apr 9, 2024 22:26:54 GMT 1
The men who judged that the squad they assembled for this season would be competitive have been shown to be negligent in their roles with the club. There’s no point in changing the manager again whilst these two senior executives remain . I mean this seriously, a panel of DATM members could have assembled a better squad - as many of us pointed out in the Summer. We have got exactly what we expected. This is whats so frustrating. All the key decisions that the club got wrong that have got us in this mess were telegraphed by the majority of fans. There is some shit on here at times, but in the main, the majority know what they are talking about, more so than the decision makers this season anyway |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 9, 2024 22:27:06 GMT 1
For me he’s the best manager we’ve had. But for the Forest corruption he’d have got us into the prem. Nah. That's Jon Worthington. Well it’s DEFINITELY not AB 😂😂😂 |
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Post by royrace on Apr 9, 2024 22:27:18 GMT 1
This is it. I do understand htafcokay's oft-repeated point about the Southampton game, we got as many points from it as we did today in the end. On the other hand, it was one of the most entertaining games of football I've watched in years, and the players actually had a go. I think it was the only time this season where the players have capitulated due to being knackered from incessant pressing, rather than the usual pant shitting exercise. I totally get it. But it's meaningless. Mick Wadsworth played good football at the start (which is often forgotten), but we couldn't win games. At the end of the day, a shite performance like Saturday where we win 1-0 is more valuable than a 5-3 loss where it was entertaining. Worthington showed in that game just how limited he is, and it would have been crazy to throw him into the job full-time with all that pressure on him. I can guarantee that as soon as he'd lost a few, the people on here who are championing him would have been demanding his sacking. Wadsworth did not play good football from the start!!! His football was shocking from day one, triangles of passing in our own half with zero penetration. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:28:03 GMT 1
Nah. That's Jon Worthington. Well it’s DEFINITELY not AB 😂😂😂 It's fucking obviously Herbert Chapman. |
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