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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:28:28 GMT 1
I totally get it. But it's meaningless. Mick Wadsworth played good football at the start (which is often forgotten), but we couldn't win games. At the end of the day, a shite performance like Saturday where we win 1-0 is more valuable than a 5-3 loss where it was entertaining. Worthington showed in that game just how limited he is, and it would have been crazy to throw him into the job full-time with all that pressure on him. I can guarantee that as soon as he'd lost a few, the people on here who are championing him would have been demanding his sacking. Wadsworth did not play good football from the start!!! His football was shocking from day one, triangles of passing in our own half with zero penetration. Whatever. I'm not arguing about something that happened 20-odd years ago. The point still stands. |
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Post by ldr on Apr 9, 2024 22:28:59 GMT 1
I honestly don't see what he's done here? He's getting it from all ears from our fans and he's just defending himself? Just because we contribute to their wages doesn't mean we can just abuse players at the drop of a hat. If he scored in that game everyone would be applauding him, at the end of the day he wasn't responsible for us conceding four goals. You would think he had done an Eric cantona kung fu kick or kalvin Phillips putting his middle finger up. Seems to me he's just as pissed off as everyone else and has a load of fans on his back. We need to be together for the last four games not divided. What did he expect going over there? The red carpet treatment and rose petals being thrown. Use your noggin and feck off down the tunnel and avoid the pissed off fans who have turned up and paid good money to watch the shitshow. You express it so more succinctly than me! 😂 |
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 9, 2024 22:29:16 GMT 1
For me he’s the best manager we’ve had. But for the Forest corruption he’d have got us into the prem. Nah. That's Jon Worthington. He’s got more about him than your pal Andre with his second tier European pedigree. |
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Post by uw2ba on Apr 9, 2024 22:29:44 GMT 1
I honestly don't see what he's done here? He's getting it from all ears from our fans and he's just defending himself? Just because we contribute to their wages doesn't mean we can just abuse players at the drop of a hat. If he scored in that game everyone would be applauding him, at the end of the day he wasn't responsible for us conceding four goals. You would think he had done an Eric cantona kung fu kick or kalvin Phillips putting his middle finger up. Seems to me he's just as pissed off as everyone else and has a load of fans on his back. We need to be together for the last four games not divided. What did he expect going over there? The red carpet treatment and rose petals being thrown. Use your noggin and feck off down the tunnel and avoid the pissed off fans who have turned up and paid good money to watch the shitshow. I get what your saying but one thing I have noticed is burgzorg is one of the few players to not shy away from the travelling supporters when we don't get the right result. I remember at Rotherham he stood their on his own with his hands on his hips apologising. I think he thinks it's better to go over to the travelling fans than run down the tunnel. Moore got pelters for doing that when we were 4-1 down at Leeds and he didn't acknowledge the fans that stayed |
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Post by Flowerdisco on Apr 9, 2024 22:29:54 GMT 1
What did he expect going over there? The red carpet treatment and rose petals being thrown. Use your noggin and feck off down the tunnel and avoid the pissed off fans who have turned up and paid good money to watch the shitshow. You express it so more succinctly than me! 😂 😉 |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 9, 2024 22:30:03 GMT 1
Well it’s DEFINITELY not AB 😂😂😂 It's fucking obviously Herbert Chapman. I’m not sure. Worthy would have won 4 in a row and 2 FA Cups. Just needed to be given the chance 🥲 |
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Post by royrace on Apr 9, 2024 22:30:48 GMT 1
There's lots of talk from the coach hinting that fans are on the players backs. Not a great culture to be creating and I don't know where it's come from. Is it the coach or are a few of the players cry babies who can't handle a bit of stick from 0.00001 percent of the fan base. I don't remember any coach mentioning it ever before. Weird and unhelpful imo, I can't see Warnock allowing that to become a big issue, surely better to put big boy pants on and realise it's a tiny proportion? I don't remember Dave Cowling crying. Inexpeicne of the league and British football and mentality and lack of undrtsnding of the last 5 seasons or the last 25 for town fans. Surely you get the odd fan in Germany giving the players grief! I think it comes from certain players and the coach instead of slapping them down has gone along with it. There's been a lot of ear cupping after goals which is very weird. Like they think the entire fan base has been criticising them! Might be a few bad apples in the squad spreading the vibe. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:30:57 GMT 1
Nah. That's Jon Worthington. He’s got more about him than your pal Andre with his second tier European pedigree. Your pal has managed four games and lost two of them and if he hadn't have chucked away three points at Southampton we'd be three points above the drop. At least it was "like a win" though. Wonder if we ask nicely we'll get some points for a good performance, even though we lost it. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:31:16 GMT 1
It's fucking obviously Herbert Chapman. I’m not sure. Worthy would have won 4 in a row and 2 FA Cups. Just needed to be given the chance 🥲 Yeah, I'll concede there. |
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Post by willo on Apr 9, 2024 22:31:59 GMT 1
I honestly don't see what he's done here? He's getting it from all ears from our fans and he's just defending himself? Just because we contribute to their wages doesn't mean we can just abuse players at the drop of a hat. If he scored in that game everyone would be applauding him, at the end of the day he wasn't responsible for us conceding four goals. You would think he had done an Eric cantona kung fu kick or kalvin Phillips putting his middle finger up. Seems to me he's just as pissed off as everyone else and has a load of fans on his back. We need to be together for the last four games not divided. What did he expect going over there? The red carpet treatment and rose petals being thrown. Use your noggin and feck off down the tunnel and avoid the pissed off fans who have turned up and paid good money to watch the shitshow. Just when did all this touring the ground applauding the fans begin? Pretty sure it didn’t go on in the 80’s & 90’s if the team won a game. A quick acknowledgment to the fans as you leave the pitch is enough unless it’s the end of the season and you’ve got into the play-offs or are going up. The way teams celebrate a win these days, you’d think they’d won the Champions League. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 9, 2024 22:32:37 GMT 1
The men who judged that the squad they assembled for this season would be competitive have been shown to be negligent in their roles with the club. There’s no point in changing the manager again whilst these two senior executives remain . I mean this seriously, a panel of DATM members could have assembled a better squad - as many of us pointed out in the Summer. We have got exactly what we expected. This is whats so frustrating. All the key decisions that the club got wrong that have got us in this mess were telegraphed by the majority of fans. There is some shit on here at times, but in the main, the majority know what they are talking about, more so than the decision makers this season anyway It's almost as though the two in charge had zero relevant recent experience isn't it??? |
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Post by Flowerdisco on Apr 9, 2024 22:32:47 GMT 1
What did he expect going over there? The red carpet treatment and rose petals being thrown. Use your noggin and feck off down the tunnel and avoid the pissed off fans who have turned up and paid good money to watch the shitshow. Just when did all this touring the ground applauding the fans begin? Pretty sure it didn’t go on in the 80’s & 90’s if the team won a game. A quick acknowledgment to the fans as you leave the pitch is enough unless it’s the end of the season and you’ve got into the play-offs or are going up. The way teams celebrate a win these days, you’d think they’d won the Champions League. They need to feel loved 😍 😆 |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:33:28 GMT 1
What did he expect going over there? The red carpet treatment and rose petals being thrown. Use your noggin and feck off down the tunnel and avoid the pissed off fans who have turned up and paid good money to watch the shitshow. Just when did all this touring the ground applauding the fans begin? Pretty sure it didn’t go on in the 80’s & 90’s if the team won a game. A quick acknowledgment to the fans as you leave the pitch is enough unless it’s the end of the season and you’ve got into the play-offs or are going up. The way teams celebrate a win these days, you’d think they’d won the Champions League. Especially with fans like ours that claim losses as wins. |
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Post by ldr on Apr 9, 2024 22:33:40 GMT 1
It's fucking obviously Herbert Chapman. I’m not sure. Worthy would have won 4 in a row and 2 FA Cups. Just needed to be given the chance 🥲 But only if he’d had Brooky as first team coach! |
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Post by Flowerdisco on Apr 9, 2024 22:33:56 GMT 1
I genuinely don't know if Warnock will feel sorry for us or laughing his bell end off
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 9, 2024 22:34:07 GMT 1
Inexpeicne of the league and British football and mentality and lack of undrtsnding of the last 5 seasons or the last 25 for town fans. Surely you get the odd fan in Germany giving the players grief! I think it comes from certain players and the coach instead of slapping them down has gone along with it. There's been a lot of ear cupping after goals which is very weird. Like they think the entire fan base has been criticising them! Might be a few bad apples in the squad spreading the vibe. Yep. Very naive. Immature. Lack of leadership and standards. But what’s this German that no one has heard of gonna do with ten games to go. Hes four at best. Who the fuck interviewed him and though yes this is the man to get us out of a relegation dogfight - the loser of which gets the rebuild and the loser faces 20 years obscurity. |
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Post by sabailand on Apr 9, 2024 22:34:07 GMT 1
I often defend them when they dont really deserve it but tonight was absolute shite, did their keeper make a save, positives...its still tight at the bottom and thats about it.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:34:35 GMT 1
I’m not sure. Worthy would have won 4 in a row and 2 FA Cups. Just needed to be given the chance 🥲 But only if he’d had Brooky as first team coach! He knows the club. |
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Apr 9, 2024 22:34:50 GMT 1
Wadsworth did not play good football from the start!!! His football was shocking from day one, triangles of passing in our own half with zero penetration. Whatever. I'm not arguing about something that happened 20-odd years ago. The point still stands. You state something. Someone else counters. But it's all over because that's history? So if I say the Specials were shite. You offer a counter-opinion. I can say, this point isn't up for discussion as it was 40 years ago? |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 9, 2024 22:35:10 GMT 1
This is whats so frustrating. All the key decisions that the club got wrong that have got us in this mess were telegraphed by the majority of fans. There is some shit on here at times, but in the main, the majority know what they are talking about, more so than the decision makers this season anyway It's almost as though the two in charge had zero relevant recent experience isn't it??? These two should be made to stand on the touchline at the next home game. It can’t be right that the people responsible can hide in the background. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 9, 2024 22:35:22 GMT 1
Wadsworth did not play good football from the start!!! His football was shocking from day one, triangles of passing in our own half with zero penetration. Whatever. I'm not arguing about something that happened 20-odd years ago. The point still stands. The Southampton performance was very encouraging. We completely ran out of steam in the second half. It's become a bit of a theme hasn't it. |
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Post by ldr on Apr 9, 2024 22:35:26 GMT 1
What did he expect going over there? The red carpet treatment and rose petals being thrown. Use your noggin and feck off down the tunnel and avoid the pissed off fans who have turned up and paid good money to watch the shitshow. Just when did all this touring the ground applauding the fans begin? Pretty sure it didn’t go on in the 80’s & 90’s if the team won a game. A quick acknowledgment to the fans as you leave the pitch is enough unless it’s the end of the season and you’ve got into the play-offs or are going up. The way teams celebrate a win these days, you’d think they’d won the Champions League. If Burgzorg had wanted to appease the Town fans, he could have slotted that ref in the tunnel after the game. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:35:36 GMT 1
Surely you get the odd fan in Germany giving the players grief! I think it comes from certain players and the coach instead of slapping them down has gone along with it. There's been a lot of ear cupping after goals which is very weird. Like they think the entire fan base has been criticising them! Might be a few bad apples in the squad spreading the vibe. Yep. Very naive. Immature. Lack of leadership and standards. But what’s this German that no one has heard of gonna do with ten games to go. Hes four at best. Who the fuck interviewed him and though yes this is the man to get us out of a relegation dogfight - the loser of which gets the rebuild and the loser faces 20 years obscurity. You're making out like he's Jan Siewert or something. What had Danny Rohl ever done before he went to Wednesday? What had Wagner done before he came here? It's the players. THEY ARE FUCKING SHITE. |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Apr 9, 2024 22:36:34 GMT 1
It's fucking obviously Herbert Chapman. I’m not sure. Worthy would have won 4 in a row and 2 FA Cups. Just needed to be given the chance 🥲 He'd have only had to win 3 titles in a row to top Herbert  |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:37:26 GMT 1
Whatever. I'm not arguing about something that happened 20-odd years ago. The point still stands. You state something. Someone else counters. But it's all over because that's history? So if I say the Specials were shite. You offer a counter-opinion. I can say, this point isn't up for discussion as it was 40 years ago? No, I'm not arguing with him over something that happened 20 years ago because I can't be arsed. My point still stands that playing entertaining football and losing 5-3 is meaningless. Do you disagree? |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 9, 2024 22:37:33 GMT 1
An attempt at a positive spin.. I'm still absolutely furious and fed up to the back teeth of these players. But here we go.. The players have conceded 4+ so many times that this probably won't feel as catastrophic as it bloody well should for them, and maybe they'll bounce back a bit more easily for Swansea. Although there was a total lack of quality still, there was some good attacking intent in the first half. Burgzorg, despite his antics at the end, played quite well first half, as did Koroma. Healey's long throws were good. At one point we were playing a 4-1-5 formation which is probably a world first. At 1 0 up, we dont need to score again, we need to look for breaks etc and to relieve any pressure but we dont need to score again. Wagner, corberan and indeed Warnock found ways to win from a winning position without scoring again, whilst frustrating the opposition away from our goal. The second half tonight should have been mostly played in the middle third with us simply stopping the game at every opportunity and keeping useless possession in it and inside their half. A definite tactic of drawing Holmes into making challenges should have been part of it. Restrict the area of the pitch they can play in. Its hard work and ugly but remember we are winning and our ability to take the game away from the opposition by scoring more goals is seriously limited. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 9, 2024 22:37:40 GMT 1
He’s got more about him than your pal Andre with his second tier European pedigree. Your pal has managed four games and lost two of them and if he hadn't have chucked away three points at Southampton we'd be three points above the drop. At least it was "like a win" though. Wonder if we ask nicely we'll get some points for a good performance, even though we lost it. At least they looked like a semblance of a team. At least they ran for 3 games. At least players were playing in their best positions. At least the fans were positive in the main. After the Moore horror show and leaving it so inexplicably late the only option was to keep Worthy until seasons end or bring in the ex Brum guy who at least knew the division. Appointing a foreigner with this squad and 10 games to go was the nail in the relegation coffin. Brainless, child like decision. |
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Post by ldr on Apr 9, 2024 22:37:58 GMT 1
I genuinely don't know if Warnock will feel sorry for us or laughing his bell end off He’s still in touch with a lot of the players. I was in a box on Saturday and we got a visit by an injured player. Absolutely loved Warnock and says he and some of the other lads are in regular contact with him. Tbf, Warnock is probably trying to organise a few clients for his son when we have the relegation fire sale! |
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Post by Sio on Apr 9, 2024 22:38:27 GMT 1
It's almost as though the two in charge had zero relevant recent experience isn't it??? These two should be made to stand on the touchline at the next home game. It can’t be right that the people responsible can hide in the background. Don't give Cartwright any ideas |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:38:48 GMT 1
Your pal has managed four games and lost two of them and if he hadn't have chucked away three points at Southampton we'd be three points above the drop. At least it was "like a win" though. Wonder if we ask nicely we'll get some points for a good performance, even though we lost it. At least they looked like a semblance of a team. At least they ran for 3 games. At least players were playing in their best positions. At least the fans were positive in the main. After the Moore horror show and leaving it so inexplicably late the only option was to keep Worthy until seasons end or bring in the ex Brum guy who at least knew the division. Appointing a foreigner with this squad and 10 games to go was the nail in the relegation coffin. Brainless, child like decision. The same John Eustace that has won (checks notes) one game since he took over. That's worse than Breitenreiter FFS! |
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