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Post by Junior & Onuora on Apr 9, 2024 22:39:46 GMT 1
You state something. Someone else counters. But it's all over because that's history? So if I say the Specials were shite. You offer a counter-opinion. I can say, this point isn't up for discussion as it was 40 years ago? No, I'm not arguing with him over something that happened 20 years ago because I can't be arsed. My point still stands that playing entertaining football and losing 5-3 is meaningless. Do you disagree? Might as well play entertaining football and lose 5-3 than shite football and lose 4-1 |
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 9, 2024 22:40:12 GMT 1
It's almost as though the two in charge had zero relevant recent experience isn't it??? These two should be made to stand on the touchline at the next home game. It can’t be right that the people responsible can hide in the background. Wholeheartedly agree. Nameless suits killing the club and being paid handsomely to do so. Nagel is the owner. To select Cartwright is the decision that’s cost us. His childish wide of the mark cheating didn’t help ofcourse but Cartwright doesn’t understand the game so he was only going to continue making very poor decisions. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:40:37 GMT 1
No, I'm not arguing with him over something that happened 20 years ago because I can't be arsed. My point still stands that playing entertaining football and losing 5-3 is meaningless. Do you disagree? Might as well play entertaining football and lose 5-3 than shite football and lose 4-1 I agree. But that wasn't the point, as well you know. |
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Post by Flowerdisco on Apr 9, 2024 22:41:36 GMT 1
I genuinely don't know if Warnock will feel sorry for us or laughing his bell end off He’s still in touch with a lot of the players. I was in a box on Saturday and we got a visit by an injured player. Absolutely loved Warnock and says he and some of the other lads are in regular contact with him. Tbf, Warnock is probably trying to organise a few clients for his son when we have the relegation fire sale! Interesting to know. Man management skills are second to none. Not everyone's cup of tea but seemed to get the best out of the players. Had a few chats with NW in the past and he's a character to say the least. |
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Post by utttrooper on Apr 9, 2024 22:41:42 GMT 1
Yep. Very naive. Immature. Lack of leadership and standards. But what’s this German that no one has heard of gonna do with ten games to go. Hes four at best. Who the fuck interviewed him and though yes this is the man to get us out of a relegation dogfight - the loser of which gets the rebuild and the loser faces 20 years obscurity. You're making out like he's Jan Siewert or something. What had Danny Rohl ever done before he went to Wednesday? What had Wagner done before he came here? It's the players. THEY ARE FUCKING SHITE. They aren't all just utter shite and can do a job but most have limitations. It's fine to have players like that playing even a couple as starting regulars but it doesn't work when most of our starting 11 full has limitations |
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 9, 2024 22:41:56 GMT 1
At least they looked like a semblance of a team. At least they ran for 3 games. At least players were playing in their best positions. At least the fans were positive in the main. After the Moore horror show and leaving it so inexplicably late the only option was to keep Worthy until seasons end or bring in the ex Brum guy who at least knew the division. Appointing a foreigner with this squad and 10 games to go was the nail in the relegation coffin. Brainless, child like decision. The same John Eustace that has won (checks notes) one game since he took over. That's worse than Breitenreiter FFS! Anyone would be better than this chump. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:42:30 GMT 1
You're making out like he's Jan Siewert or something. What had Danny Rohl ever done before he went to Wednesday? What had Wagner done before he came here? It's the players. THEY ARE FUCKING SHITE. and can do a job but most have limitations. It's fine to have players like that playing even a couple as starting regulars but it doesn't work when most of our starting 11 full has limitations The vast majority are. The last two seasons have proved that. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 9, 2024 22:43:01 GMT 1
What did he expect going over there? The red carpet treatment and rose petals being thrown. Use your noggin and feck off down the tunnel and avoid the pissed off fans who have turned up and paid good money to watch the shitshow. Just when did all this touring the ground applauding the fans begin? Pretty sure it didn’t go on in the 80’s & 90’s if the team won a game. A quick acknowledgment to the fans as you leave the pitch is enough unless it’s the end of the season and you’ve got into the play-offs or are going up. The way teams celebrate a win these days, you’d think they’d won the Champions League. You might call me a bit daft here, but ever since the way people reacted when Diana died, and rampant social media with the daily kangaroo courts have a lot to answer for with this lot. I don’t mind the odd bit of going daft when we’ve done something spectacular, but it all strikes me as (some) people are now conditioned to have extreme reactions to ordinary things. Probably best that we don’t go overboard, and then the flashpoint stuff doesn’t happen. Anyway, back to the game, not sure what you can pick out of that one, we just seem like a team that’s even more mentally shot than they were last season. Which takes some doing… |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:43:12 GMT 1
The same John Eustace that has won (checks notes) one game since he took over. That's worse than Breitenreiter FFS! Anyone would be better than this chump. So you'd rather have a manager that has won one game in 12, over someone who has won two in nine? Blimey. |
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Post by Flowerdisco on Apr 9, 2024 22:44:00 GMT 1
It's almost as though the two in charge had zero relevant recent experience isn't it??? These two should be made to stand on the touchline at the next home game. It can’t be right that the people responsible can hide in the background. This 💯 |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 9, 2024 22:44:12 GMT 1
No, I'm not arguing with him over something that happened 20 years ago because I can't be arsed. My point still stands that playing entertaining football and losing 5-3 is meaningless. Do you disagree? Might as well play entertaining football and lose 5-3 than shite football and lose 4-1 Killing the second half was an option. Its the option that would have been taken by previous managers. Being all over the place and losing 4 or 5 goals in one half is the issue and the result im afraid.. |
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Post by robinvar on Apr 9, 2024 22:45:05 GMT 1
Let's face it, there is very little of any quality about the club at the moment. Entirely predictable after the horror show of a summer transfers window, Warnock departure and the drawn out love in for one of the worst managers we have ever had. Breitenreiter could be Guardiola, Anclelotti, Klopp or the second coming of Shankley/Stein/Busby/Ramsey and he'd still struggle to get a performance out of this set. Clear out top to bottom, but we won't. We don't have the budget the acumen I suspect.
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Post by Up the Duff. on Apr 9, 2024 22:45:36 GMT 1
What's Worthington ever achieved for you to put him above a manager that has won two promotions to the Bundesliga and a title in Switzerland? I don't think it's what Worthington has achieved more than what this guy hasn't achieved with us. I still think it doesn't matter who you put in charge, league 1 quality is league 1 quality. You can put a bird from Newsome in a nice dress but she will always be a Newsomer She certainly will... probably find her in the Clarence doing the rowing boat too. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 9, 2024 22:45:41 GMT 1
Breitenreiter will leave at the end of the season and have success elsewhere in his managerial career. The bulk of these players will leave at the end of the season and do absolutely fuck all in their careers, hardly any will ever play another minute in the Championship. That's the difference. It’s bizarre your love in with Andre. He’s fucking awful. He hasn’t had any success!!! Breitenreiter became the 14th head coach for Schalke 04 in the last decade on 12 June 2015.[6] He left the club after a single season.[7] He was appointed as the new head coach for Hannover 96 on 20 March 2017.[8] He was sacked on 27 January 2019.[9] In May 2022, he signed for TSG Hoffenheim.[10] He was sacked the following 6 February 2023, with the club three points above the relegation zone.[11] |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 9, 2024 22:46:00 GMT 1
I genuinely don't know if Warnock will feel sorry for us or laughing his bell end off He’s still in touch with a lot of the players. I was in a box on Saturday and we got a visit by an injured player. Absolutely loved Warnock and says he and some of the other lads are in regular contact with him. Tbf, Warnock is probably trying to organise a few clients for his son when we have the relegation fire sale! There’s no way we’re in this position with Warnock, unfortunately Nagles ego got in the way. |
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Post by wigster on Apr 9, 2024 22:46:38 GMT 1
I’m not going to defend Burgzorg but you only see one side of this from the video. At last !!! Delano shows that he DOES care and HAS some passion! What a shame it's not for our club, or his performance on the field. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:47:07 GMT 1
Breitenreiter will leave at the end of the season and have success elsewhere in his managerial career. The bulk of these players will leave at the end of the season and do absolutely fuck all in their careers, hardly any will ever play another minute in the Championship. That's the difference. Breitenreiter became the 14th head coach for Schalke 04 in the last decade on 12 June 2015.[6] He left the club after a single season.[7] He was appointed as the new head coach for Hannover 96 on 20 March 2017.[8] He was sacked on 27 January 2019.[9] In May 2022, he signed for TSG Hoffenheim.[10] He was sacked the following 6 February 2023, with the club three points above the relegation zone.[11] So two promotions and a title win aren't counted as successes anymore? Suppose Worthington's "we played amazing but still lost 5-3" trophy blows those out of the water. |
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Apr 9, 2024 22:47:34 GMT 1
Anyone under threat of a points deduction??? Need something to give me hope we can survive
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Post by utttrooper on Apr 9, 2024 22:48:31 GMT 1
They aren't all just utter shite and can do a job but most have limitations. It's fine to have players like that playing even a couple as starting regulars but it doesn't work when most of our starting 11 full has limitations The vast majority are. The last two seasons have proved that. And who would you name as being utter shite. Whilst players like Pearson and Kasumu have their limitations they will do a decent job most games. Having a few players like them in your starting 11 isn't bad for a team that isn't properly pushing for promotion as long as they're diluted by quality. It's just bad when we have an entire starting line up of players like these that it becomes a problem which shows how the recruitment has constantly let us down by giving us lower end Championship players. Like Steven Chicken has said if everyone has a 5/10 game, which is normal for our players and doesn't make them fucking horrendous, it means a 3/10 team performance |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Apr 9, 2024 22:49:07 GMT 1
It is totally wrong to blame Andre for this mess.
The fault lies with the people who decided to employ a manager who had no previous experience of English football and the Championship in particular, when the club were in a desperate position in the league and he had no time to acclimatise.
Such an appointment should only have been made in the summer.
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Post by Flowerdisco on Apr 9, 2024 22:50:24 GMT 1
Anyone under threat of a points deduction??? Need something to give me hope we can survive Unfortunately Everton aren't in our division |
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Post by rougeboy31 on Apr 9, 2024 22:51:39 GMT 1
It’s bizarre your love in with Andre. He’s fucking awful. He hasn’t had any success!!! Breitenreiter became the 14th head coach for Schalke 04 in the last decade on 12 June 2015.[6] He left the club after a single season.[7] He was appointed as the new head coach for Hannover 96 on 20 March 2017.[8] He was sacked on 27 January 2019.[9] In May 2022, he signed for TSG Hoffenheim.[10] He was sacked the following 6 February 2023, with the club three points above the relegation zone.[11] So two promotions and a title win aren't counted as successes anymore? Suppose Worthington's "we played amazing but still lost 5-3" trophy blows those out of the water. in fairness using Andres past achievements doesn’t help anything. If anything it makes him seem worse. The whole losing 5-3 positivity is based on the mentality of not being afraid to go toe to toe with a top side, something which we haven’t even tried in years. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:51:54 GMT 1
"One More Year" became "Seven More Games", that's where it started.
Then appointing Darren Moore is where it got worse.
Then keeping Darren Moore for 23 games is where it got even worse.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:52:28 GMT 1
So two promotions and a title win aren't counted as successes anymore? Suppose Worthington's "we played amazing but still lost 5-3" trophy blows those out of the water. in fairness using Andres past achievements doesn’t help anything. If anything it makes him seem worse. The whole losing 5-3 positivity is based on the mentality of not being afraid to go toe to toe with a top side, something which we haven’t even tried in years.I guess there's a reason for that. |
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Apr 9, 2024 22:53:58 GMT 1
The home game against Birmingham could very well determine our fate. I can’t say I’m optimistic. We have scraped our way out a few times but it just feels like maybe this is one time too many, I hope I’m wrong
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Post by Wingman on Apr 9, 2024 22:55:47 GMT 1
The home game against Birmingham could very well determine our fate. I can’t say I’m optimistic. We have scraped our way out a few times but it just feels like maybe this is one time too many, I hope I’m wrong Do you know what? I’d take that. Us or them wankers, loser goes down. The atmosphere would be electric, and I’d cream my pants and soak them with urine from laughing afterwards if we won and sent them down. |
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Post by wildhogg on Apr 9, 2024 23:06:32 GMT 1
That was basically a case of Preston going in at half-time and their manager saying to them; "What are you playing at lads? This lot are shit!". After the first goal went in, they absolutely destroyed us with their passing game. The difference in quality was massively apparent.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 9, 2024 23:11:57 GMT 1
The home game against Birmingham could very well determine our fate. I can’t say I’m optimistic. We have scraped our way out a few times but it just feels like maybe this is one time too many, I hope I’m wrong Do you know what? I’d take that. Us or them wankers, loser goes down. The atmosphere would be electric, and I’d cream my pants and soak them with urine from laughing afterwards if we won and sent them down. We were almost in a one game shootout last season. I think such a game would produce an atmosphere, but reckon it would be more like the nervous energy we saw last Saturday. But I’m up for your scenario. Always want Town to survive however we end up achieving that… |
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Post by Uddersfield on Apr 9, 2024 23:15:58 GMT 1
Not sure how Jackson and Wiles got a 4 and a 5 rating respectively on Chickens marks out of 10. Shouldn’t have been higher than a 2.
Completely fell apart against a team who didn’t show anything for 60 minutes. I can’t recall a team where every single player can’t play a 5 yard pass.
I honestly can’t wait to see the back of 90% of this squad. A huge reset needs to happen and hopefully Cartwright doesn’t have a say in any of them.
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Post by Sparrow on Apr 9, 2024 23:19:39 GMT 1
That was basically a case of Preston going in at half-time and their manager saying to them; "What are you playing at lads? This lot are shit!". After the first goal went in, they absolutely destroyed us with their passing game. The difference in quality was massively apparent. This is the biggest difference for me. Lots of other championship teams have genuine championship quality players that can quickly move the ball. Slick one and 2 touch passing and players moving into space. Years of underinvestment have left us in a place where we don’t have players that can do that at championship level. So when they are on the ball, instead of having the ability to quickly pass the ball, they just run with it, before being tackled or closed down and loosing possession. There’s not really a lot that any coach can do, as the players simply aren’t good enough to play at a consistent level in the championship. They are not good enough to quickly and slickly pass the ball at this level. And no matter how much coaching they get, the vast majority of them never will be. The penalty was a massive call tonight. However, what on earth were we doing to even be in a position to give the referee the option. We had good possession of the ball outside our box…….simply players that can’t quickly pass and move at championship level results in us running with the ball and loosing possession. Sadly this time in our own box |
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