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Post by Jack on Apr 7, 2024 18:19:52 GMT 1
The football pyramid is the absolute cornerstone of the English game. Without it you have nothing.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 7, 2024 18:22:20 GMT 1
That relegation V Bham when they sang 'we'll never meet again' would be wonderful to reverse the situation in 3 weeks time, that game along with the Peterborough defeat at OT ranks amongst the low points of my life sentence so far. That's exactly my thoughts. That relegation was really tough to take but seeing/hearing the travelling brummie fans rubbing salt in the wounds made it worse. That and Barry Fry giving it the big'un when they had their promotion party in our house in the 94/95 season makes me feel a redemption is well overdue. It'd be great to secure our survival in the brum game and hammer the final nail in their relegation coffin at the same time. Hope we can seal our survival before the Ipswich game. Going on holiday that day, don't fancy landing in Greece to find out we're playing league one footy 🫣 |
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Post by k1man999 on Apr 7, 2024 18:31:51 GMT 1
I'd never thought of the teams in the USA 'deliberately' losing games towards the end of the season, just to get a better position in the player drafts. That just seems so bonkers and weird, but quite sensible at the same time! It is horrible to get relegated, but I'd rather have promotion and relegation than a fairly static franchise system. Think this is the only time I've shed a tear of upset and anger at a football result. Think one was shed when schindler took that chance, but that was pure joy PS: I'd really, really like to be able to relegate Birmingham City on our last home game of the season. I've been watching Town since the early 70's, but the day we were relegated on the last day of the season (6th May 2001) by losing to Birmingham is the worst feeling ever at a football match. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 7, 2024 18:32:47 GMT 1
I think there’s a few things I could say about US sports, but in their pro leagues it does appear that they try and create as level a playing field as possible.
Compare that to pro sports in the UK, where money rules the roost. Man C and their numerous FFP breaches for instance.
I know money rules the roost in the US, but there are some things that still mean it has a degree of ‘sport’, not the corrupt charade we have to experience here…
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Post by King Curtis on Apr 7, 2024 19:01:15 GMT 1
I think there’s a few things I could say about US sports, but in their pro leagues it does appear that they try and create as level a playing field as possible. Compare that to pro sports in the UK, where money rules the roost. Man C and their numerous FFP breaches for instance. I know money rules the roost in the US, but there are some things that still mean it has a degree of ‘sport’, not the corrupt charade we have to experience here… So level that nobody can either join or fall off the table. I'd argue a league with the jeopardy of relegation has more of a degree of "sport" than the major US sports. |
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Post by willo on Apr 7, 2024 19:09:57 GMT 1
I'd never thought of the teams in the USA 'deliberately' losing games towards the end of the season, just to get a better position in the player drafts. That just seems so bonkers and weird, but quite sensible at the same time! It is horrible to get relegated, but I'd rather have promotion and relegation than a fairly static franchise system. PS: I'd really, really like to be able to relegate Birmingham City on our last home game of the season. I've been watching Town since the early 70's, but the day we were relegated on the last day of the season (6th May 2001) by losing to Birmingham is the worst feeling ever at a football match. That 2001 relegation took a lot out of me, I felt incredibly deflated in the close season and in truth, I still carry a small bit of it in me. If we could put Birmingham down this season after the way their fans goaded and taunted us as we we were relegated back then, that would lay that particular demon to rest. And I had suffered other relegations and other disappointments before but that one really, really felt like a kick in the guts unlike any other. I can imagine there are plenty out there who feel very similar. |
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Post by space hardware on Apr 7, 2024 19:18:43 GMT 1
Yeah, that Birmingham game ranks as one of the lowest of low points I've experienced as a Town fan.
Absolutely gutted.
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Post by Justasmithers on Apr 7, 2024 19:25:10 GMT 1
I think there’s a few things I could say about US sports, but in their pro leagues it does appear that they try and create as level a playing field as possible. Compare that to pro sports in the UK, where money rules the roost. Man C and their numerous FFP breaches for instance. I know money rules the roost in the US, but there are some things that still mean it has a degree of ‘sport’, not the corrupt charade we have to experience here… That’s true. There are faults, but there’s a lot more parity. In the PL, you pretty much know 1 of 4-5 teams will win, with the OCCASIONAL Leicester City breaking through. It’s crazy. Over here, it’s a lot more spread around. And we have a salary cap. |
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Apr 7, 2024 20:28:39 GMT 1
Justasmithers inspires me. He's positive and loves Town. I truly believe good times are ahead.
You can't beat end of season excitement whether it be getting in the play-offs or surviving relegation. Every game now is massive. It's stressful but I love it
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 7, 2024 20:32:01 GMT 1
I'd never thought of the teams in the USA 'deliberately' losing games towards the end of the season, just to get a better position in the player drafts. That just seems so bonkers and weird, but quite sensible at the same time! It is horrible to get relegated, but I'd rather have promotion and relegation than a fairly static franchise system. PS: I'd really, really like to be able to relegate Birmingham City on our last home game of the season. I've been watching Town since the early 70's, but the day we were relegated on the last day of the season (6th May 2001) by losing to Birmingham is the worst feeling ever at a football match. That 2001 relegation took a lot out of me, I felt incredibly deflated in the close season and in truth, I still carry a small bit of it in me. If we could put Birmingham down this season after the way their fans goaded and taunted us as we we were relegated back then, that would lay that particular demon to rest. And I had suffered other relegations and other disappointments before but that one really, really felt like a kick in the guts unlike any other. I can imagine there are plenty out there who feel very similar. If you wait long enough in football, you get the chance to exact revenge. We did it to Peterborough in 2013 when we sent them down, let's do it to Birmingham this time around. |
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Post by Big Ern on Apr 7, 2024 20:42:14 GMT 1
The communication is always welcome and I don't doubt the sincerity at all. However I would make 2 observations: 1 - As you acknowledge as welcome yesterday was there is one he'll of a lot to do. It is absolutely doable but English football is full of twists and turns and the next game, especially in the Championship, is a different challenge. 2 - Moments like the 94th minute yesterday are wonderful but we have been in this situation far too often in recent seasons. If we can escape relegation we need a proper change that will hopefully allow the club to look up, as opposed to down. I hope this isn't seen as being negative but as much as I want us to avoid the drop I want us not to be facing the same challenge next season or the one after that. Relegation would change the narrative and the mood but wouldn't change the need for a different mindset at the club. Whatever the outcome we need to go in a different direction. Of all the things Mr Nagle has learnt this last year I hope that is the foremost. I suspect it is and I am hopeful he'll do what is required to make a real difference. Onto another 90 minutes guaranteed to shred the nerves. Not negative at all. REAL. I can assure you, and that’s why I was quick to say “work is far from over” that I (and my American friend) totally get it. COMPLETELY. Thats why he was there. It’s an obsession. Hopefully we stay up, hopefully we’re safe. Then just watch the summer. His first actual summer in full control with no handcuffs. I can assure you the goal is to not have this type of relegation stretch ever again. Me? I have absolutely not a shred of doubt good things are coming. I’ve seen it time and time again. The foundations are being painfully laid a brick at a time, not always in full view. You? It’s all talk. Time and time again I’m sure you’ve been promised this and that or whatever and I get it. Like carnival barking. Actions and results > words and diaries. But right now that’s all we have. This is going to work brilliantly. And the future is going to be fantastic. But right now of course there’s work to be done, and I’m strongly considering bartering one of my children for about 7-8 more points. They’re good kids, do their homework, and (usually) do their chores. If my Mrs whispered something as beautiful as this to me she would without a doubt be getting the best 5 minutes of passion she's ever had. Just like to edit, I mean the you just watch in the summer part not the last bit! |
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Post by King Curtis on Apr 7, 2024 20:46:54 GMT 1
Justasmithers inspires me. He's positive and loves Town. I truly believe good times are ahead. You can't beat end of season excitement whether it be getting in the play-offs or surviving relegation. Every game now is massive. It's stressful but I love it At least he doesn't tell fans how to support hey Pete? |
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 7, 2024 20:53:41 GMT 1
That relegation V Bham when they sang 'we'll never meet again' would be wonderful to reverse the situation in 3 weeks time, that game along with the Peterborough defeat at OT ranks amongst the low points of my life sentence so far. That's exactly my thoughts. That relegation was really tough to take but seeing/hearing the travelling brummie fans rubbing salt in the wounds made it worse. That and Barry Fry giving it the big'un when they had their promotion party in our house in the 94/95 season makes me feel a redemption is well overdue. It'd be great to secure our survival in the brum game and hammer the final nail in their relegation coffin at the same time. Hope we can seal our survival before the Ipswich game. Going on holiday that day, don't fancy landing in Greece to find out we're playing league one footy 🫣 Plus the Jasper Carrott lookalike not letting us have Ndlovu and signing Nico |
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 7, 2024 20:58:27 GMT 1
That's exactly my thoughts. That relegation was really tough to take but seeing/hearing the travelling brummie fans rubbing salt in the wounds made it worse. That and Barry Fry giving it the big'un when they had their promotion party in our house in the 94/95 season makes me feel a redemption is well overdue. It'd be great to secure our survival in the brum game and hammer the final nail in their relegation coffin at the same time. Hope we can seal our survival before the Ipswich game. Going on holiday that day, don't fancy landing in Greece to find out we're playing league one footy 🫣 Plus the Jasper Carrott lookalike not letting us have Ndlovu and signing Nico ….and Bob fucking Latchford. |
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Post by space hardware on Apr 7, 2024 21:03:01 GMT 1
When you look back, there's a lot of justifiable bad blood towards Birmingham.
They fly under the radar a bit but, to me, they're up there in terms of hated opposition clubs.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 7, 2024 21:09:10 GMT 1
It’s actually worse than that. Finishing third just puts you into the playoffs. Then you have to play the team finishing sixth, home and away. Winners go to Wembley to play the winners of the other match between fourth and fifth. Quite often the third best team throughout the season doesn’t get promoted. Hangover from not getting automatic promotion and teams below in better current form. You could have 20+ points more than the other teams in the playoffs but it means nothing, apart from home advantage in the second leg. Best way to get promotion but absolutely devastating if you don’t. I might be wrong, but didn't Town finish 3rd the first season they introduced the play-offs, thereby missing out on auto promotion...or am I just dreaming that ? You're dreaming, the play offs first appeared in 1986/87 season and we finished 3rd in the 1991/92 season. |
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Apr 7, 2024 21:10:02 GMT 1
Warning, some of this is tongue in cheek but mostly not- As we come to the end of my first full season as a supporter, having watched every second of every match, I’ve come to the conclusion that I get why most supporters don’t have their cheese entirely on their cracker- how COULD you? Relegation is such an awesomely insanely horrific penalty. To think you’d have to deal with all the fallout and then finish top 3 just to get back to where you are today? I hate it yet also wish we had it over here. My Sacramento Kings would’ve been a G-League team for most of my life. My Giants would’ve had some Triple-A moments, and my Niners…..well actually they’re usually fairly good. The problem we have over here, especially in the NBA and NFL, is “tanking”. Teams that are out of playoff contention sometimes will “tank” games to ensure a better draft pick and rest star players. Relegation threats would end that right quick, but unfortunately our greedy owners would never agree to it. I guess I’m writing more than anything to say how great it was to see that goal yesterday at JSS, I’ve watched the Cowshed footage a hundred times, and I woke my wife and kids up running around my backyard at 7am screaming goaalllllllllllll like a crazy person. I KNOW that the work is far from over, and today brings a whole new set of challenges (on a short week), but just for that moment and time, when there have been so many heartbreaks and failures this year, I found myself so happy for all of you just gettting a few minutes/hours of joy. I don’t know what the future holds but I love you guys and can’t wait to ride the rollercoaster with you. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 great post. There are no guarantees in life or football - as football fans we have to accept that. All I/we ask is for passion from top to bottom and an intent to do the right thing for the club, the fans and the community. I love the passion of this post and have complete trust that Kevin and co will do whatever they can to make a success of it, both on and off the pitch. Mate - the allure of Huddersfield Town has fully got a hold of you! Nothing like it…I went to my first match as an 8 year old, and now my 8 year old son has his first season ticket…and he loves it as much as i do. Football is infectious and HTAFC is another level of that - a lifelong love affair. As we know in life, love sometimes hurts but the highs are so high! I’m still on a high from Saturday…with nerves starting to kick in for Tuesday. Great to see that everyone is bleeding blue and white - here’s to that togetherness for the next 5 games and many years to come. UTT |
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Post by royalflush on Apr 7, 2024 22:18:56 GMT 1
Last time we got relegated out of this division i was literally on the floor the way it happened. (A last minute handball goal scored at an another ground coupled with our defeat to Birmingham Dave)Leaving the ground thinking we’d have to watch poor teams come visit for the next 12 months. What we didn’t realise at the time and probably explains over the top reactions every time we currently lose a game is it wasn’t 12 months, it was actually 12 years of absolute shite viewing. 12 years of mostly shite but I actually had some of my favourite moments as a Town fan during those years I'd echo this. Yes, the overall standard was poor but in many ways, I have fonder memories of that 2001-2012 period than I have of 2018-2024. 43 unbeaten Lincoln, Bournemouth & MK play-off semis Two jnjury time goals to beat 10 man Walsall in the craziest match I can recall Finishing 04/05 with 9 straight wins Rhodes super 5 at Wycombe Cardiff The Brighton 7-1 I could carry on |
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Post by suttystolemymarsbar on Apr 7, 2024 22:36:17 GMT 1
Plus the Jasper Carrott lookalike not letting us have Ndlovu and signing Nico ….and Bob fucking Latchford. There has never been redemption for that, so far. Oh Town, we owe them. Do it for us 9 year olds back in 1972. 18th March 1972. Never forget. Bob f******* Latchford |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 7, 2024 22:41:47 GMT 1
12 years of mostly shite but I actually had some of my favourite moments as a Town fan during those years I'd echo this. Yes, the overall standard was poor but in many ways, I have fonder memories of that 2001-2012 period than I have of 2018-2024. 43 unbeaten Lincoln, Bournemouth & MK play-off semis Two jnjury time goals to beat 10 man Walsall in the craziest match I can recall Finishing 04/05 with 9 straight wins Rhodes super 5 at Wycombe Cardiff The Brighton 7-1 I could carry on What about the 2013/17 period? 🤔 |
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Post by ambryboy on Apr 7, 2024 23:02:16 GMT 1
Plus the Jasper Carrott lookalike not letting us have Ndlovu and signing Nico ….and Bob fucking Latchford. Twice, Poole and Lawson. That goes beyond bad luck, he was a f*****g thug. |
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Post by Carlito Brigante on Apr 7, 2024 23:07:25 GMT 1
Seem to remember a last minute winner against QPR late on in the 2001 season where we celebrated well into the night as it felt we had made significant strides into staying up…
Then still went down
A couple of wins asap please 🤞
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Post by gledholt terrier on Apr 7, 2024 23:21:16 GMT 1
Seem to remember a last minute winner against QPR late on in the 2001 season where we celebrated well into the night as it felt we had made significant strides into staying up… Then still went down A couple of wins asap please 🤞 It was a weird season - won 1 game up to the end of November, then a great run of 10 undefeated. But we left Selhurst Park in the penultimate game with just one point after dominating - Delroy missed an absolute sitter, Wimbledon looked entirely disinterested and the few “home” fans there were rooting for us to win to relegate their landlords. But we thought a point was probable enough 🤦♂️ |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 8, 2024 0:09:31 GMT 1
I think there’s a few things I could say about US sports, but in their pro leagues it does appear that they try and create as level a playing field as possible. Compare that to pro sports in the UK, where money rules the roost. Man C and their numerous FFP breaches for instance. I know money rules the roost in the US, but there are some things that still mean it has a degree of ‘sport’, not the corrupt charade we have to experience here… So level that nobody can either join or fall off the table. I'd argue a league with the jeopardy of relegation has more of a degree of "sport" than the major US sports. The first sentence should maybe have been more descriptive, franchise sport ain’t for me. However, at least in a franchise system they have a system to try and create as level a playing field as possible. Compare that with the PL, which if the powers that be had their way, half a dozen clubs would feck off and join a franchised ESL. I would highly doubt that the owners of these clubs would vote for anything like a draft system or a salary cap. They would want to continue their fattest wallet competition and sell it to the highest TV bidder as per the PL of today. I could say the same for F1 as well, these so called sports that are now just entertainment industries, they create controversy to avoid their ‘sporting processions’ being exposed as exactly that. The PL in general bores the pants off me. If it weren’t for wanting Man C to fail in their bid to buy 4 in a row, or Forest to come crashing down, there would be little interest in it. As a competition it’s as corrupt as all those other leagues across the world that we berated 30-40 yrs ago because of blatant corruption. The PL just lives in a different era where it can brush off the criticism on the basis that they offer a great product. Apologies for the ramble, but wanted to make sure I clarified what I was trying to say initially. |
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Post by willo on Apr 8, 2024 0:40:08 GMT 1
I might be wrong, but didn't Town finish 3rd the first season they introduced the play-offs, thereby missing out on auto promotion...or am I just dreaming that ? You're dreaming, the play offs first appeared in 1986/87 season and we finished 3rd in the 1991/92 season. 1987, first div 2 play off final, Charlton Athletic 2, leeds utd 1. And so a precedent was set. I can remember shouting our house down when the shitbags lost that first one. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 8, 2024 6:32:27 GMT 1
You're dreaming, the play offs first appeared in 1986/87 season and we finished 3rd in the 1991/92 season. 1987, first div 2 play off final, Charlton Athletic 2, leeds utd 1. And so a precedent was set. I can remember shouting our house down when the shitbags lost that first one. Unbelievably, it actually went to a replay did the Leeds Charlton play off after it finishing level after 2 legs, played at St Andrews. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Apr 8, 2024 7:02:37 GMT 1
They also had a play off where a team 4th from bottom (guessing) in first division played off against the winner of 2nd division play off, think Chelsea played in it.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Apr 8, 2024 7:06:35 GMT 1
Warning, some of this is tongue in cheek but mostly not- As we come to the end of my first full season as a supporter, having watched every second of every match, I’ve come to the conclusion that I get why most supporters don’t have their cheese entirely on their cracker- how COULD you? Relegation is such an awesomely insanely horrific penalty. To think you’d have to deal with all the fallout and then finish top 3 just to get back to where you are today? I hate it yet also wish we had it over here. My Sacramento Kings would’ve been a G-League team for most of my life. My Giants would’ve had some Triple-A moments, and my Niners…..well actually they’re usually fairly good. The problem we have over here, especially in the NBA and NFL, is “tanking”. Teams that are out of playoff contention sometimes will “tank” games to ensure a better draft pick and rest star players. Relegation threats would end that right quick, but unfortunately our greedy owners would never agree to it. I guess I’m writing more than anything to say how great it was to see that goal yesterday at JSS, I’ve watched the Cowshed footage a hundred times, and I woke my wife and kids up running around my backyard at 7am screaming goaalllllllllllll like a crazy person. I KNOW that the work is far from over, and today brings a whole new set of challenges (on a short week), but just for that moment and time, when there have been so many heartbreaks and failures this year, I found myself so happy for all of you just gettting a few minutes/hours of joy. I don’t know what the future holds but I love you guys and can’t wait to ride the rollercoaster with you. That's all well and good but my Twitter feed is full of incomprehensible tweets about something called Kings. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 8, 2024 7:06:48 GMT 1
They also had a play off where a team 4th from bottom (guessing) in first division played off against the winner of 2nd division play off, think Chelsea played in it. The Leeds Charlton one was the same, Charlton were top flight and stayed up. |
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Post by rubicon on Apr 8, 2024 8:17:42 GMT 1
I have watched Town since i was an 8 yr old in 1966 and it is part and parcel of being a football supporter and would i have it any other way!! No. Yes, there are massive highs and lows and i think it was the 73/74 season when we went down on goal difference but one season in the 20's when we did three league wins in a row, one of them was on goal difference, so like they say "every goal does count. Up The Town Actually goal average, but not to worry. |
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