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Post by araucaria on Apr 8, 2024 18:33:12 GMT 1
I have watched Town since i was an 8 yr old in 1966 and it is part and parcel of being a football supporter and would i have it any other way!! No. Yes, there are massive highs and lows and i think it was the 73/74 season when we went down on goal difference but one season in the 20's when we did three league wins in a row, one of them was on goal difference, so like they say "every goal does count. Up The Town 1972-73 season, we went down on goal average and we'd won on the last day of the season but Cardiff won as well and it relegated us. You are right about 1972-73 and that we won our last game, 2-0 at home to Portsmouth, but in those days matches were played after the cup final, so we finished on 28 April and Cardiff still had two home games left to play. So while it might look like finishing above Cardiff was our best chance of staying up, in fact on our last day we needed to win and for Burnley, who needed just a point to ensure they'd be champions, to win at Preston who had a worse goal average than us. I can still recall the tannoy announcement saying it was a 1-1 draw at Deepdale and the sadness in the guy's voice. Cardiff drew 1-1 at Millwall that day and it was so unlikely that we could stay up at their expense that that result never registered with me. They started our last day above us on goal average and had the two home games in hand, against Sunderland, who they drew 1-1 with on 7 May (!), two days after Sunderland won the Cup Final against Leeds, and Hull, who beat them 2-0 in a match, now meaningless, on 9 May. So although it was a close finish with Cardiff, it certainly didn't feel like it at the time; only eternal optimists didn't know we were done, by Burnley and Preston, the bastards, agreeing a draw on the last day. Looking at our last 6 matches that season, we played all 6 of the clubs involved above, 0-0 at Preston, 0-3 at Sunderland, 0-2 at home to Burnley (grrr), 1-4 at Cardiff, 0-0 at Hull (where John Saunders punched the air at the final whistle, the silly sod) and Portsmouth. The game before Preston was a 1-0 home win against Millwall. Another eerie echo of that season is that we won only 8 games and drew 17 and lost 17 (so if Healey doesn't score we're W8 D17 L16). 2000-01 hurt me a great deal more than 1972-73 did, but at least it all finished on the day and not 9 days later when our dog's chance was finally snuffed out. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 8, 2024 20:28:54 GMT 1
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 And Bobby Madeley is the ref for them midweek 😈 Did anybody point out that Birmingham have only won 3 of their last 13 games with a whopping 10 points from 39? They've only won 3 games away all season and managed 12 points from 63 available. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 8, 2024 20:36:10 GMT 1
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 And Bobby Madeley is the ref for them midweek 😈 Did anybody point out that Birmingham have only won 3 of their last 13 games with a whopping 10 points from 39? They've only won 3 games away all season and managed 12 points from 63 available. They only beat Preston because both Prestons last 2 defenders fell on their arse letting Stansfield go clean through on goal. Absolute freak goal. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Apr 8, 2024 20:41:23 GMT 1
Did anybody point out that Birmingham have only won 3 of their last 13 games with a whopping 10 points from 39? They've only won 3 games away all season and managed 12 points from 63 available. They only beat Preston because both Prestons last 2 defenders fell on their arse letting Stansfield go clean through on goal. Absolute freak goal. I’d be happy for a repeat tomorrow, but I doubt we’ll be that fortunate… |
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Post by ilsonterrier on Apr 8, 2024 20:56:46 GMT 1
Everything had to conspire against us in the final throws of that season, and everything did. So many pieces of a 'Town get relegated' jigsaw falling into place over the last 2 or 3 games. Seem to remember Barnsley playing a team of kids and fringe players on the last day at Pompey..allowing Pompey to get the win they needed to have a chance of staying up. Barnsley boss Nigel Spackman being an ex-Chelsea team mate of Pompey boss Graham Rix. Was a truly grim day and only a year after we blew a chance of getting in the play offs. It's funny how you remember certain things. We'd been away from home on the penultimate Saturday and I went to meet my husband and in-laws at the Harvester at Pride Park after their game. No idea what their result was but, upon being quizzed by one of them, I remember saying that we were pretty much okay. 4 results had to go against us for us to get relegated. We all know what happened next! Along with losing to Peterborough in the playoffs in 1992, it's my lowest point supporting Town |
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Post by mosher on Apr 9, 2024 8:54:37 GMT 1
What about the 2013/17 period? 🤔 That Chris Powell season and a half finished me as a Town fan . Robins did a cracking job with us in my eyes looking back at the squad he had and football he played … and the fact we sold our best players every summer . I was gutted when Robins resigned/got pushed. There were a few fans clamouring for it after the 0-4; "how can we lose 4-0 to that shite" kind of comments, but I was saying how Bournemouth were a good team and would be up there at the end of the season. I didn't expect them to walk away with it like they did, but I think a lot of people saw WHO the 4-0 was against and skewed their opinion somehow, like "shitty little Bournemouth" kind of sentiments. Sliding doors moment IMO |
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Post by oneneilwarnock on Apr 9, 2024 22:25:15 GMT 1
Least you were able to laugh at Leeds fans on twitter Dave, we might play them again in 5 years.
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Post by dugnet on Apr 9, 2024 22:34:21 GMT 1
Unfortunately tonight was always possible and just demonstrates how tough English Championship football is.
The roller coaster may continue on Saturday but the bigger picture is the club has allowed it's self to get in this position. As I keep saying, and I make no apologies for it, things need to change in every sense.
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Post by Bubbles on Apr 9, 2024 22:43:44 GMT 1
Least you were able to laugh at Leeds fans on twitter Dave, we might play them again in 5 years. I still cringe at the announcers dig at the end of the Leeds game..” see you again next season.” Somehow I don’t think we will. So tinpot that,time he hung his mic up. And took the players with him. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 9, 2024 22:45:27 GMT 1
Least you were able to laugh at Leeds fans on twitter Dave, we might play them again in 5 years. I still cringe at the announcers dig at the end of the Leeds game..” see you again next season.” Somehow I don’t think we will. So tinpot that,time he hung his mic up. And took the players with him. Bring back Paul Clark. |
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Post by Bubbles on Apr 9, 2024 22:50:08 GMT 1
I still cringe at the announcers dig at the end of the Leeds game..” see you again next season.” Somehow I don’t think we will. So tinpot that,time he hung his mic up. And took the players with him. Bring back Paul Clark. Ha ha maybe that would be going too far,but think maybe this one’s had his day. And getting back to the topic..no,”we don’t think we like this” either,unfortunately. |
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Post by Wingman on Apr 9, 2024 22:50:25 GMT 1
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 And Bobby Madeley is the ref for them midweek 😈 promise me, if we beat that set of arseholes, you go on X and quote the moron. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 9, 2024 22:59:57 GMT 1
That Chris Powell season and a half finished me as a Town fan . Robins did a cracking job with us in my eyes looking back at the squad he had and football he played … and the fact we sold our best players every summer . I was gutted when Robins resigned/got pushed. There were a few fans clamouring for it after the 0-4; "how can we lose 4-0 to that shite" kind of comments, but I was saying how Bournemouth were a good team and would be up there at the end of the season. I didn't expect them to walk away with it like they did, but I think a lot of people saw WHO the 4-0 was against and skewed their opinion somehow, like "shitty little Bournemouth" kind of sentiments. Sliding doors moment IMO Then after all the talk of continuity he appointed Powell who's style couldn't have been more different to Robins'. |
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Apr 10, 2024 22:18:10 GMT 1
Like the rest of us, you must now be shitting your pants.
We looked dead certain for the drop last night, and yet tonight were some even worse results than ours.
There’s no worse cliffhangers in football than the annual English relegation stakes.
Hopefully Kevin might now appreciate our anxieties and comments. We don’t wish him anything negative nor complaining, we just hope he’s fully awake to the vitality of staying in Division 2.
Enjoy the rollercoaster ride, there’s nothing like it anywhere else in football !!
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Post by Uddersfeeled on Apr 10, 2024 22:36:14 GMT 1
Like the rest of us, you must now be shitting your pants. We looked dead certain for the drop last night, and yet tonight were some even worse results than ours. There’s no worse cliffhangers in football than the annual English relegation stakes. Hopefully Kevin might now appreciate our anxieties and comments. We don’t wish him anything negative nor complaining, we just hope he’s fully awake to the vitality of staying in Division 2. Enjoy the rollercoaster ride, there’s nothing like it anywhere else in football !! All things considered its been an excellent night of results, no Ipswich win aside and a heavier defeat inflicted on Birmingham. To be honest, I'm starting to feel a little sick trying to work out all the permutations to our run in (and others). I can't see it being anything other than a 46th game day of reckoning and I hope our GD doesn't come back to bite us on the arse. I dearly hope we have it resolved before then but to do so we need positive results in our next two games and other results to go our way (apologies if that's stating the bloody obvious). What's Jack's super computer saying now? |
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Post by boooothy on Apr 10, 2024 23:06:10 GMT 1
Despite what seems like favourable results tonight our relegation odds have not changed.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Apr 10, 2024 23:38:17 GMT 1
Despite what seems like favourable results tonight our relegation odds have not changed. That’s cause the bookies are also using the Super Computer |
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Post by Justasmithers on Apr 11, 2024 0:27:07 GMT 1
Like the rest of us, you must now be shitting your pants. We looked dead certain for the drop last night, and yet tonight were some even worse results than ours. There’s no worse cliffhangers in football than the annual English relegation stakes. Hopefully Kevin might now appreciate our anxieties and comments. We don’t wish him anything negative nor complaining, we just hope he’s fully awake to the vitality of staying in Division 2. Enjoy the rollercoaster ride, there’s nothing like it anywhere else in football !! With all the amount of respect that is possible in the world because this is text and I don’t want this to sound ANYTHING but respectful- The idea that Kevin doesn’t understand the looming threat of relegation always blows me away. Not only is it an unconscionable hit to morale, it’s also a financial body blow if there ever was one. And he’d be the first to say things have been far from perfect, but some of this was inherited as well. Plenty of blame to go around, but blame is completely useless (except when evaluating and making changes). Does he understand? You bet your (insert body part) be more than understands. He’s balls deep in the whole process. It literally keeps him up at night. I start my day at 3:30 am and could show you my call sheet where he can’t sleep and we talk about it and other things. Normally I’d keep all that close to the vest but with all the things to properly worry about (and there’s a ton), whether or not the Chairman has (and has always had) a firm grasp on what relegation means is NOT one of them. I really hope that came off how it sounds in my head. I just want you to be reassured about that specific point. |
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Post by Big Ern on Apr 11, 2024 0:50:01 GMT 1
Like the rest of us, you must now be shitting your pants. We looked dead certain for the drop last night, and yet tonight were some even worse results than ours. There’s no worse cliffhangers in football than the annual English relegation stakes. Hopefully Kevin might now appreciate our anxieties and comments. We don’t wish him anything negative nor complaining, we just hope he’s fully awake to the vitality of staying in Division 2. Enjoy the rollercoaster ride, there’s nothing like it anywhere else in football !! With all the amount of respect that is possible in the world because this is text and I don’t want this to sound ANYTHING but respectful- The idea that Kevin doesn’t understand the looming threat of relegation always blows me away. Not only is it an unconscionable hit to morale, it’s also a financial body blow if there ever was one. And he’d be the first to say things have been far from perfect, but some of this was inherited as well. Plenty of blame to go around, but blame is completely useless (except when evaluating and making changes). Does he understand? You bet your (insert body part) be more than understands. He’s balls deep in the whole process. It literally keeps him up at night. I start my day at 3:30 am and could show you my call sheet where he can’t sleep and we talk about it and other things. Normally I’d keep all that close to the vest but with all the things to properly worry about (and there’s a ton), whether or not the Chairman has (and has always had) a firm grasp on what relegation means is NOT one of them. I really hope that came off how it sounds in my head. I just want you to be reassured about that specific point. Most of us with an IQ above 11 understand that the chairman must be absolutely gutted. Those calling him out are venting but in the cold light of day he is solely not to blame. What has happened this season has happened probably 8 or 9 times out of the last 12. That isn't just coincidence, it's because we have persisted in buying potential players in the hope that they come good. Look around the division, your Prestons and Hulls are not completely made up of lower league signings like we are. He inherited a shit show and its still a shit show. The turnaround this club needs is massive but for a million and one reasons it can't just happen overnight. The summer transfer window was poor, that could be down to a variety of reasons but even so we were never going to be able to turn such a poor quality squad around in one window. For me the blame lay solely at the players door. That performance last night was disgusting. For the chairman, the fans and the club. |
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Post by irverino on Apr 11, 2024 9:09:20 GMT 1
Like the rest of us, you must now be shitting your pants. We looked dead certain for the drop last night, and yet tonight were some even worse results than ours. There’s no worse cliffhangers in football than the annual English relegation stakes. Hopefully Kevin might now appreciate our anxieties and comments. We don’t wish him anything negative nor complaining, we just hope he’s fully awake to the vitality of staying in Division 2. Enjoy the rollercoaster ride, there’s nothing like it anywhere else in football !! With all the amount of respect that is possible in the world because this is text and I don’t want this to sound ANYTHING but respectful- The idea that Kevin doesn’t understand the looming threat of relegation always blows me away.
Not only is it an unconscionable hit to morale, it’s also a financial body blow if there ever was one. And he’d be the first to say things have been far from perfect, but some of this was inherited as well. Plenty of blame to go around, but blame is completely useless (except when evaluating and making changes). Does he understand? You bet your (insert body part) be more than understands. He’s balls deep in the whole process. It literally keeps him up at night. I start my day at 3:30 am and could show you my call sheet where he can’t sleep and we talk about it and other things. Normally I’d keep all that close to the vest but with all the things to properly worry about (and there’s a ton), whether or not the Chairman has (and has always had) a firm grasp on what relegation means is NOT one of them. I really hope that came off how it sounds in my head. I just want you to be reassured about that specific point. I've seen clips of you guys watching the remaining games last season from around the home game when we beat Boro 4-2, I'm guessing you haven't missed many games since (if any) & possibly rise at some unearthly time to watch so I don't doubt for one minute you have the Town bug to which their is no known cure (for life)......You inherited a Championship team after last years heroics under NW & we can ALL only hope it remains so at 3pm on May 4th..UTT. |
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Post by Floyds on Apr 11, 2024 9:37:03 GMT 1
With all the amount of respect that is possible in the world because this is text and I don’t want this to sound ANYTHING but respectful- The idea that Kevin doesn’t understand the looming threat of relegation always blows me away. Not only is it an unconscionable hit to morale, it’s also a financial body blow if there ever was one. And he’d be the first to say things have been far from perfect, but some of this was inherited as well. Plenty of blame to go around, but blame is completely useless (except when evaluating and making changes). Does he understand? You bet your (insert body part) be more than understands. He’s balls deep in the whole process. It literally keeps him up at night. I start my day at 3:30 am and could show you my call sheet where he can’t sleep and we talk about it and other things. Normally I’d keep all that close to the vest but with all the things to properly worry about (and there’s a ton), whether or not the Chairman has (and has always had) a firm grasp on what relegation means is NOT one of them. I really hope that came off how it sounds in my head. I just want you to be reassured about that specific point. Most of us with an IQ above 11 understand that the chairman must be absolutely gutted. Those calling him out are venting but in the cold light of day he is solely not to blame. What has happened this season has happened probably 8 or 9 times out of the last 12. That isn't just coincidence, it's because we have persisted in buying potential players in the hope that they come good. Look around the division, your Prestons and Hulls are not completely made up of lower league signings like we are. He inherited a shit show and its still a shit show. The turnaround this club needs is massive but for a million and one reasons it can't just happen overnight. The summer transfer window was poor, that could be down to a variety of reasons but even so we were never going to be able to turn such a poor quality squad around in one window. For me the blame lay solely at the players door. That performance last night was disgusting. For the chairman, the fans and the club. It's all been poor. The summer transfer window / the managerial choices and decisions / the January window. What's actually gone well or improved this season? It could hardly have gone worse had we tried. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 11, 2024 9:41:12 GMT 1
Most of us with an IQ above 11 understand that the chairman must be absolutely gutted. Those calling him out are venting but in the cold light of day he is solely not to blame. What has happened this season has happened probably 8 or 9 times out of the last 12. That isn't just coincidence, it's because we have persisted in buying potential players in the hope that they come good. Look around the division, your Prestons and Hulls are not completely made up of lower league signings like we are. He inherited a shit show and its still a shit show. The turnaround this club needs is massive but for a million and one reasons it can't just happen overnight. The summer transfer window was poor, that could be down to a variety of reasons but even so we were never going to be able to turn such a poor quality squad around in one window. For me the blame lay solely at the players door. That performance last night was disgusting. For the chairman, the fans and the club. It's all been poor. The summer transfer window / the managerial choices and decisions / the January window. What's actually gone well or improved this season? It could hardly have gone worse had we tried. Any improvement under the new regime, and there have been some, has been off the pitch. Not one thing has improved on the pitch, in fact, it's got worse. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 11, 2024 9:58:50 GMT 1
With all the amount of respect that is possible in the world because this is text and I don’t want this to sound ANYTHING but respectful- The idea that Kevin doesn’t understand the looming threat of relegation always blows me away. Not only is it an unconscionable hit to morale, it’s also a financial body blow if there ever was one. And he’d be the first to say things have been far from perfect, but some of this was inherited as well. Plenty of blame to go around, but blame is completely useless (except when evaluating and making changes). Does he understand? You bet your (insert body part) be more than understands. He’s balls deep in the whole process. It literally keeps him up at night. I start my day at 3:30 am and could show you my call sheet where he can’t sleep and we talk about it and other things. Normally I’d keep all that close to the vest but with all the things to properly worry about (and there’s a ton), whether or not the Chairman has (and has always had) a firm grasp on what relegation means is NOT one of them. I really hope that came off how it sounds in my head. I just want you to be reassured about that specific point. Most of us with an IQ above 11 understand that the chairman must be absolutely gutted. Those calling him out are venting but in the cold light of day he is solely not to blame. What has happened this season has happened probably 8 or 9 times out of the last 12. That isn't just coincidence, it's because we have persisted in buying potential players in the hope that they come good. Look around the division, your Prestons and Hulls are not completely made up of lower league signings like we are. He inherited a shit show and its still a shit show. The turnaround this club needs is massive but for a million and one reasons it can't just happen overnight. The summer transfer window was poor, that could be down to a variety of reasons but even so we were never going to be able to turn such a poor quality squad around in one window. For me the blame lay solely at the players door. That performance last night was disgusting. For the chairman, the fans and the club. He inherited a championship club that had just had a very lucky escape due to some very obvious reasons, your points about the squad above being a big one. The job was to improve the squad and consolidate. The first decision to keep on NW to start that task was a masterstroke and one I didn't think they'd be able to pull off due to his desire to retire. From then on in, its been a total shit show. I don't doubt Kevin's passion and commitment one iota but the people he has entrusted with the big decisions have fked up big time, I don't think there's any point pretending different. We're not talking one or even two major decisions, we're talking several which shows rank bad judgement. We all just have to hope we somehow get away with it, again. A few more sleepless nights for us all until it's decided. The thought of going back to L1 is extremely depressing, most of us remember how hard it was to get out last time. The job losses, the players taken for peanuts, the reduced coverage in the TV, media, the poor stadiums, small clubs, poor football, small away followings, poor quality players. It's a world away from the championship. |
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 11, 2024 10:47:48 GMT 1
The ownership have seen the full Warnock effect up close. He is a miracle worker at this level, it doesn’t make any sense how he does it and how no one else can consistently, but the proof is there.
NW keeping us up was an incredible achievement but a bit of a double edge sword in that it gave a false picture of mean squad quality.
I can see why the ownership thought we’d be reasonably safe to change NW when they did unfortunately it’s really laid bare how far off quality wise the squad is at this level.
I don’t think NW helped with his “top half squad” comments on leaving either, he knew as well as the rest of us that wasn’t true and we were likely to be in another relegation battle without serious player additions.
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Post by Floyds on Apr 11, 2024 11:06:55 GMT 1
The ownership have seen the full Warnock effect up close. He is a miracle worker at this level, it doesn’t make any sense how he does it and how no one else can consistently, but the proof is there. NW keeping us up was an incredible achievement but a bit of a double edge sword in that it gave a false picture of mean squad quality. I can see why the ownership thought we’d be reasonably safe to change NW when they did unfortunately it’s really laid bare how far off quality wise the squad is at this level. I don’t think NW helped with his “top half squad” comments on leaving either, he knew as well as the rest of us that wasn’t true and we were likely to be in another relegation battle without serious player additions. We're "only" 10 points off being in midtable. With NW in charge for the season I think it's reasonable to suggest we'd be sitting alongside Sunderland and Watford even with this current squad. Unfortunately our managers since NW have been worse than useless. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 11, 2024 11:15:59 GMT 1
The ownership have seen the full Warnock effect up close. He is a miracle worker at this level, it doesn’t make any sense how he does it and how no one else can consistently, but the proof is there. NW keeping us up was an incredible achievement but a bit of a double edge sword in that it gave a false picture of mean squad quality. I can see why the ownership thought we’d be reasonably safe to change NW when they did unfortunately it’s really laid bare how far off quality wise the squad is at this level. I don’t think NW helped with his “top half squad” comments on leaving either, he knew as well as the rest of us that wasn’t true and we were likely to be in another relegation battle without serious player additions. But isn't that just part of his mind-games? Warnock has always talked his players up. He said that he wouldn't swap our defence for Chelsea's defence as well, and once even said that Sol Bamba was better than Van Djik. One thing he's good at is giving players belief. Look at the promotions he's had, has he ever done it with a bunch of stars? No. He's always done it with workmanlike players, with the odd talented player thrown in. Ask any player who's had success with him, they'll all tell you he's a brilliant man-manager. His methods work for him, and it's easy for his detractors on here to slag him off, but when people talk about Brian Clough's methods everyone laughs and giggles about it. Warnock is no different. |
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 11, 2024 11:20:45 GMT 1
The ownership have seen the full Warnock effect up close. He is a miracle worker at this level, it doesn’t make any sense how he does it and how no one else can consistently, but the proof is there. NW keeping us up was an incredible achievement but a bit of a double edge sword in that it gave a false picture of mean squad quality. I can see why the ownership thought we’d be reasonably safe to change NW when they did unfortunately it’s really laid bare how far off quality wise the squad is at this level. I don’t think NW helped with his “top half squad” comments on leaving either, he knew as well as the rest of us that wasn’t true and we were likely to be in another relegation battle without serious player additions. But isn't that just part of his mind-games? Warnock has always talked his players up. He said that he wouldn't swap our defence for Chelsea's defence as well, and once even said that Sol Bamba was better than Van Djik. One thing he's good at is giving players belief. Look at the promotions he's had, has he ever done it with a bunch of stars? No. He's always done it with workmanlike players, with the odd talented player thrown in. Ask any player who's had success with him, they'll all tell you he's a brilliant man-manager. His methods work for him, and it's easy for his detractors on to slag him off, but when people talk about Brian Clough's methods everyone laughs and giggles about it. Warnock is no different. I don’t disagree I just wonder if he was playing mind games with his outgoing employer because it was more of an acrimonious split than we were told. Maybe you’re right he was just trying to leave the players confident, in which case he would have been frank about squad quality with the ownership behind close doors? That doesn’t seem like what happened to me though, might be wrong. |
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 11, 2024 11:24:06 GMT 1
But isn't that just part of his mind-games? Warnock has always talked his players up. He said that he wouldn't swap our defence for Chelsea's defence as well, and once even said that Sol Bamba was better than Van Djik. One thing he's good at is giving players belief. Look at the promotions he's had, has he ever done it with a bunch of stars? No. He's always done it with workmanlike players, with the odd talented player thrown in. Ask any player who's had success with him, they'll all tell you he's a brilliant man-manager. His methods work for him, and it's easy for his detractors on to slag him off, but when people talk about Brian Clough's methods everyone laughs and giggles about it. Warnock is no different. I don’t disagree I just wonder if he was playing mind games with his outgoing employer because it was more of an acrimonious split than we were told. Maybe you’re right he was just trying to leave the players confident, in which case he would have been frank about squad quality with the ownership behind close doors? That doesn’t seem like what happened to me though, might be wrong. I imagine it was a bit of both on that occasion. I do have to laugh on here, when certain people claim "he just wanted to sign journeymen players". That's all he's ever done in his career! All the promotions he's ever had have been signing journeymen players and making them into world-beaters. |
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Post by royrace on Apr 11, 2024 11:32:17 GMT 1
The ownership have seen the full Warnock effect up close. He is a miracle worker at this level, it doesn’t make any sense how he does it and how no one else can consistently, but the proof is there. NW keeping us up was an incredible achievement but a bit of a double edge sword in that it gave a false picture of mean squad quality. I can see why the ownership thought we’d be reasonably safe to change NW when they did unfortunately it’s really laid bare how far off quality wise the squad is at this level. I don’t think NW helped with his “top half squad” comments on leaving either, he knew as well as the rest of us that wasn’t true and we were likely to be in another relegation battle without serious player additions. I can't. The thing is we have very well paid staff in place to see past the false situation created by the football leagues best ever manager. We have other staff about the place who know football, there was Baldwin also. You could even ask any football fan of a Championship side what they thought about the idea of keeping the same squad that was basically relegated pre Warnock and changing it's manager and they would say don't be silly. I could present my wife with the facts and she'd draw the same conclusion, she knows next to nothing about football. Just shows very poor judgement and possibly a decision motivated by ego and personality clash. On that note if anyone thought it was going to be easy to manage Warnock they were deluded. If they believed the top half squad bollocks then more fool them, certainly with him in charge it could have been, in the same press conference didn't he say Ruffles was the best LB in the champ! FFS that statement alone tells you all you need to know about the validity of what he was saying and why he was saying it. |
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 11, 2024 11:34:49 GMT 1
The ownership have seen the full Warnock effect up close. He is a miracle worker at this level, it doesn’t make any sense how he does it and how no one else can consistently, but the proof is there. NW keeping us up was an incredible achievement but a bit of a double edge sword in that it gave a false picture of mean squad quality. I can see why the ownership thought we’d be reasonably safe to change NW when they did unfortunately it’s really laid bare how far off quality wise the squad is at this level. I don’t think NW helped with his “top half squad” comments on leaving either, he knew as well as the rest of us that wasn’t true and we were likely to be in another relegation battle without serious player additions. I can't. The thing is we have very well paid staff in place to see past the false situation created by the football leagues best ever manager. We have other staff about the place who know football, there was Baldwin also. You could even ask any football fan of a Championship side what they thought about the idea of keeping the same squad that was basically relegated pre Warnock and changing it's manager and they would say don't be silly. I could present my wife with the facts and she'd draw the same conclusion, she knows next to nothing about football. Just shows very poor judgement and possibly a decision motivated by ego and personality clash. On that note if anyone thought it was going to be easy to manage Warnock they were deluded. If they believed the top half squad bollocks then more fool them, certainly with him in charge it could have been, in the same press conference didn't he say Ruffles was the best LB in the champ! FFS that statement alone tells you all you need to know about the validity of what he was saying and why he was saying it. Fair point, I’m sure they saw it as a gamble but if they felt they really couldn’t work with him, I can understand the decision. I didn’t think it would be as bad as it has been, and I’ve been watching 41 years. Maybe I don’t pay enough attention… |
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