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Post by htafcokay on May 13, 2024 9:50:29 GMT 1
I can't believe how many have put automatic promotion down when we have spent the lasst 3-4 years lurching from one poor decision to another. I feel it's unlikely the people responsible for those decisons will suddenly discover the required clarity of thought and make enough right decisions for an immediate return to the Championship but I guess we live in hope. I guess it's the same people that thought we were going to tear the Championship apart in 2019. Or the same people that thought we'd be getting automatic promotion in 2023. |
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Post by Tinpot on May 13, 2024 10:29:23 GMT 1
Get a good manager in and have a good window and I don’t see why we don’t do autos. Because that's not the Huddersfield Town way. We have a proud tradition going back over a third of the club's history without getting automatic promotion, and we're certainly not going to break that tradition now! |
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Post by Fish & Chips on May 13, 2024 11:31:58 GMT 1
Get a good manager in and have a good window and I don’t see why we don’t do autos. Because that's not the Huddersfield Town way. We have a proud tradition going back over a third of the club's history without getting automatic promotion, and we're certainly not going to break that tradition now! Yes, and with the current tinpots in charge the odds are even more stacked against autos. I’ll reserve final judgment until we see who the new manager is and what the transfers look like. |
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Post by runner76 on May 13, 2024 11:34:08 GMT 1
Pointless poll. We don’t know who the manager will be, let alone which players will stay or go, new signings etc. Whoa whoa now!! Steady on. The only wasted poll is the poll you don’t post. #lovedatmpolls |
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Post by Terriersmad on May 13, 2024 11:36:59 GMT 1
Even with the current squad it isn't unrealistic to target the play-offs. Assuming we gained none and retained what we had (which we won't) we have an unbalanced squad but one which has players such as Helik, who is head and shoulders above anyone in League One. Ball retention would be easier - players will look more comfortable on the ball. We have a striker (possibly two) who scores goals. It is unbalanced, but there are raw ingredients there that would mean we'd get results.
We won't have the same squad. Until August, it's speculation. The club should be aiming to build a side that can win the division this season. If it isn't, then there's something even more wrong than we imagined. Now that squad we build might not be initially able to win the league. We might lack some stardust or the defence might be unbalanced, or something. We might lack a bit of depth owing to the poor quality of academy graduates under 21. Who knows at this point? There's a long way to go before we say what this coming season realistically could be. We need a manager/head coach, we need to overhaul the squad.
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Post by maxpower on May 13, 2024 11:57:59 GMT 1
Hate to say this but we've been consistently wank since wagner in all departments Would love to see us storm league 1 but we have to completely turn around the squad, management, culture, mentality and attitude first and that'll take some doing Not sure what people have seen to believe that we'll do well after the last few seasons It's ironic our two play off final managers could be facing each other at Wembley this year.. That must be first I think, can't think of that ever happening before.?? And I think the only 2 managers to achieve the 2 top half/top 15 finishes in the championship going back to 2012.....11 years! |
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Post by Fish & Chips on May 13, 2024 12:21:59 GMT 1
Pointless poll. We don’t know who the manager will be, let alone which players will stay or go, new signings etc. Whoa whoa now!! Steady on. The only wasted poll is the poll you don’t post. #lovedatmpolls I genuinely miss your pointless polls. Why have you stopped, we need a few more please !
How about, "What does Breitenreiter (or Nagle) Eat for Breakfast?" Porridge Weetabix Muesli Bratwurst Eggs Pancakes Cheese ...
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Post by maxpower on May 13, 2024 12:30:16 GMT 1
Whoa whoa now!! Steady on. The only wasted poll is the poll you don’t post. #lovedatmpolls I genuinely miss your pointless polls. Why have you stopped, we need a few more please !
How about, "What does Breitenreiter (or Nagle) Eat for Breakfast?" Porridge Weetabix Muesli Bratwurst Eggs Pancakes Cheese ...
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Post by duncfost01 on May 13, 2024 12:31:32 GMT 1
Some very confident fans out there.
We have no idea what the squad will look like or who the next manager might be.
It’s impossible to say.
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Post by aksaiblue on May 13, 2024 12:35:27 GMT 1
Automatic is a must, if Kev wants to realise his dream, but as others have said: until we know the new manager and the incoming and outgoing players during the summer, it's a lottery as there are some decent teams in the mix and Wycombe Wrexham and Brum all have money to spend. Anyway, sod it I am voting Town Champions L1 24 / 25
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Post by Fish & Chips on May 13, 2024 12:38:25 GMT 1
I genuinely miss your pointless polls. Why have you stopped, we need a few more please !
How about, "What does Breitenreiter (or Nagle) Eat for Breakfast?" Porridge Weetabix Muesli Bratwurst Eggs Pancakes Cheese ...
Where's sugar puffs? I'll leave that for Runner to add to his poll. Cornflakes too, or should it be Frosties? Doubt that as a German he'd eat that sugary crap though. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on May 13, 2024 12:51:43 GMT 1
Automatic is a must, if Kev wants to realise his dream, but as others have said: until we know the new manager and the incoming and outgoing players during the summer, it's a lottery as there are some decent teams in the mix and Wycombe Wrexham and Brum all have money to spend. Anyway, sod it I am voting Town Champions L1 24 / 25 this. We should be aiming autos. Anything else is failure. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 13, 2024 13:30:53 GMT 1
For me it's irrelevant that we don't know who our manager or playing staff will be, we are one of the biggest clubs in the division, we will have one of the largest wage bills & we have an owner who I fully expect to spend money as I suspect he'll be mightily pissed off, as he is not used to losing.
For those reasons, I believe we have every right to have realistic expectations that we will be challenging for promotion.Even with KN's money, Cartwright has to get this window right or else I'm pretty sure if we're not challenging for promotion by Christmas he won't get another chance.
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Post by Sio on May 13, 2024 13:40:48 GMT 1
For me it's irrelevant that we don't know who our manager or playing staff will be, we are one of the biggest clubs in the division, we will have one of the largest wage bills & we have an owner who I fully expect to spend money as I suspect he'll be mightily pissed off, as he is not used to losing. For those reasons, I believe we have every right to have realistic expectations that we will be challenging for promotion.Even with KN's money, Cartwright has to get this window right or else I'm pretty sure if we're not challenging for promotion by Christmas he won't get another chance. Agreed. We should be setting the expectation that the club should get the season right. All of this talk of mid-table or lower is essentially assuming that our managerial appointment and player recruitment will fail. |
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Post by keithAM11532 on May 13, 2024 13:58:50 GMT 1
In the words of Drayltonboy, we will just have to wait and see. (Although I am not happy about it). Too many variables, most noticeably the current squad is fractured and the lack of team spirit is evident. Besides the trimming of bad eggs, there may well be some good eggs that leave as well because of clauses in their contract. Who is going to be left - no clue. Then when you consider, we dont own our ground, we dont own our training facility ( accpeted that we are making improvements there though), and we are in an unfashionable part of the grim North, who would want to come play for us. Yes, there will be plenty of League 2 players who would take our money, looking to advance themesleves, but will they be good enough to make a promotiuon push? Again, no clue. The other option is old championship players looking for a final payday - but they run out of energy on 60 minutes, fit or not fit. I would not put my money on finishing top half (or bottom half for that mater). Its a lottery.
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Post by morrisraspass on May 13, 2024 13:59:38 GMT 1
Pointless poll. We don’t know who the manager will be, let alone which players will stay or go, new signings etc. Whoa whoa now!! Steady on. The only wasted poll is the poll you don’t post. #lovedatmpolls What does "loved at m polls" mean? |
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Post by goodbet on May 13, 2024 14:50:29 GMT 1
For me it's irrelevant that we don't know who our manager or playing staff will be, we are one of the biggest clubs in the division, we will have one of the largest wage bills & we have an owner who I fully expect to spend money as I suspect he'll be mightily pissed off, as he is not used to losing. For those reasons, I believe we have every right to have realistic expectations that we will be challenging for promotion.Even with KN's money, Cartwright has to get this window right or else I'm pretty sure if we're not challenging for promotion by Christmas he won't get another chance. Agreed. We should be setting the expectation that the club should get the season right. All of this talk of mid-table or lower is essentially assuming that our managerial appointment and player recruitment will fail. I made my decision based on where we are now and based on last season what little we can expect from this. Maybe we should be have another survey when the season starts and then another when the window closes, hopefully we will see an improvement as we go on. |
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Post by philstarbuckscoffee on May 13, 2024 15:03:54 GMT 1
I’ve gone 7-12. That isn’t out of being negative but as things stand we have a lot to do:
- Hire a new manager
- Get rid of the bad apples (will need manager want to make his own decisions on players? How long will that take)
- Re-build squad
- Make decisions on the likes of Hogg (extend or not) these decisions will be influenced by manager, playing style, who joins/leaves, budget etc etc.
- Increase fitness/have a great preseason
- Build confidence
- Go on a run of games (our squad is used to losing/drawing week in week out) they don’t know how to string wins together
Just think it is going to take a lot to bounce back at the first attempt. I can live with that providing there is some progress that we can see on the pitch. I could live with a top half finish next year and then mount a title challenge the year after. UTT
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Post by huddshroom on May 13, 2024 15:09:34 GMT 1
SkyBet have us second favourites currently behind Brummies
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Post by dxterrier on May 13, 2024 15:17:30 GMT 1
Winning the division must be the aim, especially as its the only division title we haven't won.
However we have already made our first mistake by keeping Bert and Ernie (aka Cartwright and Edwards), who have been abysmal and IMO not fit for purpose.
So given we will almost certainly lose any decent player, and those we can't sell won't want to be here and know they will get away with downing tools, while whichever unfortunate soul that becomes manager is the scapegoat while bert and ernie are in charge....Then its bottom half flirting with relegation at best and if we are not nearly relegated then very actually relegated
Now AB has made it perfectly clear what sort of mess this club is in, we will struggle to attract any decent players. The reset should have started with those 2, who couldn't run a subbuteo team let alone a professional league team
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Post by goodbet on May 13, 2024 15:26:04 GMT 1
The thread is titled "realistic-expectations"
So I voted based on the squad as it stands without a manager and Bert & Ernie in charge.
So my selection is way off the aim of winning the league.
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Post by runner76 on May 13, 2024 15:50:52 GMT 1
Whoa whoa now!! Steady on. The only wasted poll is the poll you don’t post. #lovedatmpolls What does "loved at m polls" mean? Love Down At The Mac Polls |
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Post by Jack on May 15, 2024 19:16:14 GMT 1
In the last 19 seasons.... of the 57 teams relegated from the Championship only 15 have been promoted straight back the following year.
Of those 15 promotions.... 7 were as champions, 5 as runners up and 3 via the play-offs.
Statistically speaking that's just over a 25% probability we go back up next year. But if we do the chances (80%) are that it would be automatically.
Interestingly only once have all 3 relegated teams been promoted the following year - 2017/18 (Wigan, Blackburn & Rotherham).
Another interesting fact is that during those 19 seasons Rotherham have been relegated from the championship 5 times (!) and they have bounced back immediately 3 times.
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Post by goodbet on May 15, 2024 20:03:19 GMT 1
In the last 19 seasons.... of the 57 teams relegated from the Championship only 15 have been promoted straight back the following year. Of those 15 promotions.... 7 were as champions, 5 as runners up and 3 via the play-offs. Statistically speaking that's just over a 25% probability we go back up next year. But if we do the chances (80%) are that it would be automatically. Interestingly only once have all 3 relegated teams been promoted the following year - 2017/18 (Wigan, Blackburn & Rotherham). Another interesting fact is that during those 19 seasons Rotherham have been relegated from the championship 5 times (!) and they have bounced back immediately 3 times. I'm fun at parties. It took us 11 years last time. |
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Post by runner76 on May 16, 2024 8:48:53 GMT 1
In the last 19 seasons.... of the 57 teams relegated from the Championship only 15 have been promoted straight back the following year. Of those 15 promotions.... 7 were as champions, 5 as runners up and 3 via the play-offs. Statistically speaking that's just over a 25% probability we go back up next year. But if we do the chances (80%) are that it would be automatically. Interestingly only once have all 3 relegated teams been promoted the following year - 2017/18 (Wigan, Blackburn & Rotherham). Another interesting fact is that during those 19 seasons Rotherham have been relegated from the championship 5 times (!) and they have bounced back immediately 3 times. I'm fun at parties. It took us 11 years last time. You’re less fun at parties  |
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on May 16, 2024 8:54:46 GMT 1
Mid table at the moment. We need to completely change the culture and a majority of the playing staff, whilst getting them to develop as a team.
Why do people think we will walk it? At the moment we have the same team as last year and we couldn't beat those who came up last year and Birmingham.
Meanwhile Rotherham are signing decent players.
Some egos need to understand that there's no easy leagues, especially when you are a disfunctional poor side.
I bet reading thought the same.
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Post by irverino on May 16, 2024 9:01:48 GMT 1
SkyBet have us second favourites currently behind Brummies In the Championship next season they have Plymouth favourites to go down with PNE & Cardiff next........Not sure why two mid table teams should all of a sudden become bottom three candidates, have I missed something? |
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Post by goodbet on May 16, 2024 9:25:50 GMT 1
It took us 11 years last time. You’re less fun at parties Very true  |
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Post by townarentbest on May 16, 2024 9:31:44 GMT 1
Mid table at the moment. We need to completely change the culture and a majority of the playing staff, whilst getting them to develop as a team. Why do people think we will walk it? At the moment we have the same team as last year and we couldn't beat those who came up last year and Birmingham. Meanwhile Rotherham are signing decent players. Some egos need to understand that there's no easy leagues, especially when you are a disfunctional poor side. I bet reading thought the same. I bet most Reading supporters were expecting them to tumble further...they went down as a club in a similar state to what we were at in the early 2000's. |
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Post by gumsoul on May 16, 2024 12:33:30 GMT 1
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