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Post by ColchTerrier on May 18, 2024 19:55:28 GMT 1
Tough tough league next year It’s really not, but it will be a slog. We really need to try get as close to 30pts first 10 games as possible. The confidence + a good January will hopefully see us through. |
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Post by rockwall on May 18, 2024 20:19:00 GMT 1
Tough tough league next year Is it bollocks. Only tough if you make it that way. We should at a minimum secure a play off place easily. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 18, 2024 20:26:30 GMT 1
It may be tough but little quality. By tough I mean physically.
Wasn’t that long ago Forest, Leeds, Southampton, Leicester, Brighton, Bournemouth etc were in it.
Anything but top 2 will be a disappointment in my opinion.
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on May 18, 2024 20:27:08 GMT 1
The games changed so much
We’ve been in the top two divisions for a 10 years
We’ve got a billionaire backer
We’ve got a couple of strikers who could do a job in the championship
A decent if not very good league one manager who Swansea paid a huge fee to get.
Players who played in a championship play off final.
Let’s see what happens transfer wise but I’m extremely confident of at least a play off place
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Post by htafcokay on May 18, 2024 20:40:08 GMT 1
The games changed so much We’ve been in the top two divisions for a 10 years We’ve got a billionaire backer We’ve got a couple of strikers who could do a job in the championship A decent if not very good league one manager who Swansea paid a huge fee to get. Players who played in a championship play off final. Let’s see what happens transfer wise but I’m extremely confident of at least a play off place Who? |
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Post by theterrier42 on May 18, 2024 20:47:20 GMT 1
The games changed so much We’ve been in the top two divisions for a 10 years We’ve got a billionaire backer We’ve got a couple of strikers who could do a job in the championship A decent if not very good league one manager who Swansea paid a huge fee to get. Players who played in a championship play off final. Let’s see what happens transfer wise but I’m extremely confident of at least a play off place Who? Hudlin and Simpson |
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Post by dxterrier on May 18, 2024 20:54:01 GMT 1
The games changed so much We’ve been in the top two divisions for a 10 years We’ve got a billionaire backer We’ve got a couple of strikers who could do a job in the championship A decent if not very good league one manager who Swansea paid a huge fee to get. Players who played in a championship play off final. Let’s see what happens transfer wise but I’m extremely confident of at least a play off place Unless the toxic culture is rooted out and booted out we have no chance and will have another bad season, I really hope that culture can be changed but I really think after AB being so public about it we will struggle to attract players. If you were an agent would you really be advising your players to come here, unless the money involved was top end, which it won't be |
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on May 18, 2024 21:36:43 GMT 1
The games changed so much We’ve been in the top two divisions for a 10 years We’ve got a billionaire backer We’ve got a couple of strikers who could do a job in the championship A decent if not very good league one manager who Swansea paid a huge fee to get. Players who played in a championship play off final. Let’s see what happens transfer wise but I’m extremely confident of at least a play off place Who? Healey Defo Bojan maybe |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on May 18, 2024 21:39:47 GMT 1
The games changed so much We’ve been in the top two divisions for a 10 years We’ve got a billionaire backer We’ve got a couple of strikers who could do a job in the championship A decent if not very good league one manager who Swansea paid a huge fee to get. Players who played in a championship play off final. Let’s see what happens transfer wise but I’m extremely confident of at least a play off place Unless the toxic culture is rooted out and booted out we have no chance and will have another bad season, I really hope that culture can be changed but I really think after AB being so public about it we will struggle to attract players. If you were an agent would you really be advising your players to come here, unless the money involved was top end, which it won't be Big crowds for this level, a decent manager and a good shot at promotion. And Kev seems happy to pay for players who can make the difference. Can’t see many issues. |
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Post by Sio on May 18, 2024 21:45:33 GMT 1
The games changed so much We’ve been in the top two divisions for a 10 years We’ve got a billionaire backer We’ve got a couple of strikers who could do a job in the championship A decent if not very good league one manager who Swansea paid a huge fee to get. Players who played in a championship play off final. Let’s see what happens transfer wise but I’m extremely confident of at least a play off place Unless the toxic culture is rooted out and booted out we have no chance and will have another bad season, I really hope that culture can be changed but I really think after AB being so public about it we will struggle to attract players. If you were an agent would you really be advising your players to come here, unless the money involved was top end, which it won't be It'll be top end for the division, so we should be able to attract top players for this division. 100 points minimum. |
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Post by dxterrier on May 18, 2024 22:09:31 GMT 1
Unless the toxic culture is rooted out and booted out we have no chance and will have another bad season, I really hope that culture can be changed but I really think after AB being so public about it we will struggle to attract players. If you were an agent would you really be advising your players to come here, unless the money involved was top end, which it won't be Big crowds for this level, a decent manager and a good shot at promotion. And Kev seems happy to pay for players who can make the difference. Can’t see many issues. Big crowds possibly, a lot won't bother after last few years and won't be any more than at least 7 or 8 other clubs, there are a lot of us angry at last season and further back than that, i'm one of them mostly because no lessons have been learned and Kev has made a huge mistake leaving Bert and Ernie in charge and we will only go further down with them in charge. I saw the presser and Cartwright is deluded and clueless if he thinks we are better off than 12 months ago, and says the budget is still in place even though we have been relegated, thats not even possible IMO its just hot air from a guy who has not learnt a thing. Already backtracking from his "we don't need to sell" to "There probably won't be a fire sale" Seen it all before, we may have a budget but will be smaller than at least 10 clubs in league 1 and we will sell anyone we can get a fee for. Decent manager....yet to be seen Good shot at promotion....Unless the bad eggs are rooted out or reformed, not a chance Happy to pay for players...maybe but with the current culture of the club we will not be the prefered destination of many Sorry maybe i'm so angry that i'm blinded but all I can see is a toxic club from top to bottom, with a pair of absolute assclowns running the show and a squad that don't give 2 F**ks, that squad, if they cared enough could have stayed up and I see another bad season ahead where if not nearly dropping into the 4th division then actually dropping into the 4th division. We need a return to the days of proud and honoured to wear the shirt and I so hope the Duff can do that |
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Post by jakeg on May 18, 2024 22:26:25 GMT 1
I keep hearing about this toxic culture and I have idea where to stand on this. On the one hand an experienced manager has called out the problems he sees and I have no reason not to believe him.
But I've moved into lots of new leadership positions and always, whilst listening to what people tell me, think it's important to make my own mind up. Maybe there are people I might struggle to work with or get aligned with what I want. But they might not be the same people the last person in charge had issues with.
Duff has experience and needs the opportunity to assess. I just feel its a bit too easy to fall into this toxic culture narrative as the very simple reason why it all went to shit last season. Especially when the same players....in the main....stormed out of trouble the previous season.
Nothing is ever as simple as it seems....people are involved. With all their interpersonal relationships, their strengths and weaknesses as individuals and as a team.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 18, 2024 22:27:13 GMT 1
Big crowds for this level, a decent manager and a good shot at promotion. And Kev seems happy to pay for players who can make the difference. Can’t see many issues. Big crowds possibly, a lot won't bother after last few years and won't be any more than at least 7 or 8 other clubs, there are a lot of us angry at last season and further back than that, i'm one of them mostly because no lessons have been learned and Kev has made a huge mistake leaving Bert and Ernie in charge and we will only go further down with them in charge. I saw the presser and Cartwright is deluded and clueless if he thinks we are better off than 12 months ago, and says the budget is still in place even though we have been relegated, thats not even possible IMO its just hot air from a guy who has not learnt a thing. Already backtracking from his "we don't need to sell" to "There probably won't be a fire sale" Seen it all before, we may have a budget but will be smaller than at least 10 clubs in league 1 and we will sell anyone we can get a fee for.Decent manager....yet to be seen Good shot at promotion....Unless the bad eggs are rooted out or reformed, not a chance Happy to pay for players...maybe but with the current culture of the club we will not be the prefered destination of many Sorry maybe i'm so angry that i'm blinded but all I can see is a toxic club from top to bottom, with a pair of absolute assclowns running the show and a squad that don't give 2 F**ks, that squad, if they cared enough could have stayed up and I see another bad season ahead where if not nearly dropping into the 4th division then actually dropping into the 4th division. We need a return to the days of proud and honoured to wear the shirt and I so hope the Duff can do that Genuine question, I'll go with you being genuine in your belief of this rather than you being a WUM, who are the 10 clubs, in League 1 who will have bigger budgets than ours? |
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Post by Mastercracker on May 18, 2024 22:30:24 GMT 1
Big crowds possibly, a lot won't bother after last few years and won't be any more than at least 7 or 8 other clubs, there are a lot of us angry at last season and further back than that, i'm one of them mostly because no lessons have been learned and Kev has made a huge mistake leaving Bert and Ernie in charge and we will only go further down with them in charge. I saw the presser and Cartwright is deluded and clueless if he thinks we are better off than 12 months ago, and says the budget is still in place even though we have been relegated, thats not even possible IMO its just hot air from a guy who has not learnt a thing. Already backtracking from his "we don't need to sell" to "There probably won't be a fire sale" Seen it all before, we may have a budget but will be smaller than at least 10 clubs in league 1 and we will sell anyone we can get a fee for.Decent manager....yet to be seen Good shot at promotion....Unless the bad eggs are rooted out or reformed, not a chance Happy to pay for players...maybe but with the current culture of the club we will not be the prefered destination of many Sorry maybe i'm so angry that i'm blinded but all I can see is a toxic club from top to bottom, with a pair of absolute assclowns running the show and a squad that don't give 2 F**ks, that squad, if they cared enough could have stayed up and I see another bad season ahead where if not nearly dropping into the 4th division then actually dropping into the 4th division. We need a return to the days of proud and honoured to wear the shirt and I so hope the Duff can do that Genuine question, I'll go with you being genuine in your belief of this rather than you being a WUM, who are the 10 clubs, in League 1 who will have bigger budgets than ours? Seriously, no other clubs fanbase does this nonsense 😂 |
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Post by jakeg on May 18, 2024 22:30:38 GMT 1
I keep hearing about this toxic culture and I have idea where to stand on this. On the one hand an experienced manager has called out the problems he sees and I have no reason not to believe him. But I've moved into lots of new leadership positions and always, whilst listening to what people tell me, think it's important to make my own mind up. Maybe there are people I might struggle to work with or get aligned with what I want. But they might not be the same people the last person in charge had issues with. Duff has experience and needs the opportunity to assess. I just feel its a bit too easy to fall into this toxic culture narrative as the very simple reason why it all went to shit last season. Especially when the same players....in the main....stormed out of trouble the previous season. Nothing is ever as simple as it seems....people are involved. With all their interpersonal relationships, their strengths and weaknesses as individuals and as a team. For what it's worth my expectations for next season are to allow the new manager to assess....the owner to back him up reshaping the squad ready for what is to come. I see absolutely no reason....based on what I observe and the lessons from history....why we shouldn't expect to seriously challenge for automatic promotion. In fact why would we all bother if that wasn't a realistic ambition for a newly relegated team with decent crowds and resources. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 18, 2024 22:55:53 GMT 1
Tough tough league next year Nah. Birmingham will chuck money at it so they ought to be thereabouts, as will Posh. Barnsley, Rotherham, Charlton (maybe) will be in the mix but fall away. Wrexham will be mid-table at best, their surge has to end at some stage. Bolton will be a spent force after they didn’t turn up at Wembley today; Evatt looked a broken man. The rest are just league filler teams. Town? I’m going to keep my powder dry until the in’s and out’s start. Oxford would have been called a filler team last summer and they've gone up. There's always some surprise packages |
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Post by maxpower on May 18, 2024 23:12:38 GMT 1
We've had a losing mentality for quite a few seasons and it will take quite abit of effort to change that
Even under Lee Clarke we complained about too many draws
Would love to start next season banging the goals in and winning matches but got nothing to suggest we will apart from new manager
Fingers and toes crossed
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Post by dxterrier on May 18, 2024 23:15:08 GMT 1
Big crowds possibly, a lot won't bother after last few years and won't be any more than at least 7 or 8 other clubs, there are a lot of us angry at last season and further back than that, i'm one of them mostly because no lessons have been learned and Kev has made a huge mistake leaving Bert and Ernie in charge and we will only go further down with them in charge. I saw the presser and Cartwright is deluded and clueless if he thinks we are better off than 12 months ago, and says the budget is still in place even though we have been relegated, thats not even possible IMO its just hot air from a guy who has not learnt a thing. Already backtracking from his "we don't need to sell" to "There probably won't be a fire sale" Seen it all before, we may have a budget but will be smaller than at least 10 clubs in league 1 and we will sell anyone we can get a fee for.Decent manager....yet to be seen Good shot at promotion....Unless the bad eggs are rooted out or reformed, not a chance Happy to pay for players...maybe but with the current culture of the club we will not be the prefered destination of many Sorry maybe i'm so angry that i'm blinded but all I can see is a toxic club from top to bottom, with a pair of absolute assclowns running the show and a squad that don't give 2 F**ks, that squad, if they cared enough could have stayed up and I see another bad season ahead where if not nearly dropping into the 4th division then actually dropping into the 4th division. We need a return to the days of proud and honoured to wear the shirt and I so hope the Duff can do that Genuine question, I'll go with you being genuine in your belief of this rather than you being a WUM, who are the 10 clubs, in League 1 who will have bigger budgets than ours? Its opinion not fact, based on a belief that cartwrights talk of budget is hot air Birmingham Peterboro Bolton Wrexham Charlton Wigan Blackpool rotherham barnsley reading I could be and hope i'm wrong I just have no faith in the ownership and also think due to the culture of the club that any club in the above list is a far more attractive destination than we are. I'm no WUM have been a fan for 44 years i'm just totally disillusioned at the minute because the current problems at the club have been festering for years and nobody has learnt from it. As I said maybe i'm blinded by anger at the situation. I remember shaking buckets in 2003 to keep the club afloat and can see history repeating itself. I don't see KN sticking around if we have another bad season, I just see him and carwright as Ruberry and Ayre Mark 2 |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on May 18, 2024 23:31:34 GMT 1
Wigan, Blackpool, Posh and Barnsley are good clubs, but they are not quite at our level. They don’t have the financial muscle, if we used it right. We dropped £4m in January.
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Post by irverino on May 19, 2024 2:30:00 GMT 1
We've had a losing mentality for quite a few seasons and it will take quite abit of effort to change that Even under Lee Clarke we complained about too many draws Would love to start next season banging the goals in and winning matches but got nothing to suggest we will apart from new manager Fingers and toes crossed The argument's about Lee Clark with Dean came to ahead after the OT disaster, we had one of the best league one squads by a mile but we just didn't have the qualified engine driver, fair play to DH (was his brass) who eventually realised LC was not the man.........We had a hands on life time owner back then & he was frustrated it took so long, I'm pleased Dean & Kevin still keep in touch just incase a word from experience is needed. |
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Post by rockwall on May 19, 2024 6:59:43 GMT 1
Big crowds for this level, a decent manager and a good shot at promotion. And Kev seems happy to pay for players who can make the difference. Can’t see many issues. Big crowds possibly, a lot won't bother after last few years and won't be any more than at least 7 or 8 other clubs, there are a lot of us angry at last season and further back than that, i'm one of them mostly because no lessons have been learned and Kev has made a huge mistake leaving Bert and Ernie in charge and we will only go further down with them in charge. I saw the presser and Cartwright is deluded and clueless if he thinks we are better off than 12 months ago, and says the budget is still in place even though we have been relegated, thats not even possible IMO its just hot air from a guy who has not learnt a thing. Already backtracking from his "we don't need to sell" to "There probably won't be a fire sale" Seen it all before, we may have a budget but will be smaller than at least 10 clubs in league 1 and we will sell anyone we can get a fee for. Decent manager....yet to be seen Good shot at promotion....Unless the bad eggs are rooted out or reformed, not a chance Happy to pay for players...maybe but with the current culture of the club we will not be the prefered destination of many Sorry maybe i'm so angry that i'm blinded but all I can see is a toxic club from top to bottom, with a pair of absolute assclowns running the show and a squad that don't give 2 F**ks, that squad, if they cared enough could have stayed up and I see another bad season ahead where if not nearly dropping into the 4th division then actually dropping into the 4th division. We need a return to the days of proud and honoured to wear the shirt and I so hope the Duff can do that Not a chance we are going down to the 4th division. Absolute nonsense. |
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Post by Sio on May 19, 2024 7:32:45 GMT 1
Genuine question, I'll go with you being genuine in your belief of this rather than you being a WUM, who are the 10 clubs, in League 1 who will have bigger budgets than ours? Its opinion not fact, based on a belief that cartwrights talk of budget is hot air Birmingham Peterboro Bolton Wrexham Charlton Wigan Blackpool rotherham barnsley reading I could be and hope i'm wrong I just have no faith in the ownership and also think due to the culture of the club that any club in the above list is a far more attractive destination than we are. I'm no WUM have been a fan for 44 years i'm just totally disillusioned at the minute because the current problems at the club have been festering for years and nobody has learnt from it. As I said maybe i'm blinded by anger at the situation. I remember shaking buckets in 2003 to keep the club afloat and can see history repeating itself. I don't see KN sticking around if we have another bad season, I just see him and carwright as Ruberry and Ayre Mark 2 Are you not arguably contributing to that culture in the way you're talking us down? I appreciate we need to be sensible with our expectations going into this season but you're taking it to another level. I'd imagine at most three clubs in that list above will be competing with us financially. Perhaps we as fans need to stop this downplaying of our historic and attractive football club. |
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Post by dugnet on May 19, 2024 8:31:55 GMT 1
It's still far too early to say what we should realistically expect next season. There's a big difference between what we should expect and what we want to see.
Duff has made a good first impression. He strikes me as ambitious and clearly takes a lot from Sean Dyche. Does that mean he is or will be any good? Obviously it guarantees nothing. I do however think he has taken this job in the belief that he can be successful. He knows that for his career, if he has the high aspirations I think he does, his next appointment has to be successful. To that end he has more than enough motivation to take this job by the scruff of the neck and take us forward, in a fresh direction.
I read the concerns about those in charge and how significant the budget might be. I can understand the scepticism but I think Duff will be strident in challenging upwards to get the support he wants.
I can't see how we have any chance of being successful if we don't have major surgery to the squad. I think it is absolutely required but of course any big change takes time to find it's level and start to deliver results. For that reason next season might be more of a slower burn than many would want. Unfortunately that's just being realistic. I'm encouraged by Duff's enthusiasm to get to work. If we are to have any chance next season of bouncing back the work done in these few weeks is absolutely critical.
I don't think it is a bad thing that we don't hear much now from the club. Let them get on with what is required and we can start making judgements in pre season and the run up to August 10.
I don't think we should under estimate what is needed. Equally knowing that I think it is important the club show real intent. To that degree, and given we are starting again as a League One club, the appointment of Duff looks a solid start.
Hopefully my renewed optimism isn't misplaced.
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Post by 2ellandback on May 19, 2024 9:15:41 GMT 1
Genuine question, I'll go with you being genuine in your belief of this rather than you being a WUM, who are the 10 clubs, in League 1 who will have bigger budgets than ours? Its opinion not fact, based on a belief that cartwrights talk of budget is hot air Birmingham Peterboro Bolton Wrexham Charlton Wigan Blackpool rotherham barnsley reading I could be and hope i'm wrong I just have no faith in the ownership and also think due to the culture of the club that any club in the above list is a far more attractive destination than we are. I'm no WUM have been a fan for 44 years i'm just totally disillusioned at the minute because the current problems at the club have been festering for years and nobody has learnt from it. As I said maybe i'm blinded by anger at the situation. I remember shaking buckets in 2003 to keep the club afloat and can see history repeating itself. I don't see KN sticking around if we have another bad season, I just see him and carwright as Ruberry and Ayre Mark 2 You are clearly a WUM. You include Barnsley in your summary. A week ago Duff chose Huddersfield over Barnsley. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on May 19, 2024 9:22:05 GMT 1
Wigan, Blackpool, Posh and Barnsley are good clubs, but they are not quite at our level. They don’t have the financial muscle, if we used it right. We dropped £4m in January. I would love us to absolutely piss league one but it is not an easy league to get out of. If Kevin is ambitious and wants us up it's going to take an influx of new blood and a ruthless culling of the bad lads in the squad. |
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Post by Jimuano on May 19, 2024 9:29:20 GMT 1
If we're going to be implementing the 'reset', then we're probably going to be splashing quite a bit of cash, and we'll be up there as the favourites to go straight back up to the Championship.
That in itself will act as motivation to many other clubs in league one to put in great performances when they play us, with their fans wanting to dish out a loss to us big(ger) boys.
Many other side's cup final if you like.
Not gonna be as easy as some are making out.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on May 19, 2024 9:32:29 GMT 1
Big crowds possibly, a lot won't bother after last few years and won't be any more than at least 7 or 8 other clubs, there are a lot of us angry at last season and further back than that, i'm one of them mostly because no lessons have been learned and Kev has made a huge mistake leaving Bert and Ernie in charge and we will only go further down with them in charge. I saw the presser and Cartwright is deluded and clueless if he thinks we are better off than 12 months ago, and says the budget is still in place even though we have been relegated, thats not even possible IMO its just hot air from a guy who has not learnt a thing. Already backtracking from his "we don't need to sell" to "There probably won't be a fire sale" Seen it all before, we may have a budget but will be smaller than at least 10 clubs in league 1 and we will sell anyone we can get a fee for. Decent manager....yet to be seen Good shot at promotion....Unless the bad eggs are rooted out or reformed, not a chance Happy to pay for players...maybe but with the current culture of the club we will not be the prefered destination of many Sorry maybe i'm so angry that i'm blinded but all I can see is a toxic club from top to bottom, with a pair of absolute assclowns running the show and a squad that don't give 2 F**ks, that squad, if they cared enough could have stayed up and I see another bad season ahead where if not nearly dropping into the 4th division then actually dropping into the 4th division. We need a return to the days of proud and honoured to wear the shirt and I so hope the Duff can do that Not a chance we are going down to the 4th division. Absolute nonsense. The whole post is nonsense. Think dx just needs a cuddle |
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Post by goodbet on May 19, 2024 9:35:18 GMT 1
Wigan, Blackpool, Posh and Barnsley are good clubs, but they are not quite at our level. They don’t have the financial muscle, if we used it right. We dropped wasted £4m in January. |
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Post by ram on May 19, 2024 9:54:35 GMT 1
From the look of the retained list we will have the same 1st team as last season {you know those that got us relegated} 10 new boys needed,minimum,to supplement the squad to have any chance of promotion.
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Post by benroberts on May 19, 2024 10:04:59 GMT 1
Given the last few seasons (2021-22 aside) I think that turning around the fortunes of the club and finishing in the automatic promotion spots is a massive ask. Obviously I hope that Duff and Co are the right people to get us there, but have a gut feeling that a play-off spot is a more realistic prediction.
That being said I am looking forward to next season. My Dad is 76 this year, is based in Shropshire and has renewed his season ticket! I'm looking forward to flying over for some away games close to his home - Shrewsbury and Wrexham. I got to 3 home games last season and saw 3 draws and one town goal. I hope that we have a positive season and bring back some feelgood factor. I'm going to make a prediction that Bojan is going to flourish in league one and become a regular goalscorer. I hope I haven't given him the kiss of death with that one!
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