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Post by dxterrier on May 19, 2024 10:26:17 GMT 1
Not a chance we are going down to the 4th division. Absolute nonsense. The whole post is nonsense. Think dx just needs a cuddle Appreciate the sentiment, but will give the cuddle a miss, not and have never been a hugger |
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Post by dxterrier on May 19, 2024 10:30:02 GMT 1
Its opinion not fact, based on a belief that cartwrights talk of budget is hot air Birmingham Peterboro Bolton Wrexham Charlton Wigan Blackpool rotherham barnsley reading I could be and hope i'm wrong I just have no faith in the ownership and also think due to the culture of the club that any club in the above list is a far more attractive destination than we are. I'm no WUM have been a fan for 44 years i'm just totally disillusioned at the minute because the current problems at the club have been festering for years and nobody has learnt from it. As I said maybe i'm blinded by anger at the situation. I remember shaking buckets in 2003 to keep the club afloat and can see history repeating itself. I don't see KN sticking around if we have another bad season, I just see him and carwright as Ruberry and Ayre Mark 2 You are clearly a WUM. You include Barnsley in your summary. A week ago Duff chose Huddersfield over Barnsley. Not a WUM at all, just have an opinion thats not the happy clapper view that everything will be ok, as i have repeatedly said I hope I am wrong |
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Post by htafc1045 on May 19, 2024 10:32:21 GMT 1
Genuine question, I'll go with you being genuine in your belief of this rather than you being a WUM, who are the 10 clubs, in League 1 who will have bigger budgets than ours? Its opinion not fact, based on a belief that cartwrights talk of budget is hot air Birmingham Peterboro Bolton Wrexham Charlton Wigan Blackpool rotherham barnsley reading I could be and hope i'm wrong I just have no faith in the ownership and also think due to the culture of the club that any club in the above list is a far more attractive destination than we are. I'm no WUM have been a fan for 44 years i'm just totally disillusioned at the minute because the current problems at the club have been festering for years and nobody has learnt from it. As I said maybe i'm blinded by anger at the situation. I remember shaking buckets in 2003 to keep the club afloat and can see history repeating itself. I don't see KN sticking around if we have another bad season, I just see him and carwright as Ruberry and Ayre Mark 2 Reading won't have a bigger budget than us, they probably have the smallest budget in the whole division  |
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Post by Dan on May 19, 2024 10:40:26 GMT 1
Its opinion not fact, based on a belief that cartwrights talk of budget is hot air Birmingham Peterboro Bolton Wrexham Charlton Wigan Blackpool rotherham barnsley reading I could be and hope i'm wrong I just have no faith in the ownership and also think due to the culture of the club that any club in the above list is a far more attractive destination than we are. I'm no WUM have been a fan for 44 years i'm just totally disillusioned at the minute because the current problems at the club have been festering for years and nobody has learnt from it. As I said maybe i'm blinded by anger at the situation. I remember shaking buckets in 2003 to keep the club afloat and can see history repeating itself. I don't see KN sticking around if we have another bad season, I just see him and carwright as Ruberry and Ayre Mark 2 Reading won't have a bigger budget than us, they probably have the smallest budget in the whole division We've also just beat one of the teams (Barnsley) in that ridiculous list to land our new manager. Wigan are having to make big cutbacks and are releasing players they didn't want to. As for thinking Rotherham, Blackpool, Charlton, Bolton or Peterborough could realistically beat us to any signing this summer. Well... |
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Post by Big Ern on May 19, 2024 10:45:34 GMT 1
You are clearly a WUM. You include Barnsley in your summary. A week ago Duff chose Huddersfield over Barnsley. Not a WUM at all, just have an opinion thats not the happy clapper view that everything will be ok, as i have repeatedly said I hope I am wrong Although I agree that some posts are unbalanced towards positivity and that caution should be exercised ahead of this season, your post appears to be unbalanced the other way. No town fan would put 2/3s of those clubs ahead of us. |
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Post by 2ellandback on May 19, 2024 10:46:37 GMT 1
You are clearly a WUM. You include Barnsley in your summary. A week ago Duff chose Huddersfield over Barnsley. Not a WUM at all, just have an opinion thats not the happy clapper view that everything will be ok, as i have repeatedly said I hope I am wrong Well your opinion is clearly wrong. Most of the clubs you listed do not have a higher budget than we do. You even included Barnsley. Duff chose Town over them so it was a ridiculous example. |
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Post by stinkypete on May 19, 2024 11:56:03 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle has ingrained such a negative narrative amongst some of our fan base that they struggle to see reality.
Yes the league will be tough, but Town should finish top 2 next season, I believe Nagle will spend big to achieve this. I’ve seen someone genuinely put there’s 10 clubs with bigger financial clout than us! Not a chance! We need to start acting like a big club and lose this “happy to be here “ mentality!
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 19, 2024 12:26:44 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle has ingrained such a negative narrative amongst some of our fan base that they struggle to see reality. Yes the league will be tough, but Town should finish top 2 next season, I believe Nagle will spend big to achieve this. I’ve seen someone genuinely put there’s 10 clubs with bigger financial clout than us! Not a chance! We need to start acting like a big club and lose this “happy to be here “ mentality! I know DH is not well liked on here by quite a few, but did he really ingrain a negative mindset on the club? I don’t think that was the case at all. A tempered mindset maybe, but not a dour negative one. Maybe folk are still sore from the Phil Hodgkinson fiasco? As for being top two, I really don’t know, L1 is an odd division. I’m hoping we can challenge, but I’ve often thought that pride comes before a fall. We need to respect the division and go about our business by making sure the players get the losing mentality out of their system over the summer. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on May 19, 2024 14:55:31 GMT 1
Wigan, Blackpool, Posh and Barnsley are good clubs, but they are not quite at our level. They don’t have the financial muscle, if we used it right. We dropped wasted £4m in January. Let’s see how well Healey does before saying that. Baulker would also probably be the best centre half in the league if we kept him. |
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Post by Richard1986 on May 19, 2024 15:14:35 GMT 1
Without huge improvements over the summer we will struggle
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Post by stinkypete on May 19, 2024 15:29:46 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle has ingrained such a negative narrative amongst some of our fan base that they struggle to see reality. Yes the league will be tough, but Town should finish top 2 next season, I believe Nagle will spend big to achieve this. I’ve seen someone genuinely put there’s 10 clubs with bigger financial clout than us! Not a chance! We need to start acting like a big club and lose this “happy to be here “ mentality! I know DH is not well liked on here by quite a few, but did he really ingrain a negative mindset on the club? I don’t think that was the case at all. A tempered mindset maybe, but not a dour negative one. Maybe folk are still sore from the Phil Hodgkinson fiasco? As for being top two, I really don’t know, L1 is an odd division. I’m hoping we can challenge, but I’ve often thought that pride comes before a fall. We need to respect the division and go about our business by making sure the players get the losing mentality out of their system over the summer. I feel he did, constantly told we need to “cut our cloth accordingly” was one of his favourites and managers telling us how we couldn’t compete has left a lot of fans believing we were always punching above our weight. I’m reading some comments now from fans that don’t expect us to be top 6!!! To me that’s the negative defeatist attitude we’ve become used to. That’s why I enjoyed Duffs interviews, very positive and saying we’re targeting promotion. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on May 19, 2024 16:12:01 GMT 1
Was DH saying that in L1 or a division (or two) higher?
I can’t recall those sort of words in L1, but it was a long time ago.
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Post by goodbet on May 19, 2024 17:25:55 GMT 1
Dean Hoyle has ingrained such a negative narrative amongst some of our fan base that they struggle to see reality. Yes the league will be tough, but Town should finish top 2 next season, I believe Nagle will spend big to achieve this. I’ve seen someone genuinely put there’s 10 clubs with bigger financial clout than us! Not a chance! We need to start acting like a big club and lose this “happy to be here “ mentality! I know DH is not well liked on here by quite a few, but did he really ingrain a negative mindset on the club? I don’t think that was the case at all. A tempered mindset maybe, but not a dour negative one. Maybe folk are still sore from the Phil Hodgkinson fiasco? As for being top two, I really don’t know, L1 is an odd division. I’m hoping we can challenge, but I’ve often thought that pride comes before a fall. We need to respect the division and go about our business by making sure the players get the losing mentality out of their system over the summer. Dean has become a bit of an enigma. I don't think anyone had a bad word to say about him when we got promoted to the Premier League. Since then however things have changed a little. The wasting of millions of pounds on transfers and comments like not wanting any money back and not sleepwalking into relegation left a lot of people confused and upset. The stange deal with PH with the non disclosure agreements with the constant cutting of the squad and the youth system made a lot of people to reassess what DH brought to the club. As a result I believe that most have more of balance feeling on DH and rather than hate. |
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Post by willo on May 19, 2024 17:59:35 GMT 1
I know DH is not well liked on here by quite a few, but did he really ingrain a negative mindset on the club? I don’t think that was the case at all. A tempered mindset maybe, but not a dour negative one. Maybe folk are still sore from the Phil Hodgkinson fiasco? As for being top two, I really don’t know, L1 is an odd division. I’m hoping we can challenge, but I’ve often thought that pride comes before a fall. We need to respect the division and go about our business by making sure the players get the losing mentality out of their system over the summer. Dean has become a bit of an enigma. I don't think anyone had a bad word to say about him when we got promoted to the Premier League. Since then however things have changed a little. The wasting of millions of pounds on transfers and comments like not wanting any money back and not sleepwalking into relegation left a lot of people confused and upset. The stange deal with PH with the non disclosure agreements with the constant cutting of the squad and the youth system made a lot of people to reassess what DH brought to the club. As a result I believe that most have more of balance feeling on DH and rather than hate. He’s not the messiah, he’s not a naughty boy, he’s just somewhere in between. |
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Post by goodbet on May 19, 2024 19:19:56 GMT 1
Dean has become a bit of an enigma. I don't think anyone had a bad word to say about him when we got promoted to the Premier League. Since then however things have changed a little. The wasting of millions of pounds on transfers and comments like not wanting any money back and not sleepwalking into relegation left a lot of people confused and upset. The stange deal with PH with the non disclosure agreements with the constant cutting of the squad and the youth system made a lot of people to reassess what DH brought to the club. As a result I believe that most have more of balance feeling on DH and rather than hate. He’s not the messiah, he’s not a naughty boy, he’s just somewhere in between. Much like us all  |
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Post by ldotm on May 19, 2024 20:13:08 GMT 1
Genuine question, I'll go with you being genuine in your belief of this rather than you being a WUM, who are the 10 clubs, in League 1 who will have bigger budgets than ours? Its opinion not fact, based on a belief that cartwrights talk of budget is hot air Birmingham Peterboro Bolton Wrexham Charlton Wigan Blackpool rotherham barnsley reading I could be and hope i'm wrong I just have no faith in the ownership and also think due to the culture of the club that any club in the above list is a far more attractive destination than we are. I'm no WUM have been a fan for 44 years i'm just totally disillusioned at the minute because the current problems at the club have been festering for years and nobody has learnt from it. As I said maybe i'm blinded by anger at the situation. I remember shaking buckets in 2003 to keep the club afloat and can see history repeating itself. I don't see KN sticking around if we have another bad season, I just see him and carwright as Ruberry and Ayre Mark 2 😂😂😂 |
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Post by WackyWorld on May 19, 2024 20:39:33 GMT 1
I’d love to say at least playoffs, but it’s hard to say without knowing our transfer business first !
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Post by htafcokay on May 19, 2024 22:27:41 GMT 1
Was DH saying that in L1 or a division (or two) higher? I can’t recall those sort of words in L1, but it was a long time ago. He certainly never said that in League One. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2024 22:47:59 GMT 1
I’m worried to how much of a factor FFP will be. If we want a full on rebuild, will we be able to do it?
Can see the FFP being a lot more strict in league one as to that in the championship
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Post by onesteviekindon on May 20, 2024 8:15:08 GMT 1
I have absolutely no idea what to expect next season. History shows that we are not very good at bouncing back from the third tier, so this could take a while I'm afraid.
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Post by Jimuano on May 20, 2024 8:24:07 GMT 1
Dean has become a bit of an enigma. I don't think anyone had a bad word to say about him when we got promoted to the Premier League. Since then however things have changed a little. The wasting of millions of pounds on transfers and comments like not wanting any money back and not sleepwalking into relegation left a lot of people confused and upset. The stange deal with PH with the non disclosure agreements with the constant cutting of the squad and the youth system made a lot of people to reassess what DH brought to the club. As a result I believe that most have more of balance feeling on DH and rather than hate. He’s not the messiah, he’s not a naughty boy, he’s just somewhere in between. If, as a bang average/ poor league one side in 2008 we'd have been offered the chance to have a couple of seasons in the premier league in 10 years we'd all have took it. He resided over the most incredible HTFC moment for years, and we shhould always be grateful for that, despite the negative stuff that happened since. We find ourselves amongst the favourites to go up, with strong backing and lots to be hopeful for now. I predict a slow start and disgruntled Town fans expecting the moon immediately, but with us putting in a good run and getting in the playoffs. |
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Post by htfc1908 on May 20, 2024 8:25:31 GMT 1
Personally I'll be very disappointed if we don't finish top two, top six with a trip to Wembley has to be the bare minimum.
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Post by irverino on May 20, 2024 8:31:15 GMT 1
League one is now complete & we have just over 5 weeks to wait for the fixtures to be released (26th June), only a handful of opponents have undersoil heating installed but one or two could be potential Xmas/NY trips to Wigan, Barnsley or Bolton.......A backlog of games has proved fatal to promotion hopes of teams in the past, with Easter landing in late April next year we don't need a fixture pile up of away games tripping Town up on the run in.
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Post by dezzly on May 20, 2024 9:17:00 GMT 1
Personally I'll be very disappointed if we don't finish top two, top six with a trip to Wembley has to be the bare minimum. Got to be the aim.You can make money count in this division and we should have a healthy budget..relatively. The division on first look seems weaker with no so called “big clubs” in there.But when you actually look at it the top half could be very competitive.The three automatically promoted sides from league 2 supposedly have some money so could be up there.Ourselves and Birmingham should maybe be a cut above the rest if the summers are done right.Rotherham are always up there and will be with evans you would think.Then throw in Barnsley,Peterborough,Bolton and Blackpool all who were competitive this year.On top you have tje relegated sides from the previous years champ who struggled to compete last season due to behind the scenes,so reading and Wigan could be up there too.Charlton under jones will also be decent you would imagine. All that said like I mentioned if we get the summer right I would expect us to be up there,certainly top 4.It’s all dependant on recruitment and mentality.iv faith on the mentality side with duff on charge so let’s hope the club can get the other bit right. |
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Post by htafc1045 on May 20, 2024 9:36:30 GMT 1
Personally I'll be very disappointed if we don't finish top two, top six with a trip to Wembley has to be the bare minimum. Got to be the aim.You can make money count in this division and we should have a healthy budget..relatively. The division on first look seems weaker with no so called “big clubs” in there.But when you actually look at it the top half could be very competitive.The three automatically promoted sides from league 2 supposedly have some money so could be up there.Ourselves and Birmingham should maybe be a cut above the rest if the summers are done right.Rotherham are always up there and will be with evans you would think.Then throw in Barnsley,Peterborough,Bolton and Blackpool all who were competitive this year.On top you have tje relegated sides from the previous years champ who struggled to compete last season due to behind the scenes,so reading and Wigan could be up there too.Charlton under jones will also be decent you would imagine. All that said like I mentioned if we get the summer right I would expect us to be up there,certainly top 4.It’s all dependant on recruitment and mentality.iv faith on the mentality side with duff on charge so let’s hope the club can get the other bit right. Not to forget Stockport and Wrexham, two clubs just promoted on an upward curve with a LOT of money. |
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Post by htafcokay on May 20, 2024 9:39:24 GMT 1
He’s not the messiah, he’s not a naughty boy, he’s just somewhere in between. If, as a bang average/ poor league one side in 2008 we'd have been offered the chance to have a couple of seasons in the premier league in 10 years we'd all have took it. He resided over the most incredible HTFC moment for years, and we should always be grateful for that, despite the negative stuff that happened since. We find ourselves amongst the favourites to go up, with strong backing and lots to be hopeful for now. I predict a slow start and disgruntled Town fans expecting the moon immediately, but with us putting in a good run and getting in the playoffs. He's the best owner we've ever had. |
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Post by irverino on May 21, 2024 9:46:30 GMT 1
Mowbray departs Birmingham City........A rigorous search for the next manager starts now, says Gary Cook.
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Post by Terriersmad on May 21, 2024 9:53:51 GMT 1
I’m worried to how much of a factor FFP will be. If we want a full on rebuild, will we be able to do it? Can see the FFP being a lot more strict in league one as to that in the championship FFP rules very clearly outlined in the finances thread, should you bother to look. For the record, next season it shouldn't be a factor. We should have the financial wiggle room to significantly increase our wage budget and spend a large amount of money on transfers, probably moreso than in the Championship. Also helped by moving some significant earners on and slimming down the B team massively. |
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Post by Waterloo Terrier on May 21, 2024 9:59:56 GMT 1
Mowbray departs Birmingham City........A rigorous search for the next manager starts now, says Gary Cook. Appointing him was probably the only thing Birmingham’s owners got right last season |
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Post by irverino on May 21, 2024 10:14:40 GMT 1
Mowbray departs Birmingham City........A rigorous search for the next manager starts now, says Gary Cook. Appointing him was probably the only thing Birmingham’s owners got right last season Even the Villa fans saying TM would more than likely have kept Blues up if he hadn't become ill, needs more recovery time but fully intends to return to management at some point..........What about Rowett? Turned down the job or not offered? |
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