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Post by jonnycrutches on Jun 13, 2024 13:21:14 GMT 1
The issue for next season is for me, in order to be in the Top 6 in any league we will need to be able to: 1. Break teams down who come to our spot and sit deep 2. Be a team that can dominate possession when required 3. Score more than one goal a game consistently 4. Create chances consistently to make point 3 happen Individually our current squad man for man might be better than average for League one, but we do not have the personnel to do any of the above yet. Until signings are made in midfield who can pass a ball, keep possession and create chances there are no guarantees of success for next season. We have a decent base to build on and I see Hogg staying as a positive, but there is a lot of work to do in order to see us challenging next year. Fingers crossed they can bring in what we need. Precisely this: we're not a million miles away and the transfer window isn't open yet. I went for pushing for the play offs, but with a decent window, we should be challenging for automatics. Until we get those players in (and see who leaves), ie based on purely hypotheticals, I'd settle for a 'nearly' season before a top 2 season in 25/26. |
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Post by giveusanaitch on Jun 13, 2024 13:32:56 GMT 1
Club who will have one of the biggest average gates, biggest revenues and biggest wage bills. Not a big club at the level 🤦🏻♂️ Not to mention the biggest trophy cabinet and the 3rd highest average league position. We were also the most recent team to play in the premier league. This 'small club' mentality is pathetic. We're historically a top 30 club. I think personal experience comes into this one. I'm 33 and the majority of my lifetime has seen us not in the top 30 teams in the country. Going back the last 30 years we've made that group 7 times. The majority of my experience has been seeing us fighting promotion in the lower leagues or relegation in the higher tiers. The way some are talking it's like when Newcastle went down from the Prem to the Championship. I don't see that. I see a team with a set of players at the level. Granted Nagle has spent a bit since he's come in but I don't see our budget blowing other teams out of the water, whatever his personal wealth is. Biggest average gates is certainly relevant to the amount the tickets cost and even then the numbers are frequently fudged. I hope we finish top 2, hell I hope we finish 1st but I don't expect it. The majority of my time as a Town fan has been like supporting an also-ran. |
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Post by goodbet on Jun 13, 2024 13:46:48 GMT 1
I'm not looking for a scapegoat If you read the whole thread I think we will finish top 2 I'm happy with duff...he comes across as very self assured in his interviews and believes what he is telling you and seems relaxed...personally I think he's going to be a good man manager and the players will warm to him and like him...and some of the so called bad apples will want to stay and work with him I also think Duff will do well, but this time the fans can't turn on Cartwright if he fails and say it was always doomed - hindsight is a wonderful thing I think we have had enough hindsight to know what we will get from Cartwright. |
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Post by King Neil on Jun 13, 2024 14:02:07 GMT 1
I'm not looking for a scapegoat If you read the whole thread I think we will finish top 2 I'm happy with duff...he comes across as very self assured in his interviews and believes what he is telling you and seems relaxed...personally I think he's going to be a good man manager and the players will warm to him and like him...and some of the so called bad apples will want to stay and work with him I also think Duff will do well, but this time the fans can't turn on Cartwright if he fails and say it was always doomed - hindsight is a wonderful thing Foresight is even better 😉 Plenty of us on here with a bit of it...he shouldn't be making mistakes that need correction |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2024 14:03:01 GMT 1
I also think Duff will do well, but this time the fans can't turn on Cartwright if he fails and say it was always doomed - hindsight is a wonderful thing Foresight is even better 😉 Plenty of us on here with a bit of it...he shouldn't be making mistakes that need correction Very true - although how many people expected Breitenreiter's appointment to be that bad? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2024 14:03:26 GMT 1
I also think Duff will do well, but this time the fans can't turn on Cartwright if he fails and say it was always doomed - hindsight is a wonderful thing I think we have had enough hindsight to know what we will get from Cartwright. oh really? |
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Post by King Neil on Jun 13, 2024 14:19:55 GMT 1
Foresight is even better 😉 Plenty of us on here with a bit of it...he shouldn't be making mistakes that need correction Very true - although how many people expected Breitenreiter's appointment to be that bad? I had a feeling it would be We should have stuck with JW until the end of the season....and what I mean by that is say nothing in public other than that he is caretaker until we find a replacement,,so not putting any pressure on him Andre Breitenreiter another with all the talk...spouting about wanting to celebrate on the Town Hall steps etc..yet put us in reverse and relegated then threw everyone under the bus Players that could win and show passion under NW and Worthy...yet not for dm and ab..both Cartwrights appointments If you or I performed that way in our respective jobs then you can bet we would have been sacked by now |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 13, 2024 16:18:00 GMT 1
Not to mention the biggest trophy cabinet and the 3rd highest average league position. We were also the most recent team to play in the premier league. This 'small club' mentality is pathetic. We're historically a top 30 club. I think personal experience comes into this one. I'm 33 and the majority of my lifetime has seen us not in the top 30 teams in the country. Going back the last 30 years we've made that group 7 times. The majority of my experience has been seeing us fighting promotion in the lower leagues or relegation in the higher tiers. The way some are talking it's like when Newcastle went down from the Prem to the Championship. I don't see that. I see a team with a set of players at the level. Granted Nagle has spent a bit since he's come in but I don't see our budget blowing other teams out of the water, whatever his personal wealth is. Biggest average gates is certainly relevant to the amount the tickets cost and even then the numbers are frequently fudged. I hope we finish top 2, hell I hope we finish 1st but I don't expect it. The majority of my time as a Town fan has been like supporting an also-ran. Since the turn of the century we've had 3 season where we've finished midtable or below in league 1/2. Two of those seasons are because of administration. That's 3 seasons in 24 where we've finished on or below your predicted finish. Yet you think people are bonkers for predicting a promotion? The fact you think we're just small fish in league 1 with a billionaire owner, some of the best training facilities, some of the biggest crowds a modern stadium is not only a bonkers opinion imo, it does the club a massive disservice. I can't decide if you're a WUM or not? |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 13, 2024 16:45:05 GMT 1
I think personal experience comes into this one. I'm 33 and the majority of my lifetime has seen us not in the top 30 teams in the country. Going back the last 30 years we've made that group 7 times. The majority of my experience has been seeing us fighting promotion in the lower leagues or relegation in the higher tiers. The way some are talking it's like when Newcastle went down from the Prem to the Championship. I don't see that. I see a team with a set of players at the level. Granted Nagle has spent a bit since he's come in but I don't see our budget blowing other teams out of the water, whatever his personal wealth is. Biggest average gates is certainly relevant to the amount the tickets cost and even then the numbers are frequently fudged. I hope we finish top 2, hell I hope we finish 1st but I don't expect it. The majority of my time as a Town fan has been like supporting an also-ran. Since the turn of the century we've had 3 season where we've finished midtable or below in league 1/2. Two of those seasons are because of administration. That's 3 seasons in 24 where we've finished on or below your predicted finish. Yet you think people are bonkers for predicting a promotion? The fact you think we're just small fish in league 1 with a billionaire owner, some of the best training facilities, some of the biggest crowds a modern stadium is not only a bonkers opinion imo, it does the club a massive disservice. I can't decide if you're a WUM or not? My decision has been made. |
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Post by irverino on Jun 13, 2024 17:51:20 GMT 1
Just seen a tweet from Birmingham City saying 'Happy Shavuot', to which one Blues fan replied 'Shavuot up your 4rse & give us some signings'.......Impatient fans up & down the country needing a SIGN.
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Post by King Neil on Jun 13, 2024 18:18:03 GMT 1
I think personal experience comes into this one. I'm 33 and the majority of my lifetime has seen us not in the top 30 teams in the country. Going back the last 30 years we've made that group 7 times. The majority of my experience has been seeing us fighting promotion in the lower leagues or relegation in the higher tiers. The way some are talking it's like when Newcastle went down from the Prem to the Championship. I don't see that. I see a team with a set of players at the level. Granted Nagle has spent a bit since he's come in but I don't see our budget blowing other teams out of the water, whatever his personal wealth is. Biggest average gates is certainly relevant to the amount the tickets cost and even then the numbers are frequently fudged. I hope we finish top 2, hell I hope we finish 1st but I don't expect it. The majority of my time as a Town fan has been like supporting an also-ran. Since the turn of the century we've had 3 season where we've finished midtable or below in league 1/2. Two of those seasons are because of administration. That's 3 seasons in 24 where we've finished on or below your predicted finish. Yet you think people are bonkers for predicting a promotion? The fact you think we're just small fish in league 1 with a billionaire owner, some of the best training facilities, some of the biggest crowds a modern stadium is not only a bonkers opinion imo, it does the club a massive disservice. I can't decide if you're a WUM or not? Bonkers innit If your a Birmingham fan or a Wrexham fan it's ok to think positive about promotion But if your a Town fan being positive it's pie in the sky or arrogance It must be something in the water up there Premier league and a couple of championship playoff finals in the last 7 years and we are also rans🤣 |
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Post by goodbet on Jun 13, 2024 18:32:43 GMT 1
I think we have had enough hindsight to know what we will get from Cartwright. oh really? yes |
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Jun 14, 2024 16:11:24 GMT 1
Since the turn of the century we've had 3 season where we've finished midtable or below in league 1/2. Two of those seasons are because of administration. That's 3 seasons in 24 where we've finished on or below your predicted finish. Yet you think people are bonkers for predicting a promotion? The fact you think we're just small fish in league 1 with a billionaire owner, some of the best training facilities, some of the biggest crowds a modern stadium is not only a bonkers opinion imo, it does the club a massive disservice. I can't decide if you're a WUM or not? Bonkers innit If your a Birmingham fan or a Wrexham fan it's ok to think positive about promotion But if your a Town fan being positive it's pie in the sky or arrogance It must be something in the water up there Premier league and a couple of championship playoff finals in the last 7 years and we are also rans🤣 Where are you referring to Up There! and Wrexham will be lucky to make it in the top ten |
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Post by giveusanaitch on Jun 15, 2024 9:08:49 GMT 1
I think personal experience comes into this one. I'm 33 and the majority of my lifetime has seen us not in the top 30 teams in the country. Going back the last 30 years we've made that group 7 times. The majority of my experience has been seeing us fighting promotion in the lower leagues or relegation in the higher tiers. The way some are talking it's like when Newcastle went down from the Prem to the Championship. I don't see that. I see a team with a set of players at the level. Granted Nagle has spent a bit since he's come in but I don't see our budget blowing other teams out of the water, whatever his personal wealth is. Biggest average gates is certainly relevant to the amount the tickets cost and even then the numbers are frequently fudged. I hope we finish top 2, hell I hope we finish 1st but I don't expect it. The majority of my time as a Town fan has been like supporting an also-ran. Since the turn of the century we've had 3 season where we've finished midtable or below in league 1/2. Two of those seasons are because of administration. That's 3 seasons in 24 where we've finished on or below your predicted finish. Yet you think people are bonkers for predicting a promotion? The fact you think we're just small fish in league 1 with a billionaire owner, some of the best training facilities, some of the biggest crowds a modern stadium is not only a bonkers opinion imo, it does the club a massive disservice. I can't decide if you're a WUM or not? Certainly not on the wind up, just don't have enough belief in the current group. Once I see a team performing on the pitch then my feeling will inevitably change. I still think there's a hangover from Warnock to deal with as well. I met with a few of the players in the survival season and they had genuine belief in themselves that they could beat anyone under him. How long does Duff have to get the players on side after the failures since? 10-15 games maybe. If his ideas aren't producing results we're back to square one. I think he's a good appointment as bland as he sounds. Having said that I thought Moore was but he was another one lacking charisma and the players feed off that. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 16, 2024 19:34:12 GMT 1
Looks like Birmingham's American owners are throwing some money at it. Seen some photos of their new pitch and two massive screens put up at each end of the stadium. Will be interesting to see the calibre of players they bring in.
Hope it isn't a repeat of 94/95 where they just had a bit too much for us
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 16, 2024 19:39:47 GMT 1
Looks like Birmingham's American owners are throwing some money at it. Seen some photos of their new pitch and two massive screens put up at each end of the stadium. Will be interesting to see the calibre of players they bring in. Hope it isn't a repeat of 94/95 where they just had a bit too much for us New pitch and big screens going up at the JSS aswell. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jun 16, 2024 19:42:14 GMT 1
Looks like Birmingham's American owners are throwing some money at it. Seen some photos of their new pitch and two massive screens put up at each end of the stadium. Will be interesting to see the calibre of players they bring in. Hope it isn't a repeat of 94/95 where they just had a bit too much for us New pitch and big screens going up at the JSS aswell. Big screen to replace the current one or adding a second? |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 16, 2024 19:45:26 GMT 1
New pitch and big screens going up at the JSS aswell. Big screen to replace the current one or adding a second? In the post season diary with Kev they were discussing putting up two big new screens. Quite a lot of work involved though. |
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Post by uptownfunk on Jun 19, 2024 15:53:54 GMT 1
I’ve just backed us for champions.
12/1 £100 I think big Kev means business this time.
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Jun 19, 2024 16:33:09 GMT 1
Top 6 minimum, top 2 would be a cracking season
Anything else is a massive failure
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Post by kiwiblue on Jun 20, 2024 10:20:42 GMT 1
I’ve just backed us for champions. 12/1 £100 I think big Kev means business this time. Could only get 11/1 down here - stuck a cheeky $20 on. First bet I've had in years! |
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Post by town1 on Jun 20, 2024 22:36:34 GMT 1
To get out of league 1, I believe our squad needs to be stronger than the one we finished last season with.
Now that the transfers are moving, the big question will be are we strengthening or weakening the squad and in particular our first 11?
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Post by deo1 on Jun 20, 2024 23:58:03 GMT 1
If we are not in the top 2 then I’m going to be very disappointed and believe the club has underachieved. The squad as it is even without Rudoni is good enough to get out of league 1. In my opinion we massively underachieved last season and I’m hoping that the club from the top down to the bottom will rectify what went wrong last season and give us fans something to cheer on next season. The players owe us it and the guys at the top do too.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 21, 2024 18:27:02 GMT 1
If we are not in the top 2 then I’m going to be very disappointed and believe the club has underachieved. The squad as it is even without Rudoni is good enough to get out of league 1. In my opinion we massively underachieved last season and I’m hoping that the club from the top down to the bottom will rectify what went wrong last season and give us fans something to cheer on next season. The players owe us it and the guys at the top do too. The guys at the top don't owe us anything, they've kept prices at a ridiculously low price to apologise for the last season, the players however... |
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Post by deo1 on Jun 24, 2024 5:05:19 GMT 1
If we are not in the top 2 then I’m going to be very disappointed and believe the club has underachieved. The squad as it is even without Rudoni is good enough to get out of league 1. In my opinion we massively underachieved last season and I’m hoping that the club from the top down to the bottom will rectify what went wrong last season and give us fans something to cheer on next season. The players owe us it and the guys at the top do too. The guys at the top don't owe us anything, they've kept prices at a ridiculously low price to apologise for the last season, the players however... Don’t even think about the prices of the season tickets (do you think that because we get cheap season tickets we can’t say anything?) it was the decision to change a manager in September and make out ithat we had to act quickly to bring in Moore. Last seasons relegation was heavily linked to very bad decisions being taken at the very top of the club that had detrimental consequences when the season was over. If Warnock would’ve stayed then we would be planning for Championship football, even if Worthington would’ve stayed in charge for the rest of the season it would’ve given us a better chance than the half hearted fight we witnessed on the pitch. |
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Post by Tinpot on Jun 24, 2024 11:49:54 GMT 1
Realistic expectations will be easier to state with confidence when the transfer window is closed.
For now, I'm not at panic stations or owt, but given the expectations at the club and the size of overhaul needed, I'm getting a bit twitchy about how little business has been done so far.
Especially in midfield.
I'm confident that we'll bring players in, but until they do, our best midfielder is Kasumu who can tackle and carry the ball forward but can't pass, shoot or head a ball for shit.
Other than him, a 36 year old whose value is greater on the bench, a kid that we hope will come good, plus hoping Austerfield, Wiles and Scott F High can manage to not stink the division out doesn't look like a recipe for a top half finish, let alone a serious promotion tilt.
We need to have at least a couple more in place for preseason, but as time marches on it looks less likely that they will be.
As things stand I'm not terribly optimistic.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 24, 2024 19:06:38 GMT 1
The guys at the top don't owe us anything, they've kept prices at a ridiculously low price to apologise for the last season, the players however... Don’t even think about the prices of the season tickets (do you think that because we get cheap season tickets we can’t say anything?) it was the decision to change a manager in September and make out ithat we had to act quickly to bring in Moore. Last seasons relegation was heavily linked to very bad decisions being taken at the very top of the club that had detrimental consequences when the season was over. If Warnock would’ve stayed then we would be planning for Championship football, even if Worthington would’ve stayed in charge for the rest of the season it would’ve given us a better chance than the half hearted fight we witnessed on the pitch. I'll think about what I want ta. You can say what you want anytime pal. Just like I'm going to say last year's relegation was the result of a few years' mismanagement & under-funding. I don't believe we would necessarily have stayed up under Warnock, he managed a miracle keeping us up over 1/3 of a season, at the end of which he looked knackered, could he have kept us up over a full season? Worthington couldn't lose, he inherited a side that must have been so frustrated playing under Moore, he let the brakes off knowing it was a temporary measure but still didn't show any signs of being a great manager - we beat Wendies 4-0 but basically played well for only 35 mins in that game & we blew a great lead under him at Saints. Was the improvement sustainable? We can blame the guys at the top all we want but they, IMO, can hold their heads up high: KN put a lot of money in during the January window as he's promised, Edwards has the club in a much better place off the field, which is his main role & only Cartwright can be really questioned but the players he brought in may be of great use to us, though he has to get it right this window. Will the guys at the top make mistakes? Of course they will, the key is will they learn from them. If you thought AB was a shocking appointment at the time, I tip my hat to you, cos very few on here thought it was. I may be totally wrong, however, I think KN has our best interests at heart & the fact he did change his mind about season ticket prices suggests to me that he wants to fill the ground again & this is also in way of an apology for the relegation. |
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Post by irverino on Jun 29, 2024 16:48:09 GMT 1
The Birmingham mail says that the Grovesnor Sports Super Computer predicts the Blues to win the title with Blackpool runners up, followed by play off teams Lincoln (3rd) then Bolton, TOWN & Peterborough in sixth. If it's as good as Jack's SC then we have absolutely nothing to worry about.......Also reporting Alex Pritchard's 5 month reign at St Andrews is coming to an end with a move to Turkish side Sivasspor on the table.
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Jun 29, 2024 17:19:49 GMT 1
We are going to be a mid table side at best, this is a very tough league to get out off.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jun 29, 2024 17:23:51 GMT 1
We are going to be a mid table side at best, this is a very tough league to get out off. Do you want to put a cheeky wager on old boy? I say we'll finish Top 10, you can have the rest down to 24. |
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