Premier League clubs to vote on binning VAR

[Dan]

Wolves have formally submitted a resolution to the Premier League to vote on scrapping VAR. Vote takes place in June. If successful, there will be no more VAR from next season.

Question is will 14 of the 20 go for it?

[Moooooy]

I hope they do. I’ve hated it since it came in, and the reasons submitted by Wolves pretty much sum up my feelings on it.

[blanquiazules]

May 15, 2024 18:26:48 GMT 1 Dan said:

Wolves have formally submitted a resolution to the Premier League to vote on scrapping VAR. Vote takes place in June. If successful, there will be no more VAR from next season.

Question is will 14 of the 20 go for it?

Doubtful that 14 will but fair play to Wolves for sticking their neck out.

Would be great to see the PL admitting it was a (well intentioned) mistake.

[Dan]

May 15, 2024 18:30:07 GMT 1 Moooooy said:

I hope they do. I’ve hated it since it came in, and the reasons submitted by Wolves pretty much sum up my feelings on it.

All about point number 1 on that list for me.

[tepidterrier]

I wonder which way Notts Forest will vote?

[Moooooy]

May 15, 2024 18:33:22 GMT 1 Dan said:

May 15, 2024 18:30:07 GMT 1 Moooooy said:

I hope they do. I’ve hated it since it came in, and the reasons submitted by Wolves pretty much sum up my feelings on it.

All about point number 1 on that list for me.

Agreed. Take away celebrating goals and you have to question why we bother going to watch football.

[richhtfc]

Awful idea from the start, goal line technology is fine but the rest of refereeing is subjective there are no absolutes. Get rid of it.

[utttrooper]

May 15, 2024 18:56:18 GMT 1 richhtfc said:

Awful idea from the start, goal line technology is fine but the rest of refereeing is subjective there are no absolutes. Get rid of it.

Offsides as well are fact over opinion most of the time unless ots whether or not a player interfered with play. But the fact that Offside checks can take 2 or 3 minutes is ridiculous.

[richhtfc]

May 15, 2024 19:10:12 GMT 1 utttrooper said:

May 15, 2024 18:56:18 GMT 1 richhtfc said:

Awful idea from the start, goal line technology is fine but the rest of refereeing is subjective there are no absolutes. Get rid of it.

Offsides as well are fact over opinion most of the time unless ots whether or not a player interfered with play. But the fact that Offside checks can take 2 or 3 minutes is ridiculous.

From my point of view the offside rule was never intended to be binary. The linesman has to look at two positions at the same time which is impossible. I’m sure it wasn’t implemented with a view that a camera would make it perfect 50 years down the line.

It should be based on whether the ref and lino feel the opposition have got an unfair advantage. The odd wrong call for teams here and there will even themselves out, this applying of mm lines to elbows and arses is ridiculous

[joeyjoneslocker]

The Premier League have already confirmed semi-automated VAR for next season.
As much as I want it all scrapped, it won’t be.

[markthehorn]

It’s been too subjective which people didn’t realise .

From a fans point of view probably the right idea.

We haven’t seen decisions get any better with it

Mind you won’t stop teams complaining about decisions!

[ambryboy]

Someone on here posted a while ago that if they can't make a decision in 30 seconds there is no clear and obvious error so they should stay with the on-field decision. Referees need to stop hiding behind the technology and make a decision based on what they see.

[The Sheriff Strikes Back]

They gave it a go, it hasn't worked, time to get rid.

Just think, the amount of money that has been spent on the grand VAR experiment, if they had put that into providing better training for referees, maybe that alleviate some of the problem.

[deepc]

I hope so.The worst thing by far that has been introduced to football in my 60 years watching.
It was sold as a way to correct clear and obvious errrors. It has morphed into a pedants charter.We have ended up with a subjective decision from some remote group at Heathrow on a subjective on field decision. It is madness.
Goal line technology (when it works) is a no brainer.
Checking in or out of the area for a penalty is factual so worth keeping
I am still unconvinced on the offsides.We are told that player A was offside by a couple of centimetres when the ball was played.But when was that.Is it when the ball leaves the foot of the player passing it or when he has attempted to play it? Is the technology good enough to give a clear enough image ?
The rest deserves the bin.

[ldr]

That’s Wolves relegated next season then.

[waggers]

I absolutely hate VAR. It's damaged the game it hasn't helped it. Fans have to wait 5 minutes before they can even celebrate a goal.

On top of that, they still get it wrong, leave it to the ref and the linesmen.

[drewden]

May 15, 2024 19:33:11 GMT 1 deepc said:

I hope so.The worst thing by far that has been introduced to football in my 60 years watching.
It was sold as a way to correct clear and obvious errrors. It has morphed into a pedants charter.We have ended up with a subjective decision from some remote group at Heathrow on a subjective on field decision. It is madness.
Goal line technology (when it works) is a no brainer.
Checking in or out of the area for a penalty is factual so worth keeping
I am still unconvinced on the offsides.We are told that player A was offside by a couple of centimetres when the ball was played.But when was that.Is it when the ball leaves the foot of the player passing it or when he has attempted to play it? Is the technology good enough to give a clear enough image ?
The rest deserves the bin.

Police have technology from half a mile away to catch speeding cars, technology to look inside cars to see if you are using your phone, but seems technology cannot evaluate if a person is in front of another person.

[Sio]

Can't see it going in a million years. All it takes is a big decision to go against a big club and they and their armchair fans would be crying for it to come back.

An idea that in theory works for the TV viewer, but kills the experience for match going fans. Hated it from the off for exactly that reason.

[ldr]

May 15, 2024 19:55:32 GMT 1 Sio said:

Can't see it going in a million years. All it takes is a big decision to go against a big club and they and their armchair fans would be crying for it to come back.

An idea that in theory works for the TV viewer, but kills the experience for match going fans. Hated it from the off for exactly that reason.

This is it really. I think everybody’s perception is that it benefits the ‘bigger’ clubs. It certainly looks like that to the naked eye. Take the Cov v United semi; that was borderline cheating. We all know that if that had been a Man U goal, it would have been given. One of the greatest moments in a clubs history, robbed by officialdom and incompetence.

NB: fuck Coventry anyway as they threw their game against Brum the week before! 😂

[goodbet]

May 15, 2024 19:55:00 GMT 1 drewden said:

May 15, 2024 19:33:11 GMT 1 deepc said:

I hope so.The worst thing by far that has been introduced to football in my 60 years watching.
It was sold as a way to correct clear and obvious errrors. It has morphed into a pedants charter.We have ended up with a subjective decision from some remote group at Heathrow on a subjective on field decision. It is madness.
Goal line technology (when it works) is a no brainer.
Checking in or out of the area for a penalty is factual so worth keeping
I am still unconvinced on the offsides.We are told that player A was offside by a couple of centimetres when the ball was played.But when was that.Is it when the ball leaves the foot of the player passing it or when he has attempted to play it? Is the technology good enough to give a clear enough image ?
The rest deserves the bin.

Police have technology from half a mile away to catch speeding cars, technology to look inside cars to see if you are using your phone, but seems technology cannot evaluate if a person is in front of another person.

Apparently it takes a lot longer if you want the picture to show you what you want to see.

[softboy]

The Hawkeye guy was on Talkshite last week and they were discussing VAR. he said VAR was always subjective but goal line technology was 100% accurate as people weren’t involved. So at least we know know that the ‘goal’ against Blackpool wasn’t over the line after all.

[Fish & Chips]

May 15, 2024 19:16:37 GMT 1 ambryboy said:

Someone on here posted a while ago that if they can't make a decision in 30 seconds there is no clear and obvious error so they should stay with the on-field decision. Referees need to stop hiding behind the technology and make a decision based on what they see.

Clear and obvious should be a quick look at a couple of angles and 10 seconds maximum review, 15 absolute tops.

With a countdown timer, visible to all, if no decision within 10 seconds the original decision stands.

Personally I’d prefer bin VAR totally.

[markthehorn]

May 15, 2024 19:16:37 GMT 1 ambryboy said:

Someone on here posted a while ago that if they can't make a decision in 30 seconds there is no clear and obvious error so they should stay with the on-field decision. Referees need to stop hiding behind the technology and make a decision based on what they see.

And everyone to accept they might not be right in real time ?

[htfcterry]

I feel a Runner76 poll coming on here...

[Deleted]

Overdue to be scrapped,I won't hold my breath though

[28901]

Every fan outside the armchair top 6 tv fans will want it scrapping and rightly.
Won't happen though.

[28901]

May 15, 2024 21:44:19 GMT 1 markthehorn said:

May 15, 2024 19:16:37 GMT 1 ambryboy said:

Someone on here posted a while ago that if they can't make a decision in 30 seconds there is no clear and obvious error so they should stay with the on-field decision. Referees need to stop hiding behind the technology and make a decision based on what they see.

And everyone to accept they might not be right in real time ?

Yep.

[boooothy]

ID LOVE IT!!!

[Captainslapper]

May 15, 2024 19:14:20 GMT 1 joeyjoneslocker said:

The Premier League have already confirmed semi-automated VAR for next season.
As much as I want it all scrapped, it won’t be.

Think it's some kind of automatic off side technology theyve approved. Presumably it tells the referee pretty instantly if it was offside in the same way goal line technology tells him if the ball was over the line ( most of the time!)

You can have that and still scrap VAR as weve come to know it, with the idiots sat in a studio somewhere putting their silly lines on the screen and taking 5 minutes to guess that someone was offside by a millimetre.

I wouldn't care if more wrong decisions are made, VAR is truly awful and spoils football.

Each club should ask its fans how they want their club to vote.

[detox]

We could go back to the days where MOTD spend the whole program slagging officials for not spotting the infringements, and managers moaning ' we must be able to do better than this'..