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Post by Wingman on Jun 20, 2024 12:17:40 GMT 1
It wasn’t for ‘nothing’. We don’t ban regular posters for ‘nothing’. If a post contravenes rules we have to act on it - if it is reported. I’ve already agreed Porrohman would be welcome back, it’s his choice to stay away. I would be very interested to know exactly what he said to trigger a month's ban then. Because looking through his post history, it certainly looks like it was for nothing. With the greatest of respect, I’m not trawling through past reported posts to dig this out. When it was reported it will have been felt that the post in question broke the forum rules. As I’ve said before, it wasn’t for one card, it was an accumulation. |
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Post by Wingman on Jun 20, 2024 12:23:42 GMT 1
Agreed, I miss Porrohman's contributions and I really don't understand why yellow cards aren't time limited. Htafcokays currently on a one month ban just for a bit of a tiff with castlehill Terrier It's way overboard in my opinion Me and him rarely see eye to eye,but I enjoy his contributions and the place is quieter without him I could understand maybe a week to cool down but a month is ott On the current rules it won't be long before I'm taking another holiday And to repeat myself again, albeit on a different poster, Lee was advised to not get into rows with folk as we can all see the effect it has on him, like a red rag to a bull. He was warned on other spats, given days off to cool off but ultimately how many times can you repeat a warning and guidance before acting? His ban will be over in a week or two. We fully appreciate his improvement in behaviours and really feel this is good progress. He is most welcome to post as normal after that ban ends. A final note to everyone, without tone or accusation; the rules are there for all to see. If a post is reported and we feel it has broken those rules we have to act - the same as any Admin team would. We let an awful lot go without sanction, more than any other Admins before us. Simply, if someone puts themselves in a position to be sanctioned, really they can’t complain when we act. Sounds harsh but put yourselves in our shoes; if we let everything go this forum would melt down in days. |
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 20, 2024 12:26:20 GMT 1
It wasn’t for ‘nothing’. We don’t ban regular posters for ‘nothing’. If a post contravenes rules we have to act on it - if it is reported. I’ve already agreed Porrohman would be welcome back, it’s his choice to stay away. I would be very interested to know exactly what he said to trigger a month's ban then. Because looking through his post history, it certainly looks like it was for nothing. Personally think you are pointing at the wrong person. Generally, it’s acted on when reported. Maybe ask the poster in question why they deemed it reportable, rather than blaming the end process. |
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Post by townarentbest on Jun 20, 2024 14:40:37 GMT 1
Htafcokays currently on a one month ban just for a bit of a tiff with castlehill Terrier It's way overboard in my opinion Me and him rarely see eye to eye,but I enjoy his contributions and the place is quieter without him I could understand maybe a week to cool down but a month is ott On the current rules it won't be long before I'm taking another holiday And to repeat myself again, albeit on a different poster, Lee was advised to not get into rows with folk as we can all see the effect it has on him, like a red rag to a bull. He was warned on other spats, given days off to cool off but ultimately how many times can you repeat a warning and guidance before acting? His ban will be over in a week or two. We fully appreciate his improvement in behaviours and really feel this is good progress. He is most welcome to post as normal after that ban ends. A final note to everyone, without tone or accusation; the rules are there for all to see. If a post is reported and we feel it has broken those rules we have to act - the same as any Admin team would. We let an awful lot go without sanction, more than any other Admins before us. Simply, if someone puts themselves in a position to be sanctioned, really they can’t complain when we act. Sounds harsh but put yourselves in our shoes; if we let everything go this forum would melt down in days. I disagree with the final statement, lots of proboards forums operate with the overarching 'rules' set out here... www.proboards.com/report-abuse and here www.proboards.com/tos (the only rules that we've actually all technically agreed to when signing up) . and pragmatic moderation/administration by their admin teams. BUT - we are where we are - and you could (and probably should) update the rules... - Use the football approach for cards and reset them at the end of the season. - Also reduce the temporary yellow bans...it just causes people to leave the forum...if a red card is 1 month, then for yellows it should be 1 week...2 week...1 month for the totting up, no more. ...the quality would unlikely change much, posters crossing lines would still get bans, and we wouldn't permanently lose some good posters who have simply been drawn into an argument by a troll and have over-reacted in exasperation. |
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Post by Wingman on Jun 20, 2024 14:57:31 GMT 1
And to repeat myself again, albeit on a different poster, Lee was advised to not get into rows with folk as we can all see the effect it has on him, like a red rag to a bull. He was warned on other spats, given days off to cool off but ultimately how many times can you repeat a warning and guidance before acting? His ban will be over in a week or two. We fully appreciate his improvement in behaviours and really feel this is good progress. He is most welcome to post as normal after that ban ends. A final note to everyone, without tone or accusation; the rules are there for all to see. If a post is reported and we feel it has broken those rules we have to act - the same as any Admin team would. We let an awful lot go without sanction, more than any other Admins before us. Simply, if someone puts themselves in a position to be sanctioned, really they can’t complain when we act. Sounds harsh but put yourselves in our shoes; if we let everything go this forum would melt down in days. I disagree with the final statement, lots of proboards forums operate with the overarching 'rules' set out here... www.proboards.com/report-abuse and here www.proboards.com/tos (the only rules that we've actually all technically agreed to when signing up) . and pragmatic moderation/administration by their admin teams. BUT - we are where we are - and you could (and probably should) update the rules... - Use the football approach for cards and reset them at the end of the season. - Also reduce the temporary yellow bans...it just causes people to leave the forum...if a red card is 1 month, then for yellows it should be 1 week...2 week...1 month for the totting up, no more. ...the quality would unlikely change much, posters crossing lines would still get bans, and we wouldn't permanently lose some good posters who have simply been drawn into an argument by a troll and have over-reacted in exasperation. We are actively discussing this in the background now, and acknowledge it might just be time to update the suspension limits to have some form of amnesty for historic warnings built up. I'll try keep everyone posted once we have something to offer up. |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Jun 20, 2024 15:42:44 GMT 1
Yellow cards on here should maybe reset every 12 months. I didn't realise they lasted forever until you built them up to a ban. A yellow card system reminds me of football & they reset halfway through the season. I like that idea. How ironic that a thread about Hogg's new deal has ended up in a debate about yellow cards 🤷♂️. |
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Post by softboy on Jun 20, 2024 15:51:58 GMT 1
So let’s go back to Hogg. As far as I can see it’s great business for the club, if you only take into account his attitude and commitment!
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Post by philatrickstarbuck on Jun 20, 2024 16:35:08 GMT 1
So let’s go back to Hogg. As far as I can see it’s great business for the club, if you only take into account his attitude and commitment! & if his yellow cards were recorded on here he wouldn't make it to October... 🤪 |
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Post by Rigodon on Jun 20, 2024 16:39:38 GMT 1
Htafcokays currently on a one month ban just for a bit of a tiff with castlehill Terrier It's way overboard in my opinion Me and him rarely see eye to eye,but I enjoy his contributions and the place is quieter without him I could understand maybe a week to cool down but a month is ott On the current rules it won't be long before I'm taking another holiday And to repeat myself again, albeit on a different poster, Lee was advised to not get into rows with folk as we can all see the effect it has on him, like a red rag to a bull. He was warned on other spats, given days off to cool off but ultimately how many times can you repeat a warning and guidance before acting? His ban will be over in a week or two. We fully appreciate his improvement in behaviours and really feel this is good progress. He is most welcome to post as normal after that ban ends. A final note to everyone, without tone or accusation; the rules are there for all to see. If a post is reported and we feel it has broken those rules we have to act - the same as any Admin team would. We let an awful lot go without sanction, more than any other Admins before us. Simply, if someone puts themselves in a position to be sanctioned, really they can’t complain when we act. Sounds harsh but put yourselves in our shoes; if we let everything go this forum would melt down in days. Hello mate. This isn't a dig at you, hope you realise. And also probably dragging this massively OT for maybe a close season 'suggestions' thread. But.. ^^ I'm... Not entirely sure that's true bud. Sorry. Admin log would obviously tell the full history. Either way, does 'letting more go' really create a more harmonious board? Will there ever be such a thing? I think not. Lifetime bans for generic 'wumming' compared to only a month ban for racist / inciting racial hatred being also equivalent to a totting up offense is what folk may seem as disproportionate. IMO I would suggest wiping the slate clean of yellow's each season will also allow those who cannot post responsibly to carry on doing so season after season with less consequence. We're all supposed to be adults. It's only, I expect, a small number of posters who receive sanctions.Thus More work for Admins and more posting with impunity from knobbers, more petty squabbles from the sillys. Keep giving people chances, they'll keep taking them and employing zero self control along the way. I'd make yellow's less frequent but more severe, personally. But I'd also make constant low effort, DoomPosting a sanctionable offence, I'd say there's a few here that go unpunished. But then, this is why I'm not in that chair any more and would also finish by saying you've got a better more patient hand on it than I ever had  |
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Post by impact on Jun 20, 2024 17:43:49 GMT 1
I would be very interested to know exactly what he said to trigger a month's ban then. Because looking through his post history, it certainly looks like it was for nothing. Personally think you are pointing at the wrong person. Generally, it’s acted on when reported. Maybe ask the poster in question why they deemed it reportable, rather than blaming the end process. The admins are in charge of the process. The older admins brought this in, the newer admins can change it, or at least use common sense. Banning someone for a month, 50% because of 2 things they said 5 years ago, really is ridiculous. |
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Post by Wingman on Jun 20, 2024 18:58:05 GMT 1
Let’s move on from the yellow’s debate now. It’s being looked at as per my earlier post. 👍🏼
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