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Post by dugnet on Oct 16, 2024 12:10:12 GMT 1
He's put in 400M so far I think, plus another 70 this last season despite them having record profits. He's not getting that back any time soon and I'm sure he appreciates that. I don't think Dean had any intention of financing a PL club and I'm sure he'd admit that. The fact he couldn't or wouldn't is precisely why we ended up with the transfers we did and worse off than we were before promotion. Football clubs aren't proper businesses and will never be self sufficient. They need a benefactor, sad but true. Best you can do is minimise losses. I think Brighton at the minute are worth a lot more than 400m given their status in the premier league and they seem to have a lot of the best people running their club. I think he would want some if not all of it back at some point, but my point was it is easy for him to not think about it as they have always been on the upward curve, his investment / motivation would be tested with a relegation I'd imagine. Oh I agree they'll never be self sufficient but these money men getting involved at EFL level certainly aren't looking to give money away they're investing/gambling on getting a place at the top table and selling at the right point. Hoyle initially just wanted to prop town up in the championship I think, You're right once we got to the premier league he was out of his depth financially and ended up putting in more than he wanted, which then meant he wanted some back and contributed to the mess we ended up in. In terms of size of club Brighton are a good comparable but, as has been outlined, Tony Bloom had a vision and, significantly, bigger pockets (than DH). DH did many good things for the club but was unable, and his illness undoubtedly can't have helped, to develop the club from position he had got it to. As a result we are essentially back to where we started, albeit our infrastructure has improved and we have experiences that can be learned from. The trick for Mr Nagle i to build a club that becomes a credible investment opportunity that attracts people with vision and ambition. That isn't to say Mr Nagle doesn't have vision or ambition per se but he has eluded to moving the club forward with the intention of creating something of value that people will invest in. We can't change the past but we can learn from it. Hopefully the Nagle era will lead to some long term growth in our profile, underpinned by success on the pitch. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 16, 2024 12:42:35 GMT 1
Think Hoyle was financially out of his league a bit when we unexpectedly went up in 2017.
But by 2018 we'd survived the first season, we'd fended off the interest in Wagner from various places and we invested heavily to try and make that step up from surviving by the skin of our teeth to establishing ourselves.
End of the day it's football and its all about the decisions you make... how you spend that money.
We made very very bad choices and Brighton made very good ones.
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Post by King Neil on Oct 16, 2024 14:19:56 GMT 1
And without being racist
We signed too many foreigners who hadn't got a clue about English football and paid extortionate fee,s for them
But we nearly did bounce back didn't we..
How can jon moss sleep at night
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Post by Junior & Onuora on Oct 16, 2024 14:21:37 GMT 1
And without being racist We signed too many foreigners who hadn't got a clue about English football and paid extortionate fee,s for them But we nearly did bounce back didn't we.. How can jon moss sleep at night On a big gold bed with a mattress stuffed with £50s? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 16, 2024 14:34:10 GMT 1
And without being racist We signed too many foreigners who hadn't got a clue about English football and paid extortionate fee,s for them But we nearly did bounce back didn't we.. How can jon moss sleep at night That would be xenophobic not racist. Its a valid point though..not so much that they were foreign, but I think the fact we signed so many very young players from abroad ,made the gamble that bit worse. Youre not only hoping the lad can adapt to the step up in quality the PL is, but also the pace and ferocity of English football AND that they will cope with moving away from friends and family when maybe their English isnt even that great. We took a lot of expensive gambles and literally every one of them failed. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 16, 2024 14:38:31 GMT 1
The Amex cost £93 million to build. Brighton are successful due to having a very wealthy owner who is prepared to lose money bankrolling his boyhood club (yes those do exist). They also run the club extremely well in all areas. You can't "do a Brighton" without both of those things sadly, although your benefactor doesn't necessarily need to be a boyhood fan. Lots of people fail to realise you can't be successful in the PL without losing tens of millions, probably hundreds and be prepared to accept that. Hopefully Kevin isn't one of them! I have no insider knowledge but my feeling is that if we did make it back to the greedy league we would be sold or additional investors would be sought. |
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Post by goodbet on Oct 16, 2024 14:50:07 GMT 1
And without being racist We signed too many foreigners who hadn't got a clue about English football and paid extortionate fee,s for them But we nearly did bounce back didn't we.. How can jon moss sleep at night In some ways not going back up to the Premier League could have been a good thing. As a team we were miles behind the previous team we went up with and our owner appeared to have lost his interest in the club. We probably would have come straight back down with a record low point tally. On the other side of the coin DH could have got his money back and we could have stopped running the first team down and been a much better prospect for someone to buy us with a real investment strategy for the first team. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Oct 16, 2024 14:52:29 GMT 1
And without being racist We signed too many foreigners who hadn't got a clue about English football and paid extortionate fee,s for them But we nearly did bounce back didn't we.. How can jon moss sleep at night Agree with that. But by the same token we probably wouldn't have got promoted if it weren't for the German cohort that came in before the premier league signings. It was a proper breath of fresh air 'no limits' mentality. Whereby everyone involved in English football probably thought we were doing about as well as we could finishing between 21st -15th in the Championship. We needed the foreigners to come in with little knowledge of Town, second tier English football and mix up the status quo and deploy a new tactic and style that our league hadn't really seen before. We were a little bit ahead of the game in that respect. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Oct 16, 2024 17:18:25 GMT 1
Think Hoyle was financially out of his league a bit when we unexpectedly went up in 2017. But by 2018 we'd survived the first season, we'd fended off the interest in Wagner from various places and we invested heavily to try and make that step up from surviving by the skin of our teeth to establishing ourselves. End of the day it's football and its all about the decisions you make... how you spend that money. We made very very bad choices and Brighton made very good ones. When you say Brighton made good ones, do you mean that they were able to work within the confines of a ridiculously large budget? (compared to Town) I wonder how many Managers who get their club promoted to the greedy league actually survive for longer than a further 18 months? The ownership of clubs nowadays feels like a pissing contest of very wealthy individuals. I’m not sure there are many ‘industries’ where you get an owner who appears as though it’s a vanity contest for them. I’m not putting all owners in that bracket of course, but it seems like there are a few who are prepared to simply gamble a fortune (that they can presumably write off) to try and secure a spot in that small number of clubs who have managed to globalise their club and will earn a lot of money from outside the UK. |
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Post by royrace on Oct 16, 2024 19:59:54 GMT 1
And without being racist We signed too many foreigners who hadn't got a clue about English football and paid extortionate fee,s for them But we nearly did bounce back didn't we.. How can jon moss sleep at night That would be xenophobic not racist. Its a valid point though..not so much that they were foreign, but I think the fact we signed so many very young players from abroad ,made the gamble that bit worse. Youre not only hoping the lad can adapt to the step up in quality the PL is, but also the pace and ferocity of English football AND that they will cope with moving away from friends and family when maybe their English isnt even that great. We took a lot of expensive gambles and literally every one of them failed. It was an utter shambles I'm afraid, crystal clear almost every signing was a bad one. It was obvious based on a quick desk top study before seeing any play. Utterly baffling what they did it really was. Ultimately I think the strategy was skewed by attempting to do it on the cheap. You may remember a significant sum was set aside for the training ground improvements which then quickly disappeared the following season. Got caught in no mans land really between not wanting to invest sufficiently but feeling under pressure to do something. I honestly don't think they could have signed a bigger pile of shit. Probably the worst window of any PL club when you consider the fact they weren't even good enough for the league below. In any other industry there'd be very serious questions to answer over such deals. Contrast with the likes of Leeds who whilst got lumbered with some expensive and unhappy players, they were quickly able to move them on. Had they followed our lead and brought in sub standard players, they'd be in deep shit by now. |
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Post by Dan on Oct 23, 2024 22:17:16 GMT 1
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 23, 2024 23:17:48 GMT 1
Was another great listen. Again, certain fans being absolute wankers on social media coming to the fore. The same ones who stay quiet after a victory that give shit after a defeat. Whinging like fuck that they have been through lots being a town fan over the years, woe is me. So have we all!! Get a grip and stop hounding the MGMT with your negative shit. They talk great and I believe in them, if that offends the neigh sayers then fuck em |
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Post by andre2000 on Oct 23, 2024 23:55:09 GMT 1
Knocked it out of the park, but Dave your not going to get a Marston's sitting in the hotel in L**ds. If the boss suggests going to Da Sandro's, remind him he keeps taking the 1st team and they then go on a loosing streak. Food choices very important for pre-match rituals. |
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Post by boooothy on Oct 24, 2024 0:09:32 GMT 1
I like these 2, top job Dave.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Oct 24, 2024 6:30:41 GMT 1
That comprehensive vetting process really showed through with the signing of Ladapo.
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Post by htfcterry on Oct 24, 2024 7:16:23 GMT 1
Couple of interesting points on that diary.. I'll skip the Mark Cartwright stuff because he's a football recruiting genius..
Season Cards - the 4300 missing every week, has to be expected when they are so cheap. The club will feel like they can't win with this because on one hand you've people who will moan at a price increase and you've also got the empty seats on the other. If season cards are more expensive that 4300 number becomes a lower number but you'd still have an empty seat but no revenue on it. Recent history experience says that only success on the pitch will fill those seats. For a fan, when they are the price they are, you might aswell buy one if you can only attend even half the games.
Atmosphere - very similar, an atmosphere is also dependent on the game. Goal music and clappers aren't for me personally but I imagine kids will love it. I think it's also worth remembering we're now in a much lower division after recent successes, so a home win is expected in probably 22/23 games. The atmosphere will get better once we start getting to the business end of the season or if we're up near the top 2 positions.
Good diary though.
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Post by workshyfop on Oct 24, 2024 7:54:50 GMT 1
As always, they come across as likeable chaps. I’m still not sure they quite get it though. The recruitment has been awful and that is Cartwright’s job. It’s why we’ve been relegated and still don’t have a decent striker.
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Post by eddieyoudsscarf on Oct 24, 2024 8:18:10 GMT 1
Good diary and H Town sounds interesting
Don’t understand the Marstons obsession though…. Its just cheap greasy and is a one way trip to indigestion
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Post by mosher on Oct 24, 2024 8:43:03 GMT 1
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Post by SacTown on Oct 24, 2024 8:43:49 GMT 1
Comedy duo, enjoyable watch, but spoke alot without actually saying very much enlightening.
The backing of Cartwright is embarassing though. Give us more credit, the guy is not, and will never be a high performing DOF. He's hanging onto his job by the skin of his teeth and you both know it.
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Post by mosher on Oct 24, 2024 8:45:52 GMT 1
Good diary and H Town sounds interesting Don’t understand the Marstons obsession though…. Its just cheap greasy and is a one way trip to indigestion You must have gone there on a bad day or something. Never had a bad one yet and I used to go at least once a week when I lived in Fartown. |
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Post by ebargum on Oct 24, 2024 8:55:44 GMT 1
Good diary and H Town sounds interesting Don’t understand the Marstons obsession though…. Its just cheap greasy and is a one way trip to indigestion You must have gone there on a bad day or something. Never had a bad one yet and I used to go at least once a week when I lived in Fartown. I've never had a cheap or greasy one! I've had a couple a month for many a year. |
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 24, 2024 9:05:19 GMT 1
Good diary and H Town sounds interesting Don’t understand the Marstons obsession though…. Its just cheap greasy and is a one way trip to indigestion You must have gone there on a bad day or something. Never had a bad one yet and I used to go at least once a week when I lived in Fartown. Best wings in the country bar none and I agree, never greasy and always delightful |
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Post by kwami-hodouto on Oct 24, 2024 9:07:38 GMT 1
I'm not sure I can believe we have the lowest revenue in league one. Lower than Crawley or Burton?
I can only imagine he is thinking of last season in the Championship where I can see that would be possible.
I do think it is great that club are working on expanding the club's revenue streams though. It is probably something that has been needed for years and neglected somewhat, especially with all the talk in the past about being self-sufficient.
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Post by rockwall on Oct 24, 2024 9:11:45 GMT 1
I'm not sure I can believe we have the lowest revenue in league one. Lower than Crawley or Burton? I can only imagine he is thinking of last season in the Championship where I can see that would be possible. I do think it is great that club are working on expanding the club's revenue streams though. It is probably something that has been needed for years and neglected somewhat, especially with all the talk in the past about being self-sufficient. To be fair, lowest percentage of revenue would make sense. Ground with around 10k empty seats most games. Matchday income - most goes to council. Include all staffing etc. Smaller clubs like Crawley probably sell out every home game, hence making more revenue and they will spend less on their staffing, policing etc. I could be wrong, just my thoughts. |
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Post by SacTown on Oct 24, 2024 9:47:13 GMT 1
I'm not sure I can believe we have the lowest revenue in league one. Lower than Crawley or Burton? I can only imagine he is thinking of last season in the Championship where I can see that would be possible. I do think it is great that club are working on expanding the club's revenue streams though. It is probably something that has been needed for years and neglected somewhat, especially with all the talk in the past about being self-sufficient. Less than Rov and Plymouth (just off the top of my head) ? No chance. |
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Post by DuffMan on Oct 24, 2024 9:47:20 GMT 1
As others have stated they are likeable and I want them to succeed. However the backing of Cartwright and the reasons given rings the alarm bells, the recruitment has been awful for the past 18 months and they can't spin it any other way. We won't move forwards until they begin to get it right in that department.
They will keep ending up with egg on their face as town fans who have seen it all before have realised where the issue is and they are delaying the inevitable with a bit of smugness around "We see what Mark does behind the scenes", "Data blah blah"
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Post by runner76 on Oct 24, 2024 9:48:43 GMT 1
I'm not sure I can believe we have the lowest revenue in league one. Lower than Crawley or Burton? I can only imagine he is thinking of last season in the Championship where I can see that would be possible. I do think it is great that club are working on expanding the club's revenue streams though. It is probably something that has been needed for years and neglected somewhat, especially with all the talk in the past about being self-sufficient. Think he was referring to last season….. |
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Post by crux on Oct 24, 2024 9:54:12 GMT 1
No watched it yet, will do later today.
However, on Cartwright, unless absolutely nothing is said about him, then the only option is to give him full backing in public...... right up to the point you sack him 😗😉
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Post by Sparrow on Oct 24, 2024 10:23:33 GMT 1
No watched it yet, will do later today. However, on Cartwright, unless absolutely nothing is said about him, then the only option is to give him full backing in public...... right up to the point you sack him 😗😉 Agreed, they either have to say nothing or back him publicly. Having backed him publicly in previous diaries and knowing that he is still a topic of discussion & frustration amongst fans, if they say nothing, then people would pick up on that. So they have to back him publicly as he's certainly here through the January window. |
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